WORKING TIPS FOR NEW WOODWORKERS - Episode 1

Hi. I am woodworker with over 40 years of professional experience. I am
posting this series of episodes to help new woodworkers with some basics
that most newbies are confused about.

POWER TOOLS: Most new woodworkers are very confused about their first tool
purchases. There is temptation to buy cheap, inferior stuff when you are
new because you don't want to invest that much in an activity that you may
not be very good at. Woodworking, IMHO, does require a natural talent and
you need to spend a fair amount of time woodworking before you would know
if you have this talent. But, if you buy the cheapest tools you can find,
you will probably get discouraged before you go very far.

Then you will have the self-procalimed experts (like some of the regulars
of this newsgroup) who will tell you to start out with only the best. This
is nothing but pure liquid hogwash! There is no reason you need to blow
your life savings on power tools to get started as a woodworker.

Episode 1 - YOUR OWN SHOP FOR UNDER $500:

I have put together a list of medium-caliber power tools that would make a
great first inventory of woodworkers tools. Each of these tools has been
tested and inspected by me. I bought all of the following tools for my
eldest grandson for his Christmas present, so you can see that I am not
suggesting these items out of my butt.

THE LIST:

$119 US General - TABLE SAW (with stand)
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/cta...emnumber=46987

$79.99 Chicago Electric - 3 HP PLUNGE ROUTER
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/cta...emnumber=37793

$24.99 Chicago Electric - 1/2'' VARIABLE SPEED REVERSIBLE HAMMER DRILL
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/cta...emnumber=45338

$49.99 Dewalt - 1/4 SHEET HEAVY DUTY PALM GRIP SANDER
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/cta...temnumber=1284

$39.99 Central Pneumatic - 1/4'' AIR SCREWDRIVER
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/cta...emnumber=45266

$6.49 Chicago Electric - GLUE GUN
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/cta...emnumber=47445

$39.99 Chicago Electric - BISCUIT JOINER KIT
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/cta...emnumber=38648

$39.99 Wagner - POWER PAINTER
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/cta...emnumber=30760

$34.99 Chicago Electric - 7-1/4'' CIRCULAR SAW
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/cta...emnumber=46866

You will want to buy better blades for the 2 saws, but that should bring
your grand total to about $500, shipped. Keep in mind, this is not high end
stuff, but then again is is not the bottom of the barrel. You can check
around the HF site, but I would go with the list above. They sell cheaper
models for almost each tool on the list, but these have all been tested by
a professional with more than 40 years experience, yours truly!

IN THE NEXT EPISODE 2: How to use your table saw

An air screwdriver and no compressor? A $79 3 hp plunge router? Hmmm.

I smell a little "self proclaimed expert". Look in the mirror. Try being a
little humble and let us figure out if you are credible. I look forward to
your episode 2.

Bob

"Expert Woodworker" wrote in message
.95...
WORKING TIPS FOR NEW WOODWORKERS - Episode 1

Hi. I am woodworker with over 40 years of professional experience. I am
posting this series of episodes to help new woodworkers with some basics
that most newbies are confused about.

POWER TOOLS: Most new woodworkers are very confused about their first tool
purchases. There is temptation to buy cheap, inferior stuff when you are
new because you don't want to invest that much in an activity that you may
not be very good at. Woodworking, IMHO, does require a natural talent and
you need to spend a fair amount of time woodworking before you would know
if you have this talent. But, if you buy the cheapest tools you can find,
you will probably get discouraged before you go very far.

Then you will have the self-procalimed experts (like some of the regulars
of this newsgroup) who will tell you to start out with only the best. This
is nothing but pure liquid hogwash! There is no reason you need to blow
your life savings on power tools to get started as a woodworker.

Episode 1 - YOUR OWN SHOP FOR UNDER $500:

I have put together a list of medium-caliber power tools that would make a
great first inventory of woodworkers tools. Each of these tools has been
tested and inspected by me. I bought all of the following tools for my
eldest grandson for his Christmas present, so you can see that I am not
suggesting these items out of my butt.

THE LIST:

$119 US General - TABLE SAW (with stand)
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/cta...emnumber=46987

$79.99 Chicago Electric - 3 HP PLUNGE ROUTER
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/cta...emnumber=37793

$24.99 Chicago Electric - 1/2'' VARIABLE SPEED REVERSIBLE HAMMER DRILL
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/cta...emnumber=45338

$49.99 Dewalt - 1/4 SHEET HEAVY DUTY PALM GRIP SANDER
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/cta...temnumber=1284

$39.99 Central Pneumatic - 1/4'' AIR SCREWDRIVER
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/cta...emnumber=45266

$6.49 Chicago Electric - GLUE GUN
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/cta...emnumber=47445

$39.99 Chicago Electric - BISCUIT JOINER KIT
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/cta...emnumber=38648

$39.99 Wagner - POWER PAINTER
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/cta...emnumber=30760

$34.99 Chicago Electric - 7-1/4'' CIRCULAR SAW
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/cta...emnumber=46866

You will want to buy better blades for the 2 saws, but that should bring
your grand total to about $500, shipped. Keep in mind, this is not high
end
stuff, but then again is is not the bottom of the barrel. You can check
around the HF site, but I would go with the list above. They sell cheaper
models for almost each tool on the list, but these have all been tested by
a professional with more than 40 years experience, yours truly!

IN THE NEXT EPISODE 2: How to use your table saw

On Sat, 20 Dec 2003 11:55:12 GMT, Expert Woodworker
wrote:

Then you will have the self-procalimed experts (like some of the regulars
of this newsgroup) who will tell you to start out with only the best. This
is nothing but pure liquid hogwash! There is no reason you need to blow
your life savings on power tools to get started as a woodworker.

Agreed!

I have put together a list of medium-caliber power tools

Whaaa?

$119 US General - TABLE SAW (with stand)
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/cta...emnumber=46987

A high quality handheld circular saw with a good rip guide would be a
far better investment than this POS.


$79.99 Chicago Electric - 3 HP PLUNGE ROUTER
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/cta...emnumber=37793

Sounds too good to be true. This is scary.

$24.99 Chicago Electric - 1/2'' VARIABLE SPEED REVERSIBLE HAMMER DRILL
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/cta...emnumber=45338

Everyone needs a drill, and this one is cheap. This _may_ be usable,
if it's better than the Chicago Electric tools I've fondled.


$49.99 Dewalt - 1/4 SHEET HEAVY DUTY PALM GRIP SANDER
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/cta...temnumber=1284

Why a 1/4 sheet over a ROS? A Porter Cable 333 can be had for a few
bucks more and would be far more versatile.


$39.99 Central Pneumatic - 1/4'' AIR SCREWDRIVER
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/cta...emnumber=45266

What beginner NEEDS an air screwdriver? A standard screwdriver is $3,
and screws can be driven with the cheapo VSR drill you've already
listed. How is this air screwdriver going to be used? Should the
beginner blow in the air hole to get the blade spinning? Or is it
intended as a doorstop until a compressor is obtained?


$6.49 Chicago Electric - GLUE GUN
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/cta...emnumber=47445

WHY?

$39.99 Chicago Electric - BISCUIT JOINER KIT
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/cta...emnumber=38648

A good dowelling jig is more accurate than a cheap plate joiner at the
same price.

$39.99 Wagner - POWER PAINTER
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/cta...emnumber=30760

Now the BS is getting really deep. G

$34.99 Chicago Electric - 7-1/4'' CIRCULAR SAW
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/cta...emnumber=46866

Not needed if the PSO table saw is dumped in favor of a high-end
circular saw.

You will want to buy better blades for the 2 saws,

Good advice.

Keep in mind, this is not high end
stuff, but then again is is not the bottom of the barrel.

Umm, yes it is... G

You can check
around the HF site, but I would go with the list above. They sell cheaper
models for almost each tool on the list, but these have all been tested by
a professional with more than 40 years experience, yours truly!

Experience at what? Unloading containers from China at Harbor
Freight? How about posting photos of some of your work?

Are you associated in some way with Harbor Freight? It certainly
looks like you are.

IN THE NEXT EPISODE 2: How to use your table saw

I just can't wait, please hurry!

Barry

Looks like spam from harborfreight to me....



"Expert Woodworker" wrote in message
.95...
WORKING TIPS FOR NEW WOODWORKERS - Episode 1

Hi. I am woodworker with over 40 years of professional experience. I am
posting this series of episodes to help new woodworkers with some basics
that most newbies are confused about.

POWER TOOLS: Most new woodworkers are very confused about their first tool
purchases. There is temptation to buy cheap, inferior stuff when you are
new because you don't want to invest that much in an activity that you may
not be very good at. Woodworking, IMHO, does require a natural talent and
you need to spend a fair amount of time woodworking before you would know
if you have this talent. But, if you buy the cheapest tools you can find,
you will probably get discouraged before you go very far.

Then you will have the self-procalimed experts (like some of the regulars
of this newsgroup) who will tell you to start out with only the best. This
is nothing but pure liquid hogwash! There is no reason you need to blow
your life savings on power tools to get started as a woodworker.

Episode 1 - YOUR OWN SHOP FOR UNDER $500:

I have put together a list of medium-caliber power tools that would make a
great first inventory of woodworkers tools. Each of these tools has been
tested and inspected by me. I bought all of the following tools for my
eldest grandson for his Christmas present, so you can see that I am not
suggesting these items out of my butt.

THE LIST:

$119 US General - TABLE SAW (with stand)
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/cta...emnumber=46987

$79.99 Chicago Electric - 3 HP PLUNGE ROUTER
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/cta...emnumber=37793

$24.99 Chicago Electric - 1/2'' VARIABLE SPEED REVERSIBLE HAMMER DRILL
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/cta...emnumber=45338

$49.99 Dewalt - 1/4 SHEET HEAVY DUTY PALM GRIP SANDER
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/cta...temnumber=1284

$39.99 Central Pneumatic - 1/4'' AIR SCREWDRIVER
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/cta...emnumber=45266

$6.49 Chicago Electric - GLUE GUN
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/cta...emnumber=47445

$39.99 Chicago Electric - BISCUIT JOINER KIT
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/cta...emnumber=38648

$39.99 Wagner - POWER PAINTER
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/cta...emnumber=30760

$34.99 Chicago Electric - 7-1/4'' CIRCULAR SAW
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/cta...emnumber=46866

You will want to buy better blades for the 2 saws, but that should bring
your grand total to about $500, shipped. Keep in mind, this is not high
end
stuff, but then again is is not the bottom of the barrel. You can check
around the HF site, but I would go with the list above. They sell cheaper
models for almost each tool on the list, but these have all been tested by
a professional with more than 40 years experience, yours truly!

IN THE NEXT EPISODE 2: How to use your table saw

"Me" wrote in news:dmXEb.609477$Fm2.551816@attbi_s04:

Looks like spam from harborfreight to me....



Not at all. I have no afiliation with HF other that my recent order for my
grandson.

Hi Expert Woodworker,

Exactly who are all these self-proclaimed experts? Despite the fact that we
have many valued contributors - professionals from every walk of
oodworking - with hundreds, if not thousands, of years of accumulated
experience, I've only seen one guy who proclaims himself to be an expert
woodworker!

As for starting out with the best, the usual advice I see on this group to
newbies is to start out with the best they can afford. Which is good
advice, but quite a different proposition to spending their life-savings.

Please continue your postings. Despite some weaknesses in the charm and
humility stakes, there's a certain amount of horse-sense in your input and
it will be interesting to learn whether you're a sage or a plage, a weezard
or (hastily gets out the garlic and silver bullet) ........a leezard )

Cheers,

Frank



"Expert Woodworker" wrote in message
.95...

snip

Then you will have the self-procalimed experts (like some of the regulars
of this newsgroup) who will tell you to start out with only the best. This
is nothing but pure liquid hogwash! There is no reason you need to blow
your life savings on power tools to get started as a woodworker.

snip

Expert Woodworker thus spake:

"Me" wrote in news:dmXEb.609477$Fm2.551816@attbi_s04:

Looks like spam from harborfreight to me....



Not at all. I have no afiliation with HF other that my recent order for my
grandson.

To paraphrase Bill Clinton, 'I feel your pain.' ;-)

On Sat, 20 Dec 2003 12:57:15 GMT, Expert Woodworker
wrote:


Not at all. I have no afiliation with HF other that my recent order for my
grandson.

Do you have a first name? Got any photos of projects you've
completed? I didn't think so.

An nslookup of woodworkpro.net comes up as a non-existent domain:

It's Harbor Freight spam. Advertising is one thing, spam disguised as
"advice" is the lowest form of spam. People and companies who post
this crap demonstrate a complete lack of ethics. What's the matter,
the penis enlargement cream market has gone soft? G

What's that beeping noise? Oh, it's another container being backed
into the dock for you to unload!

Barry

B a r r y B u r k e J r .
wrote in :

On Sat, 20 Dec 2003 12:57:15 GMT, Expert Woodworker
wrote:


Not at all. I have no afiliation with HF other that my recent order
for my grandson.

Do you have a first name?

Gary

Got any photos of projects you've
completed?

Yes, I do. Have you?

I didn't think so.

An nslookup of woodworkpro.net comes up as a non-existent domain:


You comments are digusting, false, and libelous. And your domain is
incorrect.

"Me" wrote in news:dmXEb.609477$Fm2.551816@attbi_s04:

Looks like spam from harborfreight to me....


If I worked for HF, would I write that their cheaper stuff is crap? I don't
think so.

Newbies: these are the jerks that I tried to warn you about. I am sure that
the overwhelming majority of users here are quality people, but a small
percentage of them are real jerks.

Expert Woodworker wrote:
WORKING TIPS FOR NEW WOODWORKERS - Episode 1

Hi. I am woodworker with over 40 years of professional experience. I am
posting this series of episodes to help new woodworkers with some basics
that most newbies are confused about.

POWER TOOLS: Most new woodworkers are very confused about their first tool
purchases. There is temptation to buy cheap, inferior stuff when you are
new because you don't want to invest that much in an activity that you may
not be very good at. Woodworking, IMHO, does require a natural talent and
you need to spend a fair amount of time woodworking before you would know
if you have this talent. But, if you buy the cheapest tools you can find,
you will probably get discouraged before you go very far.

Then WHY did you do just that below (snipped)

Then you will have the self-procalimed experts (like some of the regulars
of this newsgroup) who will tell you to start out with only the best. This
is nothing but pure liquid hogwash! There is no reason you need to blow
your life savings on power tools to get started as a woodworker.

Episode 1 - YOUR OWN SHOP FOR UNDER $500:

If you spend a little time during the year you could have come up with...


A couple, three hand planes from yard sales/flea market. $20

CS & Rip saw-same source, another $20

Set of Marples 6 for $40

Jig and stone to sharpen chisels and irons $50+/-

A B&D Screwgun $50

That ROS in an above reply $75+/-

A couple of Brushes $????? Been so long since I've had to buy one.

Put the rest into a BETTER TS

Just my $.02 I only have about 15yrs of WW'n, might be my ipnorance
showing Yes the list can be adjusted in any number of ways. but you can
get better tools and a better experience.

He would be FAR better served by the above list than the junk you bought
him. If he knows how to do it by hand, and how to sharpen that is more
important. It also makes many quiet hours of instruction/quality time.

Here's where I get flamed, but anything that has a blade and spins, I
won't buy from HF, ESSSSPECIALLY for my grandson.

Kevin










IN THE NEXT EPISODE 2: How to use your table saw

Expert Woodworker proclaims:


Then you will have the self-procalimed experts (like some of the regulars
of this newsgroup) who will tell you to start out with only the best. This
is nothing but pure liquid hogwash! There is no reason you need to blow
your life savings on power tools to get started as a woodworker.

And who proclaimed YOU an expert?

THE LIST:

$119 US General - TABLE SAW (with stand)
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/cta...emnumber=46987

$79.99 Chicago Electric - 3 HP PLUNGE ROUTER
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/cta...emnumber=37793

$24.99 Chicago Electric - 1/2'' VARIABLE SPEED REVERSIBLE HAMMER DRILL
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/cta...emnumber=45338

$49.99 Dewalt - 1/4 SHEET HEAVY DUTY PALM GRIP SANDER
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/cta...temnumber=1284

$39.99 Central Pneumatic - 1/4'' AIR SCREWDRIVER
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/cta...emnumber=45266

$6.49 Chicago Electric - GLUE GUN
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/cta...emnumber=47445

$39.99 Chicago Electric - BISCUIT JOINER KIT
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/cta...emnumber=38648

$39.99 Wagner - POWER PAINTER
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/cta...emnumber=30760

$34.99 Chicago Electric - 7-1/4'' CIRCULAR SAW
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/cta...emnumber=46866

88% BS. Some of the tools may be (and note the may) fine, but what the hell do
you want with Power Painter? For that matter, who needs an air screwdriver when
there is no compressor on the list. Why a glue gun when yellow glue is so
cheap: replace that with a clamp, and several more for the air screwdriver.

Where are the measuring tools?

Where are the layout tools?

Keep in mind, this is not high end
stuff, but then again is is not the bottom of the barrel. You can check
around the HF site, but I would go with the list above.

Check around one helluva lot more than the HF site. This stuff may not be
bottom of the barrel, but that's only because barrel bottoms have recently been
redefined to be lower than whale ****.

They sell cheaper
models for almost each tool on the list, but these have all been tested by
a professional with more than 40 years experience, yours truly!

Resume, please.

Charlie Self

"Man is a reasoning rather than a reasonable animal."
Alexander Hamilton

http://hometown.aol.com/charliediy/m.../business.html

Expert Woodworker wrote:

Newbies: these are the jerks that I tried to warn you about. I am sure that
the overwhelming majority of users here are quality people, but a small
percentage of them are real jerks.

In just about any sampling, a small percentage will be real jerks (don't go
there!). You'll have to admit, the HF-heavy shopping list says a lot. Tom
Someday, it'll all be over....

hey gang,

My advice is this. If woodworking looks like it may appeal to you do what I
did. Start off with a good circular saw (PC) and an 18 volt cordless drill
(DeWalt) and possibly a router if needed. I chose a DeWalt combo kit. Then buy
a plan or download one of the many freebies on the web, for a simple project -
say a picnic table or bookcase or garden bench.

If you have fun or have a knack you didn't know you possesed, get another plan.
As your experience grows you'll get the tools you need when you need them. Use
the wreck for advice when contemplating new tool purchases.

If you find you don't like to work with wood - impatient, confusing, whatever,
you'll at least have a good circular saw and portable drill which will always
be used for something around the house.

I've only been at this for about a year and have yet to get the high-end tools
like a quality table saw (I use my circ saw w/clamp guide or a router) So,
start with what you need first is my advice. Besides, you'll be amazed at the
accumulated expense of all the little things you'll need as you progress such
as nails, screws (different sizes, different uses), levels, squares, various
hand tools, hardware, finishes, stains, brushes, molding, blades, nail sets,
drill bits, counter sinks, lumber (my first 3 projects involved making things
only with 2x material), sandpaper, etc, etc.

Just start small and grow with your abilities.
-Jami

On Sat, 20 Dec 2003 13:38:42 GMT, Expert Woodworker
wrote:

Yes, I do. Have you?

http://www.bburke.com/wood/images/nightstand-12.jpg

http://www.bburke.com/wood/images/coattree-unfin1.jpg

http://www.bburke.com/wood/images/routertable2.jpg

I'm due for an update, as I've been a bit busy to prep and upload some
from the last 9-12 months.

And your domain is
incorrect.

I know that, but the "reply-to" works. G

Barry

On Sat, 20 Dec 2003 13:43:50 GMT, Expert Woodworker
wrote:

Newbies: these are the jerks that I tried to warn you about. I am sure that
the overwhelming majority of users here are quality people, but a small
percentage of them are real jerks.

Any newbie who does a Google group search can tell that I provide help
quite often here, as well as learning a whole bunch myself:

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=Keep_it_in_the_newsgroup_please%40aol.com +group:rec.woodworking&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&group=rec.woodworking&start=10&sa=N

Yet a search for your posts includes one post, a "helpful" list of
Harbor Freight items:

&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en&btnG=Google+Search

Barry

DY (Tom) wrote in
:

Expert Woodworker wrote:

Newbies: these are the jerks that I tried to warn you about. I am sure
that the overwhelming majority of users here are quality people, but a
small percentage of them are real jerks.

In just about any sampling, a small percentage will be real jerks
(don't go there!). You'll have to admit, the HF-heavy shopping list
says a lot. Tom Someday, it'll all be over....


I admit that much of the stuff the HF sells is crap, but I have tried and
tested each of these specific models and I think they would be appropriate
for beginners. The 2 saws would need better blades, as I pointed out. I
never said that these tools are for pros and advanced amateurs.

He guy's ....he ain't so bad - he's got Bay Area Dave nailed down cold....


but a small percentage of them are real jerks.

B a r r y B u r k e J r .
wrote in :

On Sat, 20 Dec 2003 13:43:50 GMT, Expert Woodworker
wrote:

Newbies: these are the jerks that I tried to warn you about. I am sure
that the overwhelming majority of users here are quality people, but a
small percentage of them are real jerks.

Any newbie who does a Google group search can tell that I provide help
quite often here, as well as learning a whole bunch myself:

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=Ke...up_please%40ao
l.com+group:rec.woodworking&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&group=rec.woodw
orking&start=10&sa=N

Yet a search for your posts includes one post, a "helpful" list of
Harbor Freight items:

Stop the two bit detective work. I never claimed to be a long time Usenet
poster. That does not put a dent in my woodworking experience. Like I said,
the specific tools that I endorsed are fine for a beginner. Not an advanced
amateur or a pro. And yes, I agree that a good amount of the HF stuff is
crap, the the stuff I bought for my grandson turned out to be fine.

Well I have 48 years professional experience and that is the sorriest list
of tools
I have ever seen in one list.

As they are bargains they are only good for a 6 thumbed non mechanical
person that attempts to make a home repair and then finnally admits he is
not mechanically inclined and hires someone competent to get the chore taken
care of
And then set it in the corner or use it as a boat anchor.

Most of these tools are only good in the hands of someone that is skilled
and knows how to get the best out of the worst.

The only truth in this post is that you do not have to use you life savings
to get decent equipment but this is a waste of money and will deter some
from not become a woodworker.

Can't wait for the next episode on use of table
What are you going to tell them --not to touch that whirly thingy going
around in circle @ 80 miles and hour
HMMMMMMMM

Well I have seen experts and I have seen experts this is truly one of them.

These self proclaimed experts amaze me.

By the way to all you skilled Hobbiests there are more inept
unknowledable people in proffesional shops than there are of you guys in
your home shops happily whittling away.

Nuff said, stay here newbies some info
you get here will be good and some great and some bad and some not worth a
****
Guess where this post ranks



"Expert Woodworker" wrote in message
.95...
WORKING TIPS FOR NEW WOODWORKERS - Episode 1

Hi. I am woodworker with over 40 years of professional experience. I am
posting this series of episodes to help new woodworkers with some basics
that most newbies are confused about.

POWER TOOLS: Most new woodworkers are very confused about their first tool
purchases. There is temptation to buy cheap, inferior stuff when you are
new because you don't want to invest that much in an activity that you may
not be very good at. Woodworking, IMHO, does require a natural talent and
you need to spend a fair amount of time woodworking before you would know
if you have this talent. But, if you buy the cheapest tools you can find,
you will probably get discouraged before you go very far.

Then you will have the self-procalimed experts (like some of the regulars
of this newsgroup) who will tell you to start out with only the best. This
is nothing but pure liquid hogwash! There is no reason you need to blow
your life savings on power tools to get started as a woodworker.

Episode 1 - YOUR OWN SHOP FOR UNDER $500:

I have put together a list of medium-caliber power tools that would make a
great first inventory of woodworkers tools. Each of these tools has been
tested and inspected by me. I bought all of the following tools for my
eldest grandson for his Christmas present, so you can see that I am not
suggesting these items out of my butt.

THE LIST:

$119 US General - TABLE SAW (with stand)
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/cta...emnumber=46987

$79.99 Chicago Electric - 3 HP PLUNGE ROUTER
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/cta...emnumber=37793

$24.99 Chicago Electric - 1/2'' VARIABLE SPEED REVERSIBLE HAMMER DRILL
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/cta...emnumber=45338

$49.99 Dewalt - 1/4 SHEET HEAVY DUTY PALM GRIP SANDER
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/cta...temnumber=1284

$39.99 Central Pneumatic - 1/4'' AIR SCREWDRIVER
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/cta...emnumber=45266

$6.49 Chicago Electric - GLUE GUN
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/cta...emnumber=47445

$39.99 Chicago Electric - BISCUIT JOINER KIT
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/cta...emnumber=38648

$39.99 Wagner - POWER PAINTER
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/cta...emnumber=30760

$34.99 Chicago Electric - 7-1/4'' CIRCULAR SAW
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/cta...emnumber=46866

You will want to buy better blades for the 2 saws, but that should bring
your grand total to about $500, shipped. Keep in mind, this is not high
end
stuff, but then again is is not the bottom of the barrel. You can check
around the HF site, but I would go with the list above. They sell cheaper
models for almost each tool on the list, but these have all been tested by
a professional with more than 40 years experience, yours truly!

IN THE NEXT EPISODE 2: How to use your table saw

God I hope I haven't been suckered into replying to troll/spam.

But for a beginner woodworker, I can't imagine why on earth you'd
recommend their first tools include a 1/2" hammer drill, a glue gun,
and a paint gun.

On Sat, 20 Dec 2003 14:46:58 GMT, Expert Woodworker
wrote:


Stop the two bit detective work. I never claimed to be a long time Usenet
poster. That does not put a dent in my woodworking experience. Like I said,
the specific tools that I endorsed are fine for a beginner.

Certainly! Back to the original questions, and onward with helping
newbies. G I'm seeking clarifications to the following expert
recommendations, as maybe _I_ can learn something.

So, Gary,

Why would you recommend a 1/4 sheet sander over a random orbit sander,
when both can be had for about the same price?

Why would a newbie need _any_ pneumatic tool without a compressor?

Why would a newbie need a pneumatic screwdriver, when a VSR drill is
also on the list?

Why a glue gun? What's your recommendation for glue for this gun?

What advantage does a poor table saw _and_ a cheap circular saw have
over a high quality circular saw and edge guide?

Wouldn't a woodworker need some sort of measuring device and angle
layout tools? What would you recommend?

Thanks in advance,
Barry

Self proclaimed experts? Well, as they say, "it takes one to know one".

Hot glue gun? 5 pound reversible HAMMER drill? Pneumatic screw gun $40.00,
what about the other couple of hundred for the compressor? Maybe you can
recommend one of those 12V tire inflation compressors to run it for $24.00.
Airless spray gun when a less then $100.00 serviceable HVLP system is
available in the same catalog? Not a mention of clamps, chisels, rasps &
files, let alone measuring and marking tools. HF has some reasonably
accurate engineering squares in that same catalog. Hell, not even a hint of
the most important tool of all, reference books.

While the opening sentiments are good, ninety percent of the tool list is so
ludicrous it smacks highly of troll. The only reason I can see for anyone
replying to it is that some newbie might actually take it seriously.

Hell man your not even an expert troll but, to give some credit, you did
provide some entertainment and a chuckle or two.

--
Mike G.

Heirloom Woods
www.heirloom-woods.net
"Expert Woodworker" wrote in message
.95...
WORKING TIPS FOR NEW WOODWORKERS - Episode 1

Hi. I am woodworker with over 40 years of professional experience. I am
posting this series of episodes to help new woodworkers with some basics
that most newbies are confused about.

POWER TOOLS: Most new woodworkers are very confused about their first tool
purchases. There is temptation to buy cheap, inferior stuff when you are
new because you don't want to invest that much in an activity that you may
not be very good at. Woodworking, IMHO, does require a natural talent and
you need to spend a fair amount of time woodworking before you would know
if you have this talent. But, if you buy the cheapest tools you can find,
you will probably get discouraged before you go very far.

Then you will have the self-procalimed experts (like some of the regulars
of this newsgroup) who will tell you to start out with only the best. This
is nothing but pure liquid hogwash! There is no reason you need to blow
your life savings on power tools to get started as a woodworker.

Episode 1 - YOUR OWN SHOP FOR UNDER $500:

I have put together a list of medium-caliber power tools that would make a
great first inventory of woodworkers tools. Each of these tools has been
tested and inspected by me. I bought all of the following tools for my
eldest grandson for his Christmas present, so you can see that I am not
suggesting these items out of my butt.

THE LIST:

$119 US General - TABLE SAW (with stand)
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/cta...emnumber=46987

$79.99 Chicago Electric - 3 HP PLUNGE ROUTER
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/cta...emnumber=37793

$24.99 Chicago Electric - 1/2'' VARIABLE SPEED REVERSIBLE HAMMER DRILL
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/cta...emnumber=45338

$49.99 Dewalt - 1/4 SHEET HEAVY DUTY PALM GRIP SANDER
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/cta...temnumber=1284

$39.99 Central Pneumatic - 1/4'' AIR SCREWDRIVER
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/cta...emnumber=45266

$6.49 Chicago Electric - GLUE GUN
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/cta...emnumber=47445

$39.99 Chicago Electric - BISCUIT JOINER KIT
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/cta...emnumber=38648

$39.99 Wagner - POWER PAINTER
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/cta...emnumber=30760

$34.99 Chicago Electric - 7-1/4'' CIRCULAR SAW
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/cta...emnumber=46866

You will want to buy better blades for the 2 saws, but that should bring
your grand total to about $500, shipped. Keep in mind, this is not high
end
stuff, but then again is is not the bottom of the barrel. You can check
around the HF site, but I would go with the list above. They sell cheaper
models for almost each tool on the list, but these have all been tested by
a professional with more than 40 years experience, yours truly!

IN THE NEXT EPISODE 2: How to use your table saw

On Sat, 20 Dec 2003 11:55:12 GMT, Export Woodworker
spammed:

WORKING TIPS FOR NEW WOODWORKERS - Episode 1

Hi. I am woodworker with over 40 years of professional experience. I am
posting this series of episodes to help new woodworkers with some basics
that most newbies are confused about.

Man, this smells so much like Davey...

I once had a guy apply for work who said he had forty years experience
- and he did, too - as a concrete form man. Didn't have much use for
him.

I'd take that five-hundred dollars and buy all best quality hand tools
- the prettiest ones I could find.

That way the kid has a good leg up if he sticks with it and can use
the tools as decorations if he doesn't.




Regards,

Tom Watson - Cabinetmaker (ret.)
www.users.snip.net/~tjwatson

Your post reminded me of a question that came up when discussing a
Christmas gift idea with my wife. She was attempting to locate the
larger amp hour (3.5ah)Panasonic drill recently reviewed in a woodworker mag.
She thought she should get me the "set" that included an impact
driver. I was then and am now unable to imagine a use for an impact
driver in woodworking. When I hear/see impact all that comes to mind
is the dismounting and mounting of automobile wheels.

I would appreciate it if you would elaborate on the need for such a
tool in a wood shop.

Regards,
RichardC


Expert Woodworker wrote in message . 5.95...
WORKING TIPS FOR NEW WOODWORKERS - Episode 1

Hi. I am woodworker with over 40 years of professional experience. I am
posting this series of episodes to help new woodworkers with some basics
that most newbies are confused about.

POWER TOOLS: Most new woodworkers are very confused about their first tool
purchases. There is temptation to buy cheap, inferior stuff when you are
new because you don't want to invest that much in an activity that you may
not be very good at. Woodworking, IMHO, does require a natural talent and
you need to spend a fair amount of time woodworking before you would know
if you have this talent. But, if you buy the cheapest tools you can find,
you will probably get discouraged before you go very far.

Then you will have the self-procalimed experts (like some of the regulars
of this newsgroup) who will tell you to start out with only the best. This
is nothing but pure liquid hogwash! There is no reason you need to blow
your life savings on power tools to get started as a woodworker.

Episode 1 - YOUR OWN SHOP FOR UNDER $500:

I have put together a list of medium-caliber power tools that would make a
great first inventory of woodworkers tools. Each of these tools has been
tested and inspected by me. I bought all of the following tools for my
eldest grandson for his Christmas present, so you can see that I am not
suggesting these items out of my butt.

THE LIST:

$119 US General - TABLE SAW (with stand)
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/cta...emnumber=46987

$79.99 Chicago Electric - 3 HP PLUNGE ROUTER
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/cta...emnumber=37793

$24.99 Chicago Electric - 1/2'' VARIABLE SPEED REVERSIBLE HAMMER DRILL
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/cta...emnumber=45338

$49.99 Dewalt - 1/4 SHEET HEAVY DUTY PALM GRIP SANDER
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/cta...temnumber=1284

$39.99 Central Pneumatic - 1/4'' AIR SCREWDRIVER
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/cta...emnumber=45266

$6.49 Chicago Electric - GLUE GUN
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/cta...emnumber=47445

$39.99 Chicago Electric - BISCUIT JOINER KIT
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/cta...emnumber=38648

$39.99 Wagner - POWER PAINTER
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/cta...emnumber=30760

$34.99 Chicago Electric - 7-1/4'' CIRCULAR SAW
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/cta...emnumber=46866

You will want to buy better blades for the 2 saws, but that should bring
your grand total to about $500, shipped. Keep in mind, this is not high end
stuff, but then again is is not the bottom of the barrel. You can check
around the HF site, but I would go with the list above. They sell cheaper
models for almost each tool on the list, but these have all been tested by
a professional with more than 40 years experience, yours truly!

IN THE NEXT EPISODE 2: How to use your table saw

You mean you don't have wooden wheels on your car G
"Richard Cook" wrote in message
om...
Your post reminded me of a question that came up when discussing a
Christmas gift idea with my wife. She was attempting to locate the
larger amp hour (3.5ah)Panasonic drill recently reviewed in a woodworker
mag.
She thought she should get me the "set" that included an impact
driver. I was then and am now unable to imagine a use for an impact
driver in woodworking. When I hear/see impact all that comes to mind
is the dismounting and mounting of automobile wheels.

I would appreciate it if you would elaborate on the need for such a
tool in a wood shop.

Regards,
RichardC


Expert Woodworker wrote in message
. 5.95...
WORKING TIPS FOR NEW WOODWORKERS - Episode 1

Hi. I am woodworker with over 40 years of professional experience. I am
posting this series of episodes to help new woodworkers with some basics
that most newbies are confused about.

POWER TOOLS: Most new woodworkers are very confused about their first
tool
purchases. There is temptation to buy cheap, inferior stuff when you are
new because you don't want to invest that much in an activity that you
may
not be very good at. Woodworking, IMHO, does require a natural talent
and
you need to spend a fair amount of time woodworking before you would
know
if you have this talent. But, if you buy the cheapest tools you can
find,
you will probably get discouraged before you go very far.

Then you will have the self-procalimed experts (like some of the
regulars
of this newsgroup) who will tell you to start out with only the best.
This
is nothing but pure liquid hogwash! There is no reason you need to blow
your life savings on power tools to get started as a woodworker.

Episode 1 - YOUR OWN SHOP FOR UNDER $500:

I have put together a list of medium-caliber power tools that would make
a
great first inventory of woodworkers tools. Each of these tools has been
tested and inspected by me. I bought all of the following tools for my
eldest grandson for his Christmas present, so you can see that I am not
suggesting these items out of my butt.

THE LIST:

$119 US General - TABLE SAW (with stand)
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/cta...emnumber=46987

$79.99 Chicago Electric - 3 HP PLUNGE ROUTER
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/cta...emnumber=37793

$24.99 Chicago Electric - 1/2'' VARIABLE SPEED REVERSIBLE HAMMER DRILL
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/cta...emnumber=45338

$49.99 Dewalt - 1/4 SHEET HEAVY DUTY PALM GRIP SANDER
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/cta...temnumber=1284

$39.99 Central Pneumatic - 1/4'' AIR SCREWDRIVER
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/cta...emnumber=45266

$6.49 Chicago Electric - GLUE GUN
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/cta...emnumber=47445

$39.99 Chicago Electric - BISCUIT JOINER KIT
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/cta...emnumber=38648

$39.99 Wagner - POWER PAINTER
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/cta...emnumber=30760

$34.99 Chicago Electric - 7-1/4'' CIRCULAR SAW
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/cta...emnumber=46866

You will want to buy better blades for the 2 saws, but that should bring
your grand total to about $500, shipped. Keep in mind, this is not high
end
stuff, but then again is is not the bottom of the barrel. You can check
around the HF site, but I would go with the list above. They sell
cheaper
models for almost each tool on the list, but these have all been tested
by
a professional with more than 40 years experience, yours truly!

IN THE NEXT EPISODE 2: How to use your table saw

You may have tested the particular item, but who's to say that when _I_
buy one, it won't be the same branding, but completely diffferent (and even
junkier) guts? That's how these cheap tool makers work, isn't it? (That's
how cheap PC builders work).

Also, I have some air tools, and use them from time-to-time, but what the
heck is an air screwdriver?

Jim H



"Expert Woodworker" wrote in message
.95...
B a r r y B u r k e J r .
wrote in :

On Sat, 20 Dec 2003 13:43:50 GMT, Expert Woodworker
wrote:

Newbies: these are the jerks that I tried to warn you about. I am sure
that the overwhelming majority of users here are quality people, but a
small percentage of them are real jerks.

Any newbie who does a Google group search can tell that I provide help
quite often here, as well as learning a whole bunch myself:

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=Ke...up_please%40ao
l.com+group:rec.woodworking&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&group=rec.woodw
orking&start=10&sa=N

Yet a search for your posts includes one post, a "helpful" list of
Harbor Freight items:

Stop the two bit detective work. I never claimed to be a long time Usenet
poster. That does not put a dent in my woodworking experience. Like I
said,
the specific tools that I endorsed are fine for a beginner. Not an
advanced
amateur or a pro. And yes, I agree that a good amount of the HF stuff is
crap, the the stuff I bought for my grandson turned out to be fine.

Expert Woodworker wrote in message . 5.95...
WORKING TIPS FOR NEW WOODWORKERS - Episode 1
$119 US General - TABLE SAW (with stand)
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/cta...emnumber=46987
snip

IN THE NEXT EPISODE 2: How to use your table saw

Umm, with that table saw, the best way to use it is to jack up the
arbor nut, and slide a $100 used 1970's Craftsman contractor's saw
under it.

Then replace the arbor nut with the one that came on the Craftsman

In the spirit of the holiday season,

I think it's great that you are able to give your grandson some tools that
will hopefully, foster a desire for him to follow in your footsteps. For
whatever reason you selected those particular tools - it's your gift to him
and I hope you follow-up and show him how to properly use them. Forty years
of experience - that would be the real gift.

Bob S.

"Jim Helfer" wrote in
:

You may have tested the particular item, but who's to say that when
_I_
buy one, it won't be the same branding, but completely diffferent (and
even junkier) guts? That's how these cheap tool makers work, isn't
it? (That's how cheap PC builders work).

Also, I have some air tools, and use them from time-to-time, but
what the
heck is an air screwdriver?

Jim H



"Expert Woodworker" wrote in message
.95...
B a r r y B u r k e J r .
wrote in :

On Sat, 20 Dec 2003 13:43:50 GMT, Expert Woodworker
wrote:

Newbies: these are the jerks that I tried to warn you about. I am
sure that the overwhelming majority of users here are quality
people, but a small percentage of them are real jerks.

Any newbie who does a Google group search can tell that I provide
help quite often here, as well as learning a whole bunch myself:

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=Ke...group_please%4
0ao
l.com+group:rec.woodworking&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&group=rec.wo
odw orking&start=10&sa=N

Yet a search for your posts includes one post, a "helpful" list of
Harbor Freight items:

Stop the two bit detective work. I never claimed to be a long time
Usenet poster. That does not put a dent in my woodworking experience.
Like I
said,
the specific tools that I endorsed are fine for a beginner. Not an
advanced
amateur or a pro. And yes, I agree that a good amount of the HF stuff
is crap, the the stuff I bought for my grandson turned out to be
fine.


I must say that I am shocked at the personal attacks I have gotten today. I
knew that there would be one or two, but I certainly am surprised at the
volume. I am up in years. I am not as young as most of you probably are. I
offered advice on a series of products that I recently purchased and I have
been accused of being a spammer, and my experience has been questioned. Did
I ever say...hey don't buy a Jet cabinet saw or a Unisaw if you are a
veteran. No. Heck, I don't understand this generation much at all.

(Tom Bergman) wrote in
om:

God I hope I haven't been suckered into replying to troll/spam.

But for a beginner woodworker, I can't imagine why on earth you'd
recommend their first tools include a 1/2" hammer drill, a glue gun,
and a paint gun.



Would a spammer admit that many of the products sold by the company in
question are garbage? Probably not. I found the SPECIFIC items on the list
to be adequate for a BEGINNER. Why are you so harsh?

Expert Woodworker responds:

I must say that I am shocked at the personal attacks I have gotten today. I

Best not to start off calling people jerks, then.

I am up in years. I am not as young as most of you probably are.

Damfino. I turned 65 in October. Seems to me most of the guys on here are in
their 40s and up, and there are at least 3 who are older than I.

I
offered advice on a series of products that I recently purchased and I have
been accused of being a spammer, and my experience has been questioned.

You offered advice that is near useless for the intended audience, but spouted
off about it being great advice from someone with lots of experience, knocking
all the "self-appointed" expert woodworkers. Who appointed you?

Heck, I don't understand this generation much at all.

Which one?

Charlie Self

"Man is a reasoning rather than a reasonable animal."
Alexander Hamilton

http://hometown.aol.com/charliediy/m.../business.html

Self Proclaimed
Expert Woodworker wrote:
WORKING TIPS FOR NEW WOODWORKERS - Episode 1
snip of resume and odd choices.

How come I feel like Bob Vila just branched out to the NG?
Dave in Fairfax
--
reply-to doesn't work
use:
daveldr at att dot net

"Bob S." wrote in
:

In the spirit of the holiday season,

I think it's great that you are able to give your grandson some tools
that will hopefully, foster a desire for him to follow in your
footsteps. For whatever reason you selected those particular tools -
it's your gift to him and I hope you follow-up and show him how to
properly use them. Forty years of experience - that would be the real
gift.

Bob S.




Thank you, Bob. Like I said, the majority of the users here are good
people. It is about time that one of them decided to reply.

I offered to buy him a high end circular saw and a few other expensive
pieces. Actually, he picked out the HF stuff by himself. I originally
thought it was a bad idea, but I went along with it and put the order on my
card. Once the stuff arrived I was truly impressed at the relatively
acceptable performance. I make no account of other products from this
vendor. I have also seen a fair amount of crap from them.

otforme (Charlie Self) wrote in
:

Expert Woodworker responds:

I must say that I am shocked at the personal attacks I have gotten
today. I

Best not to start off calling people jerks, then.

I said that there was a small percentage, as in any other forum.


I am up in years. I am not as young as most of you probably are.

Damfino. I turned 65 in October. Seems to me most of the guys on here
are in their 40s and up, and there are at least 3 who are older than
I.

Make that 4, sonny.

I
offered advice on a series of products that I recently purchased and I
have been accused of being a spammer, and my experience has been
questioned.

You offered advice that is near useless for the intended audience, but
spouted off about it being great advice from someone with lots of
experience, knocking all the "self-appointed" expert woodworkers.

Not all. Several.

Who
appointed you?


I see that I am not very welcome here. Don't worry. I will not bother any
one of you any more. I am not as efficient a communicator as I am a
woodworker. Sorry for the misunderstanding. I thought I was being helpful.

Gary

Expert Woodworker wrote:
B a r r y B u r k e J r .
wrote in :
On Sat, 20 Dec 2003 12:57:15 GMT, Expert Woodworker
wrote:
Not at all. I have no afiliation with HF other that my recent order
for my grandson.
Do you have a first name?
Gary
Got any photos of projects you've
completed?
Yes, I do. Have you?
I didn't think so.
An nslookup of woodworkpro.net comes up as a non-existent domain:

Sam Spade shows: "No match for WOODWORKPRO.NET
and running the IP addy shows:
12/20/03 11:09:59 IP block 63.223.5.95
Trying 63.223.5.95 at ARIN
Trying 63.223.5 at ARIN

OrgName: CAIS Internet
OrgID: CAIS
Address: 6861 Elm Street, Third Floor
City: McLean
StateProv: VA
PostalCode: 22101
Country: US

ReferralServer: rwhois://rwhois.cais.net:4321/

You comments are digusting, false, and libelous. And your domain is incorrect.

The comments were skeptical based on your choices, and questioning of
your motives, not disgusting, false, or libelous. What was false was
your e-mail addy. What was disgusting was your rabid attack rather than
a reasoned one. His domain was correct, yours was not. AS yet nothing
libelous has been written. You are correct in pointing out that some HF
tools are worth having, many are not. I still think that your choices
are odd but the reasons have been covered by others. If you don't want
spam, feel free to mung your addy, many of us do, most also show a
usable addy in the sig line. Free exchange is welcome here, insults and
ads aren't.
Dave in Fairfax
--
reply-to doesn't work
use:
daveldr at att dot net

On Sat, 20 Dec 2003 10:26:28 -0500, Tom Watson
wrote:



Man, this smells so much like Davey...

Nah, Davey'd be working today, this close to Christmas.

The Harbor Fright stuff don't bother me none - I just can't figger a
self proclaimed old fart would be using Xnews.

Now, Scotty Cramer uses Xnews...


Regards,

Tom Watson - Cabinetmaker (ret.)
http:users.snip.net/~tjwatson

B a r r y B u r k e J r .
wrote in :

On Sat, 20 Dec 2003 14:46:58 GMT, Expert Woodworker
wrote:


Stop the two bit detective work. I never claimed to be a long time
Usenet poster. That does not put a dent in my woodworking experience.
Like I said, the specific tools that I endorsed are fine for a
beginner.

Certainly! Back to the original questions, and onward with helping
newbies. G I'm seeking clarifications to the following expert
recommendations, as maybe _I_ can learn something.

So, Gary,

Why would you recommend a 1/4 sheet sander over a random orbit sander,
when both can be had for about the same price?

Because this is the sander that my grandson ordered and I find the quality
to be acceptable for what it is.

Why would a newbie need _any_ pneumatic tool without a compressor?

I gave my grandson an old compressor of mine, so he did not need to buy
one.


Why would a newbie need a pneumatic screwdriver, when a VSR drill is
also on the list?

I did not write the shopping list, Barry. All I did was pay the bill and
test the gear.

Why a glue gun? What's your recommendation for glue for this gun?

A glue gun is nice to have around. They do have their place like for lite
detailing, though I admit that I do not use one very often. I keep alot of
titebond and gg around.

What advantage does a poor table saw _and_ a cheap circular saw have
over a high quality circular saw and edge guide?

He insisted on the table saw. I tested it and it is not as bad I expected
once you get the guide set. I agree about the circular saw and the one he
has was another surprise once we changed the blade.

Wouldn't a woodworker need some sort of measuring device and angle
layout tools? What would you recommend?

Of course, I have tons of this stuff around. He did not need to buy this.

LET ME REPEAT: I ENDORSED A LIST OF SPECIFIC TOOLS THAT WERE PICKED OUT BY
MY GRANDSON.

PS. I would have gladly articulated more if I were not so aggressively
attacked. I'm just an ole man trying to be helpful. Sorry if I appear to be
a joke in your eyes.

wrote in :

Expert Woodworker wrote:
B a r r y B u r k e J r .
wrote in :
On Sat, 20 Dec 2003 12:57:15 GMT, Expert Woodworker
wrote:
Not at all. I have no afiliation with HF other that my recent order
for my grandson.
Do you have a first name?
Gary
Got any photos of projects you've
completed?
Yes, I do. Have you?
I didn't think so.
An nslookup of woodworkpro.net comes up as a non-existent domain:

Sam Spade shows: "No match for WOODWORKPRO.NET
and running the IP addy shows:
12/20/03 11:09:59 IP block 63.223.5.95
Trying 63.223.5.95 at ARIN
Trying 63.223.5 at ARIN

OrgName: CAIS Internet
OrgID: CAIS
Address: 6861 Elm Street, Third Floor
City: McLean
StateProv: VA
PostalCode: 22101
Country: US


You are not as clever as you think. I never claimed to get my email at
'woodworkpro.net'. What gave you that idea? My email address is obviously a
fake for SPAM evasion purposes. Am I the only person in this group that
does not provide my real email address? Not at all.

The shiny lure, accurately cast, barely caused a ripple as it 'plonked' into
the placid waters of the old wRec ....

The Question: Is David at it again?

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"Expert Woodworker" wrote in message

WORKING TIPS FOR NEW WOODWORKERS - Episode 1