On 12/3/2011 7:27 PM, Steve B wrote:
wrote in message
...
On 2011-12-03, wrote:

I'm sure the city is NOT amused to have their inspectors sent out on
false
complaints whose sole intent is to harass the target.

They are probably more than happy to go out on citizen complaints false
or not. The only reason they wouldn't be is if it caused them to miss
out on some revenue... which is doubtful.

Government historically encourages people to turn in their neighbors and
family members, the USA is no exception these days.

It is going to get worse. The Brown Shirts are coming back. Rat on your
neighbor. Rat on your parents.

A good friend of mine has a 16 year old daughter. She is typical. Can't
understand why mom and dad have reservations about things like tattoos, body
piercings, going to raves, staying out until 3 AM, etc.

Might be common, but not typical.

Girl gets class at school that teaches her about domestic violence. Plus
all this other ammunition of what legally constitutes domestic violence.
She was told that if someone blocks her exit from a room, that is reason to
call 911. Armed with all this ammunition, she's ready to go home and show
Mom and Dad who's REALLY in command.

Daughter is being a putz one night, and dad puts his foot down. Daughter
wants to retreat to bedroom before hearing all of what Dad has to say. Dad
blocks way. Girl eventually gets to room, and calls 911.

Cops come. Parents, local very successful established businesspersons, are
taken away in handcuffs. Children are taken into protective custody by
officers whose duty is to protect and serve. Daughter and son spend six
months in foster care. Family is finally reunited after six months.

It is truly hard to believe that a child was removed only for that
reason. Lots of upstanding, successful people beat and molest their
kids...read the news! Very sad, whatever the case.

Mom and Dad cannot have future children because of medical reasons. Were
planning to adopt, but with domestic violence record, are permanently
forbidden to even apply.

Daughter comes to Mom, and says that if she really understood what the
consequences were, that she would have never called 911.

But, sorry, that wasn't included in DV101 at school.

The Brown Shirts are back.

Steve



I've seen plenty of d.v. close up; most often there is booze/drugs
involved. Worked in drug rehab for a while and heard accounts of abuse
that are hard to imagine...easier for women to counsel for it than for
men, it seems. Hard for men to acknowledge being a victim, so it goes
into storage.

Teaching about d.v. in high school has my vote - a lot of students are
already in abusive relationships and a good number will be parents shortly.

I presume you were forced to call code enforcement many times?


"Scott Dorsey" wrote in message
...

The story just keeps getting better...

I've had neighbors just like this....
--scott

--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

New one, to me. Thanks for sharing. That is almost a Darwin award candidate.

"Bernie Ward" bernie.ward@hotmail wrote in message
...
Ever heard of using a shopvac to clean out a gas tank?


http://www.masslive.com/news/index.s...ld_man_su.html

On 12/3/2011 2:46 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
Most guys siphon from the car to the boat -- gas is usually cheaper on
land. I've heard of folks fuel up the boat on land, before launching at
the slip. Something is odd, here.

Got a URL? No, I've never heard of that.

"Steve B" wrote in message
...
Ever hear of not top posting?

That's where midnight basketball comes in. With kareoke, and pig roast.

I'm sure other things will come to mind.

"Larry W" wrote in message
...

The people who state that it wuld be easier to just fuel up the car
at the finning station are right, but they are missing the point. If
the OP just fueled up at the ga station, he would have to find something
else to do to irritate his neighbor.
--
Often wrong, never in doubt.

Larry Wasserman - Baltimore Maryland - lwasserm(a)sdf. lonestar. org

On 12/2/2011 8:36 PM, worker bee wrote:
Interesting story just developed over the past two months that I figured
I'd let you know about in case it happens to you.


how to get even with your neighbor:

find a road kill deer and put it beside his house
then call authorities for unpermitted deer kill in possession

find a dead skunk and put it into his trash can

call authorities that he is burying dead animals in his yard
(they might dig it all up) (that happened to my bro in law)

call authority's that he has a pot grow operation in his house

call authorities that he has unlicensed explosives in the house
and might be a terrorist

call authorities that he has un permitted internal remodeling in the house

call authorities that he is dumping motor oil in a hole in the yard

call authorities that he is making meth and put a small anhydrous tank
along the home with a few ephedra pills next to it

call ATF that he has illegal automatic weapons in the house

b

Stormin Mormon top-posted:
"Scott Dorsey" wrote in message
...

The story just keeps getting better...

I've had neighbors just like this....

I presume you were forced to call code enforcement many times?

No, it was in Atlanta. It was easier for me to move away. After they had
sprayed their lawn (and mine) with a "diluted" defoliant to "make mowing
easier."
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

On Dec 3, 8:59*am, worker bee wrote:
On Sat, 03 Dec 2011 08:30:16 -0800, Harry K wrote:
Neighborhood fueds never turn out well. *Find out
who is doing it and charge him with harassment.

I wonder how to find out WHO called it in.

When I asked, they said it was anonymous.

I wonder if it really was. Maybe there is a public record?

Either way, I'll figure out something. He can't get too far from me
without me seeing his dirty laundry (literally).

Each agency _will_ have a record on file of every complaint. FOIF
request should work.

Of course the simple way is for you to quit that idiotic schlepping of
gas cans and great wasting of time.

Harry K

On Dec 3, 2:00*pm, Evan wrote:
On Dec 3, 11:47*am, Ed Pawlowski wrote:





On Sat, 03 Dec 2011 09:30:36 -0500, Home Guy wrote:

There's only 2 reasons why someone might want to maintain a small store
of gas in his backyard:

1) It's a long way to the gas station, and you're going to burn a lot of
gas going there just to get your gas. *So get as much as you can in one
trip and bring it all home for re-distribution.

2) You want to save a few bucks by buying gas when the price is low.
It's just that you want to buy a LOT of gas when the price is low -
enough to last you a month.

How about:
3) He has a lot of off road vehicles to fuel up. *ATV, snowmobile,
tractor, etc.

As for filling up the family sedan, I hate pumping gas once so I'll be
damned if I'm going to do it twice. *We do have a few full service
station in central MA though, lowest prices around too!

Here in CT it is 3.53 if I pump it myself. *Across the border, I can
have it pumped for me and pay 3.31.

OK, that brings up reason 4). *He buys a large quantity when traveling
to another state with cheaper gas and saves $25 a load.

Transporting fuel of any quantity not contained in your vehicle's
factory designed fuel tank across state lines requires a federal
license to do so -- case else you are committing tax fraud on the
state of your residence by evading the gasoline tax on fuel you
clearly
intend to use within your state that you purchased in another and
making a federal offense out of it by crossing a state line...- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

What do guys like landscapers that have several cans of gas
on their trucks do when they cross a state line everyday?
Dump it all out? Geez...

On 12/4/2011 11:17 AM, wrote:
On Dec 3, 2:00 pm, wrote:
On Dec 3, 11:47 am, Ed wrote:





On Sat, 03 Dec 2011 09:30:36 -0500, Home wrote:

There's only 2 reasons why someone might want to maintain a small store
of gas in his backyard:

1) It's a long way to the gas station, and you're going to burn a lot of
gas going there just to get your gas. So get as much as you can in one
trip and bring it all home for re-distribution.

2) You want to save a few bucks by buying gas when the price is low.
It's just that you want to buy a LOT of gas when the price is low -
enough to last you a month.

How about:
3) He has a lot of off road vehicles to fuel up. ATV, snowmobile,
tractor, etc.

As for filling up the family sedan, I hate pumping gas once so I'll be
damned if I'm going to do it twice. We do have a few full service
station in central MA though, lowest prices around too!

Here in CT it is 3.53 if I pump it myself. Across the border, I can
have it pumped for me and pay 3.31.

OK, that brings up reason 4). He buys a large quantity when traveling
to another state with cheaper gas and saves $25 a load.

Transporting fuel of any quantity not contained in your vehicle's
factory designed fuel tank across state lines requires a federal
license to do so -- case else you are committing tax fraud on the
state of your residence by evading the gasoline tax on fuel you
clearly
intend to use within your state that you purchased in another and
making a federal offense out of it by crossing a state line...- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

What do guys like landscapers that have several cans of gas
on their trucks do when they cross a state line everyday?
Dump it all out? Geez...

Likely Doug the landscapers incursions into another state is statistical
noise. But there are reporting requirements even if you transport fuel
in the vehicles fuel tank in commercial use.

The organization that handles it is IFTA:

Our former governor was a big proponent of handing all of the
Interstates over to the massively bureaucratic overfilled with political
appointments turnpike commission. He constantly made the false claim
that out of state trucks were not paying road use tax. If you are even a
small trucking company you must file an IFTA return that lists all of
the states you operated in and the mileage and remit the tax. So say you
filled up a truck in NY and drove across NJ, PA and OH. Even though you
didn't purchase fuel there you would need to pay road use tax to NJ, PA
and OH (and get a credit for fuel you didn't use in NY)

On Dec 3, 1:51*pm, Evan wrote:
On Dec 3, 9:43*am, worker bee wrote:





Bear in mind, ALL my friends think the same way as you do, so I do
understand that you may think it loony. However, I don't. I really don't.

Don't blame me, Stormin started it.

On 12/3/2011 7:16 PM, Steve B wrote:
Ever hear of not top posting?

"Bernie Ward"bernie.ward@hotmail wrote in message
...
Ever heard of using a shopvac to clean out a gas tank?

http://www.masslive.com/news/index.s...ld_man_su.html

On 12/3/2011 2:46 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
Most guys siphon from the car to the boat -- gas is usually cheaper on
land. I've heard of folks fuel up the boat on land, before launching at
the slip. Something is odd, here.

I fuel the vehicles at the gas station, cause I live in a trailer park,
and I'm sure the park would not like fuel storage.

"Smokey wrote in message
...
Here's an interesting story about a guy siphoning gas from his boat
when a static spark ignited the fumes.


http://www.caller.com/news/2011/nov/...on-motor-boat/


You're certainly free to do what you want but I'll fuel my car at the
gas station.

OMG! WTF was that guy thinking?

On 12/3/2011 6:15 PM, Oren wrote:


_Fuel Tanker Explodes When Man Uses Lighter To Check The Tank_

Video: (short)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgjI4PacHgk

On Sat, 03 Dec 2011 09:30:36 -0500, Home Guy wrote:
1) It's a long way to the gas station
2) You want to save a few bucks

There are a lot of good reasons not to transport & then store gasoline at
home for sure.

Valid reasons NOT to transport & store gasoline in legal amounts:
* Dangerous (for all)
* Tedious (for some)
* Cost savings are probably around zero over time (multiple things
considered)

Some potential reasons to transport & store gasoline in legal amounts:
* The wife loves not having to fill up (& hates anyone touching her car)
* It's convenient for me also (I don't mind what others invariablly seem
to consider too much effort)
* The additional danger 'can' be managed

In article ,
Stormin Mormon wrote:
Got a URL? No, I've never heard of that.

"Steve B" wrote in message
m...
Ever hear of not top posting?




Here's is the first of 23,000 returned by searching google for "usnet
etiquette top posting"

http://www.caliburn.nl/topposting.html


--
Better to be stuck up in a tree than tied to one.

Larry Wasserman - Baltimore Maryland - lwasserm(a)sdf. lonestar.org

On Dec 4, 9:39*am, Bernie Ward bernie.ward@hotmail wrote:
Don't blame me, Stormin started it.

On 12/3/2011 7:16 PM, Steve B wrote:



Ever hear of not top posting?

"Bernie Ward"bernie.ward@hotmail *wrote in message
m...
Ever heard of using a shopvac to clean out a gas tank?

http://www.masslive.com/news/index.s...old_springfiel....

On 12/3/2011 2:46 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
Most guys siphon from the car to the boat -- gas is usually cheaper on
land. I've heard of folks fuel up the boat on land, before launching at
the slip. Something is odd, here.

I fuel the vehicles at the gas station, cause I live in a trailer park,
and I'm sure the park would not like fuel storage.

"Smokey *wrote in message
news:rLqdnWbEvd_i1kfTnZ2dnUVZ_jCdnZ2d@giganews. com...
Here's an interesting story about a guy siphoning gas from his boat
when a static spark ignited the fumes.

http://www.caller.com/news/2011/nov/...working-on-mot....

You're certainly free to do what you want but I'll fuel my car at the
gas station.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

But even so, it is not acceptable. He refuses to change, I hope
you don't refuse to.

Harry K

On Sun, 04 Dec 2011 12:39:13 -0500, Bernie Ward bernie.ward@hotmail
wrote:

Don't blame me, Stormin started it.

On 12/3/2011 7:16 PM, Steve B wrote:
Ever hear of not top posting?


Help me understand your position that Stormin started something.

If he turns Gay will you do the same? Would you jump off a cliff
because he did?

Top posting is not appreciated, nor is your claim that top posting is
acceptable.

On 12/3/2011 4:02 AM, worker bee wrote:
On Sat, 03 Dec 2011 23:35:44 +1300, bugalugs wrote:
Why can't you fill your car at the gas station like everybody else???.

Other than the unexpected inspector visits, it's just so very much easier
to fill up once every two months at the filling station.

Not having to go to the gas station ever again is one of the great
appeals of all-electric cars. These days, going to the gas station is a
big drag.


It's all about the sheer convenience of gassing up at home.

On a different scale, it's the same reason you get water out of the tap,
instead of bringing a bucket to the village well every time you need a
drink.

On Mon, 05 Dec 2011 00:00:04 -1000, dsi1 wrote:

On 12/3/2011 4:02 AM, worker bee wrote:
On Sat, 03 Dec 2011 23:35:44 +1300, bugalugs wrote:
Why can't you fill your car at the gas station like everybody else???.

Other than the unexpected inspector visits, it's just so very much easier
to fill up once every two months at the filling station.

Not having to go to the gas station ever again is one of the great
appeals of all-electric cars. These days, going to the gas station is a
big drag.


I hate filling my own tank, especially in the winter. I don't know
which is worse though. If I had a stupid Volt, I'd have to plug it in
every night, then plug it in every day at work. So, it is easier to
fill with gas once a week or plug and unplug 10 to 12 times a week?

I know electric heat is more expensive than fuel heat (at least in NYS). I'm
guessing electric travel is more expensive. And then, the question of how
many miles on a fill up, and how expensive the batteries when they die. With
all those concerns, I'll stick with gasoline or diesel vehicles.

"dsi1" wrote in message
...

Not having to go to the gas station ever again is one of the great appeals
of all-electric cars. These days, going to the gas station is a big drag.

What's the miles range on the volt? 40 or so per charge? A loser, compared
to gasoline.

"Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message
...

I hate filling my own tank, especially in the winter. I don't know
which is worse though. If I had a stupid Volt, I'd have to plug it in
every night, then plug it in every day at work. So, it is easier to
fill with gas once a week or plug and unplug 10 to 12 times a week?

On Dec 5, 2:00*am, dsi1 wrote:
On 12/3/2011 4:02 AM, worker bee wrote:

On Sat, 03 Dec 2011 23:35:44 +1300, bugalugs wrote:
Why can't you fill your car at the gas station like everybody else???.

Other than the unexpected inspector visits, it's just so very much easier
to fill up once every two months at the filling station.

Not having to go to the gas station ever again is one of the great
appeals of all-electric cars. These days, going to the gas station is a
big drag.





It's all about the sheer convenience of gassing up at home.

On a different scale, it's the same reason you get water out of the tap,
instead of bringing a bucket to the village well every time you need a
drink.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

???how is going to the gas station a big drag "these days" as opposed
to doing the same thing years ago? I see no difference today from 50
years ago except that now I have to pump my own gas.

Harry K

Now days, I can stick in my credit card, and not even have to go in. Which
is nice, considering some stores have one door going in, and one to go out.
To get in and out, you have to walk through the entire store.

And Gomer Pyle doesn't come out and tell me Goober says hey.

"Harry K" wrote in message
...

???how is going to the gas station a big drag "these days" as opposed
to doing the same thing years ago? I see no difference today from 50
years ago except that now I have to pump my own gas.

Harry K

On Dec 2, 9:25*pm, Home Guy wrote:
worker bee wrote:
For about five years, I've been in an unfriendly situation with my
nearest neighbor
Tony Hwang wrote:
Hmmm
60 gal. of gas is more tan a big drumful.

Which got me thinking: *You'd better clear-out all that gas, because the
next step your neighbor is likely to take is to throw a cigarette at it.

We once had a fire started near our garage by an unknwon arsonist. The
fire threatened two homes [ours & adjoining neighbor's] took out two
buildings [including our garage] and three trees 40+ ft high trees
with trunks so big two people would have to join arms to surround the
trunks. The flames were 60 to 80 feet in the air and photos made
national coverage. The fire was so involved one could easily get 3rd
degree burns being near it. In other words, BIG FIRE! Inside the
garage on a shelf was a metal, federally approved, 5 gallon gasoline
container half full of petrol. The car in the garage was totaled, the
paint all over the can burnt black and peeled off, but that can, and
its contents, remained intact! The firemen were VERY skittish about
its presence. So now I'm convinced to ALWAYS buy and use METAL fuel
storage containers, those things work!

Footnote on the garage damage the garage was originally built for
Model T, pre code construction, all redwood. The fire damaged the
building so much it was of cousre condemned as dangerous, labeled such
and the cost/burden to destroy the structure fell upon me. I hired a
worker skilled at demolition and it took him TWO DAYS to dismantle the
building, it was holding together that well. Probably could have
simply shingled over the roof and used it for another 80 years. Oh
well.

On Dec 5, 1:03Â*am, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On Mon, 05 Dec 2011 00:00:04 -1000, dsi1 wrote:
On 12/3/2011 4:02 AM, worker bee wrote:
On Sat, 03 Dec 2011 23:35:44 +1300, bugalugs wrote:
Why can't you fill your car at the gas station like everybody else???..

Other than the unexpected inspector visits, it's just so very much easier
to fill up once every two months at the filling station.

Not having to go to the gas station ever again is one of the great
appeals of all-electric cars. These days, going to the gas station is a
big drag.

I hate filling my own tank, especially in the winter. Â*I don't know
which is worse though. Â*If I had a stupid Volt, I'd have to plug it in
every night, then plug it in every day at work. Â*So, it is easier to
fill with gas once a week or plug and unplug 10 to 12 times a week?

How about we just use induction charging. You just park over the pad
and you get out of the car and do nothing. Would that work? š¡ðŸš—

On 12/5/2011 3:08 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
I know electric heat is more expensive than fuel heat (at least in NYS).
I'm guessing electric travel is more expensive. And then, the question
of how many miles on a fill up, and how expensive the batteries when
they die. With all those concerns, I'll stick with gasoline or diesel
vehicles.

"dsi1" wrote in message
...

Not having to go to the gas station ever again is one of the great
appeals of all-electric cars. These days, going to the gas station is
a big drag.


Heating stuff by running electricity through some wire is not an
efficient way to produce heat. It's more efficient to use the
electricity to run electric motors in a heat pump. At least, that's the
way we heat water in our building. Burning fuel in an internal
combustion engine is not an efficient way to produce rotary motion.
Isn't most of it wasted heat?

On 12/5/2011 5:44 AM, Harry K wrote:
???how is going to the gas station a big drag "these days" as opposed
to doing the same thing years ago? I see no difference today from 50
years ago except that now I have to pump my own gas.

Harry K

I'm getting older.

"worker bee" wrote in message
...
Interesting story just developed over the past two months that I figured
I'd let you know about in case it happens to you.

For about five years, I've been in an unfriendly situation with my
nearest neighbor (over past events with the kids getting into trouble and
barking loose dogs).

Then, the past two months, no less than 5 inspectors came to my property
to check for hazardous conditions due to 'anonymous' complaints.

The first was the fire marshall who was told I had 'large gasoline tanks'
on the property. Turns out, fuel containers of fewer than 60 gallons each
are exempt from fire marshall permit needs (a permit application alone,
he told me, is over $750).

That didn't strike me as too weird until the zoning guys dropped by. They
said someone complained about an improper 'accessory structure' used to
house gasoline. Turns out any accessory structure that is six feet from
the property line meets zoning requirements, so he left me alone.

It started to get weirder when the building inspector showed up for the
same reason (don't these guys talk to each other?). He too left empty
handed. Apparently an accessory structure only needs a permit if it's
greater than 120 square feet and if its highest point is greater than 14
feet tall.

I knew someone had it in for me when, a month later, my wife called me at
work to say there was a guy snooping around the property without even
knocking on the door! She called the police and then called me!

Turns out, it was a hazmat inspector who had received a complaint about a
'primary container' leaking with no 'secondary containment' in place. He
left before I arrived but told my wife that there was nothing he could or
would do unless it was actually leaking as there are no storage
regulations for private property other than you can't actually leak
gasoline into the ground.

He did suggest a 'secondary containment' of an oblong horse trough though.

I rushed home early from work to find both the police and yet another
inspector talking to my wife in the back yard. This inspector was from
the air quality management district. He said that organic fuel gas tanks
less than 260 gallons were exempt from vapor recovery & pressure venting
requirements, so he left before the cop finished asking questions.

The cop seemed amused by the whole story - but he asked a LOT of
questions about the gas cans lying around.

Turns out that you can't transport anything heavier (yes, heavier) than
500 pounds of "fuel" in a vehicle (not counting the vehicle's gasoline
tank itself) which he said was 62 gallons of gasoline (#11160 title 13
California Code of Regulations & 32000.5a California Vehicle Code). He
also mentioned that 172.504c Title 49 of the code of Federal Regulations
requires a placard if you carry more than 1,000 pounds of gasoline.

Since I'm only carrying about 50 gallons, I'm exempt from that too!

All in all, an interesting story. Now, I do have a sense of humor so I
have to figure out how I can get my neighbor back.

Have you ever engaged in these type of neighborly wars? Any good ideas?

Years ago, I had house that backed up to a drainage easment (i.e., an open
ditch). As it turned out, I owned both side of the easment (ditch). The
easment was lined with rip-rap. When I got the house, the neighbor behind me
routinely weed wacked the ditch. I decided that I wanted to plant trees to
shade out the easment. So, I bought a buch of trees and planted them on both
sides of the ditch. Of course this meant the guy had to stop weed wacking
the ditch. Meanwhile, I also fenced in my backyard, The fenced in area did
not include the ditch. I got all the proper permits for the fence. As it
turns out, the house next to me on one side was very close to my property
line and in fact most of their "backyard" was actually my backyard becasue
of the way their house was located on the property (it was corner lot and
the house was angled to face the intersection and pushed way back on the
lot). So, once I built the fence, they essentially had no backyard. Shorthly
after building the fence, I got a letter from the city telling me I had to
clean up the ditch, or they would do it for me and charge me $300. I
immeadiately called down and asked for an explanation. They said they had a
complaint. I asked under what ordinance they were threatening me. They sent
me a book with the infomration. It was clear I was not in violation (wooded
areas, flood plains and drainage easements were specifically exempt from the
particular ordinace cited). I expalined this to the burecrat in charge. They
said it didn't matter and that if I didn't want to have them clean it up, I
would need to present my case to the city council. I said no problem, I'd be
happy to. The fact was, this same drainage easment (ditch) went throughout
the sub-division and only one hudred yards or so wasn't wooded. I was just
updating my portion to be a wooded area. I assumed that I would be notified
when I needed to appears and that I would have time to prepare my case. Ha!
I was called the next day and said I need to come to the council meeting
that night. I complained that I need time to prepare my slides (I planned to
present the ordinates on a slide, with the exemptions and pictures of the
easement in other parts of the sub-division.). Finally a somewhat friendlier
bureacrat said she would remove my name from the council schedule and round
file the complaint. As long as they didn't get another call, I was OK.
Apparently they never did get another call becasue I never had to do
anything. If you go by that house today, It has a nice wooded area in the
rear with a variety of interesting trees that looks a heck of a lot better
than a rock lined ditch.

Ed

dsi1 wrote:

On Dec 5, 1:03*am, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

-snip-

I hate filling my own tank, especially in the winter. *I don't know
which is worse though. *If I had a stupid Volt, I'd have to plug it in
every night, then plug it in every day at work. *So, it is easier to
fill with gas once a week or plug and unplug 10 to 12 times a week?

How about we just use induction charging. You just park over the pad
and you get out of the car and do nothing. Would that work? ??

Do you mean 'Will it work?" -- or 'will it work for Ed?'?

I just saw this this morning on ZDNet-
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/green/6-hi...s-rivers;item0
http://preview.tinyurl.com/csep5q2

Commercial tests of a couple different systems will start in 2012.

So apparently it *will* work. It would work for me. Can't speak for
Ed.

Jim

On Dec 2, 4:36*pm, worker bee wrote:
Interesting story just developed over the past two months that I figured
I'd let you know about in case it happens to you.

For about five years, I've been in an unfriendly situation with my
nearest neighbor (over past events with the kids getting into trouble and
barking loose dogs).

Then, the past two months, no less than 5 inspectors came to my property
to check for hazardous conditions due to 'anonymous' complaints.

The first was the fire marshall who was told I had 'large gasoline tanks'
on the property. Turns out, fuel containers of fewer than 60 gallons each
are exempt from fire marshall permit needs (a permit application alone,
he told me, is over $750).

That didn't strike me as too weird until the zoning guys dropped by. They
said someone complained about an improper 'accessory structure' used to
house gasoline. Turns out any accessory structure that is six feet from
the property line meets zoning requirements, so he left me alone.

It started to get weirder when the building inspector showed up for the
same reason (don't these guys talk to each other?). He too left empty
handed. Apparently an accessory structure only needs a permit if it's
greater than 120 square feet and if its highest point is greater than 14
feet tall.

I knew someone had it in for me when, a month later, my wife called me at
work to say there was a guy snooping around the property without even
knocking on the door! She called the police and then called me!

Turns out, it was a hazmat inspector who had received a complaint about a
'primary container' leaking with no 'secondary containment' in place. He
left before I arrived but told my wife that there was nothing he could or
would do unless it was actually leaking as there are no storage
regulations for private property other than you can't actually leak
gasoline into the ground.

He did suggest a 'secondary containment' of an oblong horse trough though..

I rushed home early from work to find both the police and yet another
inspector talking to my wife in the back yard. This inspector was from
the air quality management district. He said that organic fuel gas tanks
less than 260 gallons were exempt from vapor recovery & pressure venting
requirements, so he left before the cop finished asking questions.

The cop seemed amused by the whole story - but he asked a LOT of
questions about the gas cans lying around.

Turns out that you can't transport anything heavier (yes, heavier) than
500 pounds of "fuel" in a vehicle (not counting the vehicle's gasoline
tank itself) which he said was 62 gallons of gasoline (#11160 title 13
California Code of Regulations & 32000.5a California Vehicle Code). He
also mentioned that 172.504c Title 49 of the code of Federal Regulations
requires a placard if you carry more than 1,000 pounds of gasoline.

Since I'm only carrying about 50 gallons, I'm exempt from that too!

All in all, an interesting story. Now, I do have a sense of humor so I
have to figure out how I can get my neighbor back.

Have you ever engaged in these type of neighborly wars? Any good ideas?

My guess is that it could be anyone that lives near you doing this.
Just be glad the person or persons responsible ain't doing anything
really awful. Maybe they're just interested in the safety of your
neighborhood. This seems reasonable and responsible to me. Forget
about it.

On Dec 5, 9:47*am, Jim Elbrecht wrote:
dsi1 wrote:
On Dec 5, 1:03 am, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

-snip-



I hate filling my own tank, especially in the winter. I don't know
which is worse though. If I had a stupid Volt, I'd have to plug it in
every night, then plug it in every day at work. So, it is easier to
fill with gas once a week or plug and unplug 10 to 12 times a week?

How about we just use induction charging. You just park over the pad
and you get out of the car and do nothing. Would that work? ??

Do you mean 'Will it work?" -- or 'will it work for Ed?'?

I just saw this this morning on ZDNet-http://www.zdnet.com/blog/green/6-high-profile-trials-of-wireless-car...http://preview.tinyurl.com/csep5q2

Commercial tests of a couple different systems will start in 2012.

So apparently it *will* work. * It would work for me. *Can't speak for
Ed.

Jim

You got me... I deliberately left it ambiguous because I'm making an
effort to not sound like a sarcastic asshole all the time. How am I
doing? (-:

On Dec 5, 9:47*am, Jim Elbrecht wrote:
dsi1 wrote:
On Dec 5, 1:03 am, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

-snip-



I hate filling my own tank, especially in the winter. I don't know
which is worse though. If I had a stupid Volt, I'd have to plug it in
every night, then plug it in every day at work. So, it is easier to
fill with gas once a week or plug and unplug 10 to 12 times a week?

How about we just use induction charging. You just park over the pad
and you get out of the car and do nothing. Would that work? ??

Do you mean 'Will it work?" -- or 'will it work for Ed?'?

I just saw this this morning on ZDNet-http://www.zdnet.com/blog/green/6-high-profile-trials-of-wireless-car...http://preview.tinyurl.com/csep5q2

Commercial tests of a couple different systems will start in 2012.

So apparently it *will* work. * It would work for me. *Can't speak for
Ed.

Jim

They can embed induction coils in the roadways so you can charge your
cars while driving too. I'd like to see gasoline cars do that! No
seriously... I'd like to be able to gas up my car while driving. That
would be pretty damn exciting!

On 2011-12-05, dsi1 wrote:
On Dec 5, 9:47*am, Jim Elbrecht wrote:
dsi1 wrote:
On Dec 5, 1:03 am, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

-snip-



I hate filling my own tank, especially in the winter. I don't know
which is worse though. If I had a stupid Volt, I'd have to plug it in
every night, then plug it in every day at work. So, it is easier to
fill with gas once a week or plug and unplug 10 to 12 times a week?

How about we just use induction charging. You just park over the pad
and you get out of the car and do nothing. Would that work? ??

Do you mean 'Will it work?" -- or 'will it work for Ed?'?

I just saw this this morning on ZDNet-http://www.zdnet.com/blog/green/6-high-profile-trials-of-wireless-car...http://preview.tinyurl.com/csep5q2

Commercial tests of a couple different systems will start in 2012.

So apparently it *will* work. * It would work for me. *Can't speak for
Ed.

Jim

They can embed induction coils in the roadways so you can charge your
cars while driving too.

I think we get those 5 years after the too-cheap to meter nuclear power
plant generated electricity is used to power heating elements in the
roads to thaw any snow that falls on them.

I'd like to see gasoline cars do that! No
seriously... I'd like to be able to gas up my car while driving. That
would be pretty damn exciting!

Just buy a tanker truck and the parts used for air-to-air refueling and
put it all together.

That sure gives me a warm feeling. I doubt it will ever work. Think of the
EMF needed. Wipe out every floppy disk for miles around, and every cassette
tape, or reel to reel tape.

"dsi1" wrote in message
...

How about we just use induction charging. You just park over the pad
and you get out of the car and do nothing. Would that work? š¡ðŸš—

Right on both counts. Would be nice to use the wasted engine heat to warm
buildings, after running the steam turbine.


"dsi1" wrote in message
...

Heating stuff by running electricity through some wire is not an efficient
way to produce heat. It's more efficient to use the electricity to run
electric motors in a heat pump. At least, that's the way we heat water in
our building. Burning fuel in an internal combustion engine is not an
efficient way to produce rotary motion. Isn't most of it wasted heat?

Bummer. I'm getting younger. And, tomorrow I'll be needing a baba and a
nappy. Today I need a sippy cup, burp, and nap.

"dsi1" wrote in message
...
On 12/5/2011 5:44 AM, Harry K wrote:
???how is going to the gas station a big drag "these days" as opposed
to doing the same thing years ago? I see no difference today from 50
years ago except that now I have to pump my own gas.

Harry K

I'm getting older.

You should be careful, leaving yourself open with straight lines like that.
I'm really tempted. Honest, I am!

"dsi1" wrote in message
...



You got me... I deliberately left it ambiguous because I'm making an
effort to not sound like a sarcastic asshole all the time. How am I
doing? (-:

The military has that option on some air planes. I know, I saw it in a movie
once. Iron Eagle, was it?

"dsi1" wrote in message
...


They can embed induction coils in the roadways so you can charge your
cars while driving too. I'd like to see gasoline cars do that! No
seriously... I'd like to be able to gas up my car while driving. That
would be pretty damn exciting!

On Mon, 05 Dec 2011 14:47:05 -0500, Jim Elbrecht
wrote:

dsi1 wrote:

On Dec 5, 1:03Â*am, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

-snip-

I hate filling my own tank, especially in the winter. Â*I don't know
which is worse though. Â*If I had a stupid Volt, I'd have to plug it in
every night, then plug it in every day at work. Â*So, it is easier to
fill with gas once a week or plug and unplug 10 to 12 times a week?

How about we just use induction charging. You just park over the pad
and you get out of the car and do nothing. Would that work? ??

Do you mean 'Will it work?" -- or 'will it work for Ed?'?

I just saw this this morning on ZDNet-
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/green/6-hi...s-rivers;item0
http://preview.tinyurl.com/csep5q2

Commercial tests of a couple different systems will start in 2012.

So apparently it *will* work. It would work for me. Can't speak for
Ed.


My Oral-B electric toothbrush uses inductive charging.
It works.

--Vic.

On Mon, 05 Dec 2011 06:03:40 -0500, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On Mon, 05 Dec 2011 00:00:04 -1000, dsi1 wrote:

On 12/3/2011 4:02 AM, worker bee wrote:
On Sat, 03 Dec 2011 23:35:44 +1300, bugalugs wrote:
Why can't you fill your car at the gas station like everybody else???.

Other than the unexpected inspector visits, it's just so very much easier
to fill up once every two months at the filling station.

Not having to go to the gas station ever again is one of the great
appeals of all-electric cars. These days, going to the gas station is a
big drag.


I hate filling my own tank, especially in the winter. I don't know
which is worse though. If I had a stupid Volt, I'd have to plug it in
every night, then plug it in every day at work. So, it is easier to
fill with gas once a week or plug and unplug 10 to 12 times a week?

How about hanging up your key ring, or putting it in your pocket?
Pain in the ass, ain't it?
You don't have to plug your Volt in at work.
If your work round trip is beyond the the Volt range, you have choices
without plugging in at work.
1. Don't buy a Volt.
2. Let the IC engine kick in for part of the trip.

--Vic