On Oct 12, 4:42*am, "Robert Green" wrote:
"HeyBub" wrote in message

...

harry wrote:

I am omniscient compared with American retards. *Did I not predict the
failure of the Iraq war a few of years back?

Gee Harry, *I chastised Chet for his insulting style. *Now it's your turn.
Insulting people won't make them see the truth, it will only harden their
opposition. *"Retards" is offensive in many dimensions. *Why not try taking
the high road? *I realize you're the butt of many a joke, but you do tend to
invite them. *It makes it hard to agree with you, even when you're right.

On Oct 12, 4:43*am, "Robert Green" wrote:
"HeyBub" wrote in message

...

harry wrote:
Only now has your half
wit McCrystal admitted failure. *So it has all been for nothing, while
the real (Saudi) culprits were allowed to escape.
Afghanistan will be an even bigger failure.

Our objective in Afghanistan is NOT to win, rather it is to not fail.

We're being HeyBubbed again! *"Not failing" is double-talk and a pretty
****-poor objective for the world's most powerful army. *It stinks mightily
of sour grapes and moving the goal posts once we discovered we could never
reach them. *It's a lesson we should have learned in Vietnam. *Clinton,
despite his multitude of faults, *apparently knew enough to pull out of
Somalia when it became clear we were unwelcome and that we were unlikely to
reach a successful outcome. *Bush, unfortunately, was not as smart and
squandered our blood and treasure trying to build Muslim democracies that by
your own admission elsewhere are doomed to failure. *So why bother? *What
did we gain from fighting those wars?

Those allegedly great economic numbers you love to spout about the Bush
presidency came about from MASSIVE public deficit spending on two wars and
the building of an entirely new security "empire." * Bush spent tax dollars
on foreign expeditions that yielded no treasure. *At least the Romans had
enough brains to loot their victims to pay for their military incursions.
China's now getting Iraqi's recovering oil production. *They paid attention
to business while our alleged free market worshippers got mired knee-deep in
war.

Ironically, that orgy of megadollars was the kind of public spending
Republicans are now *determined* to contain. *"Sure we can empty the
country's treasury killing people and destroying a country, but HELP OUR
OWN?" *Sadly, I now believe their goal is to keep us in stagnation and
debtt. *Hell, they MADE us insolvent with their wars. *Now they want the
country to suffer for political gain and that will become clear in the next
year as the OWS protests provide a focus for discussion of how we got into
this mess. *The Republicans know it was massive war and security spending
along with Wall St. fraud that kept our economy afloat during those years as
our real jobs (and treasure) fled offshore to China and India. *They didn't
care until they lost the presidency.

I still find it odd that back then the "fiscal conservatives" that have
their collective panties in a bunch now didn't make one peep about the
trillions being spent prosecuting the wrong countries for the 9/11 attack..
Then they pumped billions into the TSA when it was obvious all that was
really needed was to lock the freaking cabin doors like our Israeli allies
did 20+ years ago. *No stinkin' Muslim terrorist is EVER going to be able to
use our jetliners as missiles again. *American passengers will see to that.

I think this will be the year that people realize that it's not Obama's
fault we're still in the crapper. *The bills for *their* unconscionable
spending orgy have come due, the Republican hawks that pushed for our
wasteful wars are looking VERY hard for someone else to blame for their
excesses. *Typical.

And *I have also predicted the failure of the Arab spring, they will
get new despots (supported by the CIA).

Who do you think started Arab Spring? *It was easy. *Those countries had
lots of educated young people who couldn't find jobs. *The pattern has been
thus for many revolutions/revolts/rebellions in the world.

As for the American spring, it too will fail. The protestors in Wall
Street (or most of them) will go home when it gets cold.

I am not so sure if only because more and more people don't have homes to go
to. *Banks are holding rather huge inventories of empty or soon to be empty
housing. *I believe we didn't *really* prevent the Next Great Depression.

On Oct 13, 3:26*am, "HeyBub" wrote:
RicodJour wrote:
On Oct 12, 11:56 am, Red Green wrote:

Speculate may ass. They openly admit it. You can't believe how f'n
stupid bleeding hearts are. You can't. You have no personal exposure
to it.

Merely asking a question, but would you prefer a bleeding heart to
someone without one at all?

Of course not. In the 13th Century, Maimonides tabulated the types of
charity. The most meritorious form, in his mind, was to loan a deserving
person sufficient money for that person to start his own business.

We see the equivalent of that in the "micro-loan" theme in many developing
countries. It seems to be working well.

No it isn't.

On Oct 12, 4:42*am, "Robert Green" wrote:
"HeyBub" wrote in message

...

harry wrote:

I am omniscient compared with American retards. *Did I not predict the
failure of the Iraq war a few of years back?

Gee Harry, *I chastised Chet for his insulting style. *Now it's your turn.
Insulting people won't make them see the truth, it will only harden their
opposition. *"Retards" is offensive in many dimensions. *Why not try taking
the high road? *I realize you're the butt of many a joke, but you do tend to
invite them. *It makes it hard to agree with you, even when you're right.

You mean the Woodstock of the 10's crowd that hasn't had a
shower in weeks, and has been in close association with all
the other unwashed types? I can see some truth to what you
write.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
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"HeyBub" wrote in message
m...
Stormin Mormon wrote:
No worries about the quality. Better than my phone. I was
interested, at how tightly packed the people are. Fertile
grounds for pick pockets.



Yuck!

I sure wouldn't put MY hand in one of THEIR pockets.

On 10/12/2011 7:07 PM, Higgs Boson wrote:
On Oct 12, 5:00 pm, The Daring
wrote:
On 10/11/2011 8:44 PM, RicodJour wrote:









On Oct 11, 8:53 pm, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:

I've heard that the official tax rates in socialist
countries can be a bit extreme. As to the hard working
Germans propping up the alcohol guzzling Italians. A few
years, and then the Germans will declare "Nein! Halt!" and
the free ride will come to a stop.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ol_consumption

Refusing to see your bias is an intellectual and moral failing.
Luckily you're on a first name basis with Jesus and the other
prophets, so you'll probably skate. It's still a failing.

R

I noticed the Muslim countries were at the bottom of the list. No wonder
they're angry all the time and want to keel you. Perhaps we
could get them all to put pot in their water pipes, it might calm
them down? ^_^

TDD

Some (many?) of them already do. Look up "kif".

HB

I was thinking hash comes from that part of the world too. Perhaps our
government should develop a tranquilizer bomb instead of nukes to drop
on them. ^_^

TDD

Robert Green wrote:

Giggle. The world has proved the opposite of your prediction.

OMG! Heybubbing Alert! WHAT!!??? Do *you* think that Iraq was a
success? By what measures? We won two entire world wars in far less
time, one against two enemies at once. Is Al-Qaeda tougher than Tojo
and Hitler combined that it's taking so long with so few victories?

The likelihood is that all the people who helped us as translators
and such in Iraqi will be killed with power drills and hammers once
we leave because we can't even stop their murders with a full
military occupation force. Our mission was to find WMD's and we did
not. We failed to accomplish the one single goal on which the whole
disaster was founded upon. That's not a win in any military sense
that I know about.

Uh, yeah, we won. We defeated the Iraqi military which, at the time, was the
fourth largest in the world. We defeated them on their own turf.

As for the WMDs, absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. There may
not have been any WMDs, but that's impossible to prove.




Not only did we fail in that goal, we've failed in a number of other
dimensions. We wasted ENORMOUS amounts of our tax dollars helping
Muslims. That's an odd thing to do considering what their fanatics
did to us on 9/11, don't you think? Why are we building THEM new
dams, power plants and schools when our own people go without? If
that's winning, what does losing look like?

Why? Simple. We want to do so. Why are we not building dams and schools and
such here? Again simple. Because we don't want to.

On 10/11/2011 9:47 PM, RicodJour wrote:
On Oct 11, 12:20 pm, wrote:
On Oct 11, "Stormin wrote:

Is it true? Moments ago, on the Laura Ingraham show (Tues
Oct 11, 2011, about 9:20 AM) she commented that the Wall
Street crowd was creating a sanitation and personal refuse
and body waste problem.

I call bull**** on that, particularly the body waste part. I still
haven't made my way over to the park on my bike to see what's going on
for myself, but I promise I will and I'll let you know the situation.
I won't be playing any of the Red State v Blue State games. I'll just
tell you what I see. Good, bad and indifferent.

Yep, as I expected the Laura Ingraham report is total bull****. The
idea that people that value the environment would let the filth
accumulate pegged the BS meter at 11. These are the people that would
crap in a plastic bag and compost it, so I knew that we were being fed
more disinformation. So I went, and here's what I saw.

Not much. There was no buildup of filth, there was no disruption of
any kind. There was a bigger pile of trash outside a pizza place a
few blocks away, and even that was neatly bagged and placed at the
curb.

You can see that they've set up a recycling station, and the young
woman in the photo was sorting and bundling. There's a large
recycling container in the picture. She said that they've organized a
private pickup of the refuse and recycling.

A lot of the cardboard was used for making signs by some of the
people, and it looked like some of the more entrepreneurial people in
the park appeared to be using the cardboard to make art for sale.

The woman in the photo told me that they were using the bathrooms in
the local places, and there had been talk about getting some
composting toilets, but there was also talk about raising money to pay
some of those same local places for using their restrooms.

You can see in another photo that they have cleaning supplies and a
sign that they were cleaning up Wall Street - the subway station.

There were literally hundreds if not thousands of signs. Some were
silly, "Glen Beck is a **** stain" and others were more on target, as
seen in the photo of the Thomas Jefferson quote sign, and in another
picture, "The first time I served my country I was a paratrooper.
This time I am a revolutionary."

The people were of course well represented by the young, but there
were quite a few middle aged people and some older people, too. Photo
of the guy wearing the Vietnam Vet cap.

About a quarter of the people were spectators, but not idle
spectators. They were talking to the people in the park, and going
around photographing them.

The cops were just standing there. I talked to a couple. One about a
nifty elevated observation post that's on a trailer. A cross between
a scissor lift and a cherry picker, with an enclosed ~6' square room
that could get up about 30'. It had surveillance cameras on all sides
and a weather station on top. I want one.

Your average NY parade is far rowdier than the crowd in that park, and
there was nothing anywhere near the stuff that goes on at a St.
Patrick's Day parade, Halloween parade or anything of that sort. No
rowdiness, no raised voices, no sense of anything out of the
ordinary. It felt like a street fair. There was some drumming going
on, but a cop said that the people in the park stopped drumming at 11
PM.

There was a 'library' set up with a slew of books. I did not get
close enough to see what the books were about. Most of the people
holding signs were on the avenue, and those people were holding signs
that had a wide variety of messages. It wasn't clear if people were
taking turns holding signs, if those people were just trying to get on
camera, or what.

The people in the center of the park had set up camp and had the usual
camping stuff, but I did not see any tents. It just seemed to be
sleeping bags and blue poly tarps. There was a 'kitchen' set up in
the middle of the park, and a bunch of people eating off of paper
plates. There were also a lot of stainless food carts along the
southern street - everything from Smoothies to coffee to felafels and
a bunch more I didn't see up close.

http://img189.imageshack.us/slidesho...mg4378copy.jpg

R

I'm glad to see the protesters cleaning up after themselves because that
has not always been the case in the past. I think the message
about not making a mess got through to the activists. ^_^

TDD

On 10/12/2011 1:41 AM, harry wrote:
On Oct 12, 3:47 am, wrote:
On Oct 11, 12:20 pm, wrote:

On Oct 11, "Stormin wrote:

Is it true? Moments ago, on the Laura Ingraham show (Tues
Oct 11, 2011, about 9:20 AM) she commented that the Wall
Street crowd was creating a sanitation and personal refuse
and body waste problem.

I call bull**** on that, particularly the body waste part. I still
haven't made my way over to the park on my bike to see what's going on
for myself, but I promise I will and I'll let you know the situation.
I won't be playing any of the Red State v Blue State games. I'll just
tell you what I see. Good, bad and indifferent.

Yep, as I expected the Laura Ingraham report is total bull****. The
idea that people that value the environment would let the filth
accumulate pegged the BS meter at 11. These are the people that would
crap in a plastic bag and compost it, so I knew that we were being fed
more disinformation. So I went, and here's what I saw.

Not much. There was no buildup of filth, there was no disruption of
any kind. There was a bigger pile of trash outside a pizza place a
few blocks away, and even that was neatly bagged and placed at the
curb.

You can see that they've set up a recycling station, and the young
woman in the photo was sorting and bundling. There's a large
recycling container in the picture. She said that they've organized a
private pickup of the refuse and recycling.

A lot of the cardboard was used for making signs by some of the
people, and it looked like some of the more entrepreneurial people in
the park appeared to be using the cardboard to make art for sale.

The woman in the photo told me that they were using the bathrooms in
the local places, and there had been talk about getting some
composting toilets, but there was also talk about raising money to pay
some of those same local places for using their restrooms.

You can see in another photo that they have cleaning supplies and a
sign that they were cleaning up Wall Street - the subway station.

There were literally hundreds if not thousands of signs. Some were
silly, "Glen Beck is a **** stain" and others were more on target, as
seen in the photo of the Thomas Jefferson quote sign, and in another
picture, "The first time I served my country I was a paratrooper.
This time I am a revolutionary."

The people were of course well represented by the young, but there
were quite a few middle aged people and some older people, too. Photo
of the guy wearing the Vietnam Vet cap.

About a quarter of the people were spectators, but not idle
spectators. They were talking to the people in the park, and going
around photographing them.

The cops were just standing there. I talked to a couple. One about a
nifty elevated observation post that's on a trailer. A cross between
a scissor lift and a cherry picker, with an enclosed ~6' square room
that could get up about 30'. It had surveillance cameras on all sides
and a weather station on top. I want one.

Your average NY parade is far rowdier than the crowd in that park, and
there was nothing anywhere near the stuff that goes on at a St.
Patrick's Day parade, Halloween parade or anything of that sort. No
rowdiness, no raised voices, no sense of anything out of the
ordinary. It felt like a street fair. There was some drumming going
on, but a cop said that the people in the park stopped drumming at 11
PM.

There was a 'library' set up with a slew of books. I did not get
close enough to see what the books were about. Most of the people
holding signs were on the avenue, and those people were holding signs
that had a wide variety of messages. It wasn't clear if people were
taking turns holding signs, if those people were just trying to get on
camera, or what.

The people in the center of the park had set up camp and had the usual
camping stuff, but I did not see any tents. It just seemed to be
sleeping bags and blue poly tarps. There was a 'kitchen' set up in
the middle of the park, and a bunch of people eating off of paper
plates. There were also a lot of stainless food carts along the
southern street - everything from Smoothies to coffee to felafels and
a bunch more I didn't see up close.

http://img189.imageshack.us/slidesho...mg4378copy.jpg

R

You might find this interesting.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/09...pation_emails/

If the protesters ran around naked, there might be more coverage (no pun
intended) ^_^

TDD

I'm not sure if nudity would have helped thier message.
Since they were protesting corporate greed, they would not
want to wear clothes made by corporations.

Help get the message out? If you ASSk me, there's no doubt
abou TIT.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..


"The Daring Dufas"
wrote in message ...

You might find this interesting.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/09...pation_emails/

If the protesters ran around naked, there might be more
coverage (no pun
intended) ^_^

TDD

On Oct 12, 7:54*pm, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:

I'd decline the beer.

I'm kinda sorry to hear you died.

R

On Oct 12, 8:13*pm, George wrote:
On 10/12/2011 11:52 AM, RicodJour wrote:









On Oct 12, 8:44 am, *wrote:
On 10/11/2011 11:22 PM, RicodJour wrote:
On Oct 11, 6:51 pm, * *wrote:

You will see exactly what you want to see. *If you are honest then you
will see the truth but most people are not honest, they are biased and
they will see the side that they want to see and ignore everything
else.

Early on I found that expectations ruined a lot of things, so I try
not to have too many of them. *I try to stay open and take it as it
comes. *I have my opinions, but I am aware of my biases and try not to
let them shrink my world down to a reflex reaction.

Same here. We ended up there by accident. We were looking for a fish
taco place we heard about and without even thinking about the activities
down there walked right into it.

Okay, that's the second time you've mentioned the fish tacos. *Provide
said establishment's name and location forthwith! *

http://www.yelp.com/biz/taqueria-nixtamalito-manhattan

Good fish tacos are hard to find on the right coast.

They get the tortillas from this gal out in Corona who has a tortilla
machine in the front of the restaurant (great little restaurant by the way):

http://www.tortillerianixtamal.com/

I'll have to give that place a try, but cross the river next time.
http://www.yelp.com/biz/tortilleria-...manos-brooklyn

They make their own tortillas as well as the tacos.

R

On Oct 12, 10:23*pm, "HeyBub" wrote:
Stormin Mormon wrote:

No worries about the quality. Better than my phone. I was
interested, at how tightly packed the people are. Fertile
grounds for pick pockets.

Yuck!

I sure wouldn't put MY hand in one of THEIR pockets.

If you saw some of the women there, you would. You'd get slapped
either way. Hell, I feel like slapping you and you're nowhere near my
pocket.

R

On Oct 12, 10:26*pm, "HeyBub" wrote:
RicodJour wrote:

Merely asking a question, but would you prefer a bleeding heart to
someone without one at all?

Of course not. In the 13th Century, Maimonides tabulated the types of
charity. The most meritorious form, in his mind, was to loan a deserving
person sufficient money for that person to start his own business.

Your mastery of the dimwitted redirect knows no peer. I did not ask
what form charity should take, though the micro-loans are a nifty
thing - I asked about where someone's heart was. I did not expect you
to answer without googling what the word meant. Next time...? Google
first. Thanks.

R

On Oct 13, 7:48*am, The Daring Dufas
wrote:

I'm glad to see the protesters cleaning up after themselves because that
has not always been the case in the past. I think the message
about not making a mess got through to the activists. ^_^

Well, the media and city's disinformation worked, and now the public
has been primed for the "cleanup" scheduled for tomorrow morning at
7am. I guess we'll find out whether it will escalate or fizzle
tomorrow.

R

On 10/13/2011 9:45 PM, RicodJour wrote:
On Oct 13, 7:48 am, The Daring
wrote:

I'm glad to see the protesters cleaning up after themselves because that
has not always been the case in the past. I think the message
about not making a mess got through to the activists. ^_^

Well, the media and city's disinformation worked, and now the public
has been primed for the "cleanup" scheduled for tomorrow morning at
7am. I guess we'll find out whether it will escalate or fizzle
tomorrow.

R

I've heard that the New York protestors were defecating on police cars
and an American Flag. I haven't seen any pictures just like that
nonsense where the Democrat legislators were claiming that Tea Party
protesters were yelling racial slurs at them and spitting on them but
with all the cameras around, nobody could come up with any video or
recording of any of that happening. An old Usenet saying PPOSTFU!
^_^

TDD

RicodJour wrote:
On Oct 13, 7:48 am, The Daring Dufas
wrote:

I'm glad to see the protesters cleaning up after themselves because
that has not always been the case in the past. I think the message
about not making a mess got through to the activists. ^_^

Well, the media and city's disinformation worked, and now the public
has been primed for the "cleanup" scheduled for tomorrow morning at
7am. I guess we'll find out whether it will escalate or fizzle
tomorrow.

The mayor cancelled the cleanup, muttering something about "... let them
steep in their own filth..."

GO FLEA BAGGERS!

RicodJour wrote:
On Oct 12, 10:26 pm, "HeyBub" wrote:
RicodJour wrote:

Merely asking a question, but would you prefer a bleeding heart to
someone without one at all?

Of course not. In the 13th Century, Maimonides tabulated the types of
charity. The most meritorious form, in his mind, was to loan a
deserving person sufficient money for that person to start his own
business.

Your mastery of the dimwitted redirect knows no peer. I did not ask
what form charity should take, though the micro-loans are a nifty
thing - I asked about where someone's heart was. I did not expect you
to answer without googling what the word meant. Next time...? Google
first. Thanks.


Oh. Thanks for the clarification. It was easy to misunderstand your
"bleeding heart" reference.

As to where 'someone's heart is,' I can help you out there. A person's heart
is located in the center of the chest, tilted toward the person's left.

And I knew that without having to use Google.

On Fri, 14 Oct 2011 08:50:49 -0500, "HeyBub" wrote:

RicodJour wrote:
On Oct 13, 7:48 am, The Daring Dufas
wrote:

I'm glad to see the protesters cleaning up after themselves because
that has not always been the case in the past. I think the message
about not making a mess got through to the activists. ^_^

Well, the media and city's disinformation worked, and now the public
has been primed for the "cleanup" scheduled for tomorrow morning at
7am. I guess we'll find out whether it will escalate or fizzle
tomorrow.

The mayor cancelled the cleanup, muttering something about "... let them
steep in their own filth..."

....except that it's private property.

GO FLEA BAGGERS!

....may the Obama (continue) to be with you.

On Oct 12, 7:54 pm, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:

I'd decline the beer.

A top poster that doesn't drink beer. Figures.

On Oct 14, 11:29*am, "Steve B" wrote:
On Oct 12, "Stormin Mormon" wrote:

I'd decline the beer.

A top poster that doesn't drink beer. *Figures.

And pretty women have no effect on him. Hmmm....

R

On Oct 14, 9:50*am, "HeyBub" wrote:
RicodJour wrote:
On Oct 13, 7:48 am, The Daring Dufas
wrote:

I'm glad to see the protesters cleaning up after themselves because
that has not always been the case in the past. I think the message
about not making a mess got through to the activists. ^_^

Well, the media and city's disinformation worked, and now the public
has been primed for the "cleanup" scheduled for tomorrow morning at
7am. *I guess we'll find out whether it will escalate or fizzle
tomorrow.

The mayor cancelled the cleanup, muttering something about "... let them
steep in their own filth..."

GO FLEA BAGGERS!

As usual, even your simplest (as if you have any other kind)
pronouncements are factually incorrect.

The Mayor did not cancel the cleanup, the real estate company that
owns the park cancelled it as they feel they can work something out
with the new occupants.

Don't you wish your trailer home landlord was so understanding!

R

RicodJour wrote:
On Oct 14, 9:50 am, "HeyBub" wrote:
RicodJour wrote:
On Oct 13, 7:48 am, The Daring Dufas
wrote:

I'm glad to see the protesters cleaning up after themselves because
that has not always been the case in the past. I think the message
about not making a mess got through to the activists. ^_^

Well, the media and city's disinformation worked, and now the public
has been primed for the "cleanup" scheduled for tomorrow morning at
7am. I guess we'll find out whether it will escalate or fizzle
tomorrow.

The mayor cancelled the cleanup, muttering something about "... let
them steep in their own filth..."

GO FLEA BAGGERS!

As usual, even your simplest (as if you have any other kind)
pronouncements are factually incorrect.

The Mayor did not cancel the cleanup, the real estate company that
owns the park cancelled it as they feel they can work something out
with the new occupants.

Don't you wish your trailer home landlord was so understanding!


You are correct and I was mistaken. I read too much into the announcement
from the Bloomberg administration.

I caution, however, restraint on your behalf. You **** with me and you're
****in' with the entire trailer park.

Next, you need to call me either a Nazi, or a racist. It's
the rule on Usenet.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..


"RicodJour" wrote in message
...
On Oct 14, 11:29 am, "Steve B"
wrote:
On Oct 12, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:

I'd decline the beer.

A top poster that doesn't drink beer. Figures.

And pretty women have no effect on him. Hmmm....

R

On Oct 14, 3:30*pm, "HeyBub" wrote:
RicodJour wrote:
On Oct 14, "HeyBub" wrote:
RicodJour wrote:
On Oct 13, The Daring Dufas wrote:

I'm glad to see the protesters cleaning up after themselves because
that has not always been the case in the past. I think the message
about not making a mess got through to the activists. ^_^

Well, the media and city's disinformation worked, and now the public
has been primed for the "cleanup" scheduled for tomorrow morning at
7am. I guess we'll find out whether it will escalate or fizzle
tomorrow.

The mayor cancelled the cleanup, muttering something about "... let
them steep in their own filth..."

GO FLEA BAGGERS!

As usual, even your simplest (as if you have any other kind)
pronouncements are factually incorrect.

The Mayor did not cancel the cleanup, the real estate company that
owns the park cancelled it as they feel they can work something out
with the new occupants.

Don't you wish your trailer home landlord was so understanding!

You are correct and I was mistaken. I read too much into the announcement
from the Bloomberg administration.

I like Bloomberg - except when he reads his phonetic Spanish speech
translations - but he knows which side his bread is buttered on, and
he has more ties to business than he does to anything else. He
understands that you have to couch whatever you want to do in terms
that are believable ahead of time, so that way you can do whatever you
want when the time comes and not raise undue ire. Just the usual
amount of ire. He's no dummy. But I do think he's underestimating
this thing. We shall see.

I caution, however, restraint on your behalf. You **** with me and you're
****in' with the entire trailer park.

Simmer down. You're acting like someone broke into your stash of
Sterno.

R

RicodJour wrote:

I caution, however, restraint on your behalf. You **** with me and
you're ****in' with the entire trailer park.

Simmer down. You're acting like someone broke into your stash of
Sterno.


I don't HAVE a stash of Sterno. What with the current administration and
everything, it's all gone.

On Fri, 14 Oct 2011 17:35:31 -0400, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:

Next, you need to call me either a Nazi, or a racist. It's
the rule on Usenet.

Nah, he'll call you a Morman.

On Oct 14, 10:45*pm, RicodJour wrote:
On Oct 14, 3:30*pm, "HeyBub" wrote:





RicodJour wrote:
On Oct 14, "HeyBub" wrote:
RicodJour wrote:
On Oct 13, The Daring Dufas wrote:

I'm glad to see the protesters cleaning up after themselves because
that has not always been the case in the past. I think the message
about not making a mess got through to the activists. ^_^

Well, the media and city's disinformation worked, and now the public
has been primed for the "cleanup" scheduled for tomorrow morning at
7am. I guess we'll find out whether it will escalate or fizzle
tomorrow.

The mayor cancelled the cleanup, muttering something about "... let
them steep in their own filth..."

GO FLEA BAGGERS!

As usual, even your simplest (as if you have any other kind)
pronouncements are factually incorrect.

The Mayor did not cancel the cleanup, the real estate company that
owns the park cancelled it as they feel they can work something out
with the new occupants.

Don't you wish your trailer home landlord was so understanding!

You are correct and I was mistaken. I read too much into the announcement
from the Bloomberg administration.

I like Bloomberg - except when he reads his phonetic Spanish speech
translations - but he knows which side his bread is buttered on, and
he has more ties to business than he does to anything else. *He
understands that you have to couch whatever you want to do in terms
that are believable ahead of time, so that way you can do whatever you
want when the time comes and not raise undue ire. *Just the usual
amount of ire. *He's no dummy. *But I do think he's underestimating
this thing. *We shall see.


Supposed to be a world day of occupation today..

On Oct 15, 3:48 am, harry wrote:

Supposed to be a world day of occupation today..

There are some brave people willing to push against the powers that be
in places like Singapore. They don't mess around over there and
they're not reticent to whip out the canes and gas.

R

On Oct 11, 8:27*am, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:
Is it true? Moments ago, on the Laura Ingraham show (Tues
Oct 11, 2011, about 9:20 AM) she commented that the Wall
Street crowd was creating a sanitation and personal refuse
and body waste problem.

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* "You know, we'll see. Right now they're on private
property and people who own that property don't have the
power to eject them," he said.

* But Brookfield Office Properties, which owns Zuccotti
Park, seems to be slowly building a case against protesters,
saying Thursday that the protestors are interfering with the
use of the park by others and are creating sanitary
problems.

* "Sanitation is a growing concern," Brookfield said in a
statement. "Normally the park is cleaned and inspected every
weeknight. . . because the protestors refuse to cooperate. .
.the park has not been cleaned since Friday, September 16th
and as a result, sanitary conditions have reached
unacceptable levels."

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
*www.lds.org
.

The Tea Party always cleaned up after themselves. And did not sh@t in
the street.

Most right wing groups tend to be rather well
mannered. Tea Party, NRA, Ranch Rescue,
Rush Limbuaugh inspired "Dan's Bake Sale",
Michael Savage gatherings, Sean Hannity crowds,
Border Rescue, etc.

It's the far left "save the Earth" types that are
hell on sanitation.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..


"RickH"
wrote in message
...

The Tea Party always cleaned up after themselves.
And did not sh@t in the street.

On Oct 15, 4:14*pm, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:
Most right wing groups tend to be rather well
mannered. Tea Party, NRA, Ranch Rescue,
Rush Limbuaugh inspired "Dan's Bake Sale",
Michael Savage gatherings, Sean Hannity crowds,
Border Rescue, etc.

It's the far left "save the Earth" types that are
hell on sanitation.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
*www.lds.org
.

"RickH"
wrote in ...

The Tea Party always cleaned up after themselves.
And did not sh@t in the street.

Nazis, Fascisti, FARC?

On Oct 15, 11:14 am, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:

Most right wing groups tend to be rather well
mannered. Tea Party, NRA, Ranch Rescue,
Rush Limbuaugh inspired "Dan's Bake Sale",
Michael Savage gatherings, Sean Hannity crowds,
Border Rescue, etc.

It's the far left "save the Earth" types that are
hell on sanitation.

I wish you'd do your part about sanitation and stop spewing bull****
all over the newsgroup. I don't recall you ever saying anything other
than it was some other guy's fault.

You must be a strong, strong man. How you can support the weight of
that heavy halo, I'll never know.

Would you like me to start quoting the Book of Mormon and point out
why you're being a twit and violating the tenets of your own
religion? Aren't all people "the spirit children of God"? How can
you so readily dismiss people you haven't met, know nothing about, and
ignore a firsthand account by someone you do know (albeit only through
this newsgroup)? I find it very odd for a purportedly religious man.
Some might say it's hypocritical, but I'm not going to do that. I'll
just say well-intentioned but misguided.

R

"RicodJour" wrote in message
...
On Oct 15, 11:14 am, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:

Most right wing groups tend to be rather well
mannered. Tea Party, NRA, Ranch Rescue,
Rush Limbuaugh inspired "Dan's Bake Sale",
Michael Savage gatherings, Sean Hannity crowds,
Border Rescue, etc.

It's the far left "save the Earth" types that are
hell on sanitation.

I wish you'd do your part about sanitation and stop spewing bull****
all over the newsgroup. I don't recall you ever saying anything other
than it was some other guy's fault.

It seems very odd to dismiss the current, ever-growing OWS protests because
they're allegedly so untidy. If that's the worst their critics can heap on
them . . .

Would you like me to start quoting the Book of Mormon and point out
why you're being a twit and violating the tenets of your own
religion?

No!!!!! No quotes PLEASE! (O: At least not from the book Joseph Smith
that was written by reading reflections of a seer stone at the bottom of his
hat.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seer_st...ter_Day_Saints)

If you think the word of God is revealed in the reflections of shiny rocks
inside your white stovepipe hat, then you'll be willing to believe anything.
FWIW, Smith also used the stones for treasure hunting, a side business of
his before he became the father of the LDS.

--
Bobby G.

In article ,
"Robert Green" wrote:


It seems very odd to dismiss the current, ever-growing OWS protests because
they're allegedly so untidy. If that's the worst their critics can heap on
them . . .

MUCH easier to dismiss them because they have no purpose or
suggestions for change. They are just sorta existing and getting upset
yet offering nothing to add to the debate.



--
People thought cybersex was a safe alternative,
until patients started presenting with sexually
acquired carpal tunnel syndrome.-Howard Berkowitz

On Oct 17, 9:19*am, Kurt Ullman wrote:
*"Robert Green" wrote:

It seems very odd to dismiss the current, ever-growing OWS protests because
they're allegedly so untidy. If that's the worst their critics can heap on
them . . .

* *MUCH easier to dismiss them because they have no purpose or
suggestions for change. They are just sorta existing and getting upset
yet offering nothing to add to the debate.

It's not a debate, it's their lives. You can win a debate and still
be wrong, especially morally wrong. But you already knew that.

Just sorta existing...? As far as I can tell that's what most people
are doing.

The OWS crew has been there for one month. Let's meet back here in
another month and see what's happened in the interim.

R

On Oct 17, 9:19*am, Kurt Ullman wrote:

* *MUCH easier to dismiss them because they have no purpose or
suggestions for change. They are just sorta existing and getting upset
yet offering nothing to add to the debate.

One more question - when you're wandering around lost do you slow
down, maybe ask for directions, look for landmarks, and generally take
your time to decide on the best direction?

Or do you just keep wandering around lost and hope for the best?

R

"Kurt Ullman" wrote in message
"Robert Green" wrote:


It seems very odd to dismiss the current, ever-growing OWS protests
because
they're allegedly so untidy. If that's the worst their critics can heap
on
them . . .

MUCH easier to dismiss them because they have no purpose or
suggestions for change. They are just sorta existing and getting upset
yet offering nothing to add to the debate.

The Tea Party was similarly amorphous in the beginning. However, I think
the point of the OWS protests is actually much more clear than the right
acknowledges. They believe that Wall St. has too much influence over
politics in the world, which I agree with. They believe that the average
wage earner has been taking it on the chin because of the unregulated credit
default swaps, over-leveraging and much more while Wall Streeters are raking
in multi-million dollar salaries and commissions.

I disagree strongly that they're not offering suggestions or that their main
objectives are unclear. They want to return to an era when Wall St. was far
more closely regulated. They want to see businesses that are too big to
fail broken up into pieces where failure doesn't require their tax dollars
for bailouts. Capping outrageous CEO salaries is on their agenda (and mine)
as well as returning the taxation of the super-wealthy that apparently has
only benefited them, not the common man.

If lowering taxes on the rich was such a super good thing for everyone, why
are so many non-Wall Streeters suffering? The Tea Party shot its load
during the mid-terms. The OWS folks are poised to make their impact at the
much more important 2012 elections. By then, I am sure that they will begin
to agree on the major points of reform needed. You know those damn
Democrats. If there's anything they excel at, it's organizing the common
man. As my journo prof said: The pendulum swings and it's swinging now.
Oddly enough, the Tea Party may even join in once they realize it wasn't the
government that screwed them, but the machinations of the Wall St. "titans"
that forced the government to bail them out.

Wall Street needs to return to being a place where capital is raised for
legitimate investments, not to give working people with 401K's "haircuts" by
flash trading, saddling companies that employ thousands of American workers
with so much debt that they go bankrupt and much, much more. If Wall Street
were functional, it would not have needed billions of dollars of taxpayer
money to right itself after the staggering events of 2008.

There's something wrong with our system and the OWS is starting to shine a
very bright light to find out where the problems are and what we can do to
fix them. The Volcker rule, the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, huge
jail sentences for insider trading and many other changes are already afoot.
As the Mad Max movie said: "The dice are rolling, I can feel it." The Tea
Party barely gets any news coverage anymore while the coverage of OWS is
skyrocketing by comparison.

Even Bloomberg, the patron saint of Wall St. who used his enormous Wall St.
wealth to buy the NYC mayor's job, had to back down from clearing the park
because he eventually (with much help) realized that making them martyrs
would only accelerate the movement. That doesn't mean that other panicked
leaders won't provide the movement with a Kent State moment that catapults
the OWS into high gear.

The protesters know that while Wall St. salaries have rebounded quickly to
the stratosphere, the average worker is still losing ground. While the Tea
Party was a US animal, the OWS protests are now lighting up across the
world. There's something happening here, what it is ain't exactly clear . .
.. but it will become clear in the coming months as leaders emerge and
strategies are decided upon.

One thing's for su as more people lose their houses and jobs, they are
much more likely to join the OWS instead of the Tea Party. I predict that
soon boycotts will start of companies that pay no US taxes or that have
CEO's that earn obscenely huge salaries. Once people discover that they can
have a serious effect on companies that are perceived as rapacious, there's
potentially no end to the OWS movement.

Wall Street will actually help the OWS when the stocks of such companies
start to fall on the perception that they won't be able to meet their sales
forecasts because of boycotts. Even die-hard conservatives will become
unintended "helpers" as they pull their money out of what they see as
"sinking ships" and accelerate the downward spiral. One thing's for sure.
Interesting times lie ahead.

The saddest part is that all Wall Streeters and the right can say is "they
are not very tidy" or "they are not very well-organized." It's roughly akin
to saying "that baby can't talk and poops in its diapers." Most movements
and children start out that way, but most eventually grow up. "Not tidy."
Talk about fiddling while Rome burns. One of the most telling signs I can
think of lately that a big change is coming was a Nationwide insurance
commercial I just saw that said: "We're a cooperative and NOT beholden to
Wall Street." America has found a new target to demonize, and if there's
anything Americans excel at, it's finding someone to blame for things. Will
Wall St. wake up in time and self-regulate? I don't think so. It's got
"anti-regulation" built into its DNA which could very well be its undoing.

--
Bobby G.

"RicodJour" wrote in message
news:5b651d3b-9276-4f96-a871-
On Oct 17, 9:19 am, Kurt Ullman wrote:
"Robert Green" wrote:

It seems very odd to dismiss the current, ever-growing OWS protests
because
they're allegedly so untidy. If that's the worst their critics can heap
on
them . . .

MUCH easier to dismiss them because they have no purpose or
suggestions for change. They are just sorta existing and getting upset
yet offering nothing to add to the debate.

It's not a debate, it's their lives. You can win a debate and still
be wrong, especially morally wrong. But you already knew that.

Just sorta existing...? As far as I can tell that's what most people
are doing.

We've finally reached a point where the blame is being assigned to the right
people. The destructive credit-swap and subprime mortgage games created the
financial crisis. There's a clear trail of blood that leads back to the
early deregulation of the 1980s when the middle class started taking the
hits that have led to their stagnant economic position and to the OWS.
Despite the immense losses the country took from Wall St.'s games the right
is STILL pushing the same deregulatory fervor that led to the huge crash.
That alone proves that deregulation is good for them, but bad for the "other
99%." A simple look at most deregulated electric bills shows how good it is
for business and bad it is for consumers.

Finally, we're beginning to see economists and upcoming politicos like
Elizabeth Warren decimate Republican arguments that rebalancing the tax
burden means class warfare. The uber-wealthy didn't get rich entirely by
themselves. They benefited from roads, courts, public safety agencies, the
military and an education system paid for by taxes. Those who have
benefited the most should give back more than they have. Instead, they
continue to whine that "the rich paying less is good for everyone." The
trickle down BS of the 80's may finally be put to rest as people realize
that Wall Street's game is to privatize profits and socialize losses and the
only thing that trickles down is economic sewage.

Just sorta existing...? As far as I can tell that's what most people
are doing.

The OWS crew has been there for one month. Let's meet back here in
another month and see what's happened in the interim.

The protests are spreading not only to other cities, but to other countries.
Even at this very early stage in the life of the movement, they've blown the
doors off the Tea Party. I guess the right expects them to have sprung into
the world fully formed. Just more proof that they're not working in the
real world. The right's reaction in trying to underplay the OWS's
importance belies their fear that the movement could grow large enough to
force the government to re-regulate Wall St., banks and monopolistic
enterprises.

--
Bobby G.

In article ,
"Robert Green" wrote:


for bailouts. Capping outrageous CEO salaries is on their agenda (and mine)
as well as returning the taxation of the super-wealthy that apparently has
only benefited them, not the common man.

Be careful what you wish for. Technically salaries are already
effectively capped and have been since the mid-80s when, in a rather
bipartisan fit of passion, it was decided by Congress that execs were
getting paid too much. So the deductibility of salaries was capped at $1
million (and if you look at 10Ks through to today, you'll find most top
executives are still getting near that (the biggest I've seen recently
was around $3 mill in salary).
What happened though, because of the Congressional Umbrage and
desire to do things not unlike is being called for today, was that they
decided to put the interests of the executives "in line" with those of
the shareholders, they encouraged use of bonuses and stock options.
This meant that they were no longer being paid to manage the
company, but rather being paid to manage the share price and thus the
books (I don't think was happenstance that about two years later the
first book cooking scandal broke).
It also meant, as the stock market took off, that CEOs were being
paid orders of magnitude more than even the most captive board would
have had the balls to pay in direct salary. If you look at the ratio of
CEO pay to worker pay, you will note from the mid-60s to early 80s it
poked along in the mid 20s. Then Congressional Umbrage took over,
changed the tax laws and the ratio skyrocketed. Although if you look at
the actual figures it does bounce around A LOT.,


If lowering taxes on the rich was such a super good thing for everyone, why
are so many non-Wall Streeters suffering?

I have no idea what the connection is.


Even Bloomberg, the patron saint of Wall St. who used his enormous Wall St.
wealth to buy the NYC mayor's job, had to back down from clearing the park
because he eventually (with much help) realized that making them martyrs
would only accelerate the movement. That doesn't mean that other panicked
leaders won't provide the movement with a Kent State moment that catapults
the OWS into high gear.


Of course that isn't close to the reality of the situation. The park
is PRIVATELY owned and not a part of the City park system. The owners of
the park asked them to clean up, they did and the PRIVATE owners of the
park decided to not press the issue. IF the owners don't want them
evicted there is little Bloomberg or the City can do.

The protesters know that while Wall St. salaries have rebounded quickly to
the stratosphere, the average worker is still losing ground. While the Tea
Party was a US animal, the OWS protests are now lighting up across the
world. There's something happening here, what it is ain't exactly clear . .
. but it will become clear in the coming months as leaders emerge and
strategies are decided upon.

One thing's for su as more people lose their houses and jobs, they are
much more likely to join the OWS instead of the Tea Party. I predict that
soon boycotts will start of companies that pay no US taxes or that have
CEO's that earn obscenely huge salaries. Once people discover that they can
have a serious effect on companies that are perceived as rapacious, there's
potentially no end to the OWS movement.

Wall Street will actually help the OWS when the stocks of such companies
start to fall on the perception that they won't be able to meet their sales
forecasts because of boycotts. Even die-hard conservatives will become
unintended "helpers" as they pull their money out of what they see as
"sinking ships" and accelerate the downward spiral. One thing's for sure.
Interesting times lie ahead.

The saddest part is that all Wall Streeters and the right can say is "they
are not very tidy" or "they are not very well-organized." It's roughly akin
to saying "that baby can't talk and poops in its diapers." Most movements
and children start out that way, but most eventually grow up. "Not tidy."
Talk about fiddling while Rome burns. One of the most telling signs I can
think of lately that a big change is coming was a Nationwide insurance
commercial I just saw that said: "We're a cooperative and NOT beholden to
Wall Street." America has found a new target to demonize, and if there's
anything Americans excel at, it's finding someone to blame for things. Will
Wall St. wake up in time and self-regulate? I don't think so. It's got
"anti-regulation" built into its DNA which could very well be its undoing.

--
Bobby G.

--
People thought cybersex was a safe alternative,
until patients started presenting with sexually
acquired carpal tunnel syndrome.-Howard Berkowitz