Why doesn't everyone just get a panel saw for cutting large sheet
goods? Seems like a much better option than even a sliding table saw.

JP

Jay Pique writes:
Why doesn't everyone just get a panel saw for cutting large sheet
goods? Seems like a much better option than even a sliding table saw.

JP

Reason #1) No dollars.
Reason #2) No space.

scott

yup that's about the list



"Scott Lurndal" wrote in message
.. .
Jay Pique writes:
Why doesn't everyone just get a panel saw for cutting large sheet
goods? Seems like a much better option than even a sliding table saw.

JP

Reason #1) No dollars.
Reason #2) No space.

scott

Scott Lurndal wrote:
Reason #1) No dollars.
Reason #2) No space.


And if I might add to the list, the dollars it would take to
buy one would take away from the dollars to buy a stroke
sander and the space it would take up would take space away
from the space where'd I'd be keeping my stroke sander.

UA100, who'd much rather have a stroke sander any day...

In article ,
says...
Why doesn't everyone just get a panel saw for cutting large sheet
goods? Seems like a much better option than even a sliding table saw.

JP




A, good ones are expensive

B, they take up space better used in other ways

C, Might be a good investment if all you ever cut is sheet goods
but.....................

D, see C

--
MikeG
Heirloom Woods
www.heirloom-woods.net

"Jay Pique" wrote in message
news
Why doesn't everyone just get a panel saw for cutting large sheet
goods? Seems like a much better option than even a sliding table saw.

It prolly is.
Just how much moola you got to throw at this hobby?

Why doesn't everyone just get a panel saw for cutting large sheet
goods? Seems like a much better option than even a sliding table saw.

JP

Because not everyone has the money. hehe.

Also the panel saw is awesome but it is limited in its function so not
everyone has the need of a specialty tool.

Never used a sliding table saw so dont know if its better or not. I would
love to have the sliding table saw to try it out.


Rich

On Thu, 22 Jul 2004 21:33:45 GMT, Unisaw A100
wrote:

Scott Lurndal wrote:
Reason #1) No dollars.
Reason #2) No space.


And if I might add to the list, the dollars it would take to
buy one would take away from the dollars to buy a stroke
sander and the space it would take up would take space away
from the space where'd I'd be keeping my stroke sander.

Ooooh yeah - I've simply GOT to get one of those as well. Maybe I'd
better add another thousand feet to my fictitious shop so I can
properly house my imaginary panel saw and stroke sander.

JP
********************
What budget?

On Thu, 22 Jul 2004 22:19:52 GMT, "patrick conroy"
wrote:


"Jay Pique" wrote in message
news
Why doesn't everyone just get a panel saw for cutting large sheet
goods? Seems like a much better option than even a sliding table saw.

It prolly is.
Just how much moola you got to throw at this hobby?

Let's see...gross income less FICA plus illegal gambling gains less
social security plus change stolen from neighbors couch divided by
avacados number equals right around "zero". I am, however, a "paid
professional", whatever that means.

JP
*************
Learning.

On Thu, 22 Jul 2004 18:58:27 -0400, Jay Pique
wrote:

Ooooh yeah - I've simply GOT to get one of those as well.

Yeah, but are you actually going to _make_ anything ?

Andy Dingley wrote:
On Thu, 22 Jul 2004 18:58:27 -0400, Jay Pique
wrote:

Ooooh yeah - I've simply GOT to get one of those as well.

Yeah, but are you actually going to _make_ anything ?

Maybe not, but it's nice to know I *could*! g

-- Mark

I am curious as to what you mean by "limited in it function"?
I have two in the shop one is unable to use dado blades and the other one is
dado capable. Other than this fact what is limited about these saws? As
compared to any decent cabinetmaking saw???
I find them to be far more useful and productive than a regular table
saw.

Chris

"Rich" wrote in message
om...

Why doesn't everyone just get a panel saw for cutting large sheet
goods? Seems like a much better option than even a sliding table saw.

JP

Because not everyone has the money. hehe.

Also the panel saw is awesome but it is limited in its function so not
everyone has the need of a specialty tool.

Never used a sliding table saw so dont know if its better or not. I would
love to have the sliding table saw to try it out.


Rich

Mark Jerde wrote:
Ooooh yeah - I've simply GOT to get one of those as well.

Yeah, but are you actually going to _make_ anything ?

Maybe not, but it's nice to know I *could*! g



That's been my theory all along. Who the hell can afford wood after buying all
this stuff?



--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN


http://www.mortimerschnerd.com

On Thu, 22 Jul 2004 19:00:59 -0400, Jay Pique
wrote:

|On Thu, 22 Jul 2004 22:19:52 GMT, "patrick conroy"
wrote:
|
|
|"Jay Pique" wrote in message
|news |
| Why doesn't everyone just get a panel saw for cutting large sheet
| goods? Seems like a much better option than even a sliding table saw.
|
|It prolly is.
|Just how much moola you got to throw at this hobby?
|
|Let's see...gross income less FICA plus illegal gambling gains less
|social security plus change stolen from neighbors couch divided by
|avacados number equals right around "zero". I am, however, a "paid
|professional", whatever that means.

I'm confused. Do you mean "Avogadro's number" (6.02*10^23) or
"avocado"?

Which brings up the question, can you make anything out of avocado
(persea) other than guacamole? [g]

Wes Stewart wrote:

On Thu, 22 Jul 2004 19:00:59 -0400, Jay Pique
wrote:

|On Thu, 22 Jul 2004 22:19:52 GMT, "patrick conroy"
wrote:
|
|
|"Jay Pique" wrote in message
|news |
| Why doesn't everyone just get a panel saw for cutting large sheet
| goods? Seems like a much better option than even a sliding table saw.
|
|It prolly is.
|Just how much moola you got to throw at this hobby?
|
|Let's see...gross income less FICA plus illegal gambling gains less
|social security plus change stolen from neighbors couch divided by
|avacados number equals right around "zero". I am, however, a "paid
|professional", whatever that means.

I'm confused. Do you mean "Avogadro's number" (6.02*10^23) or
"avocado"?

Which brings up the question, can you make anything out of avocado
(persea) other than guacamole? [g]

Avacados (a vaca dos): To two cows?
Avacados number ::= 2

(-:

--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto, Iowa USA

Reason #1) No dollars.
Reason #2) No space.

I saw a good one go at auction for $100. I wanted it so badly, but then
reason #2 kicked in.

I'm also wondering about all the "no money, no space" justifications. I
have a 9x19 shop with no table saw. The bandsaw is my primary saw. I was
considering building a panel saw and mounting it on the wall. It seems me
that would be relatively inexpensive and wouldn't take up that much room
mounted on the wall. Am I missing something?

Mark

"Chris Melanson" wrote in message
news:xFYLc.108903$eO.97494@edtnps89...
I am curious as to what you mean by "limited in it function"?
I have two in the shop one is unable to use dado blades and the other one
is
dado capable. Other than this fact what is limited about these saws? As
compared to any decent cabinetmaking saw???
I find them to be far more useful and productive than a regular table
saw.

Chris

"Rich" wrote in message
om...

Why doesn't everyone just get a panel saw for cutting large sheet
goods? Seems like a much better option than even a sliding table saw.

JP

Because not everyone has the money. hehe.

Also the panel saw is awesome but it is limited in its function so not
everyone has the need of a specialty tool.

Never used a sliding table saw so dont know if its better or not. I
would
love to have the sliding table saw to try it out.


Rich

On Fri, 23 Jul 2004 02:54:20 GMT, "Mark Wells"
wrote:

I'm also wondering about all the "no money, no space" justifications. I
have a 9x19 shop with no table saw. The bandsaw is my primary saw. I was
considering building a panel saw and mounting it on the wall. It seems me
that would be relatively inexpensive and wouldn't take up that much room
mounted on the wall. Am I missing something?

Mark

in use (if you use them for ripping) they take up *16 feet* of wall. I
can set up 3 pretty good sized machines in that space...

Bridger responds:

I'm also wondering about all the "no money, no space" justifications. I
have a 9x19 shop with no table saw. The bandsaw is my primary saw. I was
considering building a panel saw and mounting it on the wall. It seems me
that would be relatively inexpensive and wouldn't take up that much room
mounted on the wall. Am I missing something?

Mark

in use (if you use them for ripping) they take up *16 feet* of wall. I
can set up 3 pretty good sized machines in that space...

It will also tilt out a couple feet and is easier to use if you've got another
few inches shoulder clearance to muscle the boards up to it.

I've got a 25' x 48' shop, and couldn't find space for one if I tried. Besides,
I'll be ripping a lot of 6-8" tulip poplar down to face frame width this
weekend, so I don't really see the benefit for me. I do cut some panels, maybe
about 10 a year. To pay $1000 and more for a machine that is necessary that few
times drives me right over to my circular saw and straight edge.

Someone noted he had two panel saws, one fitted for regular cutting, one for
dados. Sounds like fun, but his shop must be the size of a blimp hanger. I'm
not at all sure, either, how large a dado set one of them would swing, nor how
will it does tilted, nor how well a molding head would fit, nor...just a whole
bunch of things. Can you do a stopped dado? And on from there.

Charlie Self
"I think the most un-American thing you can say is, 'You can't say that.' "
Garrison Keillor

On Thu, 22 Jul 2004 21:10:48 GMT, (Scott Lurndal) wrote:

Jay Pique writes:
Why doesn't everyone just get a panel saw for cutting large sheet
goods? Seems like a much better option than even a sliding table saw.

Reason #2) No space.

Yeah. I thought so too, but my shop is narrow and long, and cutting sheet goods
horizontally was an exercise in contortionism. A few times I'd lay the panels
down out in the back yard and hack them up with Pennstate's saw guide, but I got
tired of shoveling snow out of a section of the outdoor 'annex', or cleaning mud
of of everything.
I saved up for a panel saw over a few years and don't ever regret buying it.
When it stands against the wall it only takes up about a foot of floor space.

Tom Flyer

Thu, Jul 22, 2004, 7:00pm (Jay=A0Pique) admitted:
snip I am, however, a "paid professional" snip

Paid professional what?



JOAT
Every thing that happens stays happened.
- Death waxes philosophical

"Chris Melanson" wrote in message
news:xFYLc.108903$eO.97494@edtnps89...
I am curious as to what you mean by "limited in it function"?
I have two in the shop one is unable to use dado blades and the other one
is
dado capable. Other than this fact what is limited about these saws? As
compared to any decent cabinetmaking saw???
I find them to be far more useful and productive than a regular table
saw.

There maybe panel saws on the market that can cut sheet good at an angle,
but the one in my local Home Depot only cuts vertical and horizontal. What
about diagonal?

I think that is it. For a lot of cutting something like this could pay for
itself. JG

http://www.mytoolstore.com/milwauke/6480.html

MikeG wrote:

In article ,
says...
Why doesn't everyone just get a panel saw for cutting large sheet
goods? Seems like a much better option than even a sliding table saw.

JP



A, good ones are expensive

B, they take up space better used in other ways

C, Might be a good investment if all you ever cut is sheet goods
but.....................

D, see C

--
MikeG
Heirloom Woods
www.heirloom-woods.net

JGS writes:

For a lot of cutting something like this could pay for
itself. JG

http://www.mytoolstore.com/milwauke/6480.html

Probably. But what do you do with the cabinet grade particle board like that I
currently am using: it is 144" x 25".

Charlie Self
"I think the most un-American thing you can say is, 'You can't say that.' "
Garrison Keillor

On Thu, 22 Jul 2004 17:05:43 -0400, Jay Pique wrote:
Why doesn't everyone just get a panel saw for cutting large sheet
goods? Seems like a much better option than even a sliding table saw.

JP

Cooking show (Good Eats -- Recommended) host Alton Brown puts it this
way:

"The only single tasker I permit in my kitchen is the fire
extinguisher." Instead of a garlic press, he uses a marble scrap he got
for free from a tile guy.

Were I making kitchen cabinets for a living, I'd consider the benefits.
BUT, for me, the money-space budget simply doesn't justify it.

I setup sheetgoods on horses with a shop-built guide and cut everything
to finished size at the top of the project with a circular saw. If it's
raining, I might have to rearrange my garage.

Considering it's "Just a circular saw . . " I've done quite a lot of
good accurate woodworking with it. Great multitasker for the guy
(*WAVES*) for whom dissecting sheet goods on a contractor saw is outside
of his comfort/safety zone.

Even if I had a Nahm budget, I'm not sure I'd want one, any more than
I think I'd want his dedicated pocket hole machine and resaw bandsaw,
though obviously if I'm building hundreds of face frames or working with
exotic veneers, that all changes.

*checks to see if SWMBO is reading*

*convinced he's alone, starts sketching how to arrange things to fit the
panel saw, pocket hole machine, Laguna Megablurfl . . . *

Don't you mean "highly comensated professional..."?

And, thanx for reminding me I have a couple avocados waiting to be
converted to guacamole.

Renata

On Thu, 22 Jul 2004 19:00:59 -0400, Jay Pique
wrote:

On Thu, 22 Jul 2004 22:19:52 GMT, "patrick conroy"
wrote:


"Jay Pique" wrote in message
news
Why doesn't everyone just get a panel saw for cutting large sheet
goods? Seems like a much better option than even a sliding table saw.

It prolly is.
Just how much moola you got to throw at this hobby?

Let's see...gross income less FICA plus illegal gambling gains less
social security plus change stolen from neighbors couch divided by
avacados number equals right around "zero". I am, however, a "paid
professional", whatever that means.

JP
*************
Learning.

"U-CDK_CHARLES\Charles" "Charles wrote in message
...

Cooking show (Good Eats -- Recommended) host Alton Brown puts it this
way:

"The only single tasker I permit in my kitchen is the fire
extinguisher." Instead of a garlic press, he uses a marble scrap he got
for free from a tile guy.


Oh bull! Everyone knows a fire extinguisher is not a single task device.
Hell - it can be used as an excellent rolling pin, and all of us know that
it can also be called upon to act as a hammer in a pinch, when you simply
must drive that 16D through the cutting board to hold it in place, but can't
run out to the garage for the claw hammer.

--

-Mike-

On Fri, 23 Jul 2004 00:29:54 +0100, Andy Dingley
wrote:

On Thu, 22 Jul 2004 18:58:27 -0400, Jay Pique
wrote:

Ooooh yeah - I've simply GOT to get one of those as well.

Yeah, but are you actually going to _make_ anything ?

Sawdust?

JP
***************
Tooling up.

On Thu, 22 Jul 2004 18:07:06 -0700, Wes Stewart
wrote:

On Thu, 22 Jul 2004 19:00:59 -0400, Jay Pique
wrote:

|On Thu, 22 Jul 2004 22:19:52 GMT, "patrick conroy"
wrote:
|
|
|"Jay Pique" wrote in message
|news |
| Why doesn't everyone just get a panel saw for cutting large sheet
| goods? Seems like a much better option than even a sliding table saw.
|
|It prolly is.
|Just how much moola you got to throw at this hobby?
|
|Let's see...gross income less FICA plus illegal gambling gains less
|social security plus change stolen from neighbors couch divided by
|avacados number equals right around "zero". I am, however, a "paid
|professional", whatever that means.

I'm confused. Do you mean "Avogadro's number" (6.02*10^23) or
"avocado"?

Which brings up the question, can you make anything out of avocado
(persea) other than guacamole? [g]

The pits make excellent ammo for my giant slingshot.

JP
**********
Peace through superior firepower.

On Fri, 23 Jul 2004 04:48:18 -0400, (J T)
wrote:

Thu, Jul 22, 2004, 7:00pm (Jay*Pique) admitted:
snip I am, however, a "paid professional" snip

Paid professional what?

Ostensibly, a cabinetmaker.

JP
*****************
Meliora.

Which brings up the question, can you make anything out of avocado
(persea) other than guacamole? [g]


You could make a good pile of excrement.

Wayne

On Fri, 23 Jul 2004 00:16:16 GMT, "Mortimer Schnerd, RN"
wrote:

Mark Jerde wrote:
Ooooh yeah - I've simply GOT to get one of those as well.

Yeah, but are you actually going to _make_ anything ?

Maybe not, but it's nice to know I *could*! g



That's been my theory all along. Who the hell can afford wood after buying all
this stuff?

That's always my problem. Don't have jointer or planer at this time,
so I try to work with s4s, which means I can't afford to make anything
bigger than a breadbox. If I could afford the planer and jointer I
could buy cheaper rough lumber, but after buying the tools I wouldn't
have the dough to buy even rough-sawn. I could always go neander and
buy rough and surface it with a hand plane, but with the amount of
shop time I usually get that would mean I can only finish one project
a decade instead of my current one every 5 years....

Life is hard.

Tim Douglass

http://www.DouglassClan.com

On Fri, 23 Jul 2004 13:52:38 GMT, "Mike Marlow"
wrote:


"U-CDK_CHARLES\Charles" "Charles wrote in message
.. .

Cooking show (Good Eats -- Recommended) host Alton Brown puts it this
way:

"The only single tasker I permit in my kitchen is the fire
extinguisher." Instead of a garlic press, he uses a marble scrap he got
for free from a tile guy.


Oh bull! Everyone knows a fire extinguisher is not a single task device.
Hell - it can be used as an excellent rolling pin, and all of us know that
it can also be called upon to act as a hammer in a pinch, when you simply
must drive that 16D through the cutting board to hold it in place, but can't
run out to the garage for the claw hammer.

Curious fire extinguisher incident. Back in about 1978-79 my father
was working at a shipyard scrapping out old Liberty ships. The crane
operator tried too heavy a lift and started to tip, so he tripped the
load. The crane (large crawler) whipped back and forth a few times
then hopped off the 12x12 wood (OWWR) tracks it sat on and dropped to
the concrete pier. The fire extinguisher (metal cased dry chemical
type) dropped out of the cab as it was swaying and fell just ahead of
the crane, which then landed on top of the fire extinguisher. He later
showed me where the fire extinguisher was driven into the concrete of
the pier *without bursting* by the weight of the crane. Impressed the
heck out of me both the weight of the crane and how much pressure the
extinguisher took.

Tim Douglass

http://www.DouglassClan.com

In article . net,
Mike Marlow wrote:
...previous quote snipped...

Oh bull! Everyone knows a fire extinguisher is not a single task device.
Hell - it can be used as an excellent rolling pin, and all of us know that
it can also be called upon to act as a hammer in a pinch, when you simply
must drive that 16D through the cutting board to hold it in place, but can't
run out to the garage for the claw hammer.

--
Of couse the classic use for a CO2 extinguisher is as a "thermostat
security enclosure override device"


--

Larry Wasserman Baltimore, Maryland

"Mark Wells" writes:
I'm also wondering about all the "no money, no space" justifications. I
have a 9x19 shop with no table saw. The bandsaw is my primary saw. I was
considering building a panel saw and mounting it on the wall. It seems me
that would be relatively inexpensive and wouldn't take up that much room
mounted on the wall. Am I missing something?

Well, I don't have any free wall space....

scott

"Lawrence Wasserman" wrote in message
...
In article . net,
Mike Marlow wrote:
...previous quote snipped...

Oh bull! Everyone knows a fire extinguisher is not a single task device.
Hell - it can be used as an excellent rolling pin, and all of us know
that
it can also be called upon to act as a hammer in a pinch, when you simply
must drive that 16D through the cutting board to hold it in place, but
can't
run out to the garage for the claw hammer.

--
Of couse the classic use for a CO2 extinguisher is as a "thermostat
security enclosure override device"



I'm really quite surprised, having expanded the topic to common usages of
CO2 fire extinguishers, that nobody has picked up on it's most common use.
Doesn't everybody use it to chase the wife around the house with short
little spurts? It raises foreplay to entire new levels. Note of caution -
do not let he point it at you. You think a cold shower has a profound
effect...

--

-Mike-

Renata wrote in message . ..
Don't you mean "highly comensated professional..."?

And, thanx for reminding me I have a couple avocados waiting to be
converted to guacamole.

Renata


You can use a Kitchen Router for that. It also makes nice flutings
for watermelon boats.

Fri, Jul 23, 2004, 12:10pm (Jay=A0Pique) claims:
Ostensibly, a cabinetmaker.

"Ostensibly" - Interesting word choice.



JOAT
Every thing that happens stays happened.
- Death waxes philosophical

Jay Pique wrote in message . ..
Why doesn't everyone just get a panel saw for cutting large sheet
goods? Seems like a much better option than even a sliding table saw.

JP

I made one with sliding door hardware for the rails. Works perfectly,
accurate within 1/32". Prefer table saw for everything but cross
cutting sheet goods.
Takes up very little room, plus I put it on castors to move around the
shop.

mike

On Fri, 23 Jul 2004 15:20:32 -0400, (J T)
wrote:

Fri, Jul 23, 2004, 12:10pm (Jay*Pique) claims:
Ostensibly, a cabinetmaker.

"Ostensibly" - Interesting word choice.

Accurate, though. I'm a paid employee of a cabinetmaker, and I do
pretty much everything involved in the construction of cabinetry. Am
I a "master"? Not yet. Will I be? That's certainly my goal.

Right now I'm just trying to soak up as much as I can from my current
employer - a lot of which includes learning what *not* to do, IMO.
It's frustrating at times, but I feel like I'm headed in the right
direction. Between books and the internet I think I'm learning fairly
quickly.

I'm also paying my way to the IWF in Atlanta next month, and while
there I hope to meet with a number of larger shop owners. Ideally I'd
find myself a new job, but I think it will be worthwhile no matter the
outcome. I can't wait to check out all of the production shop
equipment. My dream is to run an extremely well tooled and
efficiently run 2 man shop - just me and an apprentice. To start I'll
focus exclusively on built in cabinetry, and take great pains to
streamline the process as much as I can. We'll see.

JP
*******************
Any other wreckers going to ATL?