On Oct 10, 1:36*am, Oren wrote:
On Sun, 9 Oct 2011 17:27:27 -0700, "Steve B"





wrote:

"Oren" wrote in message
.. .
On Sun, 9 Oct 2011 16:32:03 -0500, "HeyBub"
wrote:

They have destroyed America. Greed is short term.
You probeably will never recover. The Chinese and Russians are the
next big players.

The Russians and the Chinese are motivated by exactly what? Altruism?
Charity? Or possibly they've come to Jesus? Maybe they're just drunk?

The crowd awaits your insight, oh glorious one.

:I can't wait for this reply from harry. It ought to [be] a good one.



No, you waiting on Harry is a good one. *Thanks. *ROTFLMAO. *Quit, yer
killing me! *Someone make him STOPPPPPPPPPPPP! *PLEASE!

Steve

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All empires fail from within. The collapse will take a few years but
is inevitable. No empire has ever suceeded in recovering from it's
decline.The rats/wealthy will fight for scraps seeking to preserve
their positions with no regard to the less well off. There's gonna be
a "Winter of discontent". Probably a few of them.

It only remains to be seen whether it ends in chaos (Roman Empire) or
an orderly withdrawal (British Empire).
Which do you think it will be (given the amount of guns in America)?
Several people here have said they keep their guns to protect
themselves from their own government. I wonder how long they'll wait?
You will then be able to appreciate the real "benifits" of gun
ownership.

All hangs upon the Merkel woman. Because if things go tits up in
Euroland you can look out. And I don't see how it can be prevented
even in the short/medium term.

The Morman knows I speak the truth, he is stocking up with food (and
weapons)
But it won't help him unless he has an invulnarable castle too, (or he
emigrates).
I suppose his hierarchy will retreat to a trogodlytic existence in
their buried city near Salt Lake City.

New prediction, Hawaii will be the first to secede, followed by
Alaska.
Reverse order of accretion in fact.

On Oct 9, 12:59*pm, The Daring Dufas
wrote:
On 10/8/2011 2:42 AM, harry wrote:





On Oct 7, 7:38 pm, *wrote:
On Oct 7, 8:59 am, *wrote:

On Oct 7, 1:19 pm,
wrote: *On Oct 7, 2:50 am, *wrote:

Can hardly find a mention of it on American news channels.

Once again, the village idiot's grasp of the facts is exposed.
* It's been covered as one of the top stories for days here on
* CBS, NBC, ABC, Fox, CNN.....

No links then I see?

Google broken in your town?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wg9v3...atedhttp://www....

This is more interesting.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNuDPsE-oQI

Me, like most rational Americans have no problem with protests and
peaceful assemblies because we have a right to PEACEFUL assembly.
The problem comes in when the protest interferes with MY rights or
the rights of OTHERS. I wonder how Michael Moore would feel if a
group of ultra conservative people who don't like his films, decided
to block him from going about his lawful business. The band of useful
idiots for The Left who are running wild in the streets have no clue
how The Economy works and how the whole mess was caused by GOVERNMENT
interference with The Economy. The government can not create real jobs,
the government can only interfere and prevent the creation of real jobs.
Many businesses are holding on to their money because they have no idea
what our first and last Affirmative Action President and his minions
are going to do next to muck everything up. Businesses like people, vote
with their feet. If the government in one place interferes too much with
business, the business will go elsewhere to find a place with little or
no interference with their lawful activities. A good example
is anti-business California which is losing population and businesses
to states like Texas where a business can thrive without burdensome
government regulations and taxes. The cluster coitus known as The
Economy is in deep trouble for some very complicated reasons not easily
understood by the sheeple. The problem, as usual, is The Left pointing
the blame gun at the wrong target.

TDD- Hide quoted text -

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The problem arises in all governments when the politicians/wealthy
come to believe they have a "right" to their positions of power wealth
and that they are entitled to take any steps neccesary to maintain the
status quo.
This is when corruption sets in. They wil not relinquish these
"rights" without a struggle.

Government is about taxation and redistribution of resources. When
the wealthy get too wealthy, you no longer have democracy.
You haven't had democracy for years in America.

"harry" wrote in message
...
On Oct 9, 6:52 pm, aemeijers wrote:
On 10/8/2011 8:00 PM, HeyBub wrote:





Higgs Boson wrote:

Why throw me into the same garbage can where you just tossed the
protestors? You don't know anything about how I feel about the
protestors. You also don't know whether I voted for Obama, and if so,
why. It's silly to speculate that people voted for him to prove they
are not racists. That's a projection out of your limited mind.

I've felt that many DID vote for Obama to demonstrate they believe in a
post-racial society.

Regrettably, in the next election, voters will be unfairly blaming
blacks
when they should be blaming Democrats.

No, a lot of us voted for Obama (albeit reluctantly) because we didn't
want the Dingbat to be one frail heartbeat away from the oval office.
Obama was clearly a socialist, but we were hoping enough people in
Congress would actually do their jobs (what WERE we thinking?), that he
couldn't do too much harm in four years.

Sadly, given the announced candidates so far, it looks like he just may
avoid being another Jimmy Carter, and get himself a second term.

Standard disclaimer- I have absolutely no problem with a female POTUS.
But they have to have a few brain cells, and be able to speak in
coherent sentences. The same criteria I apply to male candidates.
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It was Bush and GOP that buggered up America. Forgotten already?
It will take decades tofix it. It may not even be possible.

Hey Harry,
Why don't you just butt out of the US situation and take care of jolly old
England instead?
We already have enough opinions from our own citizens and really don't need
alien meddlers
sticking their noses in our business.

On 10/10/2011 1:53 AM, harry wrote:
On Oct 9, 12:59 pm, The Daring
wrote:
On 10/8/2011 2:42 AM, harry wrote:





On Oct 7, 7:38 pm, wrote:
On Oct 7, 8:59 am, wrote:

On Oct 7, 1:19 pm,
wrote: On Oct 7, 2:50 am, wrote:

Can hardly find a mention of it on American news channels.

Once again, the village idiot's grasp of the facts is exposed.
It's been covered as one of the top stories for days here on
CBS, NBC, ABC, Fox, CNN.....

No links then I see?

Google broken in your town?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wg9v3...atedhttp://www....

This is more interesting.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNuDPsE-oQI

Me, like most rational Americans have no problem with protests and
peaceful assemblies because we have a right to PEACEFUL assembly.
The problem comes in when the protest interferes with MY rights or
the rights of OTHERS. I wonder how Michael Moore would feel if a
group of ultra conservative people who don't like his films, decided
to block him from going about his lawful business. The band of useful
idiots for The Left who are running wild in the streets have no clue
how The Economy works and how the whole mess was caused by GOVERNMENT
interference with The Economy. The government can not create real jobs,
the government can only interfere and prevent the creation of real jobs.
Many businesses are holding on to their money because they have no idea
what our first and last Affirmative Action President and his minions
are going to do next to muck everything up. Businesses like people, vote
with their feet. If the government in one place interferes too much with
business, the business will go elsewhere to find a place with little or
no interference with their lawful activities. A good example
is anti-business California which is losing population and businesses
to states like Texas where a business can thrive without burdensome
government regulations and taxes. The cluster coitus known as The
Economy is in deep trouble for some very complicated reasons not easily
understood by the sheeple. The problem, as usual, is The Left pointing
the blame gun at the wrong target.

TDD- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

The problem arises in all governments when the politicians/wealthy
come to believe they have a "right" to their positions of power wealth
and that they are entitled to take any steps neccesary to maintain the
status quo.
This is when corruption sets in. They wil not relinquish these
"rights" without a struggle.

Government is about taxation and redistribution of resources. When
the wealthy get too wealthy, you no longer have democracy.
You haven't had democracy for years in America.

The United States has never been a democracy, it has always been a
federal republic. Democracies always fail because the majority soon
realize that they can vote to take away all the money and stuff from
other people for themselves. That's why Democrats act the way they do.

TDD

The Daring Dufas wrote:

The United States has never been a democracy, it has always been a
federal republic. Democracies always fail because the majority soon
realize that they can vote to take away all the money and stuff from
other people for themselves. That's why Democrats act the way they do.


Right. Democracy is similar to three wolves and one sheep voting on what to
have for supper.

harry wrote:

I am omniscient compared with American retards. Did I not predict the
failure of the Iraq war a few of years back?

Giggle. The world has proved the opposite of your prediction.

Only now has your half
wit McCrystal admitted failure. So it has all been for nothing, while
the real (Saudi) culprits were allowed to escape.
Afghanistan will be an even bigger failure.

Our objective in Afghanistan is NOT to win, rather it is to not fail.


And I have also predicted the failure of the Arab spring, they will
get new despots (supported by the CIA).
As for the American spring, it too will fail. The protestors in Wall
Street (or rmost of them) will go home when it gets cold. Your
hierachy knows this and are waiting. They will move in then to
suppress whoever remains.

Sounds like a feasible plan to me.


Real desperation will set in when they see their families hungry and
cold this Winter. We might see a few prominent bankers assassinated
then
which can only be good.

The vast majority of Wall Street protesters don't HAVE a family.

And in the history of the world, the hungry and downtrodden poor have NEVER
risen up to abolish their existing government.

Consider those countries that had an institution of slavery, the U.S. being
one example. The slaves in these countries were freed, but not by their own
revolution. Freedom was always imposed from the outside; in the U.S. case by
the Second War of Independence, in many other places by the force of British
demands.

harry wrote:

All empires fail from within. The collapse will take a few years but
is inevitable. No empire has ever suceeded in recovering from it's
decline.The rats/wealthy will fight for scraps seeking to preserve
their positions with no regard to the less well off. There's gonna be
a "Winter of discontent". Probably a few of them.

Heh! It took the Roman Empire longer to fall than the United States has been
in existence. We have, by that measure, a couple of hundred years before the
end.

So, why are the Russians and Chinese being so aggressive in manufacturing
and trade?

The crowd holds its breath!

JimT wrote:

Foreign policy wise, Obama seems to have been a
better choice. It's not just me that thinks this:


Giggle.

Obama took no stand on events in Egypt, Iran, or Syria. He refused Taiwan's
request for military upgrades of its fighter force. He's shown impotence
against the Horn of Africa pirates. He's dissed Israel at every opportunity.
He sat on trade agreements with Columbia, Panama, and Peru (?) for three
years.

This latter has devastated our wheat exports.

No, foreign policy is not Obama's strong suit.

I'm glad at least one other person in the US realizes we've
never been a democracy, in the USA.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..


"The Daring Dufas" wrote in
message ...
On 10/10/2011 1:53 AM, harry wrote:

The problem arises in all governments when the
politicians/wealthy
come to believe they have a "right" to their positions of
power wealth
and that they are entitled to take any steps neccesary to
maintain the
status quo.
This is when corruption sets in. They wil not relinquish
these
"rights" without a struggle.

Government is about taxation and redistribution of
resources. When
the wealthy get too wealthy, you no longer have democracy.
You haven't had democracy for years in America.

The United States has never been a democracy, it has always
been a
federal republic. Democracies always fail because the
majority soon
realize that they can vote to take away all the money and
stuff from
other people for themselves. That's why Democrats act the
way they do.

TDD

"HeyBub" wrote in message
...
harry wrote:

All empires fail from within. The collapse will take a few years but
is inevitable. No empire has ever suceeded in recovering from it's
decline.The rats/wealthy will fight for scraps seeking to preserve
their positions with no regard to the less well off. There's gonna be
a "Winter of discontent". Probably a few of them.

Heh! It took the Roman Empire longer to fall than the United States has
been
in existence. We have, by that measure, a couple of hundred years before
the
end.

Uh oh! We're being HeyBubbed again!

Life and events in ancient Rome could move no faster than the speed of the
fastest horse. Things move quite a bit more quickly now. Total,
world-ending war could take place in just a few hours nowadays with nuclear
weapons. Your "measures" and extrapolations are both bogus. Life moves
much more quickly these days than in ancient Rome.

How long did the English Empire last? According to your metrics, it should
be still a healthy, powerful world entity. What we actually have is Harry
and Company. Not very much a threat to the world.

--
Bobby G.

On 10/10/2011 8:35 AM, HeyBub wrote:
harry wrote:

All empires fail from within. The collapse will take a few years but
is inevitable. No empire has ever suceeded in recovering from it's
decline.The rats/wealthy will fight for scraps seeking to preserve
their positions with no regard to the less well off. There's gonna be
a "Winter of discontent". Probably a few of them.

Heh! It took the Roman Empire longer to fall than the United States has been
in existence. We have, by that measure, a couple of hundred years before the
end.

So, why are the Russians and Chinese being so aggressive in manufacturing
and trade?

The crowd holds its breath!


They may be Communist (actually more like an oligarchy) within, but to
the outside world, they play the capitalist game increasingly well.
Don't think of them as countries- think of them as giant companies that
happen to own a lot of land. Much like the giant plantation
conglomerates from the colonial robber baron era, or several of the OPEC
states.

--
aem sends...

It was Bush and GOP that buggered up America. Forgotten already?
It will take decades tofix it. It may not even be possible.

Were you absent from history class, or smoking dope all during the class?

If the government would just get out of people's business (bedrooms, cars,
family life, workplaces, etc), I figure no more than a year or two for a
noticeable change, and a complete turn around in ten.

The Dems started screwing things up with their social problems solutions
that insured one did not have to work in order to have a decent life.

WHERE'S MAH CHECK!?

Steve

On Oct 10, 1:32*pm, "HeyBub" wrote:
harry wrote:

I am omniscient compared with American retards. *Did I not predict the
failure of the Iraq war a few of years back?

Giggle. The world has proved the opposite of your prediction.

Only now has your half
wit McCrystal admitted failure. *So it has all been for nothing, while
the real (Saudi) culprits were allowed to escape.
Afghanistan will be an even bigger failure.

Our objective in Afghanistan is NOT to win, rather it is to not fail.

And *I have also predicted the failure of the Arab spring, they will
get new despots (supported by the CIA).
As for the American spring, it too will fail. The protestors in Wall
Street (or rmost of them) will go home when it gets cold. *Your
hierachy knows this and are waiting. *They will move in then to
suppress whoever remains.

Sounds like a feasible plan to me.

Real desperation will set in when they see their families hungry and
cold this Winter. *We might see a few prominent bankers assassinated
then
which can only be good.

The vast majority of Wall Street protesters don't HAVE a family.

And in the history of the world, the hungry and downtrodden poor have NEVER
risen up to abolish their existing government.

Consider those countries that had an institution of slavery, the U.S. being
one example. The slaves in these countries were freed, but not by their own
revolution. Freedom was always imposed from the outside; in the U.S. case by
the Second War of Independence, in many other places by the force of British
demands.

Er Russia. Romania. East Germany. Viet Nam. Greece. Kosovo.
Pakistan.
All rose up against tyranny. As you will soon.

Your Indepenedence war was just so rich people didn't have to pay
taxes as I have frequently pointed out. Nothing to do with "freedom".

On Oct 10, 1:35*pm, "HeyBub" wrote:
harry wrote:

All empires fail from within. The collapse will take a few years but
is inevitable. *No empire has ever *suceeded in recovering from it's
decline.The rats/wealthy will fight for scraps seeking to preserve
their positions with no regard to the less well off. *There's gonna be
a "Winter of discontent". Probably a few of them.

Heh! It took the Roman Empire longer to fall than the United States has been
in existence. We have, by that measure, a couple of hundred years before the
end.

So, why are the Russians and Chinese being so aggressive in manufacturing
and trade?

The crowd holds its breath!

Economic warfare. Totally successful too. They have destroyed your
economy. They sussed out that your own greed and aquisitivness would
be your downfall. They produced cheap crap from their slave labour
factories and you bought whilst your own industry went to the wall.
Hung byyour own petard is the expression.

On Oct 10, 1:41*pm, "HeyBub" wrote:
JimT wrote:

*Foreign policy wise, Obama seems to have been a
better choice. It's not just me that thinks this:

Giggle.

Obama took no stand on events in Egypt, Iran, or Syria. He refused Taiwan's
request for military upgrades of its fighter force. He's shown impotence
against the Horn of Africa pirates. He's dissed Israel at every opportunity.
He sat on trade agreements with Columbia, Panama, and Peru (?) for three
years.

This latter has devastated our wheat exports.

No, foreign policy is not Obama's strong suit.


America has never had a foriegn policy. They just assume that what
goes for America is OK for everywhere else.

On 10/10/2011 7:41 AM, HeyBub wrote:
JimT wrote:
Foreign policy wise, Obama seems to have been a
better choice. It's not just me that thinks this:

Giggle.

Obama took no stand on events in Egypt, Iran, or Syria. He refused Taiwan's
request for military upgrades of its fighter force. He's shown impotence
against the Horn of Africa pirates. He's dissed Israel...snip

I guess that's why Netanyahu likes Obama too. You seem to be clueless
wearing that teabaggers hat.

http://content.usatoday.com/communit...om-netanyahu/1

On 10/10/2011 11:01 AM, harry wrote:
On Oct 10, 1:41 pm, wrote:
JimT wrote:

Foreign policy wise, Obama seems to have been a
better choice. It's not just me that thinks this:
Giggle.

Obama took no stand on events in Egypt, Iran, or Syria. He refused Taiwan's
request for military upgrades of its fighter force. He's shown impotence
against the Horn of Africa pirates. He's dissed Israel at every opportunity.
He sat on trade agreements with Columbia, Panama, and Peru (?) for three
years.

This latter has devastated our wheat exports.

No, foreign policy is not Obama's strong suit.

UK has never had a foriegn policy. They just assume that what
goes for America is OK for everywhere else.


Uh...don't you have enough problems of your own to worry about?

I'll be over there next month visiting. Staying in Kensington for three
days. I get to see first hand the Shangri La you live in.

On Oct 10, 3:29*pm, aemeijers wrote:
On 10/10/2011 8:35 AM, HeyBub wrote:



harry wrote:

All empires fail from within. The collapse will take a few years but
is inevitable. *No empire has ever *suceeded in recovering from it's
decline.The rats/wealthy will fight for scraps seeking to preserve
their positions with no regard to the less well off. *There's gonna be
a "Winter of discontent". Probably a few of them.

Heh! It took the Roman Empire longer to fall than the United States has been
in existence. We have, by that measure, a couple of hundred years before the
end.

So, why are the Russians and Chinese being so aggressive in manufacturing
and trade?

The crowd holds its breath!

They may be Communist (actually more like an oligarchy) within, but to
the outside world, they play the capitalist game increasingly well.
Don't think of them as countries- think of them as giant companies that
happen to own a lot of land. Much like the giant plantation
conglomerates from the colonial robber baron era, or several of the OPEC
states.

--
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The commies done you a favour. Whilst they existed, the middle
classes did OK.
Before communism, the blue collar workers had to eat ****.
While it existed, the rich were afraid of a workers revolution.
The moment they fell from favour/USSR disappeared, the rich started
robbing the workers again. You are back tothe 19th century.

So don't run them down, you owe them a lot. You may need to turn to a
similar system in America.

On Oct 10, 3:51*pm, "Steve B" wrote:
It was Bush and GOP that buggered up America. Forgotten already?
It will take decades tofix it. It may not even be possible.

Were you absent from history class, or smoking dope all during the class?

If the government would just get out of people's business (bedrooms, cars,
family life, workplaces, etc), I figure no more than a year or two for a
noticeable change, and a complete turn around in ten.

The Dems started screwing things up with their social problems solutions
that insured one did not have to work in order to have a decent life.

WHERE'S MAH CHECK!?

Steve

It was the failure of the government to intervene that got you where
you are now.

On Oct 10, 5:08*pm, Jim T wrote:
On 10/10/2011 11:01 AM, harry wrote:





On Oct 10, 1:41 pm, *wrote:
JimT wrote:

* Foreign policy wise, Obama seems to have been a
better choice. It's not just me that thinks this:
Giggle.

Obama took no stand on events in Egypt, Iran, or Syria. He refused Taiwan's
request for military upgrades of its fighter force. He's shown impotence
against the Horn of Africa pirates. He's dissed Israel at every opportunity.
He sat on trade agreements with Columbia, Panama, and Peru (?) for three
years.

This latter has devastated our wheat exports.

No, foreign policy is not Obama's strong suit.

UK has never had a foriegn policy. They just assume that what
goes for America is OK for everywhere else.

Uh...don't you have enough problems of your own to worry about?

I'll be over there next month visiting. Staying in Kensington for three
days. I get to see first hand the Shangri La you live in.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Well Kensington ia quite nice. (I'm told) Be sure not to go to the
East end.

On 10/10/2011 10:16 AM, Robert Green wrote:
wrote in message
...
harry wrote:

All empires fail from within. The collapse will take a few years but
is inevitable. No empire has ever suceeded in recovering from it's
decline.The rats/wealthy will fight for scraps seeking to preserve
their positions with no regard to the less well off. There's gonna be
a "Winter of discontent". Probably a few of them.

Heh! It took the Roman Empire longer to fall than the United States has
been
in existence. We have, by that measure, a couple of hundred years before
the
end.

Uh oh! We're being HeyBubbed again!

Sometimes I get the impression that "Heybub" is capable of providing
valuable comments and useful information. It just seems he chooses never
to do it for some reason...


Life and events in ancient Rome could move no faster than the speed of the
fastest horse. Things move quite a bit more quickly now. Total,
world-ending war could take place in just a few hours nowadays with nuclear
weapons. Your "measures" and extrapolations are both bogus. Life moves
much more quickly these days than in ancient Rome.

How long did the English Empire last? According to your metrics, it should
be still a healthy, powerful world entity. What we actually have is Harry
and Company. Not very much a threat to the world.

--
Bobby G.

On Mon, 10 Oct 2011 08:54:45 -0700 (PDT), harry
wrote:

Your Indepenedence war was just so rich people didn't have to pay
taxes as I have frequently pointed out. Nothing to do with "freedom".

Somebody give harry a nudge. He's stuck on stupid again.

On Mon, 10 Oct 2011 09:10:32 -0700 (PDT), harry
wrote:

On Oct 10, 3:51*pm, "Steve B" wrote:
It was Bush and GOP that buggered up America. Forgotten already?
It will take decades tofix it. It may not even be possible.

Were you absent from history class, or smoking dope all during the class?

If the government would just get out of people's business (bedrooms, cars,
family life, workplaces, etc), I figure no more than a year or two for a
noticeable change, and a complete turn around in ten.

The Dems started screwing things up with their social problems solutions
that insured one did not have to work in order to have a decent life.

WHERE'S MAH CHECK!?

Steve

It was the failure of the government to intervene that got you where
you are now.

Wrong again, harry. Government is the problem, not the solution.

I think it was Nancy Pelosi that proclaimed she was ready to
"govern". Not a word from her mouth about "representing" the people.

On Mon, 10 Oct 2011 07:41:43 -0500, "HeyBub"
wrote:

No, foreign policy is not Obama's strong suit.

Nor is domestic policy.

On Oct 10, 12:31*pm, George wrote:
On 10/10/2011 10:16 AM, Robert Green wrote:
*wrote:

Heh! It took the Roman Empire longer to fall than the United States has
been in existence. We have, by that measure, a couple of hundred
years before the end.

Uh oh! *We're being HeyBubbed again!

Life and events in ancient Rome could move no faster than the speed of the
fastest horse. *Things move quite a bit more quickly now. *Total,
world-ending war could take place in just a few hours nowadays with nuclear
weapons. *Your "measures" and extrapolations are both bogus. *Life moves
much more quickly these days than in ancient Rome.

How long did the English Empire last? *According to your metrics, it should
be still a healthy, powerful world entity. *What we actually have is Harry
and Company. *Not very much a threat to the world.

I am not quite so sure of that. We could all easily be buried six
feet deep with the amount of bull**** he spews. Looking on the bright
side, I guess it saves his colon a lot of work.

Sometimes I get the impression that "Heybub" is capable of providing
valuable comments and useful information. It just seems he chooses never
to do it for some reason...

Ditto the sentiment.*

R

* Even if I have to correct top-posting to make the conversation
understandable.

On Oct 10, 2:26*pm, Oren wrote:
On Mon, 10 Oct 2011 09:10:32 -0700 (PDT), harry
wrote:









On Oct 10, 3:51*pm, "Steve B" wrote:
It was Bush and GOP that buggered up America. Forgotten already?
It will take decades tofix it. It may not even be possible.

Were you absent from history class, or smoking dope all during the class?

If the government would just get out of people's business (bedrooms, cars,
family life, workplaces, etc), I figure no more than a year or two for a
noticeable change, and a complete turn around in ten.

The Dems started screwing things up with their social problems solutions
that insured one did not have to work in order to have a decent life.

WHERE'S MAH CHECK!?

Steve

It was the failure of the government to intervene that got you where
you are now.

Wrong again, harry. Government is the problem, not the solution.

I think it was Nancy Pelosi *that proclaimed she was ready to
"govern". Not a word from her mouth about "representing" the people.

Oren...? Hee Haw is fomenting dissent. It is what he attempts to do,
and apparently his sole reason for existing. In England they call
such obnoxious people a "mixer" - they just like to stir up trouble.
Long ago they stopped listening to him in his own country, so he felt
he had to take his act on the road.

Can't we just agree that he's a horse's ass and let it go at that? No
disrespect to your horse if you happen to own one. Thanks.

R

"harry" wrote

I go to the dentist for free. I have all my teeth. Have you?

You may not pay directly, but it certainly is not free.

On 10/10/2011 3:10 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

"harry" wrote

I go to the dentist for free. I have all my teeth. Have you?

You may not pay directly, but it certainly is not free.

NOTHING is free. Somebody somewhere has to pay.

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On Mon, 10 Oct 2011 11:18:56 -0700, Oren wrote:

On Mon, 10 Oct 2011 08:54:45 -0700 (PDT), harry
wrote:

Your Indepenedence war was just so rich people didn't have to pay
taxes as I have frequently pointed out. Nothing to do with "freedom".

Somebody give harry a nudge. He's stuck on stupid again.

He's got the whole series.

On 10/10/11 03:31 pm, aemeijers wrote:

I go to the dentist for free. I have all my teeth. Have you?

You may not pay directly, but it certainly is not free.

NOTHING is free. Somebody somewhere has to pay.

I am sure that everybody realizes that there is a cost -- but the cost
is spread over the whole community. Nobody in the UK (or in a multitude
of other nations) is bankrupted by doctors' or hospital bills.

Perce

On 10/10/2011 6:11 PM, Percival P. Cassidy wrote:
On 10/10/11 03:31 pm, aemeijers wrote:

I go to the dentist for free. I have all my teeth. Have you?

You may not pay directly, but it certainly is not free.

NOTHING is free. Somebody somewhere has to pay.

I am sure that everybody realizes that there is a cost -- but the cost
is spread over the whole community. Nobody in the UK (or in a multitude
of other nations) is bankrupted by doctors' or hospital bills.

Perce

Think mebbe that is why medical costs have risen so absurdly high, much
faster than inflation? Because everyone treats it like it is 'free'?
(Even in US, where the patient almost never gets billed directly.) And
the medical industry therefore knows they can get away with it?

Nah, that couldn't be it.

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On Mon, 10 Oct 2011 18:34:53 -0400, aemeijers wrote:

On 10/10/2011 6:11 PM, Percival P. Cassidy wrote:
On 10/10/11 03:31 pm, aemeijers wrote:

I go to the dentist for free. I have all my teeth. Have you?

You may not pay directly, but it certainly is not free.

NOTHING is free. Somebody somewhere has to pay.

I am sure that everybody realizes that there is a cost -- but the cost
is spread over the whole community. Nobody in the UK (or in a multitude
of other nations) is bankrupted by doctors' or hospital bills.

Perce

Think mebbe that is why medical costs have risen so absurdly high, much
faster than inflation? Because everyone treats it like it is 'free'?
(Even in US, where the patient almost never gets billed directly.) And
the medical industry therefore knows they can get away with it?

Nah, that couldn't be it.

Same deal with college education. Just borrow whatever it costs. French
History from 1200-1299, sounds like a career! Pay it back? Don't worry. Be
happy.

On Oct 7, 10:59*am, harry wrote:
On Oct 7, 1:19*pm, "
wrote: On Oct 7, 2:50*am, harry wrote:

Can hardly find a mention of it on American news channels.

Once again, the village idiot's grasp of the facts is exposed.
*It's been covered as one of the top stories for days here on
*CBS, NBC, ABC, Fox, CNN.....

No links then I see?

What? You too damn lazy to turn on the TV or do a simple Google that
a 3 year old could do?

Typical of those who want to sponge off of everyone else.

On Oct 9, 1:28*pm, harry wrote:
On Oct 9, 12:59*pm, The Daring Dufas
wrote:





On 10/8/2011 2:42 AM, harry wrote:

On Oct 7, 7:38 pm, *wrote:
On Oct 7, 8:59 am, *wrote:

On Oct 7, 1:19 pm,
wrote: *On Oct 7, 2:50 am, *wrote:

Can hardly find a mention of it on American news channels.

Once again, the village idiot's grasp of the facts is exposed.
* It's been covered as one of the top stories for days here on
* CBS, NBC, ABC, Fox, CNN.....

No links then I see?

Google broken in your town?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wg9v3...atedhttp://www....

This is more interesting.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNuDPsE-oQI

Me, like most rational Americans have no problem with protests and
peaceful assemblies because we have a right to PEACEFUL assembly.
The problem comes in when the protest interferes with MY rights or
the rights of OTHERS. I wonder how Michael Moore would feel if a
group of ultra conservative people who don't like his films, decided
to block him from going about his lawful business. The band of useful
idiots for The Left who are running wild in the streets have no clue
how The Economy works and how the whole mess was caused by GOVERNMENT
interference with The Economy. The government can not create real jobs,
the government can only interfere and prevent the creation of real jobs..
Many businesses are holding on to their money because they have no idea
what our first and last Affirmative Action President and his minions
are going to do next to muck everything up. Businesses like people, vote
with their feet. If the government in one place interferes too much with
business, the business will go elsewhere to find a place with little or
no interference with their lawful activities. A good example
is anti-business California which is losing population and businesses
to states like Texas where a business can thrive without burdensome
government regulations and taxes. The cluster coitus known as The
Economy is in deep trouble for some very complicated reasons not easily
understood by the sheeple. The problem, as usual, is The Left pointing
the blame gun at the wrong target.

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The government is in the pockets of big business and the wealthy. That
is what they are beefing about. Politicians are bought, they are not
elected, they buy their places thanks to a brainwashed electorate.
The firstthingyou need to do is stop lobbying and stop politicians
from getting money from industry, commerce and *private individuals to
finance their election campaigns.

The nation exists for the benifit of the majority not the hierarchy.
You are returning to monarchy, theonly difference being a new one is
installed every few years.
In fact you never left monarchy. *Your "independence" *was only so
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TOTAL BULL****! Just a bunch of whiners who are too damn lazy to get
out there and do it for themselves.

On Oct 10, 1:53*am, harry wrote:
On Oct 9, 12:59*pm, The Daring Dufas
wrote:





On 10/8/2011 2:42 AM, harry wrote:

On Oct 7, 7:38 pm, *wrote:
On Oct 7, 8:59 am, *wrote:

On Oct 7, 1:19 pm,
wrote: *On Oct 7, 2:50 am, *wrote:

Can hardly find a mention of it on American news channels.

Once again, the village idiot's grasp of the facts is exposed.
* It's been covered as one of the top stories for days here on
* CBS, NBC, ABC, Fox, CNN.....

No links then I see?

Google broken in your town?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wg9v3...atedhttp://www....

This is more interesting.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNuDPsE-oQI

Me, like most rational Americans have no problem with protests and
peaceful assemblies because we have a right to PEACEFUL assembly.
The problem comes in when the protest interferes with MY rights or
the rights of OTHERS. I wonder how Michael Moore would feel if a
group of ultra conservative people who don't like his films, decided
to block him from going about his lawful business. The band of useful
idiots for The Left who are running wild in the streets have no clue
how The Economy works and how the whole mess was caused by GOVERNMENT
interference with The Economy. The government can not create real jobs,
the government can only interfere and prevent the creation of real jobs..
Many businesses are holding on to their money because they have no idea
what our first and last Affirmative Action President and his minions
are going to do next to muck everything up. Businesses like people, vote
with their feet. If the government in one place interferes too much with
business, the business will go elsewhere to find a place with little or
no interference with their lawful activities. A good example
is anti-business California which is losing population and businesses
to states like Texas where a business can thrive without burdensome
government regulations and taxes. The cluster coitus known as The
Economy is in deep trouble for some very complicated reasons not easily
understood by the sheeple. The problem, as usual, is The Left pointing
the blame gun at the wrong target.

TDD- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

The problem arises in all governments when the politicians/wealthy
come to believe they have a "right" to their positions of power wealth
and that they are entitled to take any steps neccesary to maintain the
status quo.
This is when corruption sets in. *They wil not relinquish these
"rights" without a struggle.

Government is about taxation and redistribution of resources. *When
the wealthy get too wealthy, you no longer have democracy.
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You have that totally and completely backwards!

When the government undertakes to redistribute the wealth from those
who earn it and generate it to those who sit on their lazy ass and
demand more for nothing...that is the end of democracy.

harry wrote:

Consider those countries that had an institution of slavery, the
U.S. being one example. The slaves in these countries were freed,
but not by their own revolution. Freedom was always imposed from the
outside; in the U.S. case by the Second War of Independence, in many
other places by the force of British demands.

Er Russia. Romania. East Germany. Viet Nam. Greece. Kosovo.
Pakistan.
All rose up against tyranny. As you will soon.


Giggle.

The October Revolution was a German fifth-column plot to take Russia out of
the war.

Romania didn't have slaves.

There was no rebellion in East Germany. It fell from political pressures.

Viet Nam, Greece, Kosovo, I don't know.

Pakistan - Double Giggle. It came into existence, not from any rebellion,
but from the largess of Great Britain.


Your Indepenedence war was just so rich people didn't have to pay
taxes as I have frequently pointed out. Nothing to do with "freedom".

So what? I was talking about the SECOND War of Independence. In my part of
the country we call it the "recent unplesantness."

Robert Green wrote:

Heh! It took the Roman Empire longer to fall than the United States
has been in existence. We have, by that measure, a couple of hundred
years before the end.

Uh oh! We're being HeyBubbed again!

I get my information off of the internet!

"This slow decline occurred over a period of approximately 320 years,
culminating on September 4, 476, when Romulus Augustus, the last Emperor of
the Western Roman Empire, was deposed by Odoacer, a Germanic chieftain."


Life and events in ancient Rome could move no faster than the speed
of the fastest horse. Things move quite a bit more quickly now.
Total, world-ending war could take place in just a few hours nowadays
with nuclear weapons. Your "measures" and extrapolations are both
bogus. Life moves much more quickly these days than in ancient Rome.

A knife thrust into the belly of the emperor is considerably faster than the
fastest horse, even faster than the internet.


How long did the English Empire last? According to your metrics, it
should be still a healthy, powerful world entity.

Huh? I didn't say that or even intimate it.

What we actually have is Harry and Company. Not very much a threat to the
world.

harry wrote:
On Oct 10, 1:35 pm, "HeyBub" wrote:
harry wrote:

All empires fail from within. The collapse will take a few years but
is inevitable. No empire has ever suceeded in recovering from it's
decline.The rats/wealthy will fight for scraps seeking to preserve
their positions with no regard to the less well off. There's gonna
be a "Winter of discontent". Probably a few of them.

Heh! It took the Roman Empire longer to fall than the United States
has been in existence. We have, by that measure, a couple of hundred
years before the end.

So, why are the Russians and Chinese being so aggressive in
manufacturing and trade?

The crowd holds its breath!

Economic warfare. Totally successful too. They have destroyed your
economy. They sussed out that your own greed and aquisitivness would
be your downfall. They produced cheap crap from their slave labour
factories and you bought whilst your own industry went to the wall.
Hung byyour own petard is the expression.

So they do what they do because they don't like us. I guess that's a good a
reason as any.

Still, I thought the Chinese were famous for taking the long view. If they
destroy the U.S., they destroy the source of their power. Seems rather
short-sighted.

But you know the Chinese mind best...

harry wrote:
On Oct 10, 1:41 pm, "HeyBub" wrote:
JimT wrote:

Foreign policy wise, Obama seems to have been a
better choice. It's not just me that thinks this:

Giggle.

Obama took no stand on events in Egypt, Iran, or Syria. He refused
Taiwan's request for military upgrades of its fighter force. He's
shown impotence against the Horn of Africa pirates. He's dissed
Israel at every opportunity. He sat on trade agreements with
Columbia, Panama, and Peru (?) for three years.

This latter has devastated our wheat exports.

No, foreign policy is not Obama's strong suit.


America has never had a foriegn policy. They just assume that what
goes for America is OK for everywhere else.

Well, it is. Oh, there might be minor adjustments - such as the color of the
nation's flag - but, in the main, our way is demonstrably better than the
conditions in most of the world.

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aemeijers wrote:


Think mebbe that is why medical costs have risen so absurdly high, much
faster than inflation? Because everyone treats it like it is 'free'?
(Even in US, where the patient almost never gets billed directly.) And
the medical industry therefore knows they can get away with it?

Nah, that couldn't be it.

I think most of this is plain old supply and demand. The heavy
subsidy of the out-of-pocket expenses by others increases the demand.
You can't go out and build a doc in a day or two and other barriers to
admission serve to keep a lid on supply. Viola (or maybe violin) you
have inflation.

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