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Saturday July 27, 2013
Last week, one of my computer programs wasn't working right. Short form,
is that I find out MS doesn't support XP anymore, and I can't get the
computer working the way it used to. The way I liked. This new
Thunderbird isn't very easy to use, at least compared to OE. I tried
downloading a service pack from a non MS website, and got some kind of
malware, that really made a mess of my drive, and my slave drive. Ended
up buying a new drive, and I'm in the process of reformatting the drive
I'd been using. Still can't get Outlook Express to work. Lost a lot of
files, data, and thousands of old emails that were either not backed up,
or can't be read with the new email program.

Just reminding y'all to make CD, DVD, and external drive backups of
anything you consider valuable.



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Saturday July 27, 2013
Last week, one of my computer programs wasn't working right. Short form,
is that I find out MS doesn't support XP anymore, and I can't get the
computer working the way it used to. The way I liked. This new Thunderbird
isn't very easy to use, at least compared to OE. I tried downloading a
service pack from a non MS website, and got some kind of malware, that
really made a mess of my drive, and my slave drive. Ended up buying a new
drive, and I'm in the process of reformatting the drive I'd been using.
Still can't get Outlook Express to work. Lost a lot of files, data, and
thousands of old emails that were either not backed up, or can't be read
with the new email program.

Just reminding y'all to make CD, DVD, and external drive backups of
anything you consider valuable.


You can download lots of stuff from Microsoft for Windows XP. Not long ago
I installed XP off a CD. I did need the COA number for the computer to
regisiter it.
About a month ago I donwloaded something for XP from their web page. Forgot
what it was, but it was an update for an older XP part.

I was dilligent about making backups from the days I had a Radio Shack TRS3
computer and the 5 inch floppies.

Now all pix go on a dvd and an external hard drive that plugs into the usb
port backs up the whole computer.

I also have two computers and they both have many of the same files.
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Stormin Mormon wrote:
Saturday July 27, 2013
Last week, one of my computer programs wasn't working right. Short
form, is that I find out MS doesn't support XP anymore, and I can't
get the computer working the way it used to. The way I liked. This new
Thunderbird isn't very easy to use, at least compared to OE. I tried
downloading a service pack from a non MS website, and got some kind of
malware, that really made a mess of my drive, and my slave drive.
Ended up buying a new drive, and I'm in the process of reformatting
the drive I'd been using. Still can't get Outlook Express to work.
Lost a lot of files, data, and thousands of old emails that were
either not backed up, or can't be read with the new email program.


I have no problem downloading all the updates for XP, even if starting with SP1.

Unless the old drive really died, reloading XP and doing all the updates should
get it working. Better, make a slipstreamed XP SP3 disc, unless you already have
a SP3 disk, and do a repair install, and you should still have all your files.


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Saturday July 27, 2013
Last week, one of my computer programs wasn't working right. Short form,
is that I find out MS doesn't support XP anymore, and I can't get the
computer working the way it used to. The way I liked. This new
Thunderbird isn't very easy to use, at least compared to OE. I tried
downloading a service pack from a non MS website, and got some kind of
malware, that really made a mess of my drive, and my slave drive. Ended
up buying a new drive, and I'm in the process of reformatting the drive
I'd been using. Still can't get Outlook Express to work. Lost a lot of
files, data, and thousands of old emails that were either not backed up,
or can't be read with the new email program.

Just reminding y'all to make CD, DVD, and external drive backups of
anything you consider valuable.



Or use old technology like real photographs, pencil, paper, and real
books. Seventy five percent of adults prefer real books according to
this: http://tinyurl.com/mtg5wbt
Old story, possibly even true. Supposedly NASA spent a lot of money
creating a pen that would write in the almost zero gravity of space.
The Russians gave their cosmonauts pencils.
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On Sat, 27 Jul 2013 18:55:28 -0400, Stormin Mormon wrote:

Saturday July 27, 2013
Last week, one of my computer programs wasn't working right. Short form,
is that I find out MS doesn't support XP anymore, and I can't get the
computer working the way it used to. The way I liked.


There is a ton of XP information and support on the web without
needing Microsoft. Win7 and up are very much Android copy cats for
social networking and entertainment media. They are not very friendly
to commerce and industry which is hanging on to XP. Lots of info out
there.

Wipe the disk (I assume you have your data backed up), and reinstall
XP. Outlook, sad as it is, is part of that. It will be just as it was
the first time you opened it. If MS has stopped authenticating new XP
installs (I'd be surprised) there are quite a few pirate applications
out there that will do it without even going on line. You did realize
your XP would be obsolete some day and make provisions, didn't you?

======

The process going forward.

Get two hard drives. Either new or toughly wiped. XP stashes stuff in
a small hidden partition at the end of the drive and format doesn't
touch that. You can delete all the partitions (FDISK) and recreate
them which will kill Gate's little stash.

Put one as your system hard drive.

Partition, format, and install your OS as per normal. Probably your
install CD will do all that for you.

Install and configure all your applications the way you want it. Not
your data, just runable applications.

When that is to your satisfaction, clone it to the second drive and
put that away. HD Clone is one of several applications that do this.
The free version is intentionally slow, it's an overnight or next day
project, but it gets the job done and the price is right. You can run
it from a floppy (or I think, a USB stick) so you don't need to put it
on your computer. There are other similar programs.

If your drive takes a dump just put in the back up. Replace - don't
add- or the infection might spread. If the old drive if physically
good - just logically screwed up - go through the process to make it
the backup clone. If it's physically toast, buy a new drive and do the
same.

You always have a hot spare ready to go.

======

If you want a modest sized system there are several pages out there
telling how to install XP to a flash drive. It's not simple because XP
doesn't want to allow that, but the instructions are clear. That lets
you plug your stick into any computer that boots from USB and run it
like a "live CD". And your apps will look and act the same way
regardless of computer. USB sticks are getting cheap enough, several
can be your second and third backup.

This new
Thunderbird isn't very easy to use, at least compared to OE. I tried
downloading a service pack from a non MS website, and got some kind of
malware, that really made a mess of my drive, and my slave drive.


Why? You can still get service packs from MS.
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/322389

Good idea to have them stashed locally too. Think EMP event (or
terrorist hack) that takes out the internet for a year.

Each of my computers backs up a different computer so I can always get
at what I need to fix the one in trouble. Which hasn't happened in
lots of years. Another thing I do is all my install files are on both
a set of DVDs and a backup drive that normally lives in a drawer.
Complete with text files with username, S/N, and various other things
the install will ask for. I can install my whole suite to a virgin
computer from either without recourse to the network.

Ended
up buying a new drive, and I'm in the process of reformatting the drive
I'd been using. Still can't get Outlook Express to work. Lost a lot of
files, data, and thousands of old emails that were either not backed up,
or can't be read with the new email program.

Just reminding y'all to make CD, DVD, and external drive backups of
anything you consider valuable.


See above. Good advice but I personally have everything covered with a
triple backup. I learned my lesson long ago when the computer took a
dump.

That was long before the last time you told us about losing everything
to a virus problem and advised us to backup. Don't read your own
posts, I assume.

By the way, that virus you got a couple years ago was from a website
that someone had posted a link to and it turned out the website was
compromised to push malware. I got the same thing you did and fixed it
manually after about 15 minutes googling for info. You claimed it
physically destroyed your HD and bought a new one. Stop bitching about
MS (as much as they richly deserve it) and practice safe computing.

I like XP and I ain't changing come hell or high water until it's
unavoidable. I assume computers will divide into personal
entertainment machines and server based commercial operations. That
means the generic desktop will likely cease to exist. Word to the
wise.

I assume I will be abandoned and on my own by MS and all the
applications vendors and have provided for that. It has to happen
someday.


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Saturday July 27, 2013
Last week, one of my computer programs wasn't working right. Short form,
is that I find out MS doesn't support XP anymore


I dunno what universe you're in , because I still get automatic updates
for a multitude of MS products , including Windows XP - both pro and home
versions . They keep saying they're going to stop support , but too many
large businesses use that OS .
On your OE problems , there's a folder in your "my documents" folder that
has all your contacts and old conversations . I have successfully
transferred that data to a CD , then to the new OS when I had to reload XP .
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Supposedly NASA spent a lot of money
creating a pen that would write in the almost zero gravity of space.
The Russians gave their cosmonauts pencils.


That's why the Soviet economy failed: not enough stimulus.

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Saturday July 27, 2013
Last week, one of my computer programs wasn't working right. Short form,
is that I find out MS doesn't support XP anymore, and I can't get the
computer working the way it used to. The way I liked. This new
Thunderbird isn't very easy to use, at least compared to OE. I tried
downloading a service pack from a non MS website, and got some kind of
malware, that really made a mess of my drive, and my slave drive. Ended
up buying a new drive, and I'm in the process of reformatting the drive
I'd been using. Still can't get Outlook Express to work. Lost a lot of
files, data, and thousands of old emails that were either not backed up,
or can't be read with the new email program.

Just reminding y'all to make CD, DVD, and external drive backups of
anything you consider valuable.

There are only 2 kinds of computer users - those who have lost data,
and those who will.
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got some kind of malware, that really made a mess of my drive


Do you not have an anti-virus program?

http://free.avg.com/us-en/free-antivirus-download
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Saturday July 27, 2013
Last week, one of my computer programs wasn't working right. Short form,
is that I find out MS doesn't support XP anymore


I dunno what universe you're in , because I still get automatic updates
for a multitude of MS products , including Windows XP - both pro and home
versions . They keep saying they're going to stop support , but too many
large businesses use that OS .
On your OE problems , there's a folder in your "my documents" folder that
has all your contacts and old conversations . I have successfully
transferred that data to a CD , then to the new OS when I had to reload XP .


So they say, Winxp will be supported until April 8, 2014
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/w...ucts/lifecycle
Maybe they'll extend it again.. and again...


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Saturday July 27, 2013
Last week, one of my computer programs wasn't working right. Short form,
is that I find out MS doesn't support XP anymore, and I can't get the
computer working the way it used to. The way I liked. This new Thunderbird
isn't very easy to use, at least compared to OE. I tried downloading a
service pack from a non MS website, and got some kind of malware, that
really made a mess of my drive, and my slave drive. Ended up buying a new
drive, and I'm in the process of reformatting the drive I'd been using.
Still can't get Outlook Express to work. Lost a lot of files, data, and
thousands of old emails that were either not backed up, or can't be read
with the new email program.

Just reminding y'all to make CD, DVD, and external drive backups of
anything you consider valuable.


You can download lots of stuff from Microsoft for Windows XP. Not long ago
I installed XP off a CD. I did need the COA number for the computer to
regisiter it.
About a month ago I donwloaded something for XP from their web page. Forgot
what it was, but it was an update for an older XP part.

I was dilligent about making backups from the days I had a Radio Shack TRS3
computer and the 5 inch floppies.

Now all pix go on a dvd and an external hard drive that plugs into the usb
port backs up the whole computer.

I also have two computers and they both have many of the same files.
.


Hi,
My small business accounting machine is still on Dell XP server.
I am still getting automatic system update from now and then. Back up is
automatically done, daily incremental and monthly whole back up onto my
NAS drive with RAID set up. And then Once a year I back up important
files again on external USB 3 drive which is stored at other place.
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My small business accounting machine is still on Dell XP server.
I am still getting automatic system update from now and then. Back up is
automatically done, daily incremental and monthly whole back up onto my
NAS drive with RAID set up. And then Once a year I back up important files
again on external USB 3 drive which is stored at other place.


When I was working I kept a copy of the important stuff such as pic,
downloaded PDF that is hard to locate,and other things at work. Either on a
cd,dvd or the thumb drive depending on the years past.

It is always a good idea to have off site storage if possiable. I would
have it if I was in business. Probably in a safty deposit box and maybe one
at home and one at the office..

One thing I would not do is to put any info on the web that I did not care
who knew I had it. I think there are several places you can use for storage
on the web either small ammouts for free, or pay for large ammounts.


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So they say, Winxp will be supported until April 8, 2014
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/w...ucts/lifecycle
Maybe they'll extend it again.. and again...


They may. There are still a lot of comercial places using XP. No need for
them to upgrade and seems that the newer systems are not really for
business, but social networking.

To top it all off, there is a lot of equipment still out that need DOS and a
slow computer to run it on. Anything past windows 98 will not work and if
the computer is very fast, even that will not work.

You should have seen our IT department looking around for an old 3 inch
floppy that was a special kind that I think was used mainly in some IBM
machnes years ago. That drive was part of a $ 40,000 machine and needed to
load some programs on.


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On Sat, 27 Jul 2013 18:55:28 -0400, Stormin Mormon
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Saturday July 27, 2013
Last week, one of my computer programs wasn't working right. Short form,
is that I find out MS doesn't support XP anymore, and I can't get the
computer working the way it used to. The way I liked. This new
Thunderbird isn't very easy to use, at least compared to OE. I tried
downloading a service pack from a non MS website, and got some kind of
malware, that really made a mess of my drive, and my slave drive. Ended
up buying a new drive, and I'm in the process of reformatting the drive
I'd been using. Still can't get Outlook Express to work. Lost a lot of
files, data, and thousands of old emails that were either not backed up,
or can't be read with the new email program.

Just reminding y'all to make CD, DVD, and external drive backups of
anything you consider valuable.


1. Xp is still supported and will be for at least another year.
2. You didnt install Agent, even though I sent it and the cheat codes
to enable all its features.
3. You didnt have adequate anti-virus software running
4. You are less than intelligent.


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children. Thus, for example, there is also the popular tactic of
repeating some stupid, meaningless phrase a billion times" Arms for
hostages, arms for hostages, arms for hostages, it's just about sex, just
about sex, just about sex, dumb,dumb, money in politics,money in
politics, Enron, Enron, Enron. Nothing repeated with mind-numbing
frequency in all major news outlets will not be believed by some members
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On Sat, 27 Jul 2013 18:55:28 -0400, Stormin Mormon wrote:

got some kind of malware, that really made a mess of my drive


Do you not have an anti-virus program?

Free Antivirus | Download Free Virus Protection Software | AVG
I think I've got a better way of doing it.

I have two computers connected with a KVM switch.

I run my business with one computer and do all of my internet surfing on my other older computer. My KVM switch only has ports for two computers, but most KVM switches allow you to connect up to 4 computers to the same keyboard, video monitor and mouse.

If I ever get a bug on my internet surfing computer, I just format the hard disk and reload Windows XP, which takes about 90 minutes. I have very little software that I use on that surfing computer, so once XP is reloaded the rest of the software, reloading my bookmarks and resetting my ISP connection is done in less than half an hour. So far, I find that I reformat the hard drive on my internet computer about once a year on average because I get some kind of virus, adware or other malicious software, OR, as often as not, and automatic update from Microsoft or someone else screws it up.

I think buying a KVM switch and using a separate computer for internet stuff is a better solution than antivirus software because it doesn't slow the computer down like running antivirus software in the background does. And, nowadays just about everyone has old computers kicking around the house that are still good enough to be used for surfing the internet.

On my business computer I have all my business files on a 128 GB solid state drive. Solid state drives are like one big memory stick with no platter or head to crash or motor to burn out, so they're very much more reliable than conventional hard drives. They have no moving parts, so there's not much that CAN go wrong with them. The solid state drive connects with a USB cable, so if and when I buy a new computer, it's just a matter of plugging the drive into the new computer and I'm back in business. I don't have to start transferring files to the new computer.

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"Tony Hwang" wrote in message
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My small business accounting machine is still on Dell XP server.
I am still getting automatic system update from now and then. Back up is
automatically done, daily incremental and monthly whole back up onto my
NAS drive with RAID set up. And then Once a year I back up important files
again on external USB 3 drive which is stored at other place.


When I was working I kept a copy of the important stuff such as pic,
downloaded PDF that is hard to locate,and other things at work. Either on a
cd,dvd or the thumb drive depending on the years past.

It is always a good idea to have off site storage if possiable. I would
have it if I was in business. Probably in a safty deposit box and maybe one
at home and one at the office..

One thing I would not do is to put any info on the web that I did not care
who knew I had it. I think there are several places you can use for storage
on the web either small ammouts for free, or pay for large ammounts.


Hi,
Oh, No, I won't put out anything on web cloud storage. Once in my
working days, a university campus mainframe system took a direct
lightning hit wiping out all data to a point of uselessness. It had
dozens of monster size mass storage subsystems occupying a large floor
space.
For an example operators used to move around on roller blades. Realizing
the extent of system damage we decided to whole system image restore
from a weekly backup kept at off site vault. It took 3 whole days(72
hours) non-stop rstore operations. The system was UPS battery bank with
MG set up. LIghtning strike came down on main AC power buss.
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On 7/27/2013 5:55 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
Saturday July 27, 2013
Last week, one of my computer programs wasn't working right. Short form,
is that I find out MS doesn't support XP anymore, and I can't get the
computer working the way it used to. The way I liked. This new
Thunderbird isn't very easy to use, at least compared to OE. I tried
downloading a service pack from a non MS website, and got some kind of
malware, that really made a mess of my drive, and my slave drive. Ended
up buying a new drive, and I'm in the process of reformatting the drive
I'd been using. Still can't get Outlook Express to work. Lost a lot of
files, data, and thousands of old emails that were either not backed up,
or can't be read with the new email program.

Just reminding y'all to make CD, DVD, and external drive backups of
anything you consider valuable.




Egad

If you haven't figured that out by now, maybe you should give this whole
computer thing up.

Hi,
He had all the plans but has not been executing it being too busy or
lazy? Hope he learned a big lesson by now, LOL!
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So they say, Winxp will be supported until April 8, 2014
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/w...ucts/lifecycle
Maybe they'll extend it again.. and again...


They may. There are still a lot of comercial places using XP. No need for
them to upgrade and seems that the newer systems are not really for
business, but social networking.

To top it all off, there is a lot of equipment still out that need DOS and a
slow computer to run it on. Anything past windows 98 will not work and if
the computer is very fast, even that will not work.

You should have seen our IT department looking around for an old 3 inch
floppy that was a special kind that I think was used mainly in some IBM
machnes years ago. That drive was part of a $ 40,000 machine and needed to
load some programs on.


Hmmm,
Linux all the way. Almost all apps. are free.
All my desktops and laptops has dual boot. Linux of some flavor
plus XP, Vista, Win7, Win8 all 64 bit Pro or Ultimate version.
My favorite Linux is Ubuntu and Mint. Pretty easy to use with minimal
hardware.
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Terry Coombs wrote:
"Stormin Mormon" wrote in message
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Saturday July 27, 2013
Last week, one of my computer programs wasn't working right. Short form,
is that I find out MS doesn't support XP anymore


I dunno what universe you're in , because I still get automatic updates
for a multitude of MS products , including Windows XP - both pro and home
versions . They keep saying they're going to stop support , but too many
large businesses use that OS .
On your OE problems , there's a folder in your "my documents" folder that
has all your contacts and old conversations . I have successfully
transferred that data to a CD , then to the new OS when I had to reload XP .


So they say, Winxp will be supported until April 8, 2014
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/w...ucts/lifecycle
Maybe they'll extend it again.. and again...



They were going to cut it off in 2010, then 2011, then 2013.....

Way too many computers out there that simply arent ballsy enough to
run Win 7/8 in any sort of manner. And few really want to change to
yet another Windows money pit.

Which is why there are a gazillion types of Linux out there and its
getting stronger and stronger with each passing year. I stopped
paying for Windows after Xp SP3. Now most of my boxes run Linux in
one flavor or another.

And why most commercial websites use Linux in one form or another

Its been called Winblows for a decade or more..for a number of really
good reasons.


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children. Thus, for example, there is also the popular tactic of
repeating some stupid, meaningless phrase a billion times" Arms for
hostages, arms for hostages, arms for hostages, it's just about sex, just
about sex, just about sex, dumb,dumb, money in politics,money in
politics, Enron, Enron, Enron. Nothing repeated with mind-numbing
frequency in all major news outlets will not be believed by some members
of the populace. It is the permanence of evil; you can't stop it." (Ann
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So they say, Winxp will be supported until April 8, 2014
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/w...ucts/lifecycle
Maybe they'll extend it again.. and again...


They may. There are still a lot of comercial places using XP. No need for
them to upgrade and seems that the newer systems are not really for
business, but social networking.

To top it all off, there is a lot of equipment still out that need DOS and a
slow computer to run it on. Anything past windows 98 will not work and if
the computer is very fast, even that will not work.

You should have seen our IT department looking around for an old 3 inch
floppy that was a special kind that I think was used mainly in some IBM
machnes years ago. That drive was part of a $ 40,000 machine and needed to
load some programs on.

Ayup. OmniTurn CNC lathes...$42k new for the hip slick and kewl
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This new Thunderbird isn't very easy to use, at least compared to OE.


It also doesn̓t spread viruses as easily as OE.

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This new Thunderbird isn't very easy to use, at least compared to OE.


It also doesn?t spread viruses as easily as OE.

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On 7/28/2013 2:56 AM, Ray Keller wrote:

It also doesn?t spread viruses as easily as OE.



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I don't trust cloud storage, as that means someone else can read the
data. With a local external drive, it's not readable by others. As it
happens, I did have two drives in my computer, at the point that I
downloaded the malware (pretending to be XP service pack 3). I lost both
drives. One was able to reformat, the other was not. Both drives, the
data was all lost. Looking back, I ought have disconnected the F drive,
and kept the data safe. Ought to have had all that data on a
disconnected external drive before I went for the "upgrade". Some of the
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On 7/28/2013 12:24 AM, Tony Hwang wrote:

Hi,
Oh, No, I won't put out anything on web cloud storage. Once in my
working days, a university campus mainframe system took a direct
lightning hit wiping out all data to a point of uselessness. It had
dozens of monster size mass storage subsystems occupying a large floor
space.
For an example operators used to move around on roller blades. Realizing
the extent of system damage we decided to whole system image restore
from a weekly backup kept at off site vault. It took 3 whole days(72
hours) non-stop rstore operations. The system was UPS battery bank with
MG set up. LIghtning strike came down on main AC power buss.

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Ended up buying a new drive,
and I'm in the process of reformatting the drive I'd been
using. Still can't get Outlook Express to work. Lost a
lot of files, data, and thousands of old emails that were
either not backed up, or can't be read with the new email
program.


You bought a new drive and - presumably - installed XP on it and OE doesn't
work? What's it not doing, should be no problem whatsoever.

Had you not formated your old drive you could have easily gotten all your
stuff - including the emails - off of it. Too late now, gone
forever...unless you are willing to spend Big Bucks with a data recovery
service.

For those emails which you still have and which Thunderbird can't read,
Thunderbird can certainly read them if they are in the form of discrete
files (*.eml); i.e., not all jammed into a MS dbx file. If they are, TB
can import them if both it and OE are on the same computer; if not, there
are third party programs that will extract them from the *dbx and save them
as *.eml which can then be imported or read by TB.

Personally, I dislike TB. I recently bought a laptop with Winn8, tried at
least a dozen email programs trying to find one that would do what OE does
and as easily. I found none. I finally set up a virtual machine, installed
XP on it and am now using OE again.

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On 7/27/2013 11:18 PM, Ralph Mowery wrote:
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,
My small business accounting machine is still on Dell XP server.
I am still getting automatic system update from now and then. Back up is
automatically done, daily incremental and monthly whole back up onto my
NAS drive with RAID set up. And then Once a year I back up important files
again on external USB 3 drive which is stored at other place.


When I was working I kept a copy of the important stuff such as pic,
downloaded PDF that is hard to locate,and other things at work. Either on a
cd,dvd or the thumb drive depending on the years past.

It is always a good idea to have off site storage if possiable. I would
have it if I was in business. Probably in a safty deposit box and maybe one
at home and one at the office..

One thing I would not do is to put any info on the web that I did not care
who knew I had it. I think there are several places you can use for storage
on the web either small ammouts for free, or pay for large ammounts.



I had Carbonite when my machine went south last fall.
I do not recommend it. Takes overnight first use and then slows down
computer with constant interference. While it saved my business files,
it did not save music or videos and most importantly did not save my
Thunderbird profile and I lost all old retained emails and addresses.
Now using a Seagate backup drive on new computer.
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Wipe the disk (I assume you have your data backed up),
and reinstall XP. Outlook, sad as it is, is part of that.


Minor correction...Outlook is not, Outlook EXPRESS is. Two different
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Saturday July 27, 2013
Last week, one of my computer programs wasn't working right. Short form,
is that I find out MS doesn't support XP anymore, and I can't get the
computer working the way it used to. The way I liked. This new Thunderbird
isn't very easy to use, at least compared to OE. I tried downloading a
service pack from a non MS website, and got some kind of malware, that
really made a mess of my drive, and my slave drive. Ended up buying a new
drive, and I'm in the process of reformatting the drive I'd been using.
Still can't get Outlook Express to work. Lost a lot of files, data, and
thousands of old emails that were either not backed up, or can't be read
with the new email program.

Just reminding y'all to make CD, DVD, and external drive backups of
anything you consider valuable.

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On Sun, 28 Jul 2013 08:06:50 -0400, Stormin Mormon
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I don't trust cloud storage, as that means someone else can read the
data. With a local external drive, it's not readable by others.


I don't get the fascination with cloud storage either. I do see the
point that files are available at any time from any location, handy if
you travel a lot. Problem is, the connections to the internet are not
perfect and not always available. I'd hate to be sitting at either my
home of office computer and not be able to work on a spreadsheet or
revise a letter because the DSL line is out or a storm took out the
cable.

For backup, it is probably OK, but so is burning a CD or using a thumb
drive.
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Wipe the disk (I assume you have your data backed up),
and reinstall XP. Outlook, sad as it is, is part of that.


Minor correction...Outlook is not, Outlook EXPRESS is. Two different
programs.


You are correct. Stormin' likes OE because it does e-mail and usenet.
So Outlook wouldn't be what he wants.


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I can't get the
computer working the way it used to. The way I liked.


Have you looked into restore points. Even if you haven't created any
yourself, if you have an anti-virus program, it very likely creates
them whenever it's going to mess with the setup.
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As it
happens, I did have two drives in my computer, at the point that I
downloaded the malware (pretending to be XP service pack 3). I lost both
drives. One was able to reformat, the other was not. Both drives, the
data was all lost. Looking back, I ought have disconnected the F drive,
and kept the data safe.


You ought to have gotten your service pack from microsoft.
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/322389
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I think buying a KVM switch and using a second (older) computer for
surfing and internet stuff is a better option than running antivirus
software cuz it doesn't slow your computer down. And, nowadays you can
buy refurbished desktop computers from Staples for like $250 or less.


The last 3 computers I bought were off ebay for $ 100 or less including the
shipping. Most were just the desk top unit and they usually come with XP
sp3 on them and a cd with the system. Also loaded with some free wear such
as the dvd burning program and Open Office. The last was a P4 3.2 ghz.
As I don't do games, that is fast enough for what I do.



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On Sun, 28 Jul 2013 08:01:37 -0700, Winston_Smith
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On Sat, 27 Jul 2013 18:55:28 -0400, Stormin Mormon
wrote:

I can't get the
computer working the way it used to. The way I liked.


Have you looked into restore points. Even if you haven't created any
yourself, if you have an anti-virus program, it very likely creates
them whenever it's going to mess with the setup.


I don't recall XP ever having a feature to create restore points. That
feature started with Vista.
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On Sun, 28 Jul 2013 09:59:34 -0500, pilgrim wrote:
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Snip
I assume computers will divide into personal
entertainment machines and server based commercial operations. That
means the generic desktop will likely cease to exist.

Snip

Winston,

Will you please say more about this? I've heard a lot about this, but I
never have understood what I've heard. All education will be appreciated.

Thanks in advance,


It's really just a personal conclusion on my part based on what I see
evolving in the marketplace.

I'm a lover of the long obsolete Pocket PC which runs a simplified
form of Windows. Not that I love windows but that machine is a full up
windows computer with a simplified version of the Office package on it
when it comes out of the box. And fits in my shirt pocket with room to
spare.

The flaw in the business model was that once they sell the hardware
and maybe a few applications, there is no more income stream.

I bought my first one in 2003. At that time cell phones were big,
expensive, stupid, and had a text only monochrome screen something
like a 1'' by 1.5''. Just big enough to show a phone number and a
name. All it could do was make phone calls and pretty high priced
phone calls at that.

The PPC can't make phone calls but does a decent job of everything
else within it's obvious physical limits.

Over the years, cell phones got bigger screens, color, and the
processor got smart enough to run "apps". And millions of developers
wrote them. And some apps use processing power at a server on the
network.

Cell phones put the PPC out of business but they come with a monthly
bill - good business model, not good for me. And they come with
considerable questions about privacy.

But they do do most of the things most people want a computer for. In
a great many homes they have completely replaced both the desktop box
and the land line. Plus, you get a bigger, better, and cheaper one
every year or two.

At the same time companies were giving up stand-alone computers. Hard
to maintain, easy for employee tampering, well meant or not. And
difficult to collect information into a central database. That's
essential for any sort of statistical process control, tracking
production progress from input to output, software licence management,
version updates, etc. They have gone to what looks like a personal
computer at each point of use. It most IS a PC but it's pretty limited
hardware and really functions as a dumb terminal to the server. It has
almost zero software on it. Simple and cheap and all upgrades are done
at one server instead of X stations.

So from both the consumer and commercial/industrial side of the
picture, the belch-fire V8 stand alone computer is a dinosaur. And
sales figures show that.

I don't think it's a big reach to say the powerful, stand alone, home
machine will go the way of the PPC. That's a personal conclusion and I
expect someone will pop up here to dispute it. I'd like to hear
opposing views. Only time will tell.

The laptop took over for a lot of desktops. But look at their
evolution. The netbook is fast replacing laptops for many users. It's
getting so computer screens are getting smaller and cell phone screens
are getting bigger. Net books are heavily network dependent. Android
tablets almost completely. Revenue stream.

Look at the software business models. If Gates sells you XP, it's one
sale. In theory it's limited to one computer for as long as it lasts.
It's easy to put it on several, it's easy to migrate it to a new
machine. Not good for Gates. He started talking about leasing the OS
by the year long, long ago. Many engineering applications already do.
Perpetual income streams. That means a network machine.

Cell phones - perpetual income streams and perhaps more money to be
made from tracking people and selling advertising information than
from the monthly usage charge. Same story for the 99 cent
applications.

Revenue streams for application writers. Either you work corporate or
you work the personal market. How much can I charge Joe Sixpack for an
app? You don't go to the software store and buy a box anymore. They
make their money selling it in bulk, through a network distribution
channel (with a zero per copy physical cost), to millions of users.
Users hanging on the network. And most of them generate user profile
income, if not personal then in aggregate.

Windows has had trouble establishing itself in the cell phone market.
People seem to like Android. That interface is purely geared to
personal use and to social networking and entertainment media. Windows
7 and 8 are look-alikes. Most cell phones are Android. Most tablets
are Android. That format will dominate on personal equipment. Simple,
uncluttered on a small screen, suitable for touch screen instead of
keyboard/mouse, does what Joe Sixpack wants to do. While Win7-8 can be
reconfigured to look/work like XP, it's an extra step.
Commerce/industry won't bother. They will run Linux on a heavy duty
server and give individual workstations a simple dumb client machine
with what ever screen serves their needs. The security is better too.

I'll climb off my soap box now. I'll repeat this is a personal
estimation of the future. The future likes to take screwball turns,
but so far the path as been consistent and it also makes sense - small
personal devices completely network dependant. Or stand alone, secure
commercial servers on a tightly controlled internal network. There is
not enough middle ground to support a business model. (Land lines will
go extinct before too long too.)

If anyone agrees with this, the message is to stock up on performance
computer hardware and archive your existing software for the future.

It's both a choice between what mode you want to do your computing
chores in, and how you want to trade off one time cost vs. monthly
cost, and how you want to trade off convenient and current vs.
privacy.

Full disclosu I'm in alt.survival. I'm always thinking in terms of
what if the standard way of the world goes bad. How do I live off-grid
with minimal dependence on outside products and services. If you see
the world going on forever, just getting better and better, ignore me.
You are probably right, but I'm keeping my options open.


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Have you looked into restore points. Even if you haven't created any
yourself, if you have an anti-virus program, it very likely creates
them whenever it's going to mess with the setup.


I don't recall XP ever having a feature to create restore points. That
feature started with Vista.


Right off the help file of win xp:

Featu System Restore
When to use it: When you suspect that any of the following changes have been
made:
a.. System or application settings have been changed. This includes
changes made through property sheets and changes made to the registry.
b.. Applications have been installed, updated, or removed.
c.. Files other than data files have been added or deleted.
If you suspect the problem is due to installing an application, first try
removing that application. If the problem persists, use System Restore. You
must be logged on as an administrator to use System Restore.
What it does: Restores all system and application settings back to those
that were in effect at a point in time you specify. Restores key
application, driver, and operating system files changed since that time.
Does not affect data files.
Available on: Windows XP Home Edition and Windows XP Professional.


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"Oren" wrote in message
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Have you looked into restore points. Even if you haven't created any
yourself, if you have an anti-virus program, it very likely creates
them whenever it's going to mess with the setup.


I don't recall XP ever having a feature to create restore points. That
feature started with Vista.


Right off the help file of win xp:

Featu System Restore
When to use it: When you suspect that any of the following changes have been
made:
a.. System or application settings have been changed. This includes
changes made through property sheets and changes made to the registry.
b.. Applications have been installed, updated, or removed.
c.. Files other than data files have been added or deleted.
If you suspect the problem is due to installing an application, first try
removing that application. If the problem persists, use System Restore. You
must be logged on as an administrator to use System Restore.
What it does: Restores all system and application settings back to those
that were in effect at a point in time you specify. Restores key
application, driver, and operating system files changed since that time.
Does not affect data files.
Available on: Windows XP Home Edition and Windows XP Professional.


Thanks. I stand corrected.
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Full disclosu I'm in alt.survival. I'm always thinking in terms of
what if the standard way of the world goes bad. How do I live off-grid
with minimal dependence on outside products and services. If you see
the world going on forever, just getting better and better, ignore me.
You are probably right, but I'm keeping my options open.



It's that dependence that is the Achilles heel. People may rethink if
something like AWS goes down hard for a few days.

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On Sun, 28 Jul 2013 08:52:05 -0700, Oren wrote:

On Sun, 28 Jul 2013 08:01:37 -0700, Winston_Smith
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On Sat, 27 Jul 2013 18:55:28 -0400, Stormin Mormon
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I can't get the
computer working the way it used to. The way I liked.


Have you looked into restore points. Even if you haven't created any
yourself, if you have an anti-virus program, it very likely creates
them whenever it's going to mess with the setup.


I don't recall XP ever having a feature to create restore points. That
feature started with Vista.

XP has ALWAYS had restore points. You can turn the feature on or
off.
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On 7/28/2013 12:10 AM, Gunner Asch wrote:


1. Xp is still supported and will be for at least another year.
2. You didnt install Agent, even though I sent it and the cheat codes
to enable all its features.
3. You didnt have adequate anti-virus software running
4. You are less than intelligent.


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