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wild ass kitchen concept .
I am thinking of redoing our kitchen, I redid the whole thing many years ago
and am now tired of it . First of all there is not enough room to swing a cat in. the countertops are formica or at least the equivalent and I would like to repalace them with the cheapest solid material that looks good and is the cheapest, granite, slate ,marble whatever ,anything but corianor similar. most economic recommendations appreciated. Bookcases ! my wife wants a bookcase to put her cookbooks on and there flayt is not enough space anywhere .So here is a question for the nurogeekwoodworkers . Is it possible to have a pulldown flatscreen, that has access to cookbooks on a Cd or the like that I could even load the family cook book into ,suggstions amd directions would be appeciated ...mjh -- mike hide http://members.tripod.com/mikehide2 |
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On Thu, 24 Jul 2003 01:22:31 GMT, "Mike Hide"
wrote: First of all there is not enough room to swing a cat in. Then you DEFINITELY don't want to let a wild ass in! BArry |
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On Thu, 24 Jul 2003 01:22:31 +0000, Mike Hide wrote:
First of all there is not enough room to swing a cat in. the countertops are formica or at least the equivalent and I would like to repalace them with the cheapest solid material that looks good and is the cheapest, granite, slate ,marble whatever ,anything but corianor similar. most economic recommendations appreciated. DAGS on +concrete +countertop. Lotsa pics and ideas, and you did say "wild ass" ;-) -Doug |
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wild ass kitchen concept .
I'm not doing a kitchen right now, but when it's time you can bet I'll be
looking at a poured-in-place concrete countertop. Why? I have no idea but for some reason I just want to try and make one. Rob "Doug Winterburn" wrote in message s.com... On Thu, 24 Jul 2003 01:22:31 +0000, Mike Hide wrote: First of all there is not enough room to swing a cat in. the countertops are formica or at least the equivalent and I would like to repalace them with the cheapest solid material that looks good and is the cheapest, granite, slate ,marble whatever ,anything but corianor similar. most economic recommendations appreciated. DAGS on +concrete +countertop. Lotsa pics and ideas, and you did say "wild ass" ;-) -Doug |
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On Thu, 24 Jul 2003 02:15:28 +0000, Rob Stokes wrote:
I'm not doing a kitchen right now, but when it's time you can bet I'll be looking at a poured-in-place concrete countertop. Why? I have no idea but for some reason I just want to try and make one. We think alike (or not). All I know is every concrete project I've ever done ends in the middle of the night with the halogen work lights on so I can put the "finishing touch" on before collapsing from fatigue. -Doug |
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wild ass kitchen concept .
You mean there's another way?
Actually, to be truthful, if I did a poured-in-place concrete counter I'd have to buy the "food safe" version of that vinyl based levelling compound to cover the swearing that results from the morning after things looked so perfect under the halogen lights right after your neighbours have gone home.....g! Rob "Doug Winterburn" wrote in message s.com... On Thu, 24 Jul 2003 02:15:28 +0000, Rob Stokes wrote: I'm not doing a kitchen right now, but when it's time you can bet I'll be looking at a poured-in-place concrete countertop. Why? I have no idea but for some reason I just want to try and make one. We think alike (or not). All I know is every concrete project I've ever done ends in the middle of the night with the halogen work lights on so I can put the "finishing touch" on before collapsing from fatigue. -Doug |
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wild ass kitchen concept .
"Mike Hide" wrote in message Bookcases ! my wife wants a bookcase to put her cookbooks on and there flayt is not enough space anywhere . That's a good thing. Cookbooks should not be kept in a kitchen with an opens case or shelf. They will deteriorate much faster. They will become coated with the same gunk that can accumulate in kitchens over time. You don't wash books like you do cabinet doors or counters. Ours are in a pie safe in the dining room. So here is a question for the nurogeekwoodworkers . Is it possible to have a pulldown flatscreen, that has access to cookbooks on a Cd or the like that I could even load the family cook book into ,suggstions amd directions would be appeciated ...mjh Expensive way of doing it and you are limited to viewing on the screen in one location. Scan or type the favorites into a database or Word file. Print out the recipe you need and stick it right in front of you when you cook. You may want it near the sink, or near a prep counter or on the kitchen table. Why be limited? So what if it gets sprayed or splattered, you just print a fresh copy the next time you need it. If you want to use recipe software, Now Your Cooking is one of the best DL a trial copy at www.ffts.com This is of course, just my opinion, but it is based on 20+ years of cooking. Ed http://pages.cthome.net/edhome |
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wild ass kitchen concept .
Mike Hide wrote:
snip Bookcases ! my wife wants a bookcase to put her cookbooks on and there flayt is not enough space anywhere .So here is a question for the nurogeekwoodworkers . Is it possible to have a pulldown flatscreen, that has access to cookbooks on a Cd or the like that I could even load the family cook book into ,suggstions amd directions would be appeciated ...mjh A laptop in a pull-out drawer? -- Jack Novak Buffalo, NY - USA |
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On Thu, 24 Jul 2003 03:08:35 +0000, Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
This is of course, just my opinion, but it is based on 20+ years of cooking. Ed I agree, Ed - but the OL insists on putting every new cookbook on the counter where it can get spattered with oil. I bought one of those lexan holders that would hold it upright and keep the oil off of it, but apparently it didn't fit with her idea of the kitchen decor :-( I've since taken up memorizing the recipes I like and to hell with the cookbooks. Besides, unless you're baking, you just need a pinch of this, a dash of that and a palm-full of the other stuff, and then season to taste. -Doug |
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wild ass kitchen concept .
My wife collects cookbooks also. I posted a couple of pics on
www.spaltedboard.com Bragging Board forum of a sideboard with storage of cookbooks that might be an alternate solution. Our kitchen redo 3 years ago included a cabinet with drawers under the cooktop. Contractor cut drawers to fit under cooktop leaving a very shallpw drawer. There is just enough space for spice jars to lie flat so I fit some 1/4" strips between the rows and they're near the place where they're used. Used to be on stepped arrangement inside near cabinet but this frees up that space also. On Thu, 24 Jul 2003 01:22:31 GMT, "Mike Hide" wrote: Bookcases ! my wife wants a bookcase to put her cookbooks on and there flayt is not enough space anywhere . |
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wild ass kitchen concept .
For gawds sake avoid any sort of carbonate stone. Marble, limestone,
travertine, etc. The stuff just plain does not stand up under traffic, use, mild abrasion or dilute acids. You can scratch it with a penny and etch it with lemon juice, tomato juice or carbonated beverages. Chemically, it's about the same material as an eggshell. If you want a demonstration of it's durability, soak an egg overnight in a glass of coke. Builders and interior designers push the stuff a lot, but it's a disaster about to happen. They claim that "sealing" it will fix the problem. The sealer is just a coat of polyurithane and lasts just long enough for the installer to collect his paycheck. "Mike Hide" wrote in message news:qxGTa.116609$OZ2.23054@rwcrnsc54... I am thinking of redoing our kitchen, I redid the whole thing many years ago and am now tired of it . First of all there is not enough room to swing a cat in. the countertops are formica or at least the equivalent and I would like to repalace them with the cheapest solid material that looks good and is the cheapest, granite, slate ,marble whatever ,anything but corianor similar. most economic recommendations appreciated. Bookcases ! my wife wants a bookcase to put her cookbooks on and there flayt is not enough space anywhere .So here is a question for the nurogeekwoodworkers . Is it possible to have a pulldown flatscreen, that has access to cookbooks on a Cd or the like that I could even load the family cook book into ,suggstions amd directions would be appeciated ...mjh -- mike hide http://members.tripod.com/mikehide2 |
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wild ass kitchen concept -flat screen
I have seen a flat screen made by Compaq that stores horizontally. Pushing
on it causes it to slide out and pop into the vertical position. The only place I have actually used/seen this is in a rack of servers where they share a common keyboard and screen. So this is part of what can easily be $100k worth of equip. I do not know if you can buy these screens seperately, or if they are even available to the general public. The only thing I can say for sure is that they do exisit and that it would be very slick idea in the kitchen. JB "Mike Hide" wrote in message news:qxGTa.116609$OZ2.23054@rwcrnsc54... I am thinking of redoing our kitchen, I redid the whole thing many years ago and am now tired of it . First of all there is not enough room to swing a cat in. the countertops are formica or at least the equivalent and I would like to repalace them with the cheapest solid material that looks good and is the cheapest, granite, slate ,marble whatever ,anything but corianor similar. most economic recommendations appreciated. Bookcases ! my wife wants a bookcase to put her cookbooks on and there flayt is not enough space anywhere .So here is a question for the nurogeekwoodworkers . Is it possible to have a pulldown flatscreen, that has access to cookbooks on a Cd or the like that I could even load the family cook book into ,suggstions amd directions would be appeciated ...mjh -- mike hide http://members.tripod.com/mikehide2 |
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wild ass kitchen concept .
Bookcases ! my wife wants a bookcase to put her cookbooks on and there flayt is not enough space anywhere .So here is a question for the nurogeekwoodworkers . Is it possible to have a pulldown flatscreen, that has access to cookbooks on a Cd or the like that I could even load the family cook book into ,suggstions amd directions would be appeciated ...mjh -- mike hide http://members.tripod.com/mikehide2 I have seen a concept house where the output from the computer was projected onto the work surface. Used voice recognition to navigate etc. but had a keyboard tucked away in a drawer somewhere I think. Completely hands free but requires that at least some of your countertop is not covered with bowls, plates, etc.and is not too highly figured. An alternative would be to build the flat panel into one of the cabinet doors. -Jack |
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wild ass kitchen concept -flat screen
Concrete counter tops are all the rage now. Lots of books and articles
on how to create great finishes and can be cheap if you do it yourself. "jbaron" wrote in message ... I have seen a flat screen made by Compaq that stores horizontally. Pushing on it causes it to slide out and pop into the vertical position. The only place I have actually used/seen this is in a rack of servers where they share a common keyboard and screen. So this is part of what can easily be $100k worth of equip. I do not know if you can buy these screens seperately, or if they are even available to the general public. The only thing I can say for sure is that they do exisit and that it would be very slick idea in the kitchen. JB "Mike Hide" wrote in message news:qxGTa.116609$OZ2.23054@rwcrnsc54... I am thinking of redoing our kitchen, I redid the whole thing many years ago and am now tired of it . First of all there is not enough room to swing a cat in. the countertops are formica or at least the equivalent and I would like to repalace them with the cheapest solid material that looks good and is the cheapest, granite, slate ,marble whatever ,anything but corianor similar. most economic recommendations appreciated. Bookcases ! my wife wants a bookcase to put her cookbooks on and there flayt is not enough space anywhere .So here is a question for the nurogeekwoodworkers . Is it possible to have a pulldown flatscreen, that has access to cookbooks on a Cd or the like that I could even load the family cook book into ,suggstions amd directions would be appeciated ...mjh -- mike hide http://members.tripod.com/mikehide2 |
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wild ass kitchen concept .
I've thought about concrete, too. Everything I read says that it is a
"complicated project" that must be done by an "experienced professional" (Dr. Evil emphasis added). I haven't done much concrete work, but I would think that building forms is no more complicated than the woodworking skills of the average rec.woodworker and a few bags of readymix are just not that expensive. The biggest risk is that the kitchen would be down for a few days longer than necessary if I had to bust the thing up and haul to the dump. What am I missing? Noel Montgomery "Rob Stokes" wrote in message s.com... I'm not doing a kitchen right now, but when it's time you can bet I'll be looking at a poured-in-place concrete countertop. Why? I have no idea but for some reason I just want to try and make one. Rob "Doug Winterburn" wrote in message s.com... On Thu, 24 Jul 2003 01:22:31 +0000, Mike Hide wrote: First of all there is not enough room to swing a cat in. the countertops are formica or at least the equivalent and I would like to repalace them with the cheapest solid material that looks good and is the cheapest, granite, slate ,marble whatever ,anything but corianor similar. most economic recommendations appreciated. DAGS on +concrete +countertop. Lotsa pics and ideas, and you did say "wild ass" ;-) -Doug |
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wild ass kitchen concept .
thirty days to cure, but not to dry. You could peel the forms the next day
and slap plywood on top untill the hardness started to come up.... Damn....this could be fun. Rob "Lee Michaels" wrote in message news:qJYTa.137400$ye4.95795@sccrnsc01... "Montyhp" wrote in message ... I've thought about concrete, too. Everything I read says that it is a "complicated project" that must be done by an "experienced professional" (Dr. Evil emphasis added). I haven't done much concrete work, but I would think that building forms is no more complicated than the woodworking skills of the average rec.woodworker and a few bags of readymix are just not that expensive. The biggest risk is that the kitchen would be down for a few days longer than necessary if I had to bust the thing up and haul to the dump. What am I missing? I am not an expert. But I have seen a couple programs on it. Both of the programs stated that the concrete takes about 30 days to cure. It didn't look that hard to do. If you followed the procedure exactly, you should be OK. But you wouldn't have a kitchen for month. The quckest, cheapest way for a granite countertop is granite tiles. |
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wild ass kitchen concept .
Montyhp asks:
Does it really have to totally cure before you could use the kitchen? I have seen concrete cured with wet burlap bags to keep it damp. Could you just keep wet towels on the countertop and use carefully? The towels would keep the concrete damp and cushion from dropped dishes. I doubt it. But I also doubt you'd have to wait 30 days. Concrete is theoretically said to never quite cure, reaching certain percentages of cure over specific periods of time. I've seen carpenters nail, with regular mild steel nails, sole plates to concrete floors in 3 day "dry" concrete, walking along the concrete, but being careful to stay off edges. IIRC, which I may not after 20 years, a 30 day cure is for something like a driveway, or a floor that is to get heavy use. Concrete continues to harden for years after that. Charlie Self "On account of being a democracy and run by the people, we are the only nation in the world that has to keep a government four years, no matter what it does." Will Rogers |
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wild ass kitchen concept .
Mike Hide spaketh...
Bookcases ! my wife wants a bookcase to put her cookbooks on those silly wives, so little idea of what technology could do for them, ahem Is it possible to have a pulldown flatscreen, that has access to cookbooks on a Cd or the like that I could even load the family cook book into yes ,suggstions amd directions would be appeciated ...mjh you are one of many, go here and read, read, read http://www.hometheaterforum.com/htforum/index.php http://www.diyaudio.com/ http://www.hommie.net/ http://www.diyprojection.com/ you should include voice recognition so that she doesn't have to operate the computer while her hands are messy -- McQualude |
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Rob Stokes wrote:
thirty days to cure, but not to dry. You could peel the forms the next day and slap plywood on top untill the hardness started to come up.... Damn....this could be fun. Rob Uh-huh..the first time the little woman drops a favorite plate or a glass slips out of her hand from a distance of only a couple of inches..who's gonna be on top of the "DEEP DO-DO" list? LOL! Scott -- An unkind remark is like a killing frost. No matter how much it warms up later, the damage remains. |
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On Thu, 24 Jul 2003 01:22:31 GMT, "Mike Hide"
wrote: I am thinking of redoing our kitchen, I redid the whole thing many years ago and am now tired of it . Ah Michael, it is easier to amend your expectations than to do the hard work of conforming them to reality. First of all there is not enough room to swing a cat in. But, is there still enough room to make breakfast in? A smallish kitchen is easier to clean than the bigass kitchens that are in fashion now. Do we really need so big an area to prepare food in? If the answer is yes, then you may need to do a bump out addition to the kitchen area, so that it may include people as well as food. An idea that I am fond of is a garden room sort of thing, where the people are in a sort of atrium and the kitchen work continues in the original space. the countertops are formica or at least the equivalent and I would like to repalace them with the cheapest solid material that looks good and is the cheapest, granite, slate ,marble whatever ,anything but corianor similar. most economic recommendations appreciated. #2 Granite currently goes for about the same money installed as Corian and its brethren. You don't have as much color (colour?) choice in the #2 but the money tradeoff can work magic with your attitude. Bookcases ! my wife wants a bookcase to put her cookbooks on and there flayt is not enough space anywhere .So here is a question for the nurogeekwoodworkers . Is it possible to have a pulldown flatscreen, that has access to cookbooks on a Cd or the like that I could even load the family cook book into ,suggstions amd directions would be appeciated ...mjh If you are actually blessed with a wife who really enjoys cookery, then a simple laptop on a pullout shelf should be sufficient to give her access to the web and all the possibilities such access implies. Remember, Michael, I've seen your work and I am sure that your creative mind will come up with the appropriate solution. Regards, Tom Thomas J. Watson - Cabinetmaker Gulph Mills, Pennsylvania http://users.snip.net/~tjwatson |
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wild ass kitchen concept .
the countertops are
formica or at least the equivalent and I would like to repalace them with the cheapest solid material that looks good and is the cheapest, granite, slate ,marble whatever ,anything but corianor similar. most economic recommendations appreciated. #2 Granite currently goes for about the same money installed as Corian and its brethren. You don't have as much color (colour?) choice in the #2 but the money tradeoff can work magic with your attitude. I was able to install a granite counter top, with undermount sink as a DIY project. The BORG did not "allow" DIY instalation but I was able to beat their price for the material at a local stone cutting yard. Instalation was no problem except that it required a couple of friends to carefully carry the counter top from the truck to the kitchen. Also be aware that counter tops (or other stome sheets) must be transported on edge. I improvised a carrying rack for this purpose but you might consider delivery. |
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Concrerte counters (was: wild ass kitchen concept)
On the general topic of DIY councrete counters, I'd recommend "Concrete
Countertops: Design, Form, and Finishes for the New Kitchen and Bath" by Fu-Tung Cheng. Amazon has it at http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...1060020885/sr= 8-1/ref=sr_8_1/103-9001540-3922249?v=glance&s=books&n=507846 I found the book very interesting, and while we went with another method for a recent remodel, I wouldn't hesitate to try concrete after reading this book. -Killroy |
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wild ass kitchen concept .
Bill wrote:
: If you only put a screen there and it is not a touch screen then you also : need a keyboard. A cheap lap top might the the way to go. Another solution is an "Internet Appliance". None of these have been very successful in the market and you can often find them either on closeout or ebay. It will require some "geeking" to make work, but can be a great solution if you're technically inclined. For example, I have a 3Com "Audrey" internet appliance on my kitchen counter for displaying recipes. It connects via ethernet to my Linux server, which serves the recipes using some Perl cgi scripts that provide a nice interface. All of the recipes were entered via a Windows program ("MasterCook"), exported to a text file, and converted to individual HTML files using another Perl script. One of these days I need to write a couple more scripts so that recipes can be entered directly, and add better search capability (other than by name)... Physically, the Audrey is smallish (it fits neatly on the counter) and since it has no fan or disk it is silent. It's got a color 640x480 touchscreen and an IR keyboard that hangs on the back, out of sight except on the rare occasion it's needed. Cost me less than $100 for the unit and USB-ethernet adapter. -Brett -- Brett B. Bonner This planet needs a lot more kids who think taking the lawnmower's engine apart is *way* more fun than playing Nintendo. |
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