Too_Many_Tools wrote in news:68bba63c-348a-4da5-
:

In tough times consumers tend to cut back...so where are you cutting
back, reprioritizing resources, whatever to make that dollar go
farther?

I am also posting this in the metal and wood working groups to hear
how those who pursue the hobby are allotting their resources.

Thanks

TMT

It's time to start home brewing again. It might not cost less per bottle,
but it'll keep me from drinking more.

On 2008-10-28, Scritch wrote:
It's time to start home brewing again. It might not cost less per bottle,
but it'll keep me from drinking more.

How brewing at home will keep you from drinking more?

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On Oct 25, 11:57*am, Too_Many_Tools wrote:
In tough times consumers tend to cut back...so where are you cutting
back, reprioritizing resources, whatever to make that dollar go
farther?

I am also posting this in the metal and wood working groups to hear
how those who pursue the hobby are allotting their resources.


We started with new windows and siding. That should cut fuel
consumption at least a bit.

We decided to keep both vehicles at least two more years, so spent
about $1,300 on the car for repairs and maintenance. My old truck
needed an oil change. I also need to get a new lock system on the
camper cap. Gaffer's tape holding the cap gate shut is getting to be a
PITA.

I upgraded my computer monitor, but kept the old (5-1/2 years, give or
take 3GB P4, 3GB RAM Dell) computer. That's changed a lot since it
showed up at the door, but my eyeballs were hurting from messing with
the 19" CRT, so I got a Dell Viewsonic 2408 WFP. What a revelation!

Instead of replacing the electric furnace in the shop, I'm thinking
very seriously of installing a wood stove.

We'll probably let the TV satellite go. That means we'll probably do
without TV, because the set is very old, cost what I consider a max
for a TV set ($297), and I am not going to pay for a conversion box to
bring in the local channel news. We watch little else, so that's not a
real loss. $750 for a TV set that we then pay $55 and rising per month
to keep active is silly when probably three days out of the week it
isn't turned on at all, and on most other days, it gets to work its
way through an hour of news programs. I can't find the time to sit in
front of the thing to be insulted by the intellegence level of
commercials (all of 'em, not just the political ads).

Buy fewer books. This 'un hurts, but we'd have to do that anyway, or
move to a bigger house.

I bought a new DSLR a few weeks ago. That's probably the last major
camera purchase for a year or so, even though it is tax deductible.
I'm not interested in working hard enough to need too many deductions,
anyway. Semi-retirement.

We'll plant a bigger vegetable garden, and my wife will can more. Of
course, most years we end up giving the kids half of what gets canned,
but Frances is farm raised, so gets itchy if she can't raise and can
and freeze, the same way I get itchy if I can't shoot photos and
write. Arthritis is starting to limit any realistic woodworking
chances these days. I've got enough local wood stored, mostly cherry
and oak, to last me at least two more years, but I'd sure love some
maple and birch and...

Cut the grass every other time it needs it...big damned sacrifice,
huh? I hate cutting grass. In fact, most of this year we paid a young
guy to come do it. He can whip the two acres out (minus shop, storage,
house, gardens) in about 1/3 the time it takes my wife and I.

The house is paid for. The cars are paid for. A few bucks in the bank.
A few bucks coming in each month that probably won't rise or fall.

On Oct 26, 2:20*am, FlexUP! wrote:
On Sat, 25 Oct 2008 13:21:22 -0500, Ignoramus3071

wrote:
I now use both sides of toilet paper

I took free yoga classes at our local library, until I was limber enough to
lick my own butt. *The taste is nasty, but I save $42 per year in toilet
paper.

And think of what you save on snacks.

On Tue, 28 Oct 2008 00:05:43 GMT, Han wrote:

Our printers are attached to the upstairs desktop. Her XP laptop and my
Vista laptop can easily print to the Brother 5040 monchrome laser or the
Canon pixma whatever color inkjet. No problem, except running upstairs
to change paper and collect the printout. Same for daughter and son and
their Vista laptops. It took a while to get the machines to recognize
the printers on the workgroup in my house ...

It's sort of funny.. Her HP laserjet had to be moved to my XP machine, but our
much older HP "print/scan/fax but not very well" printer works well with vista..

It appears that Micro$oft wants you to buy Office 07 as well as
Vista.
That may be so, but I still like Office 2003 much better, and it works
under Vista Home Basic just fine, so far. Knocking on wood ...

Same with us.. Seems like newer stuff is better sometimes, but usually just
takes more space and resources to do pretty much the same job..

Vista does not really like Office 03.. Go figure!
Huh?

Every time she has a problem with Vista and office, support says "Vista is
designed to run Office 2007"..

Her printing problems only seem to be when she wants to print multi-page files
from Word or Excel..
She just prints them from one of our XP machines now..

OH.. now that we have 2 vista machines, one for home and one for our karaoke
gig, (our karaoke software kicks ass on Vista), Gateway is now offering a
"downgrade" to XP on new machines..


mac

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On Oct 26, 5:42*pm, Mark & Juanita wrote:
Tom Veatch wrote:
On Sat, 25 Oct 2008 08:57:15 -0700 (PDT), Too_Many_Tools
wrote:

In tough times consumers tend to cut back...so where are you cutting
back, reprioritizing resources, whatever to make that dollar go
farther?

I am also posting this in the metal and wood working groups to hear
how those who pursue the hobby are allotting their resources.

Thanks

TMT

Retired, "tough times" haven't affected my pensions nor, so far, the
income from my securities. Market value of my holdings has decreased
but I've lost no money unless I sell them which I have no intention of
doing. In fact, I'm buying more while the price is low.

In general, I've decided not to participate in the tough times nor in
the media induced panic. Ever noticed that the prophesies of the doom
and gloom pundits are self-fulfilling.

* Thank-you for that brief intrusion of sanity into the media-induced panic.

People, the "stock market" is NOT the economy regardless of what the
nightly news-readers say. Too many people use Wall Street like your
friendly neighborhood casino. When you do, expect to lose.


I'm trying to figure out where the media induced any panic, not to
mention trying to locate anyone who thinks stocks are synonomous with
prices at the grocery store, jobs or much of anything we deal with on
a day-to-day basis.

Around here, people are cutting back, many are losing their jobs--
lessee, maybe it's the media's fault that all the textile industries
that amount to anything are now in China, as are 98% of the furniture
factories, two industries that used to provide jobs in this area,
or...well, the list goes on, while people still shop at Sam's, CostCo,
Wal-Mart and similar places where the main suppliers are Chinese.

Maybe it's the media's fault that we've lost 750,000 jobs so far this
year, and the pace appears to be increasing.

It might be time to quit trying to slay the messenger and start paying
some attention to the message presented.

"mac davis" wrote

OH.. now that we have 2 vista machines, one for home and one for our
karaoke
gig, (our karaoke software kicks ass on Vista), Gateway is now offering a
"downgrade" to XP on new machines..

Be warned.

I needed XP to run my software, so I "downgraded". The downgraded XP does
not run as well as the original XP.

mac davis wrote:
On Tue, 28 Oct 2008 00:05:43 GMT, Han wrote:

Our printers are attached to the upstairs desktop. Her XP laptop
and my Vista laptop can easily print to the Brother 5040 monchrome
laser or the Canon pixma whatever color inkjet. No problem, except
running upstairs to change paper and collect the printout. Same
for
daughter and son and their Vista laptops. It took a while to get
the machines to recognize the printers on the workgroup in my house
...

It's sort of funny.. Her HP laserjet had to be moved to my XP
machine, but our much older HP "print/scan/fax but not very well"
printer works well with vista..

It appears that Micro$oft wants you to buy Office 07 as well as
Vista.
That may be so, but I still like Office 2003 much better, and it
works under Vista Home Basic just fine, so far. Knocking on wood
...

Same with us.. Seems like newer stuff is better sometimes, but
usually just takes more space and resources to do pretty much the
same job..

Vista does not really like Office 03.. Go figure!
Huh?

Every time she has a problem with Vista and office, support says
"Vista is designed to run Office 2007"..

Her printing problems only seem to be when she wants to print
multi-page files from Word or Excel..
She just prints them from one of our XP machines now..

OH.. now that we have 2 vista machines, one for home and one for our
karaoke gig, (our karaoke software kicks ass on Vista), Gateway is
now offering a "downgrade" to XP on new machines..

Office 2007 has a very different user interface from previous
versions. I can't see where it's an improvement, just different. For
someone who doesn't know the previous versions it may be OK, but it's
a pain in the butt if you have to go back and forth--the difference in
user interface between older versions and 2007 is at least as great as
the difference between older versions and Open Office or Word Perfect.

Incidentally a Vista Business or higher license is also an XP license.
This is not a new policy--an XP license was also a Windows 2000
license.



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On Mon, 27 Oct 2008 17:31:46 -0500, "Swingman" wrote:

"Pat Barber" wrote


I had some of your etouffee on Friday night....

Very tasty and has now been added to the permanent list
of stuff to eat.

Swingman wrote:

So, screw 'em ... it's back to my old coon ass ways.

Glad you enjoyed it .... one of my favorites for a quick meal that tastes
like it took all day to cook.

So, you willing to share a recipe?

Thanx
Renata

Lee Michaels wrote:
"mac davis" wrote

OH.. now that we have 2 vista machines, one for home and one for
our
karaoke
gig, (our karaoke software kicks ass on Vista), Gateway is now
offering a "downgrade" to XP on new machines..

Be warned.

I needed XP to run my software, so I "downgraded". The downgraded
XP
does not run as well as the original XP.

The "downgraded XP" is the same XP as any other XP.

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to email, dial "usenet" and validate
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)

"J. Clarke" wrote
Lee Michaels wrote:
"mac davis" wrote

OH.. now that we have 2 vista machines, one for home and one for
our
karaoke
gig, (our karaoke software kicks ass on Vista), Gateway is now
offering a "downgrade" to XP on new machines..

Be warned.

I needed XP to run my software, so I "downgraded". The downgraded
XP
does not run as well as the original XP.

The "downgraded XP" is the same XP as any other XP.

I have run them side by side. The downgraded one is not the same.

Lee Michaels wrote:
"J. Clarke" wrote
Lee Michaels wrote:
"mac davis" wrote

OH.. now that we have 2 vista machines, one for home and one for
our
karaoke
gig, (our karaoke software kicks ass on Vista), Gateway is now
offering a "downgrade" to XP on new machines..

Be warned.

I needed XP to run my software, so I "downgraded". The downgraded
XP
does not run as well as the original XP.

The "downgraded XP" is the same XP as any other XP.

I have run them side by side. The downgraded one is not the same.

Then you should find the person who did the downgrade for you and
demand that he fix his hosed up installation.

The procedure for "downgrading" is to install Vista, activate it, wipe
it, then take your XP CD, the same one that you used to install XP on
your other machine, and install it using the Vista serial number. The
only thing different between them is the serial number.

If you are seeing different behavior on the two machines, then either
someone installed a different version of XP on one or the settings are
different between them. If the former then wipe your downgrade and
reinstall using the same disk you used for your other machine, if the
latter then fix the settings.

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The conversion box is "free" with the government
coupon. https://www.dtv2009.gov/

With a fairly cheap ($29) UHF antenna, you can get
remarkable results from almost any TV. The digital
pictures are quite sharp.

http://www.nab.org/AM/ASPCode/DTVSta...TVStations.asp

In our case, the digital cut over was a major
improvement over cable. The picture quality is
really unbelievable, even on my older set in the
shop.

I have Direct TV and the digital tv is certainly
as good.

I should also point out that most if not all
stations will be broadcasting in HD over the air waves
and that is free, but that does require a HD tv.

My local marker(Wilmington,NC) was the very first in the
country to switch over completely.

Now you are back to where you started 40 years ago
with a antenna.




Charlie Self wrote:

We'll probably let the TV satellite go. That means we'll probably do
without TV, because the set is very old, cost what I consider a max
for a TV set ($297), and I am not going to pay for a conversion box to
bring in the local channel news. We watch little else, so that's not a
real loss. $750 for a TV set that we then pay $55 and rising per month
to keep active is silly when probably three days out of the week it
isn't turned on at all, and on most other days, it gets to work its
way through an hour of news programs.

On Oct 25, 4:02*pm, F. George McDuffee gmcduf...@mcduffee-
associates.us wrote:
On Sat, 25 Oct 2008 08:57:15 -0700 (PDT), Too_Many_Tools

wrote:
In tough times consumers tend to cut back...so where are you cutting
back, reprioritizing resources, whatever to make that dollar go
farther?

I am also posting this in the metal and wood working groups to hear
how those who pursue the hobby are allotting their resources.

Thanks

TMT

==========
Most of the posters to both RCM and AMC tend to be prudent and
frugal consumers [translastion real cheapscrews] so you may not
see much change here. *

Unka' George [George McDuffee]
-------------------------------------------
He that will not apply new remedies,
must expect new evils:
for Time is the greatest innovator: and
if Time, of course, alter things to the worse,
and wisdom and counsel shall not alter them to the better,
what shall be the end?

Francis Bacon (1561-1626), English philosopher, essayist, statesman.
Essays, "Of Innovations" (1597-1625).

I know that most posters to these groups are ..err...value oriented
folks..;)...so I figured it made sense to ask the "experts".

TMT

On Oct 25, 8:22*pm, jo4hn wrote:
Too_Many_Tools wrote:
In tough times consumers tend to cut back...so where are you cutting
back, reprioritizing resources, whatever to make that dollar go
farther?

I am also posting this in the metal and wood working groups to hear
how those who pursue the hobby are allotting their resources.

Thanks

TMT

Query: Are you selling some of those excess tools you apparently have?
* * * * mahalo,
* * * * jo4hn

Nope...times are that TOUGH yet. ;)

TMT

It ain't mine but:

EZ Etoufee ... from an old post back in 2002:


Take that same 8 Oz jar of Pace Picante Sauce (Hot ONLY!); add a can of
Campbell's Cream of Mushroom soup (NO water); a stick of butter or
margarine; bring all to a low boil; (RESIST temptation to add anything
else!) add 2 lbs. of crawfish or shrimp and cook about five minutes until
crawfish/shrimp is done. Serve over rice.

Takes all of 15 minutes. Best "bachelor" etoufee you ever ate ... you'd
swear your Cajun momma made it.


--
www.e-woodshop.net

This a remarkable dish that will feed 4 people easy.
It is spicy.


Renata wrote:
On Mon, 27 Oct 2008 17:31:46 -0500, "Swingman" wrote:

"Pat Barber" wrote


I had some of your etouffee on Friday night....

Very tasty and has now been added to the permanent list
of stuff to eat.

Swingman wrote:

So, screw 'em ... it's back to my old coon ass ways.
Glad you enjoyed it .... one of my favorites for a quick meal that tastes
like it took all day to cook.

So, you willing to share a recipe?

Thanx
Renata

On Oct 25, 8:22*pm, jo4hn wrote:
Too_Many_Tools wrote:
In tough times consumers tend to cut back...so where are you cutting
back, reprioritizing resources, whatever to make that dollar go
farther?

I am also posting this in the metal and wood working groups to hear
how those who pursue the hobby are allotting their resources.

Thanks

TMT

Query: Are you selling some of those excess tools you apparently have?
* * * * mahalo,
* * * * jo4hn

And I should note that used machine supplies have other uses too...why
that used sandpaper works just fine in the bathroom. ;)

TMT

I suspect a different level of service packs or
many other variables.

XP remains XP, even though there are SEVERAL
different versions from MS.


Lee Michaels wrote:
"mac davis" wrote
OH.. now that we have 2 vista machines, one for home and one for our
karaoke
gig, (our karaoke software kicks ass on Vista), Gateway is now offering a
"downgrade" to XP on new machines..

Be warned.

I needed XP to run my software, so I "downgraded". The downgraded XP does
not run as well as the original XP.

I forget to mention that you can sprinkle
crab meat over this while simmering for a
nice little addition.

Pat Barber wrote:
It ain't mine but:

EZ Etoufee ... from an old post back in 2002:


Take that same 8 Oz jar of Pace Picante Sauce (Hot ONLY!); add a can of
Campbell's Cream of Mushroom soup (NO water); a stick of butter or
margarine; bring all to a low boil; (RESIST temptation to add anything
else!) add 2 lbs. of crawfish or shrimp and cook about five minutes until
crawfish/shrimp is done. Serve over rice.

Takes all of 15 minutes. Best "bachelor" etoufee you ever ate ... you'd
swear your Cajun momma made it.

On Oct 25, 5:54*pm, Jim Stewart wrote:
Ignoramus3071 wrote:
I now use both sides of toilet paper

Another Russian joke?

Likely another Russian reality.

TMT

On Oct 25, 5:24*pm, "Buddy Matlosz" wrote:
In your case, you can downsize to Just_Enough_Tools.

B.

"Too_Many_Tools" wrote in message

...



In tough times consumers tend to cut back...so where are you cutting
back, reprioritizing resources, whatever to make that dollar go
farther?

I am also posting this in the metal and wood working groups to hear
how those who pursue the hobby are allotting their resources.

Thanks

TMT- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Things would have to get REALLY bad for me to sell some of my
toys..err..I mean my tools. ;)

On the subject of tools, has anyone seen nice tools surfacing on the
used market?

I can't say that I have seen anything of significance ..yet.

Houses, cars, boats, rvs...yes...but the real neat stuff like
tools...nothing much.

TMT

On Oct 28, 12:46*pm, "J. Clarke" wrote:
mac davis wrote:
On Tue, 28 Oct 2008 00:05:43 GMT, Han wrote:

Our printers are attached to the upstairs desktop. *Her XP laptop
and my Vista laptop can easily print to the Brother 5040 monchrome
laser or the Canon pixma whatever color inkjet. *No problem, except
running upstairs to change paper and collect the printout. *Same
for
daughter and son and their Vista laptops. *It took a while to get
the machines to recognize the printers on the workgroup in my house
...

It's sort of funny.. Her HP laserjet had to be moved to my XP
machine, but our much older HP "print/scan/fax but not very well"
printer works well with vista..

It appears that Micro$oft wants you to buy Office 07 as well as
Vista.
That may be so, but I still like Office 2003 much better, and it
works under Vista Home Basic just fine, so far. *Knocking on wood
...

Same with us.. Seems like newer stuff is better sometimes, but
usually just takes more space and resources to do pretty much the
same job..

Vista does not really like Office 03.. Go figure!
Huh?

Every time she has a problem with Vista and office, support says
"Vista is designed to run Office 2007"..

Her printing problems only seem to be when she wants to print
multi-page files from Word or Excel..
She just prints them from one of our XP machines now..

OH.. now that we have 2 vista machines, one for home and one for our
karaoke gig, (our karaoke software kicks ass on Vista), Gateway is
now offering a "downgrade" to XP on new machines..

Office 2007 has a very different user interface from previous
versions. *I can't see where it's an improvement, just different. *For
someone who doesn't know the previous versions it may be OK, but it's
a pain in the butt if you have to go back and forth--the difference in
user interface between older versions and 2007 is at least as great as
the difference between older versions and Open Office or Word Perfect.

Incidentally a Vista Business or higher license is also an XP license.
This is not a new policy--an XP license was also a Windows 2000
license.

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(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)

Watch those .docx files, too. I got caught on that, sending them out
to people still using '03. I can't honestly see much useful difference
in '07, and, in fact, I'm still trying to get my "normal" file set up
properly.

Scritch wrote
Too_Many_Tools wrote

In tough times consumers tend to cut back...so where are you cutting
back, reprioritizing resources, whatever to make that dollar go farther?

I am also posting this in the metal and wood working groups to hear
how those who pursue the hobby are allotting their resources.

It's time to start home brewing again.

I never stopped. Leaves the commercial crap for dead.

It might not cost less per bottle,

Costs a hell of a lot less here, like 85% less.

but it'll keep me from drinking more.

Makes no difference to how much I drink.

"Pat Barber" wrote

With a fairly cheap ($29) UHF antenna, you can get
remarkable results from almost any TV. The digital

Now you are back to where you started 40 years ago
with a antenna.

I often use a USB digital converter/antenna (WinTV-HVR-950) on my laptop to
watch TV while on the front balcony, or whenever I had to do an "open house"
on a Sunday in a new home where there was no cable.

The picture over an antenna is indeed amazing on a laptop screen compared to
cable/u-Verse on a regular TV.

--
www.e-woodshop.net
Last update: 10/22/08
KarlC@ (the obvious)

On Tue, 28 Oct 2008 12:28:52 -0700 (PDT), Too_Many_Tools
wrote:


And I should note that used machine supplies have other uses too...why
that used sandpaper works just fine in the bathroom. ;)

TMT
A number of years ago, the building maintenance supervisor, in an
economy drive, removed the roll holders and installed folded tissue
dispensers in the stalls in our building. I made so many remarks about
"Dickey Wipers", "Body sanding", and other terms, that, eventually he
gave in and re-installed the roll holders. I'm glad they hadn't
invented the 3" paper ribbon yet.
Gerry :-)}
London, Canada

"Pat Barber" wrote:

The conversion box is "free" with the government
coupon. https://www.dtv2009.gov/

With a fairly cheap ($29) UHF antenna, you can get
remarkable results from almost any TV. The digital
pictures are quite sharp.

Folded dipole anyone?

Less than 20 ft of 300 ohm twin lead req'd.

If you pay $5, you got robbed.

Who needs cable?

Lew

On Oct 28, 5:26*pm, Gerald Miller wrote:
On Tue, 28 Oct 2008 12:28:52 -0700 (PDT), Too_Many_Tools

wrote:
And I should note that used machine supplies have other uses too...why
that used sandpaper works just fine in the bathroom. ;)

TMT

A number of years ago, the building maintenance supervisor, in an
economy drive, removed the roll holders and installed folded tissue
dispensers in the stalls in our building. I made so many remarks about
"Dickey Wipers", "Body sanding", and other terms, that, eventually he
gave in and re-installed the roll holders. I'm glad they hadn't
invented the 3" paper ribbon yet.
Gerry :-)}
London, Canada

London always was a bit weird.

(Sarnia here... even weirder.)

On Oct 28, 3:28*pm, Pat Barber wrote:
It ain't mine but:

EZ Etoufee ... from an old post back in 2002:

Take that same 8 Oz jar of Pace Picante Sauce (Hot ONLY!); add a can of
Campbell's Cream of Mushroom soup (NO water); a stick of butter or
margarine; bring all to a low boil; (RESIST temptation to add anything
else!) add 2 lbs. of crawfish or shrimp and cook about five minutes until
crawfish/shrimp is done. Serve over rice.

Takes all of 15 minutes. Best "bachelor" etoufee you ever ate ... you'd
swear your Cajun momma made it.




What? No roux?

On Tue, 28 Oct 2008 14:44:18 -0700 (PDT), Robatoy
wrote:


What? No roux?

Try it ... you won't miss it.



www.e-woodshop.net
Last update: 10/22/08
KarlC@ (the obvious)

This recipe is so simple you really feel like
something is missing. It really works and with
a pot of rice, you will have a "home run".

I was very pleasantly surprised when I first
tried it. Your mileage may vary but I also
recommend a good cole slaw to go with this
meal.


Robatoy wrote:
On Oct 28, 3:28 pm, Pat Barber wrote:
It ain't mine but:

EZ Etoufee ... from an old post back in 2002:

Take that same 8 Oz jar of Pace Picante Sauce (Hot ONLY!); add a can of
Campbell's Cream of Mushroom soup (NO water); a stick of butter or
margarine; bring all to a low boil; (RESIST temptation to add anything
else!) add 2 lbs. of crawfish or shrimp and cook about five minutes until
crawfish/shrimp is done. Serve over rice.

Takes all of 15 minutes. Best "bachelor" etoufee you ever ate ... you'd
swear your Cajun momma made it.




What? No roux?

On Tue, 28 Oct 2008 12:25:33 -0400, wrote:

HP supplies several different drivers for each printer. People
naturally assume that PCL6 is newer and better than PCL5. It isn't.
Uninstall the driver you have now, and install the driver that has
PCL5. It will fix the problem of only being able to print one page at
a time. Nothing to do with What version of Office you are using, as
printing is completely a function of the operating system. Thias has
been a problem for a long time, and is not just a Vista problem,
either.

Thanks.. I printed this out for her, but I think HP already had her do that..



mac

Please remove splinters before emailing

On Tue, 28 Oct 2008 14:44:38 -0400, "J. Clarke" wrote:

Just thought that I'd chime in here, since I may have caused some confusion:

Gateway called it a "downgrade" because it's a price decrease..
AFAIK, It comes from Gateway with XP as the original OS, not installed over
Vista..

Either way, I would have preferred an XP machine, even if I had to "upgrade" it
to XPpro..

Lee Michaels wrote:
"J. Clarke" wrote
Lee Michaels wrote:
"mac davis" wrote

OH.. now that we have 2 vista machines, one for home and one for
our
karaoke
gig, (our karaoke software kicks ass on Vista), Gateway is now
offering a "downgrade" to XP on new machines..

Be warned.

I needed XP to run my software, so I "downgraded". The downgraded
XP
does not run as well as the original XP.

The "downgraded XP" is the same XP as any other XP.

I have run them side by side. The downgraded one is not the same.

Then you should find the person who did the downgrade for you and
demand that he fix his hosed up installation.

The procedure for "downgrading" is to install Vista, activate it, wipe
it, then take your XP CD, the same one that you used to install XP on
your other machine, and install it using the Vista serial number. The
only thing different between them is the serial number.

If you are seeing different behavior on the two machines, then either
someone installed a different version of XP on one or the settings are
different between them. If the former then wipe your downgrade and
reinstall using the same disk you used for your other machine, if the
latter then fix the settings.

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mac

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mac davis wrote:
On Tue, 28 Oct 2008 14:44:38 -0400, "J. Clarke"
wrote:

Just thought that I'd chime in here, since I may have caused some
confusion:

Gateway called it a "downgrade" because it's a price decrease..
AFAIK, It comes from Gateway with XP as the original OS, not
installed over Vista..

Either way, I would have preferred an XP machine, even if I had to
"upgrade" it to XPpro..

In that case the differences would be in Gateway's settings.

Lee Michaels wrote:
"J. Clarke" wrote
Lee Michaels wrote:
"mac davis" wrote

OH.. now that we have 2 vista machines, one for home and one
for
our
karaoke
gig, (our karaoke software kicks ass on Vista), Gateway is now
offering a "downgrade" to XP on new machines..

Be warned.

I needed XP to run my software, so I "downgraded". The
downgraded
XP
does not run as well as the original XP.

The "downgraded XP" is the same XP as any other XP.

I have run them side by side. The downgraded one is not the same.

Then you should find the person who did the downgrade for you and
demand that he fix his hosed up installation.

The procedure for "downgrading" is to install Vista, activate it,
wipe it, then take your XP CD, the same one that you used to
install
XP on your other machine, and install it using the Vista serial
number. The only thing different between them is the serial
number.

If you are seeing different behavior on the two machines, then
either
someone installed a different version of XP on one or the settings
are different between them. If the former then wipe your downgrade
and reinstall using the same disk you used for your other machine,
if the latter then fix the settings.

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I'm cutting back on food, shelter, clothes and gas.

Still buying wood and tools.

jc

"Too_Many_Tools" wrote in message
...
In tough times consumers tend to cut back...so where are you cutting
back, reprioritizing resources, whatever to make that dollar go
farther?

I am also posting this in the metal and wood working groups to hear
how those who pursue the hobby are allotting their resources.

Thanks

TMT

In article ,
"joe" wrote:

I'm cutting back on food, shelter, clothes and gas.

Still buying wood and tools.

jc


Atta boy JOE!

"Pat Barber" wrote
This recipe is so simple you really feel like
something is missing. It really works and with
a pot of rice, you will have a "home run".

Mom, who along with her sister, my aunt, "invented" the recipe, will be
proud to hear that ... a copy of your post is on the way to her.

Thanks ...

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KarlC@ (the obvious)

On Oct 29, 10:30*pm, "Swingman" wrote:
"Pat Barber" wrote

This recipe is so simple you really feel like
something is missing. It really works and with
a pot of rice, you will have a "home run".

Mom, who along with her sister, my aunt, "invented" the recipe, will be
proud to hear that ... a copy of your post is on the way to her.

Thanks ...

--www.e-woodshop.net
Last update: 10/22/08
KarlC@ (the obvious)

Did you ever try it with fat-free/ low-fat cream of schroom soup?
Margarine vs butter?

"Swingman" wrote:

Mom, who along with her sister, my aunt, "invented" the recipe, will
be proud to hear that ... a copy of your post is on the way to her.

OK, I'll admit it.

When it comes to hot and spicy, I'm a real candy ass.

Actually, it's my stomach that complains.

So what really happens if you sub mild for hot?

Lew

"Robatoy" wrote:


Margarine vs butter?

Ye Gads man, margarine doesn't even make it as axle grease, much less
as an edible product.

Lew

"Lew Hodgett" wrote in message
...

"Swingman" wrote:

Mom, who along with her sister, my aunt, "invented" the recipe, will be
proud to hear that ... a copy of your post is on the way to her.

OK, I'll admit it.

When it comes to hot and spicy, I'm a real candy ass.

Actually, it's my stomach that complains.

So what really happens if you sub mild for hot?

Lew



I made this last winter and all I could find at the time was mild. Never
having ate the version using hot, I have no direct comparison but the mild
version was delicious (I too am a candy ass when it comes to hot and spicy).