The Daring Dufas on Thu, 01 Aug
2013 06:19:13 -0500 typed in alt.survival the following:
On 8/1/2013 1:54 AM, pyotr filipivich wrote:
rbowman on Wed, 31 Jul 2013 23:00:44 -0600 typed
in alt.survival the following:
pyotr filipivich wrote:

At which point, you do want someone who understands the theory of
the subject. As well as how to write tight code which compiles first
time, sans bugs.

Why don't you throw in the Fountain of Youth too?

Naw, just someone who doesn't understand this thing called "Life".


They've probably experienced a BORING life which is why they don't grok
how interesting life can be. ^_^

You might consider it boring. They don't. I didn't.

TDD
--
pyotr filipivich.
Just about the time you finally see light at the end of the tunnel,
you find out it's a Government Project to build more tunnel.

"Stormin Mormon" wrote in message

Sigh. I guess you havn't read the earlier messages?

Yeah, I've read them. Apparently you haven't. Or - if you have - you
haven't bothered to implement them.


On 8/1/2013 9:37 AM, dadiOH wrote:
"Stormin Mormon" wrote in
message
1) can't figure out the message rules for Usenet in
Thunderchicken. Just barely figuring out how to do a
few things. 2) can't delete usenet messages in
Thunderchicken. 3) can't read all my email accounts
into one folder for Thunderchicken. Each email adress
goes to a separate folder. 4) Can't read email
properties in TC, like I did in OE.

So dump it and use OE



--

dadiOH
____________________________

Winters getting colder? Tired of the rat race?
Taxes out of hand? Maybe just ready for a change?
Check it out... http://www.floridaloghouse.net

On Thu, 01 Aug 2013 06:40:35 -0500, The Daring Dufas
wrote:

I once used Norton Ghost B.S., "Before Symantec" to preserve a lot of
systems but now have many other options with the commercial software
I've legally obtained free from Giveaway of the Day. AOMEI, Ashampoo,
EaseUS, Recovery Mechanic, Lazesoft, MunSoft, Ocster, Paragon and many
more. The site gives away a different paid software application or
suites every day and the apps are from different developers. I've had a
lot of fun getting very useful software from them that I can't afford to
buy. ^_^

Giveaway of the Day
http://www.giveawayoftheday.com/

My only problem with them is that the download period is only one day.
I don't always have on-demand access to broadband. And you have to
install it within some short period. I discovered that when I got some
apps but waited until I had free play time to install them. I suppose
they can be cracked, but I've never got around to trying.

On 8/1/2013 4:48 PM, Winston_Smith wrote:
On Thu, 01 Aug 2013 06:40:35 -0500, The Daring Dufas
wrote:

I once used Norton Ghost B.S., "Before Symantec" to preserve a lot of
systems but now have many other options with the commercial software
I've legally obtained free from Giveaway of the Day. AOMEI, Ashampoo,
EaseUS, Recovery Mechanic, Lazesoft, MunSoft, Ocster, Paragon and many
more. The site gives away a different paid software application or
suites every day and the apps are from different developers. I've had a
lot of fun getting very useful software from them that I can't afford to
buy. ^_^

Giveaway of the Day
http://www.giveawayoftheday.com/

My only problem with them is that the download period is only one day.
I don't always have on-demand access to broadband. And you have to
install it within some short period. I discovered that when I got some
apps but waited until I had free play time to install them. I suppose
they can be cracked, but I've never got around to trying.


I have a 12/1.5mb cable Internet service and I may kick it up higher. I
do a lot of VoIP and watch a lot of streaming videos. I also upload a
lot of documents and pictures of the work me and JH do for several
national service organizations that use independent contractors. Of
course there are the software apps I play with and torrent downloads are
lightning fast on my system. I downloaded an ISO image of 600+mb
in under 4 minutes via the BitLord torrent software. Oh my God, I do
recall the unbelievably long download times on dial-up back in the 90's. ^_^

TDD

I'm on dial-up, and my download speed typically hovers between 2 and 4 kilobytes per second. But, my download manager (Orbit) allows me to set my computer to close the download program, disconnect the phone line from my ISP and shut off the computer when it finishes downloading. That way, I just shut off the monitor and let the computer download all night long, and by morning I have my 80 MB download file.

I also have a laptop with a WIFI card so I can go to any McDonald's to get high speed internet. I can download files there 30 to 50 times as fast as I can at home. All McDonald's restaurants in Canada now offer free WIFI; I don't know about the US. So, if I need to download a big file, I just go to my local McDonald's, download it onto my laptop, put it on a memory stick and load it onto my desktop when I get home. Living with dial-up isn't all that bad when you can access high speed internet whenever you want.

On Thu, 1 Aug 2013 09:37:14 -0400, "dadiOH"
wrote:

"Stormin Mormon" wrote in message

1) can't figure out the message rules for Usenet in
Thunderchicken. Just barely figuring out how to do a few
things. 2) can't delete usenet messages in Thunderchicken.
3) can't read all my email accounts into one folder for
Thunderchicken. Each email adress goes to a separate
folder. 4) Can't read email properties in TC, like I did
in OE.

So dump it and use OE

Or the copy of Agent I sent to him. Which is far far better than OE


--
""Almost all liberal behavioral tropes track the impotent rage of small
children. Thus, for example, there is also the popular tactic of
repeating some stupid, meaningless phrase a billion times" Arms for
hostages, arms for hostages, arms for hostages, it's just about sex, just
about sex, just about sex, dumb,dumb, money in politics,money in
politics, Enron, Enron, Enron. Nothing repeated with mind-numbing
frequency in all major news outlets will not be believed by some members
of the populace. It is the permanence of evil; you can't stop it." (Ann
Coulter)

On Sat, 03 Aug 2013 15:41:35 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:



Or the copy of Agent I sent to him. Which is far far better than OE

I started using Agent when I got W7 and could not longer use OE. It
works OK, gets the job done.

Recently though, someone (sorry, I forget who) mentioned Mozzilla
Thunderbird Portable in this thread. I put it on a thumb drive and
I'm really liking it. I use it on my netbook and my computer at work.
I like the idea of portability as I can use it on any computer with a
USB port and it keeps the threads up to date.

On 8/3/2013 6:41 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Thu, 1 Aug 2013 09:37:14 -0400, "dadiOH"
wrote:

"Stormin Mormon" wrote in message

1) can't figure out the message rules for Usenet in
Thunderchicken. Just barely figuring out how to do a few
things. 2) can't delete usenet messages in Thunderchicken.
3) can't read all my email accounts into one folder for
Thunderchicken. Each email adress goes to a separate
folder. 4) Can't read email properties in TC, like I did
in OE.

So dump it and use OE

Or the copy of Agent I sent to him. Which is far far better than OE


--
""Almost all liberal behavioral tropes track the impotent rage of small
children. Thus, for example, there is also the popular tactic of
repeating some stupid, meaningless phrase a billion times" Arms for
hostages, arms for hostages, arms for hostages, it's just about sex, just
about sex, just about sex, dumb,dumb, money in politics,money in
politics, Enron, Enron, Enron. Nothing repeated with mind-numbing
frequency in all major news outlets will not be believed by some members
of the populace. It is the permanence of evil; you can't stop it." (Ann
Coulter)


Or MicroPlanet's Gravity Newsreader: http://mpgravity.sourceforge.net/
Or SeaMonkey: http://www.seamonkey-project.org/
Or Pan newsreader: http://pan.rebelbase.com/
Or XanaNews: http://xananews.en.softonic.com/

...all of which are free and pretty good. But some throwbacks seem
stuck on Outhouse Express still...
--
MFB

I may grow old, but I refuse to grow up. I also still send letters via
US mail, now and again. Some hand written. Greeting cards, and such,
too. I happen to like my Outhouse Distress email and usenet reader.

..
Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
www.lds.org
..

On 8/4/2013 2:44 AM, Flint wrote:

..all of which are free and pretty good. But some throwbacks seem
stuck on Outhouse Express still...

On Sat, 03 Aug 2013 23:56:24 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On Sat, 03 Aug 2013 15:41:35 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:



Or the copy of Agent I sent to him. Which is far far better than OE

I started using Agent when I got W7 and could not longer use OE. It
works OK, gets the job done.

Recently though, someone (sorry, I forget who) mentioned Mozzilla
Thunderbird Portable in this thread. I put it on a thumb drive and
I'm really liking it. I use it on my netbook and my computer at work.
I like the idea of portability as I can use it on any computer with a
USB port and it keeps the threads up to date.

Ill check it out! Thanks!

--
""Almost all liberal behavioral tropes track the impotent rage of small
children. Thus, for example, there is also the popular tactic of
repeating some stupid, meaningless phrase a billion times" Arms for
hostages, arms for hostages, arms for hostages, it's just about sex, just
about sex, just about sex, dumb,dumb, money in politics,money in
politics, Enron, Enron, Enron. Nothing repeated with mind-numbing
frequency in all major news outlets will not be believed by some members
of the populace. It is the permanence of evil; you can't stop it." (Ann
Coulter)

On 8/4/2013 7:15 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
I may grow old, but I refuse to grow up. I also still send letters via
US mail, now and again. Some hand written. Greeting cards, and such,
too. I happen to like my Outhouse Distress email and usenet reader.

.
Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
www.lds.org
.

On 8/4/2013 2:44 AM, Flint wrote:

..all of which are free and pretty good. But some throwbacks seem
stuck on Outhouse Express still...

That's fine and all. I have some older version software I like to
hang onto as well, but then I generally don't have conflicts running
them on XP, either. If I did, either XP or the software has to go.
Generally it's easier for the latter to go. But then why aren't you
on at least Win 7? I mean XP is only THREE OS versions behind
w/Micro$not dropping support for it next year.

I still use XP on several systems and will continue to do so, but from
here on out, I only use XP on POS systems I sell/set up as they're
operated as 'closed' systems only, with internet access extremely
limited/locked down, so there is no need to keep them in a perpetual
'OS upgrade loop'.

--
MFB

On Sun, 04 Aug 2013 12:19:53 -0400, Flint
wrote:

On 8/4/2013 7:15 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
I may grow old, but I refuse to grow up. I also still send letters via
US mail, now and again. Some hand written. Greeting cards, and such,
too. I happen to like my Outhouse Distress email and usenet reader.

.
Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
www.lds.org
.

On 8/4/2013 2:44 AM, Flint wrote:

..all of which are free and pretty good. But some throwbacks seem
stuck on Outhouse Express still...

That's fine and all. I have some older version software I like to
hang onto as well, but then I generally don't have conflicts running
them on XP, either. If I did, either XP or the software has to go.
Generally it's easier for the latter to go. But then why aren't you
on at least Win 7? I mean XP is only THREE OS versions behind
w/Micro$not dropping support for it next year.

I still use XP on several systems and will continue to do so, but from
here on out, I only use XP on POS systems I sell/set up as they're
operated as 'closed' systems only, with internet access extremely
limited/locked down, so there is no need to keep them in a perpetual
'OS upgrade loop'.

I use XP or Linux and dont have a machine running on anything else in
the house, nor is it on my agenda.


--
""Almost all liberal behavioral tropes track the impotent rage of small
children. Thus, for example, there is also the popular tactic of
repeating some stupid, meaningless phrase a billion times" Arms for
hostages, arms for hostages, arms for hostages, it's just about sex, just
about sex, just about sex, dumb,dumb, money in politics,money in
politics, Enron, Enron, Enron. Nothing repeated with mind-numbing
frequency in all major news outlets will not be believed by some members
of the populace. It is the permanence of evil; you can't stop it." (Ann
Coulter)

"Gunner Asch" wrote in message
...
..all of which are free and pretty good. But some throwbacks seem
stuck on Outhouse Express still...

That's fine and all. I have some older version software I like to
hang onto as well, but then I generally don't have conflicts running
them on XP, either. If I did, either XP or the software has to go.
Generally it's easier for the latter to go. But then why aren't you
on at least Win 7? I mean XP is only THREE OS versions behind
w/Micro$not dropping support for it next year.

I still use XP on several systems and will continue to do so, but from
here on out, I only use XP on POS systems I sell/set up as they're
operated as 'closed' systems only, with internet access extremely
limited/locked down, so there is no need to keep them in a perpetual
'OS upgrade loop'.

I use XP or Linux and dont have a machine running on anything else in
the house, nor is it on my agenda.


All I plan on running is XP except for a couple of older laptops that have
win 98 on them. I need that so I can boot to dos from time to time to run
some programs that set up other equipment. The softwear will either not run
on XP or the other machines are too fast for the softwear.
I am also stuck on OE as it meets my needs.

I don't do anything that the other operating sustems will do for me. As
long as the operating system will load in the programs I run, that is all I
need.

On Wed, 31 Jul 2013 19:21:21 -0600, rbowman wrote:
Stormin Mormon wrote:

How about college of student loan defaults? Teach your students how to
attract large sums of college loan monies, which never get paid back?


You've got a better chance to default on the second coming. Banks give up,
credit card companies give up, student load holders will screw with you
until the day you die.

NPR did a report on this. It included a guy in his 70s that is now
retired on just SS and still owes some ungodly amount of money. Death
may be a way out, but that's not certain.

They also reported 3 out of 4 people in jobs like server or bouncer or
street entertainer have college degrees they have NEVER used. Not for
lack of wanting too. Not for lack of high grades from respected
schools. There just are no jobs and the few there are pay too little
to live on. Street entertainer at least produces enough income to live
on.

And now the plan is to import more immigrants to do the jobs that
employers CLAIM they can't find qualified Americans for. That will
cover having cheap labor for the few jobs they can't export. No
American employed seems to be the goal of everyone that writes
paychecks.

Winston_Smith wrote:

They also reported 3 out of 4 people in jobs like server or bouncer or
street entertainer have college degrees they have NEVER used. Not for
lack of wanting too. Not for lack of high grades from respected
schools. There just are no jobs and the few there are pay too little
to live on. Street entertainer at least produces enough income to live
on.

This town was full of them even before the present mess. They come to UM,
fall in love with the lifestyle, and don't leave. A few will go to Seattle
or someplace but many trickle back. Even those who get a job in their field
could do better in the big city. It makes for well educated REI clerks. It's
sometimes referred to as the 'mountain tax' -- the money you won't make
because you prefer to have a mountain in the back yard instead of the local
chapter of the Crips.

On Fri, 09 Aug 2013 17:18:46 -0700, Winston_Smith
wrote:




NPR did a report on this. It included a guy in his 70s that is now
retired on just SS and still owes some ungodly amount of money. Death
may be a way out, but that's not certain.

I've read about a lot of people in their 60's+ losing their homes due
to mortgage foreclosure. I don't know their circumstances, but you'd
think they would have the mortgage paid by that time. If over 62 they
should have enough equity to get a reverse mortgage and at least stop
the payments. Maybe they had financial troubles in their 50's and
have not recovered yet or they just did not plan for the future.



They also reported 3 out of 4 people in jobs like server or bouncer or
street entertainer have college degrees they have NEVER used. Not for
lack of wanting too. Not for lack of high grades from respected
schools. There just are no jobs and the few there are pay too little
to live on. Street entertainer at least produces enough income to live
on.


What sort of degree? I know a few people like that. If you major in
12th century Latvian art, chances are you won't find a job to use the
degree. Accountants and engineers seem to fare better.

I had a guy working in the shipping department loading trucks. He had
a degree in Journalism but, IMO, could not write for crap and would
never make it as a news reporter or TV anchor and no ability to write
a technical manual. I had a minimum wage packer that wanted to write
poetry. I did not see any ads in the Help Wanted for poets this week.
I also know a high school grad with a lot of common sense that is
making $45+ an hour for an environmental cleanup company. He gets his
work shoes dirty though.

On 8/9/2013 11:51 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On Fri, 09 Aug 2013 17:18:46 -0700, Winston_Smith
wrote:




NPR did a report on this. It included a guy in his 70s that is now
retired on just SS and still owes some ungodly amount of money. Death
may be a way out, but that's not certain.

I've read about a lot of people in their 60's+ losing their homes due
to mortgage foreclosure. I don't know their circumstances, but you'd
think they would have the mortgage paid by that time. If over 62 they
should have enough equity to get a reverse mortgage and at least stop
the payments. Maybe they had financial troubles in their 50's and
have not recovered yet or they just did not plan for the future.



They also reported 3 out of 4 people in jobs like server or bouncer or
street entertainer have college degrees they have NEVER used. Not for
lack of wanting too. Not for lack of high grades from respected
schools. There just are no jobs and the few there are pay too little
to live on. Street entertainer at least produces enough income to live
on.


What sort of degree? I know a few people like that. If you major in
12th century Latvian art, chances are you won't find a job to use the
degree. Accountants and engineers seem to fare better.

I had a guy working in the shipping department loading trucks. He had
a degree in Journalism but, IMO, could not write for crap and would
never make it as a news reporter or TV anchor and no ability to write
a technical manual. I had a minimum wage packer that wanted to write
poetry. I did not see any ads in the Help Wanted for poets this week.
I also know a high school grad with a lot of common sense that is
making $45+ an hour for an environmental cleanup company. He gets his
work shoes dirty though.


People wonder why plumbers get paid so much money. Well, if you had to
take crap off everybody, you'd want a lot of money too. ^_^

TDD

On Sat, 10 Aug 2013 00:01:06 -0500, The Daring Dufas
wrote:




People wonder why plumbers get paid so much money. Well, if you had to
take crap off everybody, you'd want a lot of money too. ^_^

TDD

People love to complain about others making a decent living. Plumbers
get paid because they have skills most people don't have. Don't want
to pay? Learn to do it yourself.

People constantly criticize Microsoft. Evidently they know how to
write programs better and cheaper, but I've yet to see one do it.

I'm guessing that California's answer to business
flight is to pass laws, making it illegal to flee?

NYS is over regulated. I've had people invite me to
other states, and I may do that some day.

..
Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
www.lds.org
..

On 8/10/2013 8:15 AM, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Sat, 10 Aug 2013 08:04:06 -0400, Stormin Mormon
wrote:

Actually, the unemployment crisis is in large part due to government
over regulation. Trust NPR to blame the corporations for the problems
caused by government.


This is the reason business is fleeing California. Way way too much
regulation...and companies are leaving by the droves.

On 8/10/2013 7:06 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On Sat, 10 Aug 2013 00:01:06 -0500, The Daring Dufas
wrote:




People wonder why plumbers get paid so much money. Well, if you had to
take crap off everybody, you'd want a lot of money too. ^_^

TDD

People love to complain about others making a decent living. Plumbers
get paid because they have skills most people don't have. Don't want
to pay? Learn to do it yourself.

People constantly criticize Microsoft. Evidently they know how to
write programs better and cheaper, but I've yet to see one do it.


You got it Ed, I knew you were smarter than you looked, looks can be
deceiving. A few years back when I had a few more pounds on me and a
beard that could double as a dust mop, some kid told me I looked like
Jerry Garcia. I replied, "Thanks kid, it's nice to know someone thinks I
look like a rotting corpse." ^_^

TDD

I've also heard that TX is business friendly. Wish I could move there,
but I'm stuck in NYS for a while.

..
Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
www.lds.org
..

On 8/10/2013 10:07 AM, The Daring Dufas wrote:
This is the reason business is fleeing California. Way way too much
regulation...and companies are leaving by the droves.


Most of those Western companies are moving to Texas, aren't they? I
haven't researched it but I seem to recall in everything I've read that
Texas is actually welcoming business and not trying to suck (no pun) the
life out of them.

I've been around for a few years and I've noticed that all of those of a
Liberal ilk are jealous of success and want more than anything else,
to punish the high achievers, unless of course those high achievers are
helping the P.L.L.C.F. promote their agenda. ^_^

TDD

Stormin Mormon wrote:

I've also heard that TX is business friendly. Wish I could move there,
but I'm stuck in NYS for a while.

Check it out well first. A lot of it is like Kansas with a better PR firm.
The more scenic parts tend to be long on scenery, short on business
opportunities. Then there's Austin...

What's your breaking point? When will you decide to pull stakes and
depart? Have you considered the question?

I'm in NYS until my parents make the great divide. Won't be long.

..
Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
www.lds.org
..

On 8/10/2013 4:21 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:

Ive lost clients to Texas, South Carolina, South Dakota ...all in the
last 3 yrs. Or they closed their doors and simply quit, many
retireing to Idaho or other Free states.

The majority of those fleeing at this point..have gone to Texas...7 of
them so far.

On Sat, 10 Aug 2013 18:11:27 -0400, Stormin Mormon
wrote:

What's your breaking point? When will you decide to pull stakes and
depart? Have you considered the question?

I'm in NYS until my parents make the great divide. Won't be long.

You almost seem to be relishing the event.

On Sat, 10 Aug 2013 19:17:34 -0400, Stormin Mormon wrote:

Blames Bush. Blames Reagan. Condescending. Insulting.

I note you offer no fact or argument to support your claim. Just your
bald statement, with an implied "trust me".

Actually I spoke well of Reagan. I said he did what he had to do given
what he inherited and that he succeeded in what he did. Only in your
world is that blame.

Do you support Bush in the light of two worthless wars and collapsing
the economy? Speak up and give us a direct answer.

Liberal?

Well, if you liked Bush's fiscal management, yes you are a liberal. At
least a fiscal liberal. On the social side, you are a racist
reactionary.

On 8/10/2013 5:39 PM, Winston_Smith wrote:
On Sat, 10 Aug 2013 18:11:27 -0400, Stormin Mormon
wrote:

What's your breaking point? When will you decide to pull stakes and
depart? Have you considered the question?

I'm in NYS until my parents make the great divide. Won't be long.

You almost seem to be relishing the event.


That's a little mean, even if it's meant to be a bit funny. O_o

TDD

pyotr filipivich wrote:

Strange. There seem to be a lot of "Libertarians" who seem to
believe otherwise. Or at least seem to believe that if they could
only get their guy elected President - He could fix everything. By
Executive Order if necessary, apparently.


LP members specialize in believing at least three impossible things before
breakfast. Do you thing the Democrats and Republicans are any different? Do
you think a Republican president in 2016 will fix anything? Do you think the
Tea Party contingent, most of whom don't really know the history of their
beloved Constitution, would fix anything if they came to power? Have those
dirty, commie progressives accomplished much?

I've watched too many swings of the pendulum. One of the better professors
in one of my college physics classes was into interesting demonstrations.
For one he constructed a pendulum from a bowling ball suspended from about a
20' wire attached to an eye in the ceiling of the lecture hall. He held the
ball firmly against his chin, let it go, and stood immobile. Of course, the
ball did not knock him on his ass on its return, much to the disappointment
of the class. A pendulum only swings back and forth within defined
constraints and left to its own devices will eventually stop at its
equilibrium point.

Conservatives would like to reach out, grab the ball, and hold it stationary
but it always slips out of their fingers. Progressives would like to speed
the pendulum up but their random pushes never in crease the amplitude to get
it beyond the range of isochronism.

The Daring Dufas wrote:

So basically we must agree that all those SOBs and DOBs are at fault.
Perhaps I'll have to come up with a more Politically Correct term for
them..... MIP's, Morally Impaired Persons? O_o

Running for political office is often the first sign of a personality
disorder. Not counting the goblins lurking in the shadows, a country of over
300 million is run by 540 people. Somehow, I think the will of the people
comes off second best in a game with no second place winner.

If you read the early history of the US, quite a few people were concerned
with the scalability of the system they had constructed.

On Sun, 11 Aug 2013 11:07:30 -0600, rbowman
wrote:

pyotr filipivich wrote:

Strange. There seem to be a lot of "Libertarians" who seem to
believe otherwise. Or at least seem to believe that if they could
only get their guy elected President - He could fix everything. By
Executive Order if necessary, apparently.


LP members specialize in believing at least three impossible things before
breakfast. Do you thing the Democrats and Republicans are any different? Do
you think a Republican president in 2016 will fix anything? Do you think the
Tea Party contingent, most of whom don't really know the history of their
beloved Constitution, would fix anything if they came to power? Have those
dirty, commie progressives accomplished much?

I've watched too many swings of the pendulum. One of the better professors
in one of my college physics classes was into interesting demonstrations.
For one he constructed a pendulum from a bowling ball suspended from about a
20' wire attached to an eye in the ceiling of the lecture hall. He held the
ball firmly against his chin, let it go, and stood immobile. Of course, the
ball did not knock him on his ass on its return, much to the disappointment
of the class. A pendulum only swings back and forth within defined
constraints and left to its own devices will eventually stop at its
equilibrium point.

Conservatives would like to reach out, grab the ball, and hold it stationary
but it always slips out of their fingers. Progressives would like to speed
the pendulum up but their random pushes never in crease the amplitude to get
it beyond the range of isochronism.


and you seem to not understand the difference between small (L)
libertarians and those that belong to the Libertarian Party.

The difference is rather vast..and is almost as wide as the difference
between the Left and the Right.


--
""Almost all liberal behavioral tropes track the impotent rage of small
children. Thus, for example, there is also the popular tactic of
repeating some stupid, meaningless phrase a billion times" Arms for
hostages, arms for hostages, arms for hostages, it's just about sex, just
about sex, just about sex, dumb,dumb, money in politics,money in
politics, Enron, Enron, Enron. Nothing repeated with mind-numbing
frequency in all major news outlets will not be believed by some members
of the populace. It is the permanence of evil; you can't stop it." (Ann
Coulter)

On 8/11/2013 12:13 PM, rbowman wrote:
The Daring Dufas wrote:

So basically we must agree that all those SOBs and DOBs are at fault.
Perhaps I'll have to come up with a more Politically Correct term for
them..... MIP's, Morally Impaired Persons? O_o

Running for political office is often the first sign of a personality
disorder. Not counting the goblins lurking in the shadows, a country of over
300 million is run by 540 people. Somehow, I think the will of the people
comes off second best in a game with no second place winner.

If you read the early history of the US, quite a few people were concerned
with the scalability of the system they had constructed.


That's why the founders were against a powerful central government
because they were well aware of the dangers posed to freedom and liberty
by such a government. The only way The United States will
survive is if it goes back to being The United States which will require
gelding the central government now ruling from Washington D.C.
One of the big mistakes made was the change of having Senators elected
instead of being appointed by the state legislatures because of The
Seventeenth Amendment. The founders were a lot smarter than those in
Washington D.C. these days. O_o

TDD

On 8/11/2013 12:23 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Sun, 11 Aug 2013 11:07:30 -0600, rbowman
wrote:

pyotr filipivich wrote:

Strange. There seem to be a lot of "Libertarians" who seem to
believe otherwise. Or at least seem to believe that if they could
only get their guy elected President - He could fix everything. By
Executive Order if necessary, apparently.


LP members specialize in believing at least three impossible things before
breakfast. Do you thing the Democrats and Republicans are any different? Do
you think a Republican president in 2016 will fix anything? Do you think the
Tea Party contingent, most of whom don't really know the history of their
beloved Constitution, would fix anything if they came to power? Have those
dirty, commie progressives accomplished much?

I've watched too many swings of the pendulum. One of the better professors
in one of my college physics classes was into interesting demonstrations.
For one he constructed a pendulum from a bowling ball suspended from about a
20' wire attached to an eye in the ceiling of the lecture hall. He held the
ball firmly against his chin, let it go, and stood immobile. Of course, the
ball did not knock him on his ass on its return, much to the disappointment
of the class. A pendulum only swings back and forth within defined
constraints and left to its own devices will eventually stop at its
equilibrium point.

Conservatives would like to reach out, grab the ball, and hold it stationary
but it always slips out of their fingers. Progressives would like to speed
the pendulum up but their random pushes never in crease the amplitude to get
it beyond the range of isochronism.


and you seem to not understand the difference between small (L)
libertarians and those that belong to the Libertarian Party.

The difference is rather vast..and is almost as wide as the difference
between the Left and the Right.
--

I suppose Libertarians with a small "l" are the true individuals who
believe in freedom and liberty so much that they don't want to belong to
any group because a big organized group will always *******ize the
ideals that caused the formation of said group. Being free is hard. ^_^

TDD

On Sat, 10 Aug 2013 23:22:59 -0500, The Daring Dufaswrote:
On 8/10/2013 5:39 PM, Winston_Smith wrote:
On Sat, 10 Aug 2013 18:11:27 -0400, Stormin Mormon wrote:

What's your breaking point? When will you decide to pull stakes and
depart? Have you considered the question?

I'm in NYS until my parents make the great divide. Won't be long.

You almost seem to be relishing the event.

That's a little mean, even if it's meant to be a bit funny. O_o

Not meant to be anything but an observation. He has spoken of their
future deaths several times in very flippant terms. Maybe it's just
whistling in the dark to get some bravado to face an unpleasant event.

On Sun, 11 Aug 2013 08:11:57 -0400, Stormin Mormon wrote:

Worse, I do think that Oh Bomb Us actually does think
he runs the country. Constitution be damned, he's going
to EO the country into the shape he wants. And if that
doesn't do it, he'll EO a couple more times to force it
to do what he wants.

What idiot would not whip the economy into shape if they could do it
in time for elections. Either his in 2012 or 2014 which may be make or
break for who controls congress.

The fact that there is little improvment, exactly following historical
patterns, proves he has no power to do that even if Congress didn't
exist.

On Sun, 11 Aug 2013 13:48:31 -0500, The Daring Dufas
wrote:

On 8/11/2013 12:23 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Sun, 11 Aug 2013 11:07:30 -0600, rbowman
wrote:

pyotr filipivich wrote:

Strange. There seem to be a lot of "Libertarians" who seem to
believe otherwise. Or at least seem to believe that if they could
only get their guy elected President - He could fix everything. By
Executive Order if necessary, apparently.


LP members specialize in believing at least three impossible things before
breakfast. Do you thing the Democrats and Republicans are any different? Do
you think a Republican president in 2016 will fix anything? Do you think the
Tea Party contingent, most of whom don't really know the history of their
beloved Constitution, would fix anything if they came to power? Have those
dirty, commie progressives accomplished much?

I've watched too many swings of the pendulum. One of the better professors
in one of my college physics classes was into interesting demonstrations.
For one he constructed a pendulum from a bowling ball suspended from about a
20' wire attached to an eye in the ceiling of the lecture hall. He held the
ball firmly against his chin, let it go, and stood immobile. Of course, the
ball did not knock him on his ass on its return, much to the disappointment
of the class. A pendulum only swings back and forth within defined
constraints and left to its own devices will eventually stop at its
equilibrium point.

Conservatives would like to reach out, grab the ball, and hold it stationary
but it always slips out of their fingers. Progressives would like to speed
the pendulum up but their random pushes never in crease the amplitude to get
it beyond the range of isochronism.


and you seem to not understand the difference between small (L)
libertarians and those that belong to the Libertarian Party.

The difference is rather vast..and is almost as wide as the difference
between the Left and the Right.
--

I suppose Libertarians with a small "l" are the true individuals who
believe in freedom and liberty so much that they don't want to belong to
any group because a big organized group will always *******ize the
ideals that caused the formation of said group. Being free is hard. ^_^

TDD

True indeed. Ive followed the Libertarian Party for decades as many
of their bleeves echo mine. Frankly however...its been Dope First,
Political Freedom a distant second, and has largely been composed of
every wierdo, wackjob and oddball that were 120 degrees out, from
the wierdos, wackjobs and oddballs on the Left.

There are a growing number of people with (small L) Libertarian
leanings in the Republican party..but so far..the Republican Party is
still controlled by the Rinos/weak sisters and Blue Bloods on the East
Coast. And they are what are holding the GOP back. They have to
go.

I suspect that the Tea Party will finally take control of the GOP..but
it will take another decade or two.



Gunner

--
""Almost all liberal behavioral tropes track the impotent rage of small
children. Thus, for example, there is also the popular tactic of
repeating some stupid, meaningless phrase a billion times" Arms for
hostages, arms for hostages, arms for hostages, it's just about sex, just
about sex, just about sex, dumb,dumb, money in politics,money in
politics, Enron, Enron, Enron. Nothing repeated with mind-numbing
frequency in all major news outlets will not be believed by some members
of the populace. It is the permanence of evil; you can't stop it." (Ann
Coulter)

Gunner Asch wrote:

and you seem to not understand the difference between small (L)
libertarians and those that belong to the Libertarian Party.

And you seem to have missed my specifying the LP. The OP also referenced the
LARGE L version. Bob Barr's candidacy leads me to wonder if the LP knows
what a libertarian is.

The Daring Dufas wrote:

That's why the founders were against a powerful central government
because they were well aware of the dangers posed to freedom and liberty
by such a government.

Well there were the Founders and then there were the Framers of the
Constitution. Strange how few people signed both the Declaration of
Independence and made it to the Convention. The anti-Federalists had many
cogent arguments to which the Federalists replied "Nobody would ever, ever
in a million years abuse the power."

On Sun, 11 Aug 2013 21:45:58 -0600, rbowman
wrote:

Bob Barr's candidacy leads me to wonder if the LP knows
what a libertarian is.

Noticed that too, did you.

On 8/11/2013 5:26 PM, Winston_Smith wrote:
On Sat, 10 Aug 2013 23:22:59 -0500, The Daring Dufaswrote:
On 8/10/2013 5:39 PM, Winston_Smith wrote:
On Sat, 10 Aug 2013 18:11:27 -0400, Stormin Mormon wrote:

What's your breaking point? When will you decide to pull stakes and
depart? Have you considered the question?

I'm in NYS until my parents make the great divide. Won't be long.

You almost seem to be relishing the event.

That's a little mean, even if it's meant to be a bit funny. O_o

Not meant to be anything but an observation. He has spoken of their
future deaths several times in very flippant terms. Maybe it's just
whistling in the dark to get some bravado to face an unpleasant event.


My parents are long dead and buried at Arlington National Cemetery
because they were both U.S. Army vets from WWII. My late roommate
WT and his two older brothers have been outlived by their WWII vet
father who is in his late 80's. The old cuss lied about his age to
join the army at age 17 and was one of the paratroopers dropped during
the D Day invasion. The WWII vets are fewer every year and my own
contemporaries who are Vietnam vets are slipping away too. o_O

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKBNw4kfwNM

TDD

On 8/11/2013 10:52 PM, rbowman wrote:
The Daring Dufas wrote:

That's why the founders were against a powerful central government
because they were well aware of the dangers posed to freedom and liberty
by such a government.

Well there were the Founders and then there were the Framers of the
Constitution. Strange how few people signed both the Declaration of
Independence and made it to the Convention. The anti-Federalists had many
cogent arguments to which the Federalists replied "Nobody would ever, ever
in a million years abuse the power."


Well, it's certainly happening in our lifetimes. O_o

TDD

On 8/11/2013 6:35 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Sun, 11 Aug 2013 13:48:31 -0500, The Daring Dufas
wrote:

On 8/11/2013 12:23 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Sun, 11 Aug 2013 11:07:30 -0600, rbowman
wrote:

pyotr filipivich wrote:

Strange. There seem to be a lot of "Libertarians" who seem to
believe otherwise. Or at least seem to believe that if they could
only get their guy elected President - He could fix everything. By
Executive Order if necessary, apparently.


LP members specialize in believing at least three impossible things before
breakfast. Do you thing the Democrats and Republicans are any different? Do
you think a Republican president in 2016 will fix anything? Do you think the
Tea Party contingent, most of whom don't really know the history of their
beloved Constitution, would fix anything if they came to power? Have those
dirty, commie progressives accomplished much?

I've watched too many swings of the pendulum. One of the better professors
in one of my college physics classes was into interesting demonstrations.
For one he constructed a pendulum from a bowling ball suspended from about a
20' wire attached to an eye in the ceiling of the lecture hall. He held the
ball firmly against his chin, let it go, and stood immobile. Of course, the
ball did not knock him on his ass on its return, much to the disappointment
of the class. A pendulum only swings back and forth within defined
constraints and left to its own devices will eventually stop at its
equilibrium point.

Conservatives would like to reach out, grab the ball, and hold it stationary
but it always slips out of their fingers. Progressives would like to speed
the pendulum up but their random pushes never in crease the amplitude to get
it beyond the range of isochronism.


and you seem to not understand the difference between small (L)
libertarians and those that belong to the Libertarian Party.

The difference is rather vast..and is almost as wide as the difference
between the Left and the Right.
--

I suppose Libertarians with a small "l" are the true individuals who
believe in freedom and liberty so much that they don't want to belong to
any group because a big organized group will always *******ize the
ideals that caused the formation of said group. Being free is hard. ^_^

TDD

True indeed. Ive followed the Libertarian Party for decades as many
of their bleeves echo mine. Frankly however...its been Dope First,
Political Freedom a distant second, and has largely been composed of
every wierdo, wackjob and oddball that were 120 degrees out, from
the wierdos, wackjobs and oddballs on the Left.

There are a growing number of people with (small L) Libertarian
leanings in the Republican party..but so far..the Republican Party is
still controlled by the Rinos/weak sisters and Blue Bloods on the East
Coast. And they are what are holding the GOP back. They have to
go.

I suspect that the Tea Party will finally take control of the GOP..but
it will take another decade or two.

Gunner


When religious wackos got control of the Republican Party it was just as
bad as Commies getting control of The Democrat Party. Where have all the
sane people in government gone? O_o

TDD