Here it is, dip****.

Miles above you.

"MassiveProng" wrote in
message ...
Here it is, dip****.

Miles above you.



A massive boob-tube for a massive boob.

MassiveProng wrote:
Here it is, dip****.

Miles above you.

I could post a picture of my screen, but it's not hard to visualize. It's a
4'x7' piece of sheetrock. The picture looks allot like yours, only an order
of magnitude larger. Now that's massive. :-)

I'm telling you, you should really check out the HD1000 by Mitsubishi, it
kicks major ass for the money. Just read some customer reviews anywhere,
they're all the same. It's jaw dropping, I mean it. I couldn't hardly get
the satellite guys to leave, I had to just turn it off. ;-)

You're wrong about the mirrors not being fast enough for fast action. The
only problem is with rainbow effects for those who see them (and I do, but
I'm highly sensitive to monitor flicker too). I only see them when the
scene is dark with bright spots, and usually when moving my head sideways.
It's a color wheel issue, the newer double speed wheels apparently help
allot, but some still see the effects. They're not that annoying to me (and
believe me I annoy easily) so I can live with them. Brightly lit scenes
(like NASCAR :-) are incredible, the Daytona 500 finish was worth the price
of the projector alone. Colors are very brilliant, some people say plasma
like, but I don't know if I'd go quite that far. I do know that in a dark
room even on low lamp mode, it's friggin bright, almost too bright. Way
better black levels than LCD, good flesh tones too. No affiliation, yada
yada, just majorly impressed.

On Wed, 4 Apr 2007 18:33:41 -0500, "Anthony Fremont"
wrote:

MassiveProng wrote:
Here it is, dip****.

Miles above you.

I could post a picture of my screen, but it's not hard to visualize. It's a
4'x7' piece of sheetrock. The picture looks allot like yours, only an order
of magnitude larger. Now that's massive. :-)

I'm telling you, you should really check out the HD1000 by Mitsubishi, it
kicks major ass for the money. Just read some customer reviews anywhere,
they're all the same. It's jaw dropping, I mean it. I couldn't hardly get
the satellite guys to leave, I had to just turn it off. ;-)

You're wrong about the mirrors not being fast enough for fast action. The
only problem is with rainbow effects for those who see them (and I do, but
I'm highly sensitive to monitor flicker too). I only see them when the
scene is dark with bright spots, and usually when moving my head sideways.
It's a color wheel issue, the newer double speed wheels apparently help
allot, but some still see the effects. They're not that annoying to me (and
believe me I annoy easily) so I can live with them. Brightly lit scenes
(like NASCAR :-) are incredible, the Daytona 500 finish was worth the price
of the projector alone. Colors are very brilliant, some people say plasma
like, but I don't know if I'd go quite that far. I do know that in a dark
room even on low lamp mode, it's friggin bright, almost too bright. Way
better black levels than LCD, good flesh tones too. No affiliation, yada
yada, just majorly impressed.


DLP? Consumer Reports recently gave it the thumbs up.

...Jim Thompson
--
| James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens |
| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona Voice480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax480)460-2142 | Brass Rat |
| http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |

America: Land of the Free, Because of the Brave

Jim Thompson wrote:

On Wed, 4 Apr 2007 18:33:41 -0500, "Anthony Fremont"
wrote:

MassiveProng wrote:
Here it is, dip****.

Miles above you.

I could post a picture of my screen, but it's not hard to visualize. It's a
4'x7' piece of sheetrock. The picture looks allot like yours, only an order
of magnitude larger. Now that's massive. :-)

I'm telling you, you should really check out the HD1000 by Mitsubishi, it
kicks major ass for the money. Just read some customer reviews anywhere,
they're all the same. It's jaw dropping, I mean it. I couldn't hardly get
the satellite guys to leave, I had to just turn it off. ;-)

You're wrong about the mirrors not being fast enough for fast action. The
only problem is with rainbow effects for those who see them (and I do, but
I'm highly sensitive to monitor flicker too). I only see them when the
scene is dark with bright spots, and usually when moving my head sideways.
It's a color wheel issue, the newer double speed wheels apparently help
allot, but some still see the effects. They're not that annoying to me (and
believe me I annoy easily) so I can live with them. Brightly lit scenes
(like NASCAR :-) are incredible, the Daytona 500 finish was worth the price
of the projector alone. Colors are very brilliant, some people say plasma
like, but I don't know if I'd go quite that far. I do know that in a dark
room even on low lamp mode, it's friggin bright, almost too bright. Way
better black levels than LCD, good flesh tones too. No affiliation, yada
yada, just majorly impressed.


DLP? Consumer Reports recently gave it the thumbs up.


And a gross of thumb downs to "the prong"?


--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

Jim Thompson wrote:
On Wed, 4 Apr 2007 18:33:41 -0500, "Anthony Fremont"
wrote:

MassiveProng wrote:
Here it is, dip****.

Miles above you.

I could post a picture of my screen, but it's not hard to visualize.
It's a 4'x7' piece of sheetrock. The picture looks allot like
yours, only an order of magnitude larger. Now that's massive. :-)

I'm telling you, you should really check out the HD1000 by
Mitsubishi, it kicks major ass for the money. Just read some
customer reviews anywhere, they're all the same. It's jaw dropping,
I mean it. I couldn't hardly get the satellite guys to leave, I had
to just turn it off. ;-)

You're wrong about the mirrors not being fast enough for fast
action. The only problem is with rainbow effects for those who see
them (and I do, but I'm highly sensitive to monitor flicker too). I
only see them when the scene is dark with bright spots, and usually
when moving my head sideways. It's a color wheel issue, the newer
double speed wheels apparently help allot, but some still see the
effects. They're not that annoying to me (and believe me I annoy
easily) so I can live with them. Brightly lit scenes (like NASCAR
:-) are incredible, the Daytona 500 finish was worth the price of
the projector alone. Colors are very brilliant, some people say
plasma like, but I don't know if I'd go quite that far. I do know
that in a dark room even on low lamp mode, it's friggin bright,
almost too bright. Way better black levels than LCD, good flesh
tones too. No affiliation, yada yada, just majorly impressed.


DLP? Consumer Reports recently gave it the thumbs up.

Yep it's DLP 1280*720p. Just like the little girl says, it's the mirrors.
;-) If I'd have seen it before I bought the LCD, I'd have a projector in my
shack instead of the 42" LCD that used to be in the living room. I bought
the LCD for the wife (well and me too ;-), but I got the projector later on
for the game-room/ham-shack as sort of a toy. My wife wasn't the least bit
interested in it, until she saw it. Like I said, it's now hanging from the
living room ceiling and I have to suffer thru this "tiny" LCD while she
piles on the hours on the bulb. ;-)

And this brings up the one truly crappy thing about "the bulb". Even if
you're lucky enough to make it to 3000 hours without failure, your reward is
that the projector will refuse to lite it again anyway. How sucky is
that??? :-(

On Wed, 4 Apr 2007 20:26:06 -0500, "Anthony Fremont"
wrote:

Jim Thompson wrote:
On Wed, 4 Apr 2007 18:33:41 -0500, "Anthony Fremont"
wrote:

MassiveProng wrote:
Here it is, dip****.

Miles above you.

I could post a picture of my screen, but it's not hard to visualize.
It's a 4'x7' piece of sheetrock. The picture looks allot like
yours, only an order of magnitude larger. Now that's massive. :-)

I'm telling you, you should really check out the HD1000 by
Mitsubishi, it kicks major ass for the money. Just read some
customer reviews anywhere, they're all the same. It's jaw dropping,
I mean it. I couldn't hardly get the satellite guys to leave, I had
to just turn it off. ;-)

You're wrong about the mirrors not being fast enough for fast
action. The only problem is with rainbow effects for those who see
them (and I do, but I'm highly sensitive to monitor flicker too). I
only see them when the scene is dark with bright spots, and usually
when moving my head sideways. It's a color wheel issue, the newer
double speed wheels apparently help allot, but some still see the
effects. They're not that annoying to me (and believe me I annoy
easily) so I can live with them. Brightly lit scenes (like NASCAR
:-) are incredible, the Daytona 500 finish was worth the price of
the projector alone. Colors are very brilliant, some people say
plasma like, but I don't know if I'd go quite that far. I do know
that in a dark room even on low lamp mode, it's friggin bright,
almost too bright. Way better black levels than LCD, good flesh
tones too. No affiliation, yada yada, just majorly impressed.


DLP? Consumer Reports recently gave it the thumbs up.

Yep it's DLP 1280*720p. Just like the little girl says, it's the mirrors.
;-) If I'd have seen it before I bought the LCD, I'd have a projector in my
shack instead of the 42" LCD that used to be in the living room. I bought
the LCD for the wife (well and me too ;-), but I got the projector later on
for the game-room/ham-shack as sort of a toy. My wife wasn't the least bit
interested in it, until she saw it. Like I said, it's now hanging from the
living room ceiling and I have to suffer thru this "tiny" LCD while she
piles on the hours on the bulb. ;-)

And this brings up the one truly crappy thing about "the bulb". Even if
you're lucky enough to make it to 3000 hours without failure, your reward is
that the projector will refuse to lite it again anyway. How sucky is
that??? :-(


I did some chip consulting for SpatiaLight quite a few years ago. I
think they got bought up by TI, but I'm not sure... companies just
seem to vanish into the woodwork :-(

...Jim Thompson
--
| James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens |
| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona Voice480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax480)460-2142 | Brass Rat |
| http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |

America: Land of the Free, Because of the Brave

Jim Thompson wrote:

I did some chip consulting for SpatiaLight quite a few years ago. I
think they got bought up by TI, but I'm not sure... companies just
seem to vanish into the woodwork :-(


And now we know who's causing it! ;-)


--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

On Thu, 05 Apr 2007 03:32:24 GMT, the renowned "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:

Jim Thompson wrote:

I did some chip consulting for SpatiaLight quite a few years ago. I
think they got bought up by TI, but I'm not sure... companies just
seem to vanish into the woodwork :-(


And now we know who's causing it! ;-)

They can sell out and retire rich?


Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
--
"it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward"
Info for manufacturers: http://www.trexon.com
Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers: http://www.speff.com

Spehro Pefhany wrote:

On Thu, 05 Apr 2007 03:32:24 GMT, the renowned "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:

Jim Thompson wrote:

I did some chip consulting for SpatiaLight quite a few years ago. I
think they got bought up by TI, but I'm not sure... companies just
seem to vanish into the woodwork :-(


And now we know who's causing it! ;-)

They can sell out and retire rich?


And hide out in Arizona? ;-)


--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

On Wed, 04 Apr 2007 17:12:47 GMT, "ian field"
Gave us:


"MassiveProng" wrote in
message ...
Here it is, dip****.

Miles above you.



A massive boob-tube for a massive boob.

Miles above you, tinybrain.

On Wed, 4 Apr 2007 18:33:41 -0500, "Anthony Fremont"
Gave us:

I'm telling you, you should really check out the HD1000 by Mitsubishi, it
kicks major ass for the money. Just read some customer reviews anywhere,
they're all the same. It's jaw dropping, I mean it. I couldn't hardly get
the satellite guys to leave, I had to just turn it off. ;-)


For video perhaps. Not on my list yet, however. I have been eyeing
a 1TB drive though...

http://www.hitachigst.com/portal/sit...a9f30eac4f0a0/

On Wed, 4 Apr 2007 18:33:41 -0500, "Anthony Fremont"
Gave us:


You're wrong about the mirrors not being fast enough for fast action. The
only problem is with rainbow effects for those who see them (and I do, but
I'm highly sensitive to monitor flicker too). I only see them when the
scene is dark with bright spots, and usually when moving my head sideways.

Hehehe.. When I worked on upright video games there were some that
had no horizontal deflection. Just a vertical line. If one stood
looking at it, and shook one's head side to side, one could see the
entire screen in that single vertical line. Pretty cool stuff, CRTs.

It's a color wheel issue, the newer double speed wheels apparently help
allot, but some still see the effects.

There is a rear projection display that uses LEDs, for the light
beams. Pretty interesting stuff, and I am not a fan of RP, but it
looks and sounds like good technology...

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1895,1909039,00.asp

That isn't the link I was looking for, but that HD mag is at work
right now.

They're not that annoying to me (and
believe me I annoy easily) so I can live with them. Brightly lit scenes
(like NASCAR :-) are incredible, the Daytona 500 finish was worth the price
of the projector alone. Colors are very brilliant, some people say plasma
like, but I don't know if I'd go quite that far.

I think Plasma sucks.

I do know that in a dark
room even on low lamp mode, it's friggin bright, almost too bright. Way
better black levels than LCD, good flesh tones too. No affiliation, yada
yada, just majorly impressed.

I think OLED will usher in better FPDs. I ain't doing the projector
thing yet.

On Wed, 04 Apr 2007 16:54:25 -0700, Jim Thompson
Gave us:

On Wed, 4 Apr 2007 18:33:41 -0500, "Anthony Fremont"
wrote:

MassiveProng wrote:
Here it is, dip****.

Miles above you.

I could post a picture of my screen, but it's not hard to visualize. It's a
4'x7' piece of sheetrock. The picture looks allot like yours, only an order
of magnitude larger. Now that's massive. :-)

I'm telling you, you should really check out the HD1000 by Mitsubishi, it
kicks major ass for the money. Just read some customer reviews anywhere,
they're all the same. It's jaw dropping, I mean it. I couldn't hardly get
the satellite guys to leave, I had to just turn it off. ;-)

You're wrong about the mirrors not being fast enough for fast action. The
only problem is with rainbow effects for those who see them (and I do, but
I'm highly sensitive to monitor flicker too). I only see them when the
scene is dark with bright spots, and usually when moving my head sideways.
It's a color wheel issue, the newer double speed wheels apparently help
allot, but some still see the effects. They're not that annoying to me (and
believe me I annoy easily) so I can live with them. Brightly lit scenes
(like NASCAR :-) are incredible, the Daytona 500 finish was worth the price
of the projector alone. Colors are very brilliant, some people say plasma
like, but I don't know if I'd go quite that far. I do know that in a dark
room even on low lamp mode, it's friggin bright, almost too bright. Way
better black levels than LCD, good flesh tones too. No affiliation, yada
yada, just majorly impressed.


DLP? Consumer Reports recently gave it the thumbs up.


About TWO YEARS AGO!

Hahahah!

On Wed, 04 Apr 2007 18:30:59 -0700, Jim Thompson
Gave us:

On Wed, 4 Apr 2007 20:26:06 -0500, "Anthony Fremont"
wrote:

Jim Thompson wrote:
On Wed, 4 Apr 2007 18:33:41 -0500, "Anthony Fremont"
wrote:

MassiveProng wrote:
Here it is, dip****.

Miles above you.

I could post a picture of my screen, but it's not hard to visualize.
It's a 4'x7' piece of sheetrock. The picture looks allot like
yours, only an order of magnitude larger. Now that's massive. :-)

I'm telling you, you should really check out the HD1000 by
Mitsubishi, it kicks major ass for the money. Just read some
customer reviews anywhere, they're all the same. It's jaw dropping,
I mean it. I couldn't hardly get the satellite guys to leave, I had
to just turn it off. ;-)

You're wrong about the mirrors not being fast enough for fast
action. The only problem is with rainbow effects for those who see
them (and I do, but I'm highly sensitive to monitor flicker too). I
only see them when the scene is dark with bright spots, and usually
when moving my head sideways. It's a color wheel issue, the newer
double speed wheels apparently help allot, but some still see the
effects. They're not that annoying to me (and believe me I annoy
easily) so I can live with them. Brightly lit scenes (like NASCAR
:-) are incredible, the Daytona 500 finish was worth the price of
the projector alone. Colors are very brilliant, some people say
plasma like, but I don't know if I'd go quite that far. I do know
that in a dark room even on low lamp mode, it's friggin bright,
almost too bright. Way better black levels than LCD, good flesh
tones too. No affiliation, yada yada, just majorly impressed.


DLP? Consumer Reports recently gave it the thumbs up.

Yep it's DLP 1280*720p. Just like the little girl says, it's the mirrors.
;-) If I'd have seen it before I bought the LCD, I'd have a projector in my
shack instead of the 42" LCD that used to be in the living room. I bought
the LCD for the wife (well and me too ;-), but I got the projector later on
for the game-room/ham-shack as sort of a toy. My wife wasn't the least bit
interested in it, until she saw it. Like I said, it's now hanging from the
living room ceiling and I have to suffer thru this "tiny" LCD while she
piles on the hours on the bulb. ;-)

And this brings up the one truly crappy thing about "the bulb". Even if
you're lucky enough to make it to 3000 hours without failure, your reward is
that the projector will refuse to lite it again anyway. How sucky is
that??? :-(


I did some chip consulting for SpatiaLight quite a few years ago. I
think they got bought up by TI, but I'm not sure... companies just
seem to vanish into the woodwork :-(



Don't you mean "Plastic bezel work"?

MassiveProng wrote:
On Wed, 4 Apr 2007 18:33:41 -0500, "Anthony Fremont"
Gave us:

I'm telling you, you should really check out the HD1000 by
Mitsubishi, it kicks major ass for the money. Just read some
customer reviews anywhere, they're all the same. It's jaw dropping,
I mean it. I couldn't hardly get the satellite guys to leave, I had
to just turn it off. ;-)


For video perhaps.

What does that mean? It seems that most x-boxers are in love with it too,
although I don't really use it as a computer monitor (unless you count
MythTV).

Not on my list yet, however. I have been eyeing
a 1TB drive though...

http://www.hitachigst.com/portal/sit...a9f30eac4f0a0/

I bet that's gonna be expensive. $$/GB ratio is too high for my tastes.

I just bought one of these to replace a failing 320. 5 year warranty I
keep my movies on drives that sleep, and the main Linux install on a smaller
drive.
http://www.directron.com/wd5000ys.html

MassiveProng wrote:
On Wed, 4 Apr 2007 18:33:41 -0500, "Anthony Fremont"
Gave us:


You're wrong about the mirrors not being fast enough for fast
action. The only problem is with rainbow effects for those who see
them (and I do, but I'm highly sensitive to monitor flicker too). I
only see them when the scene is dark with bright spots, and usually
when moving my head sideways.

Hehehe.. When I worked on upright video games there were some that
had no horizontal deflection. Just a vertical line. If one stood
looking at it, and shook one's head side to side, one could see the
entire screen in that single vertical line. Pretty cool stuff, CRTs.

It's a color wheel issue, the newer double speed wheels apparently
help allot, but some still see the effects.

There is a rear projection display that uses LEDs, for the light
beams. Pretty interesting stuff, and I am not a fan of RP, but it
looks and sounds like good technology...

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1895,1909039,00.asp

That isn't the link I was looking for, but that HD mag is at work
right now.

I'm not interested in RP either. Too bulkey and too small. The picture
looks real good, but I don't like thick TV. The prices are absolutely
insane too. Nothing but profit margin.

They're not that annoying to me (and
believe me I annoy easily) so I can live with them. Brightly lit
scenes (like NASCAR :-) are incredible, the Daytona 500 finish was
worth the price of the projector alone. Colors are very brilliant,
some people say plasma like, but I don't know if I'd go quite that
far.

I think Plasma sucks.

I'm not to keen on LCD myself. The light leakage and poor black levels
aren't too cool. The color banding blows too. I wish the manufacturers
would just stop lying and admit that they can't even accomplish true 24 bit
color yet. If you can see banding, then it aint 24 bit.

I do know that in a dark
room even on low lamp mode, it's friggin bright, almost too bright.
Way better black levels than LCD, good flesh tones too. No
affiliation, yada yada, just majorly impressed.

I think OLED will usher in better FPDs. I ain't doing the projector
thing yet.

There just isn't a substitute for size.

MassiveProng wrote:
On Wed, 04 Apr 2007 16:54:25 -0700, Jim Thompson

DLP? Consumer Reports recently gave it the thumbs up.


About TWO YEARS AGO!

Hahahah!

Get real. The thing launched on 3 Nov 2006, barely six months ago.
http://vis.mitsubishielectric.co.uk/...lled/71058.pdf

On Thu, 5 Apr 2007 09:02:27 -0500, "Anthony Fremont"
Gave us:

MassiveProng wrote:
On Wed, 4 Apr 2007 18:33:41 -0500, "Anthony Fremont"
Gave us:

I'm telling you, you should really check out the HD1000 by
Mitsubishi, it kicks major ass for the money. Just read some
customer reviews anywhere, they're all the same. It's jaw dropping,
I mean it. I couldn't hardly get the satellite guys to leave, I had
to just turn it off. ;-)


For video perhaps.

What does that mean? It seems that most x-boxers are in love with it too,
although I don't really use it as a computer monitor (unless you count
MythTV).


That's what I mean. That's video content. Have you used it for
your PC display? That's where FPDs rule!

Not on my list yet, however. I have been eyeing
a 1TB drive though...

http://www.hitachigst.com/portal/sit...a9f30eac4f0a0/

I bet that's gonna be expensive. $$/GB ratio is too high for my tastes.

Only $400. It was featured in this month's PM (Popular Mechanics)

I just bought one of these to replace a failing 320. 5 year warranty I
keep my movies on drives that sleep, and the main Linux install on a smaller
drive.
http://www.directron.com/wd5000ys.html

There was a major case win against DVD CSS this week mentioned in EE
Times. All about storing DVDs on a drive array.

On Thu, 5 Apr 2007 09:10:51 -0500, "Anthony Fremont"
Gave us:

I'm not to keen on LCD myself. The light leakage and poor black levels
aren't too cool. The color banding blows too. I wish the manufacturers
would just stop lying and admit that they can't even accomplish true 24 bit
color yet. If you can see banding, then it aint 24 bit.


No, I was referring to a new technology where they used DLP mirror
arrays, but illuminate with LED light instead of color wheel crap.

On Thu, 5 Apr 2007 09:16:43 -0500, "Anthony Fremont"
Gave us:

MassiveProng wrote:
On Wed, 04 Apr 2007 16:54:25 -0700, Jim Thompson

DLP? Consumer Reports recently gave it the thumbs up.


About TWO YEARS AGO!

Hahahah!

Get real. The thing launched on 3 Nov 2006, barely six months ago.

DLP part 2 yes (the upgrade)...

But DLP itself has been around a while.

MassiveProng wrote:
On Thu, 5 Apr 2007 09:02:27 -0500, "Anthony Fremont"
Gave us:

MassiveProng wrote:
On Wed, 4 Apr 2007 18:33:41 -0500, "Anthony Fremont"
Gave us:

I'm telling you, you should really check out the HD1000 by
Mitsubishi, it kicks major ass for the money. Just read some
customer reviews anywhere, they're all the same. It's jaw
dropping, I mean it. I couldn't hardly get the satellite guys to
leave, I had to just turn it off. ;-)


For video perhaps.

What does that mean? It seems that most x-boxers are in love with
it too, although I don't really use it as a computer monitor (unless
you count MythTV).


That's what I mean. That's video content. Have you used it for
your PC display? That's where FPDs rule!

It looks fine as a PC display. The MythTV machine is running an FX5200 as
the video card on DVI out using a DVI/HDMI convertor. Nothing stunning I
know, but they accelerate video playback as well as a more expensive card.
Don't need a high end card for home theater machine. Good openGL support is
nice for the animations during music playback.

Not on my list yet, however. I have been eyeing
a 1TB drive though...

http://www.hitachigst.com/portal/sit...a9f30eac4f0a0/

I bet that's gonna be expensive. $$/GB ratio is too high for my
tastes.

Only $400. It was featured in this month's PM (Popular Mechanics)

Ouch, and only a 3 year warranty. Get 2 of the WD's and save $100, plus get
a 5 year warranty.

I just bought one of these to replace a failing 320. 5 year
warranty I keep my movies on drives that sleep, and the main Linux
install on a smaller drive.
http://www.directron.com/wd5000ys.html

There was a major case win against DVD CSS this week mentioned in EE
Times. All about storing DVDs on a drive array.

Bout time.

MassiveProng wrote:
On Thu, 5 Apr 2007 09:10:51 -0500, "Anthony Fremont"
Gave us:

I'm not to keen on LCD myself. The light leakage and poor black
levels aren't too cool. The color banding blows too. I wish the
manufacturers would just stop lying and admit that they can't even
accomplish true 24 bit color yet. If you can see banding, then it
aint 24 bit.


No, I was referring to a new technology where they used DLP mirror
arrays, but illuminate with LED light instead of color wheel crap.

Oh ok. I honestly can't see the industry letting go of the $400 replacement
bulb gravy train they've got going now. What do you want to bet that
whatever they come up with will require some kind of consumable. They'll
run the LEDs on the verge of self-destruction and let the power company take
care of the rest. I have good UPS's on my stuff.

The color wheel does ok, faster and more segments would eliminate the
rainbows. There has to be a point that you just can't see them anymore.
Some manufacturers are using color wheels with six different colors instead
of three.

On Thu, 5 Apr 2007 21:40:20 -0500, "Anthony Fremont"
Gave us:

It looks fine as a PC display. The MythTV machine is running an FX5200 as
the video card on DVI out using a DVI/HDMI convertor. Nothing stunning I
know, but they accelerate video playback as well as a more expensive card.
Don't need a high end card for home theater machine. Good openGL support is
nice for the animations during music playback.


When and if you ever go with HD DVD or BluRay (BluTurd) you will
need a better card... an HDCP compliant one at that. Sorry. Just
the facts, man.

The good thing is... you won't be disappointed. They do HDTV modes
better than you think, and far better than that 5200.

On Thu, 5 Apr 2007 21:40:20 -0500, "Anthony Fremont"
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Ouch, and only a 3 year warranty. Get 2 of the WD's and save $100, plus get
a 5 year warranty.


WDs are lame for long term reliability.

Get a Seagate, and don't even care about the warranty. It will
outlast it, guaranteed.

On Thu, 5 Apr 2007 21:53:04 -0500, "Anthony Fremont"
Gave us:

MassiveProng wrote:
On Thu, 5 Apr 2007 09:10:51 -0500, "Anthony Fremont"
Gave us:

I'm not to keen on LCD myself. The light leakage and poor black
levels aren't too cool. The color banding blows too. I wish the
manufacturers would just stop lying and admit that they can't even
accomplish true 24 bit color yet. If you can see banding, then it
aint 24 bit.


No, I was referring to a new technology where they used DLP mirror
arrays, but illuminate with LED light instead of color wheel crap.

Oh ok. I honestly can't see the industry letting go of the $400 replacement
bulb gravy train they've got going now. What do you want to bet that
whatever they come up with will require some kind of consumable.

Absolutely not. The article I read specifically mentioned direct
competition with that segment.

They'll
run the LEDs on the verge of self-destruction and let the power company take
care of the rest. I have good UPS's on my stuff.

LEDs probably "short" out open.


The color wheel does ok, faster and more segments would eliminate the
rainbows. There has to be a point that you just can't see them anymore.
Some manufacturers are using color wheels with six different colors instead
of three.

It is still old technology.

The LEDs are far less consuming and far longer lifespan.

MassiveProng wrote:
On Thu, 5 Apr 2007 21:40:20 -0500, "Anthony Fremont"
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It looks fine as a PC display. The MythTV machine is running an
FX5200 as the video card on DVI out using a DVI/HDMI convertor.
Nothing stunning I know, but they accelerate video playback as well
as a more expensive card. Don't need a high end card for home
theater machine. Good openGL support is nice for the animations
during music playback.


When and if you ever go with HD DVD or BluRay (BluTurd) you will
need a better card... an HDCP compliant one at that. Sorry. Just
the facts, man.

First I'll need a drive capable of reading them, then I'll need some
HD-DVDs, and then I'll upgrade to a better video card when needed. If I
can't get them to work with Linux, I'll probably just use a stand-alone
player.

The good thing is... you won't be disappointed. They do HDTV modes
better than you think, and far better than that 5200.

The 5200 does a fine job of producing a native 1280x720 picture on the
projector and accelerating my current video playback. Now maybe when I have
a 1920x1280 projector, I'll need a better card.

MassiveProng wrote:
On Thu, 5 Apr 2007 21:40:20 -0500, "Anthony Fremont"
Gave us:

Ouch, and only a 3 year warranty. Get 2 of the WD's and save $100,
plus get a 5 year warranty.


WDs are lame for long term reliability.

From what I've seen over the past few years, they've all become lame. It
doesn't seem to matter who makes them, they all fail far too quickly.
Maxtor, Fujitsu, WD, Seagate, etc. I got stacks of all of them.

Get a Seagate, and don't even care about the warranty. It will
outlast it, guaranteed.

MassiveProng wrote:
On Thu, 5 Apr 2007 21:53:04 -0500, "Anthony Fremont"
Gave us:

MassiveProng wrote:
On Thu, 5 Apr 2007 09:10:51 -0500, "Anthony Fremont"
Gave us:

I'm not to keen on LCD myself. The light leakage and poor black
levels aren't too cool. The color banding blows too. I wish the
manufacturers would just stop lying and admit that they can't even
accomplish true 24 bit color yet. If you can see banding, then it
aint 24 bit.


No, I was referring to a new technology where they used DLP mirror
arrays, but illuminate with LED light instead of color wheel crap.

Oh ok. I honestly can't see the industry letting go of the $400
replacement bulb gravy train they've got going now. What do you
want to bet that whatever they come up with will require some kind
of consumable.

Absolutely not. The article I read specifically mentioned direct
competition with that segment.

They'll
run the LEDs on the verge of self-destruction and let the power
company take care of the rest. I have good UPS's on my stuff.

LEDs probably "short" out open.


The color wheel does ok, faster and more segments would eliminate the
rainbows. There has to be a point that you just can't see them
anymore. Some manufacturers are using color wheels with six
different colors instead of three.

It is still old technology.

And LCD is not? DLP is the newest technology on the shelves AFAIK.

The LEDs are far less consuming and far longer lifespan.

We will have to see on that. It sure looks like they're burning out in
traffic signals and car tail lights fast enough. The light source will be
expensive and it will have a limited life (man-made at least).

On Fri, 6 Apr 2007 08:01:41 -0500, "Anthony Fremont"
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First I'll need a drive capable of reading them, then I'll need some
HD-DVDs, and then I'll upgrade to a better video card when needed. If I
can't get them to work with Linux, I'll probably just use a stand-alone
player.


Most of which have RS-232 control interface set ups.

On Fri, 6 Apr 2007 08:04:56 -0500, "Anthony Fremont"
Gave us:

From what I've seen over the past few years, they've all become lame. It
doesn't seem to matter who makes them, they all fail far too quickly.
Maxtor, Fujitsu, WD, Seagate, etc. I got stacks of all of them.

I wouldn't buy any of those BUT the Seagates. What you are doing to
your drives, we'll never know.

Actually, I do probably know.

If you are not running a database server, you do not need to be
defragging your drives more than once a month or even two months.
I go three.

If you are one of those "daily defrag" twits,. THAT IS your problem
with dead drives.

On Fri, 6 Apr 2007 08:10:25 -0500, "Anthony Fremont"
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It is still old technology.

And LCD is not? DLP is the newest technology on the shelves AFAIK.


You MISSED IT AGAIN.

NOT LCD. LED illuminated DLP!

Also, LCD advances every few months.

On Fri, 6 Apr 2007 08:10:25 -0500, "Anthony Fremont"
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We will have to see on that. It sure looks like they're burning out in
traffic signals and car tail lights fast enough.

That's bull****. Bus Lines, as well as traffic controllers switched
to them SPECIFICALLY due to the FACT that they have a longer life
span, and lower consumption rate.

The light source will be
expensive and it will have a limited life (man-made at least).

Bulbs yes. LEDs, no. That stats already exist.

MassiveProng wrote:
On Fri, 6 Apr 2007 08:04:56 -0500, "Anthony Fremont"
Gave us:

From what I've seen over the past few years, they've all become
lame. It doesn't seem to matter who makes them, they all fail far
too quickly. Maxtor, Fujitsu, WD, Seagate, etc. I got stacks of all
of them.

I wouldn't buy any of those BUT the Seagates. What you are doing to
your drives, we'll never know.

They're not mine, they're customers' drives.

Actually, I do probably know.

If you are not running a database server, you do not need to be
defragging your drives more than once a month or even two months.
I go three.

I don't defrag Linux and on my windos computers I defrag maybe once a year.

If you are one of those "daily defrag" twits,. THAT IS your problem
with dead drives.

I don't wast my time with that crap, it rarely makes any difference at all.
Until I started using CA, I didn't even run an anti-virus package. It's
less time consuming for me to clean up the damage (which almost never occurs
anyway) than it is to put up with the constant slow-downs and system
problems from using something like Norton. Norton.....what a POS.....it is
the virus. Now my customers love me just because I rid them of the Norton
virus and replace it with something else. They can't believe the
performance increase.

As for bad drives, I see them all the time. I just replaced one in a $3000
laptop that was well under a year old. Guess what, it was a deskstar.
And another thing, S.M.A.R.T is worthless at predicting drive failure.

MassiveProng wrote:
On Fri, 6 Apr 2007 08:10:25 -0500, "Anthony Fremont"
Gave us:

We will have to see on that. It sure looks like they're burning out
in traffic signals and car tail lights fast enough.

That's bull****. Bus Lines, as well as traffic controllers switched
to them SPECIFICALLY due to the FACT that they have a longer life
span, and lower consumption rate.

And you don't see failures? Take a good look at traffic lights, you can
usually find dead pixels in them. They might last longer, but they aren't
eternal.

On a slightly different note, I'm disturbed at the number of vehicles I see
that don't have working tail lights. Not old vehicles, but newer ones (3
years old) that shouldn't have these kinds of failures. It looks to me like
over-all reliability is going the other way while expense and complexity are
going up. I know those failures are for other reasons, but they are
failures none the less.

The light source will be
expensive and it will have a limited life (man-made at least).

Bulbs yes. LEDs, no. That stats already exist.

Like always, they will be operated at the maximum power dissipation that
gives a life expectancy just longer than the warranty period. Why do you
think it would be any different? Just look at regular light bulbs, a 10%
reduction in voltage greatly increases life expectancy. Given that, it
stands to reason that manufacturers could just make the filament a little
sturdier to accomplish the same thing. Why aren't any manufacturers doing
that?

On Sat, 7 Apr 2007 08:13:21 -0500, "Anthony Fremont"
Gave us:

As for bad drives, I see them all the time. I just replaced one in a $3000
laptop that was well under a year old. Guess what, it was a deskstar.
And another thing, S.M.A.R.T is worthless at predicting drive failure.


Jeez, 2.5" laptop drives are even harder to kill! What the **** are
your friends doing over there, ****ing on everything?

Maybe the drive makers sell you guys the **** end of the test lots!

Or maybe that guy's Porn is making the drive laugh at him.

You are jinxed, because I have NEVER seen so many dead drives as you
seem to claim are in abundance in your little circle.

And oh... we DO use them... we thrash the hell out of them.

Maybe you are in the airstream of a very salty body of water...
Could be any number of things.

Anyway, WD, Fuj, Maxturd... I never buy. Seagate has much higher
MTBF numbers, are quieter, and are used in military circles, which is
really what says the most about them.
I would also buy IBM (now Hitachi) or Hitachi drives.

IBM was the leader in MR recording technology, and WD and the other
use IBM's technology in their drives. They still have the record for
areal density on horizontal recording tech, and now also have it on
the perpendicular stuff.

MassiveProng wrote:
On Sat, 7 Apr 2007 08:13:21 -0500, "Anthony Fremont"
Gave us:

As for bad drives, I see them all the time. I just replaced one in
a $3000 laptop that was well under a year old. Guess what, it was a
deskstar.
And another thing, S.M.A.R.T is worthless at predicting drive
failure.


Jeez, 2.5" laptop drives are even harder to kill! What the **** are
your friends doing over there, ****ing on everything?

Maybe the drive makers sell you guys the **** end of the test lots!

Or maybe that guy's Porn is making the drive laugh at him.

You are jinxed, because I have NEVER seen so many dead drives as you
seem to claim are in abundance in your little circle.

I maintain scores of pcs, drive failures are common in "my little circle".
I'm not just talking "dead" drives, but ones that develop bad sectors
visible to the OS. Look at your system logs in xp for any "disk" errors.
They'll show up there and xp won't say a thing about it other than that.
It'll just keep on retrying the same dead sectors, it's pitiful.

And oh... we DO use them... we thrash the hell out of them.

Maybe you are in the airstream of a very salty body of water...
Could be any number of things.

Humidity is real high here, maybe that has something to do with it. It's
almost always the same thing, bad sectors appear and then multiply.
Sometimes it's the power on clunk thing with WDs.

Anyway, WD, Fuj, Maxturd... I never buy. Seagate has much higher
MTBF numbers, are quieter, and are used in military circles, which is
really what says the most about them.
I would also buy IBM (now Hitachi) or Hitachi drives.

IBM was the leader in MR recording technology, and WD and the other
use IBM's technology in their drives. They still have the record for
areal density on horizontal recording tech, and now also have it on
the perpendicular stuff.

Many moons ago, when I was a full time programmer, we had this IBM PS2
thingy that had a raid array and ran MVS on an XCP card. It ran constantly
for like two years. The site power was scheduled to be off for an extended
time and we shut the machine down for the weekend. On Monday, 3 of 6 drives
refused to go back online..... so much for Raid-5 (real raid-5 too, not that
BS software crap). They were IBM SCSI drives all mounted on their sides.
This was about 12 years ago.

On Sat, 7 Apr 2007 08:28:07 -0500, "Anthony Fremont"
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On a slightly different note, I'm disturbed at the number of vehicles I see
that don't have working tail lights. Not old vehicles, but newer ones (3
years old) that shouldn't have these kinds of failures. It looks to me like
over-all reliability is going the other way while expense and complexity are
going up. I know those failures are for other reasons, but they are
failures none the less.


The DOT should be on top of the makers, ensuring that they have
rugged drive circuitry feeding the "lamps".

I have never seen them on Busses, but they get daily safety lane
examinations.

On Sat, 7 Apr 2007 08:28:07 -0500, "Anthony Fremont"
Gave us:

Like always, they will be operated at the maximum power dissipation that
gives a life expectancy just longer than the warranty period. Why do you
think it would be any different? Just look at regular light bulbs, a 10%
reduction in voltage greatly increases life expectancy. Given that, it
stands to reason that manufacturers could just make the filament a little
sturdier to accomplish the same thing. Why aren't any manufacturers doing
that?


Most cars these days have halogen headlights.

On Sat, 7 Apr 2007 09:15:15 -0500, "Anthony Fremont"
Gave us:


I maintain scores of pcs, drive failures are common in "my little circle".
I'm not just talking "dead" drives, but ones that develop bad sectors
visible to the OS. Look at your system logs in xp for any "disk" errors.
They'll show up there and xp won't say a thing about it other than that.
It'll just keep on retrying the same dead sectors, it's pitiful.


That makes me even more glad to be running Vista then.

Also, you still using FAT32?!

AFAIK NTFS drives don't have the same problems, and the hard drive
itself is supposed to map out bad sectors automatically, and
transparently on a well designed and manufactured drive.