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after installing toilet found too close to wall,H20 tank wont fit right, need 2in+
After installing toilet started to finish with installing h20 tank. Water
tank tilts forward. Need to move toilet at least 2 in more away from wall for tank to fit. Need to insert something into existing system with an attached flange so I can attach toilet to new flange and secure properly and have additional space for the water tank to fit.. This is a existing concrete floor with an existing workable flange. Just need the extra space. How do I get extra space or What should I use to create this extra needed space so I can attach water tank to toilet and finish my project. -- |
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On Thu, 10 Apr 2014 16:44:01 -0700, WW
wrote: After installing toilet started to finish with installing h20 tank. Water tank tilts forward. Need to move toilet at least 2 in more away from wall for tank to fit. Need to insert something into existing system with an attached flange so I can attach toilet to new flange and secure properly and have additional space for the water tank to fit.. This is a existing concrete floor with an existing workable flange. Just need the extra space. How do I get extra space or What should I use to create this extra needed space so I can attach water tank to toilet and finish my project. Is cutting an alcove into the offending wall not an option? |
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On 04/10/2014 06:44 PM, WW wrote:
After installing toilet started to finish with installing h20 tank. Water tank tilts forward. Need to move toilet at least 2 in more away from wall for tank to fit. Need to insert something into existing system with an attached flange so I can attach toilet to new flange and secure properly and have additional space for the water tank to fit.. This is a existing concrete floor with an existing workable flange. Just need the extra space. How do I get extra space or What should I use to create this extra needed space so I can attach water tank to toilet and finish my project. That does not sound like a very practical idea the chances of getting something to fit and not leak are pretty slim. I'd get a toilet with the dimensions of the previous one or a "high tank" toilet. |
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On Thu, 10 Apr 2014 23:44:01 +0000, WW
wrote: After installing toilet started to finish with installing h20 tank. Water tank tilts forward. Need to move toilet at least 2 in more away from wall for tank to fit. Need to insert something into existing system with an attached flange so I can attach toilet to new flange and secure properly and have additional space for the water tank to fit.. This is a existing concrete floor with an existing workable flange. Just need the extra space. How do I get extra space or What should I use to create this extra needed space so I can attach water tank to toilet and finish my project. Toilets have what is called an offset from the wall. You may have the wrong one? The offset is measured from the finished wall to the center of the drain pipe, usually. You may find an offset flange that will give you the distance from the wall to pipe measurement, that you need. The offset is figured with a finished wall or compensated for drywall http://www.johnbridge.com/images/mike2/For%20Liberry%20Stuff/Plumbing/Toilet%20Rough%20In.jpg http://www.ursuspacificus.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/dscn1955_480x360.jpg http://static.ddmcdn.com/gif/installing-a-toilet.jpg |
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On Thu, 10 Apr 2014 16:44:01 -0700, WW
wrote: Sigh. Another moaner who doesn't know what usenet is. -- .. Christopher A. Young Learn about Jesus www.lds.org .. |
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philo wrote:
On 04/10/2014 06:44 PM, WW wrote: After installing toilet started to finish with installing h20 tank. Water tank tilts forward. Need to move toilet at least 2 in more away from wall for tank to fit. Need to insert something into existing system with an attached flange so I can attach toilet to new flange and secure properly and have additional space for the water tank to fit.. This is a existing concrete floor with an existing workable flange. Just need the extra space. How do I get extra space or What should I use to create this extra needed space so I can attach water tank to toilet and finish my project. That does not sound like a very practical idea the chances of getting something to fit and not leak are pretty slim. I'd get a toilet with the dimensions of the previous one or a "high tank" toilet. Hi, Measure three time B4 you cut. Does this apply here as well? For me it is difficult to understand the situation. Is there a smaller tank available some how? |
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Stormin Mormon wrote:
On Thu, 10 Apr 2014 16:44:01 -0700, WW wrote: Sigh. Another moaner who doesn't know what usenet is. Sigh. Another unwarranted, unnecessary and unwanted comment. |
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WW:
I agree with Oren on everything except the terminology. Oren says that different toilets come with different "offsets", and I call those different "rough-ins". The rough-in is the distance from the middle of the toilet's drain pipe to the surface of the finished wall. Nowadays, most toilets are made to fit a 12 inch rough-in. However, most toilet companies will make toilets that fit a 10 inch rough-in and some will make toilets that fit a 14 inch rough-in. In your case, you probably removed a toilet that had a 10 inch rough-in, and you replaced it with one with a 12 inch rough-in, and now you're discovering that it won't fit properly. If you return the new toilet you have for a refund, and buy a toilet with a 10 inch rough-in, you should be OK. As I did a Google search for "standard rough-in", I came across this page on e-Bay listing a fair number of brand new toilets that are made with a 10 inch rough-in: 10" Rough in Toilet | eBay Also, now that you have the toilet out, it's a good idea to paint the area directly behind where the toilet tank will be with several coats of interior oil based primer, which you still should be able to buy, followed by a couple of coats of Zinsser's Perma-White Bathroom Paint. The primer will be impervious to moisture, and you need that in the small gap between the toilet tank and the wall behind. Without that oil based primer, any condensation that accumulates on the wall behind the toilet tank will seep into the plaster or drywall and cause water damage to the wall there. Painting with an alkyd primer prevents the moisture from being absorbed into the plaster or drywall, and thereby prevents that water damage. Last edited by nestork : April 11th 14 at 03:27 AM |
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There are toilet flanges that have an offset. Can you remove the current flange from the drain pipe and use an offset flange? Any reasonable plumbing supply house will have offset flanges. You could also replace the 2x4 in the wall behind the toilet with 2x2 and refinish the wall to create a tiny alcove if the offset flange does not give you enough offset.
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On Fri, 11 Apr 2014 04:18:22 +0200, nestork
wrote: I agree with Oren on everything except the terminology. Oren says that different toilets come with different "offsets", and I call those different "rough-ins". Rough-in is the correct term. I had "offset" flange on my mind at the time |
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replying to nestork , Mr. Kim M wrote:
nestork.d8d1428 wrote: WW: I agree with Oren on everything except the terminology. Oren says that different toilets come with different "offsets", and I call those different "rough-ins". The rough-in is the distance from the middle of the toilet's drain pipe to the surface of the finished wall. Nowadays, most toilets are made to fit a 12 inch rough-in. However, most toilet companies will make toilets that fit a 10 inch rough-in and some will make toilets that fit a 14 inch rough-in. In your case, you probably removed a toilet that had a 10 inch rough-in, and you replaced it with one with a 12 inch rough-in, and now you're discovering that it won't fit properly. If you return the new toilet you have for a refund, and buy a toilet with a 10 inch rough-in, you should be OK. As I did a Google search for "standard rough-in", I came across this page on e-Bay listing a fair number of brand new toilets that are made with a 10 inch rough-in: '10" Rough in Toilet | eBay' (http://www.ebay.com/bhp/10-rough-in-toilet) Also, now that you have the toilet out, it's a good idea to paint the area directly behind where the toilet tank will be with several coats of interior oil based primer, which you still should be able to buy, followed by a couple of coats of Zinsser's Perma-White Bathroom Paint. The primer will be impervious to moisture, and you need that in the small gap between the toilet tank and the wall behind. Without that oil based primer, any condensation that accumulates on the wall behind the toilet tank will seep into the plaster or drywall and cause water damage to the wall there. Painting with an alkyd primer prevents the moisture from being absorbed into the plaster or drywall, and thereby prevents that water damage. Thank you for the information. I did measure as you suggested and the measurements were correct. I did not know the wall is not square. Thank you again for info. -- |
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On 4/10/2014 6:44 PM, WW wrote:
After installing toilet started to finish with installing h20 tank. Water tank tilts forward. Need to move toilet at least 2 in more away from wall for tank to fit. Need to insert something into existing system with an attached flange so I can attach toilet to new flange and secure properly and have additional space for the water tank to fit.. This is a existing concrete floor with an existing workable flange. Just need the extra space. How do I get extra space or What should I use to create this extra needed space so I can attach water tank to toilet and finish my project. There are two toilet models. Most common is a 12" rough in, meaning finish wall to center of floor opening is 12". There are 10" rough in units that should be readily available. The other recourse would be to remove the existing floor flange and get and install an offset floor flange: http://www.plumbingsupply.com/toiletflanges.html. As far as I know these only come as 1 " and 1 1/2" offsets. -- ___________________________________ Keep the whole world singing . . . Dan G remove the seven |
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after installing toilet found too close to wall,H20 tank wont fit right, need 2in+
"WW" wrote in message oups.com... After installing toilet started to finish with installing h20 tank. Water tank tilts forward. Need to move toilet at least 2 in more away from wall for tank to fit. Need to insert something into existing system with an attached flange so I can attach toilet to new flange and secure properly and have additional space for the water tank to fit.. This is a existing concrete floor with an existing workable flange. Just need the extra space. How do I get extra space or What should I use to create this extra needed space so I can attach water tank to toilet and finish my project. -- Some one using my site. The REAL WW |
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On 4/10/2014 6:44 PM, WW wrote:
After installing toilet started to finish with installing h20 tank. Water tank tilts forward. Need to move toilet at least 2 in more away from wall for tank to fit. Need to insert something into existing system with an attached flange so I can attach toilet to new flange and secure properly and have additional space for the water tank to fit.. This is a existing concrete floor with an existing workable flange. Just need the extra space. How do I get extra space or What should I use to create this extra needed space so I can attach water tank to toilet and finish my project. As has already been explained, you needed a toilet to fit a shorter rough-in space. If you can't get a toilet to fit the smaller area right away, and need a toilet right now, you can probably make do by installing a smaller tank, one sized for the confined spaces in RVs and mobile homes. Odds are it will fit. |
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On Thursday, April 10, 2014 at 7:44:01 PM UTC-4, WW wrote:
After installing toilet started to finish with installing h20 tank. Water tank tilts forward. Need to move toilet at least 2 in more away from wall for tank to fit. Need to insert something into existing system with an attached flange so I can attach toilet to new flange and secure properly and have additional space for the water tank to fit.. This is a existing concrete floor with an existing workable flange. Just need the extra space. How do I get extra space or What should I use to create this extra needed space so I can attach water tank to toilet and finish my project. -- I have issue with 36 yr old Eljer Touch Flush. I have put up with 3 in the house for 30 yrs. I am too cheap to replace. The internal tank parts are garbage. I keep several repair kits on the shlf. Now master plumbers, I found the tank bolts had rotted away when one dropped to the floor. I did not pull tank and rplace the gasket. When I got done tightening the bolts the da-- tank is now 1/8" from the wall. So, since I didn't disturb the tank why is it now closer to the wall. I'm thinking the original plumber put it together, found the offset a bit close and left slack in the tank so it would len forward. Great workmanship found out after 30 yr. So, do I leave tank loos? |
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after installing toilet found too close to wall,H20 tank wont fitright, need 2in+
After installing toilet started to finish with installing h20 tank. Water tank tilts forward. Need to move toilet at least 2 in more away from wall for tank to fit. Need to insert something into existing system with an attached flange so I can attach toilet to new flange and secure properly and have additional space for the water tank to fit.. This is a existing concrete floor with an existing workable flange. Just need the extra space. How do I get extra space or What should I use to create this extra needed space so I can attach water tank to toilet and finish my project. 2" is quite a move. There is such a thing as an offset flange for predicaments such as yours. Go to a plumbing supply company and ask about solutions to your problem. |
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On 4/14/2015 6:26 AM, John G wrote:
After installing toilet started to finish with installing h20 tank. Water tank tilts forward. Need to move toilet at least 2 in more away from wall for tank to fit. Need to insert something into existing system with an attached flange so I can attach toilet to new flange and secure properly and have additional space for the water tank to fit.. This is a existing concrete floor with an existing workable flange. Just need the extra space. How do I get extra space or What should I use to create this extra needed space so I can attach water tank to toilet and finish my project. 2" is quite a move. There is such a thing as an offset flange for predicaments such as yours. Go to a plumbing supply company and ask about solutions to your problem. There are offset flanges available. They are usually 2" and, I think, were designed to adapt 14" (wall to waste pipe) toilets to 12" and vice versa. I used one in a very small powder room where the toilet was deliberately put in a place so that the door would clear when opening inward. I changed the door to a pocket door and re-did the cabinets. In order to "fit" the cabinets, I needed to move the toilet 2" to the right, basically away towards the door. Unfortunately, the floor was concrete. I figured it wouldn't be too bad to chisel way a few inches, however, I eventually had to rent an electric power jack hammer. It took only about 5 minutes and the job was done. Next the cast iron pipe needed to be cut about 2" inches shorter (below the floor surface) to make room for the flange. I used a router with a 2 or 3 inch cutting wheel on an extension. Because this kludge wasn't rated to be run at router speed, I used a variac to slow it down. Again it didn't take too long and it was done. The new flange was inserted with a rubber seal ring and the floor was patched with concrete. Way too much work, but I was younger at the time and the whole remodel looked fabulous. |
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... On Thursday, April 10, 2014 at 7:44:01 PM UTC-4, WW wrote: After installing toilet started to finish with installing h20 tank. Water tank tilts forward. Need to move toilet at least 2 in more away from wall for tank to fit. Need to insert something into existing system with an attached flange so I can attach toilet to new flange and secure properly and have additional space for the water tank to fit.. This is a existing concrete floor with an existing workable flange. Just need the extra space. How do I get extra space or What should I use to create this extra needed space so I can attach water tank to toilet and finish my project. You buy a toilet that fits, rubber lips. ^@^ |
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On Tue, 14 Apr 2015 08:45:51 -0400, Art Todesco
wrote: There are offset flanges available. They are usually 2" and, I think, were designed to adapt 14" (wall to waste pipe) toilets to 12" and vice versa. I used one in a very small powder room where the toilet was deliberately put in a place so that the door would clear when opening inward. I changed the door to a pocket door and re-did the cabinets. You mean they didn't just cut a hunk off the bottom of the door so it would clear the toilet? Yes, in my years of working as a plumber, I saw this several times! |
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WW wrote:
After installing toilet started to finish with installing h20 tank. Water tank tilts forward. Need to move toilet at least 2 in more away from wall for tank to fit. Need to insert something into existing system with an attached flange so I can attach toilet to new flange and secure properly and have additional space for the water tank to fit.. This is a existing concrete floor with an existing workable flange. Just need the extra space. How do I get extra space or What should I use to create this extra needed space so I can attach water tank to toilet and finish my project. Move the wall. |
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On Wed, 15 Apr 2015 13:52:25 -0400, No name wrote:
WW wrote: After installing toilet started to finish with installing h20 tank. Water tank tilts forward. Need to move toilet at least 2 in more away from wall for tank to fit. Need to insert something into existing system with an attached flange so I can attach toilet to new flange and secure properly and have additional space for the water tank to fit.. This is a existing concrete floor with an existing workable flange. Just need the extra space. How do I get extra space or What should I use to create this extra needed space so I can attach water tank to toilet and finish my project. Move the wall. Turn the toilet sideways, or get a different toilet,. Some take more space than others. Standard is 12 inches center of pipe to finished wall, but there are 10 inch offset units available.The Cadet Pro Ada is available in 10 inch elongated., so is the American Standard Cadet 3. The Kohler Cimmaron round is also available in 10 - likely lots of others. You can not put your 12 inch toilet in, even with an ofset flange, and have it flush reliably. |
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On Wed, 15 Apr 2015 14:45:39 -0500, Moe DeLoughan
wrote: On 4/14/2015 4:35 PM, wrote: On Tue, 14 Apr 2015 08:45:51 -0400, Art Todesco wrote: There are offset flanges available. They are usually 2" and, I think, were designed to adapt 14" (wall to waste pipe) toilets to 12" and vice versa. I used one in a very small powder room where the toilet was deliberately put in a place so that the door would clear when opening inward. I changed the door to a pocket door and re-did the cabinets. You mean they didn't just cut a hunk off the bottom of the door so it would clear the toilet? Yes, in my years of working as a plumber, I saw this several times! Years ago, a coworker of mine hired a handyman to replace her toilet. The handyman failed to check out the existing toilet/bathroom first. He replaced a round bowl commode with an elongated model. Problem was just as you've described - it was next to the door, so now the door hit the rim of the new toilet. The handyman's solution: he cut a slot in the door at the level of the bowl. And that, folks, is an example of how hiring a handyman can be a buyer-beware experience. Before I became a plumber, I worked as a handyman. That is how I got the plumbing job. But anyhow, I would have never considered doing such a thing. I always did things right. In fact I got a few customers wanting me to do a half assed slop job, thinking it would be cheaper. I would explain that it would NOT be cheaper, if I had to use junky materials or patch together a faucet that was clearly overdue for replacement, and so on. If they insisted on getting a slop job, I usually told them to find someone else to do the work. I had plenty of work, and did not need to do jobs which would cause me problems. Doing a half assed job only invites callbacks, and then they expect the callback work for free. Anyhow, like everything, there are good and bad workers as well as their customers. But yea, I did see more than one door cut to fit around a toilet, and more than once I was called just to do something about this issued by a new home owner who bought the house with the cut away door. I recall one where there was no way to get a toilet that would fit, so after discussing this with the owner, the solution was to replace the door and frame, and make the door open outwards, which worked fine. |
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On Mon, 25 Apr 2016 22:04:41 -0700 (PDT),
wrote: My tolit tank does not fit its 1/2ways in the wall Sue your plumber. |
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My tolit tank does not fit its 1/2ways in the wall
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On Thu, 28 Apr 2016 14:41:48 -0400, Tekkie®
wrote: He could also try an offset flange in desperation... He could know the rough in size for the toilet from the finished wail/baseboard, then avoid desperation. ....just sayin' |
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On Thursday, April 28, 2016 at 2:41:55 PM UTC-4, Tekkie® wrote:
Moe DeLoughan posted for all of us... On 4/26/2016 12:04 AM, wrote: My tolit tank does not fit its 1/2ways in the wall Sounds like you didn't measure the rough-in before purchasing your toilet. The the rough-in is the distance from the wall behind the toilet to the middle of the waste pipe the toilet will fit over. The current standard is a 12-inch rough-in, but older homes often have a 10-inch rough-in. You should always measure the rough-in before buying a new toilet, to make sure you get one that will fit the space. You'll need to pull the toiler and purchase one that fits the space. Your local store may have one in stock, or they may have to special order it for you. If it's a two-piece toilet, you could look for a smaller, narrower tank designed to fit toilets in mobile homes or RVs and see if you can make it fit to the existing stool portion of your current toilet. But installing a toilet sized to fit the space is the best bet. He could also try an offset flange in desperation... -- Tekkie We put in a bunch of them at work, in a dorm. Bad idea. Now we're ripping them all out and redoing. Kept getting backed up toilets. |
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replying to nestork, Anti-Hypocrite wrote:
I just bought a 10" rough "Jacuzzi" brand toilet for this very same reason. The closet bolts line up perfectly and the toilet sits in the space just right, but the tank is still 1" too far back and cannot be seated on the toilet because it is blocked by the wall. So much for the 10" rough in solution. -- for full context, visit https://www.homeownershub.com/mainte...on-792041-.htm |
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Anti-Hypocrite posted for all of us...
replying to nestork, Anti-Hypocrite wrote: I just bought a 10" rough "Jacuzzi" brand toilet for this very same reason. The closet bolts line up perfectly and the toilet sits in the space just right, but the tank is still 1" too far back and cannot be seated on the toilet because it is blocked by the wall. So much for the 10" rough in solution. -- for full context, visit https://www.homeownershub.com/mainte...on-792041-.htm Nestork hasn't been around for years. Get a real newsreader and find out that this has been discussed many times. -- Tekkie |
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On Tuesday, July 31, 2018 at 7:44:06 AM UTC-5, Anti-Hypocrite wrote:
replying to nestork, Anti-Hypocrite wrote: I just bought a 10" rough "Jacuzzi" brand toilet for this very same reason. The closet bolts line up perfectly and the toilet sits in the space just right, but the tank is still 1" too far back and cannot be seated on the toilet because it is blocked by the wall. So much for the 10" rough in solution. -- for full context, visit https://www.homeownershub.com/mainte...on-792041-.htm I love Tekkie's reply to you, spot on!! Four year old post, dummy. |
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