Painting a wooden bowl turned on a lathe and terming the effort 'Turning
Wood' is sort of like painting a sunset on a canvas and calling the
effort 'Weaving Cloth'.


A good turner who knows nothing about the craft is sort of like a good
driver who knows nothing about internal combustion engines. Do both need
to know engineering, physics, topology, golden entangles and Canuck
curves? "It ain't necessarily so."


What vast turning knowledge? A turner's inspiration has more to do with
breathing in than with divine influence. A Chimp doesn't need to drink
deep from some Pierian Spring. He just needs to secure a balanced blank,
stay on his side of the toolrest, rub the bevel, lead the flute, lag the
scraper and reduce the speed when the lathe starts to shake. It's very
likely that the chimp will turn something that knowledgeable turners
will critique ad nauseum, while some layman is buying it.


Most successful businesses make things that the public either wants or
needs and can afford. Some woodturners seek success by turning things
that they themselves want and don't need on a lathe they can't afford.


Just because a piece is useless doesn't make it fine art and calling it
art doesn't make it so. When an ignoramus reveals his ignorance by
making fun of a work of art, it diminishes him not the work.


It's not timber, tools nor shop. _ITTS _ "It's The Turner Stupid".
It's the turner that does the turning, not the equipment.

Did I get up on the wrong side of the bed this morning and have a cold
breakast? You think? Naw! I'm just a crotchety ole coot, a COC in
turner's clothing.


Turn to Safety, Arch
Fortiter


http://community.webtv.net/almcc/MacsMusings

Sorry Art. I missed the crotchety bit. I got up at 5:00 this am with gout.
The thought of being able to turn anything sounds good right now, as long as
I do not have to stand to do it. The meds should be ready at the drug store.
I think I will don my boots without those constricting socks and go pick
them up.

--
God bless and safe turning
Darrell Feltmate
Truro, NS Canada
http://aroundthewoods.com
http://roundopinions.blogspot.com
"Arch" wrote in message
...
Painting a wooden bowl turned on a lathe and terming the effort 'Turning
Wood' is sort of like painting a sunset on a canvas and calling the
effort 'Weaving Cloth'.


A good turner who knows nothing about the craft is sort of like a good
driver who knows nothing about internal combustion engines. Do both need
to know engineering, physics, topology, golden entangles and Canuck
curves? "It ain't necessarily so."


What vast turning knowledge? A turner's inspiration has more to do with
breathing in than with divine influence. A Chimp doesn't need to drink
deep from some Pierian Spring. He just needs to secure a balanced blank,
stay on his side of the toolrest, rub the bevel, lead the flute, lag the
scraper and reduce the speed when the lathe starts to shake. It's very
likely that the chimp will turn something that knowledgeable turners
will critique ad nauseum, while some layman is buying it.


Most successful businesses make things that the public either wants or
needs and can afford. Some woodturners seek success by turning things
that they themselves want and don't need on a lathe they can't afford.


Just because a piece is useless doesn't make it fine art and calling it
art doesn't make it so. When an ignoramus reveals his ignorance by
making fun of a work of art, it diminishes him not the work.


It's not timber, tools nor shop. _ITTS _ "It's The Turner Stupid".
It's the turner that does the turning, not the equipment.

Did I get up on the wrong side of the bed this morning and have a cold
breakast? You think? Naw! I'm just a crotchety ole coot, a COC in
turner's clothing.


Turn to Safety, Arch
Fortiter


http://community.webtv.net/almcc/MacsMusings

"Arch" wrote in message
...
Painting a wooden bowl turned on a lathe and terming the effort 'Turning
Wood' is sort of like painting a sunset on a canvas and calling the
effort 'Weaving Cloth'.


A good turner who knows nothing about the craft is sort of like a good
driver who knows nothing about internal combustion engines. Do both need
to know engineering, physics, topology, golden entangles and Canuck
curves? "It ain't necessarily so."


What vast turning knowledge? A turner's inspiration has more to do with
breathing in than with divine influence. A Chimp doesn't need to drink
deep from some Pierian Spring. He just needs to secure a balanced blank,
stay on his side of the toolrest, rub the bevel, lead the flute, lag the
scraper and reduce the speed when the lathe starts to shake. It's very
likely that the chimp will turn something that knowledgeable turners
will critique ad nauseum, while some layman is buying it.


Most successful businesses make things that the public either wants or
needs and can afford. Some woodturners seek success by turning things
that they themselves want and don't need on a lathe they can't afford.


Just because a piece is useless doesn't make it fine art and calling it
art doesn't make it so. When an ignoramus reveals his ignorance by
making fun of a work of art, it diminishes him not the work.


It's not timber, tools nor shop. _ITTS _ "It's The Turner Stupid".
It's the turner that does the turning, not the equipment.

Did I get up on the wrong side of the bed this morning and have a cold
breakast? You think? Naw! I'm just a crotchety ole coot, a COC in
turner's clothing.

Been browsing the WoW site again, have we?

On Tue, 11 Dec 2007 11:23:46 -0500, (Arch) wrote:

Painting a wooden bowl turned on a lathe and terming the effort 'Turning
Wood' is sort of like painting a sunset on a canvas and calling the
effort 'Weaving Cloth'.

more like turning stomachs?

A good turner who knows nothing about the craft is sort of like a good
driver who knows nothing about internal combustion engines. Do both need
to know engineering, physics, topology, golden entangles and Canuck
curves? "It ain't necessarily so."

You don't need to know how an engine works to drive, but I've always felt that
if you KNOW what's happening mechanically when you press the accelerator, gas &
clutch, you have a much better chance of becoming a better driver who limits
abuse of the machinery..

What vast turning knowledge? A turner's inspiration has more to do with
breathing in than with divine influence. A Chimp doesn't need to drink
deep from some Pierian Spring. He just needs to secure a balanced blank,
stay on his side of the toolrest, rub the bevel, lead the flute, lag the
scraper and reduce the speed when the lathe starts to shake. It's very
likely that the chimp will turn something that knowledgeable turners
will critique ad nauseum, while some layman is buying it.

Well, my half-vast knowledge tells me that there's a lot more to it than that,
and your work shows that you do to.. ;-]
Like anything else, the better educated and skilled you are at something, the
easier it seems.. and the harder it is to understand why everyone can't do as it
well..

Most successful businesses make things that the public either wants or
needs and can afford. Some woodturners seek success by turning things
that they themselves want and don't need on a lathe they can't afford.

Those are collectors, Arch, not sellers...
I used to be like that and hardly sold a thing... Then, I realized that if all I
made were things that I liked and wanted, I was cutting out most of my market..
Luckily, weird sells well, usually as art, so my stuff is popular.. *eg*

Just because a piece is useless doesn't make it fine art and calling it
art doesn't make it so. When an ignoramus reveals his ignorance by
making fun of a work of art, it diminishes him not the work.

Gotta disagree, Arch.. Utility stuff is for use and sells well but for little
profit..
"Art" has no real function except to be appreciated and is (hopefully)
priceless...
I people ask "what's it for", I know it's at least approaching art...
Am I an artist? Well, perception can become reality if you market hard
enough..lol

It's not timber, tools nor shop. _ITTS _ "It's The Turner Stupid".
It's the turner that does the turning, not the equipment.

Ahh.. but the lathe does the "turning"... We just visualize something and shape
it as the wood goes by, right?
If we weren't using a machine to spin the wood, we'd be carvers, not turners..

Did I get up on the wrong side of the bed this morning and have a cold
breakast? You think? Naw! I'm just a crotchety ole coot, a COC in
turner's clothing.

You wearing one of those turner's smock things, Arch???



mac

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On Tue, 11 Dec 2007 16:46:30 GMT, "Darrell Feltmate"
wrote:

Sorry Art. I missed the crotchety bit. I got up at 5:00 this am with gout.
The thought of being able to turn anything sounds good right now, as long as
I do not have to stand to do it. The meds should be ready at the drug store.
I think I will don my boots without those constricting socks and go pick
them up.

I feel your pain, Darrell..
I have 3 or 4 friends that have gout... Not a fun thing to have flare up and
always when you want to do/go somewhere..

A friend of mine is a waiter and several times a year his coworkers pitch in on
his tables when they see him limp in..

Hope you feel better soon, my friend..


mac

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Gout eh? Surely you haven't become one of those "TV Reverends" that
live high off the hog with excessive consumption of expensive purines
like prime ribs and lobstah, but to stay on topic ...a turner's tophus
does hurt more than a tree's burl.


Just kidding Darrell. I know gout is painful and serious and nothing to
joke about, but when a line is handed to you, you just have to take it.
Get your meds and some soft socks so you can get back to adding to your
wonderful woodturning site....

....and be careful with those church suppers. It's probably a happy
hazard of your profession, but must you sample some of _every lady's
cooking? Of course I did when I made house calls.


Turn to Safety, Arch
Fortiter


http://community.webtv.net/almcc/MacsMusings

Hi George, Nope, probably just great minds. A good forum, but I haven't
been there for many moons. Are they musing there now?


Turn to Safety, Arch
Fortiter


http://community.webtv.net/almcc/MacsMusings

Hey Arch, I thought that COC ment Crusty Old Codger. I have a few
years yet to go before I get to the Old part, but it is closer every
day.
robo hippy

On Dec 11, 10:00 am, (Arch) wrote:
Hi George, Nope, probably just great minds. A good forum, but I haven't
been there for many moons. Are they musing there now?

Turn to Safety, Arch
Fortiter

http://community.webtv.net/almcc/MacsMusings

robo hippy wrote:
Hey Arch, I thought that COC ment Crusty Old Codger. I have a few
years yet to go before I get to the Old part, but it is closer every
day.
robo hippy


Old is a state of mind robo. It's a journey, not a destination. So in
the spirit of the season we'll nominate you as this years COC. Welcome
to the club...

....Kevin
--
Kevin Miller
http://www.alaska.net/~atftb
Juneau, Alaska
Registered Linux User No: 307357

Bah! Humbug!, Chief. Robo might not want to belong to a club that
will have him, but I'll second your nomination. With all this good cheer
and fellowship, our ranks are getting thin and we can't be as selective
as before. I was wondering about nominating George and Robert, maybe
even Mac.


Turn to Safety, Arch
Fortiter


http://community.webtv.net/almcc/MacsMusings

On Dec 12, 1:49 am, (Arch) wrote:

Bah! Humbug!, Chief. Robo might not want to belong to a club that will have him

"I wouldn't belong to a club that would have me as a member"-Groucho
Marx

but I'll second your nomination.

Here, here! I third!

With all this good cheer
and fellowship, our ranks are getting thin and we can't be as selective as before. I was wondering about nominating George and Robert, maybe even Mac.

Me? What the hell did I do? ;^)

Now as far as George goes... I thought he was already a charter
member.... ;^)

Robert



Turn to Safety, Arch
Fortiter

http://community.webtv.net/almcc/MacsMusings

Thanks Mac
First time I had an attack of gout was about ten years ago and I tried for
hours to figure out how I had broken my foot. It turned out to be gout so
now I am on meds for the rest of my life. No sweat there but they once and a
while do not work. Never wish this on anyone. How did they stand this in the
old days before modern medicine? I took some powerful anti-inflamatories and
things are about normal. Thanks for the concern. I am going to try to get
some time in the shop today to see how it goes with longer standing time.

--
God bless and safe turning
Darrell Feltmate
Truro, NS Canada
http://aroundthewoods.com
http://roundopinions.blogspot.com
"mac davis" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 11 Dec 2007 16:46:30 GMT, "Darrell Feltmate"
wrote:

Sorry Art. I missed the crotchety bit. I got up at 5:00 this am with gout.
The thought of being able to turn anything sounds good right now, as long
as
I do not have to stand to do it. The meds should be ready at the drug
store.
I think I will don my boots without those constricting socks and go pick
them up.

I feel your pain, Darrell..
I have 3 or 4 friends that have gout... Not a fun thing to have flare up
and
always when you want to do/go somewhere..

A friend of mine is a waiter and several times a year his coworkers pitch
in on
his tables when they see him limp in..

Hope you feel better soon, my friend..


mac

Please remove splinters before emailing

I tell you Arch, it just ain't fair. Last year I lost 30 pounds and then put
back about 10 it so I have been on a diet and am starting to lose again. I
would not say I am fat, but the diet got me down from grossly to overly
obese. (Sigh!) This is not good for a preacher who tells people not to drink
to excess or smoke at all. So what happens in the midst of all this good
behaviour? Gout. No fancy meals or all the good stuff of the holidays. (And
can these ladies ever cook!)

On the other hand I have had some powerful meds and things are about normal
again. I remember reading Dickens and his depictions of men with poultices
on their feet suffering from gout for days on end and thank God for modern
medicine.

Now I have to learn or at least pracice how to put only a small portion on
the plate from each of the pot-luck dishes at the suppers. A preacher's life
is tough....


--
God bless and safe turning
Darrell Feltmate
Truro, NS Canada
http://aroundthewoods.com
http://roundopinions.blogspot.com
"Arch" wrote in message
...
Gout eh? Surely you haven't become one of those "TV Reverends" that
live high off the hog with excessive consumption of expensive purines
like prime ribs and lobstah, but to stay on topic ...a turner's tophus
does hurt more than a tree's burl.


Just kidding Darrell. I know gout is painful and serious and nothing to
joke about, but when a line is handed to you, you just have to take it.
Get your meds and some soft socks so you can get back to adding to your
wonderful woodturning site....

...and be careful with those church suppers. It's probably a happy
hazard of your profession, but must you sample some of _every lady's
cooking? Of course I did when I made house calls.


Turn to Safety, Arch
Fortiter


http://community.webtv.net/almcc/MacsMusings

On Tue, 11 Dec 2007 17:32:02 -0900, Kevin Miller
wrote:

robo hippy wrote:
Hey Arch, I thought that COC ment Crusty Old Codger. I have a few
years yet to go before I get to the Old part, but it is closer every
day.
robo hippy


Old is a state of mind robo. It's a journey, not a destination. So in
the spirit of the season we'll nominate you as this years COC. Welcome
to the club...

...Kevin

I was thinking more of putting Reed in for Dirty Old Man..


mac

Please remove splinters before emailing

Another quote from Groucho, "you are only as young as the women you
feel". Always did like him.
robo hippy

On Dec 12, 4:50 am, "Darrell Feltmate"
wrote:
I tell you Arch, it just ain't fair. Last year I lost 30 pounds and then put
back about 10 it so I have been on a diet and am starting to lose again. I
would not say I am fat, but the diet got me down from grossly to overly
obese. (Sigh!) This is not good for a preacher who tells people not to drink
to excess or smoke at all. So what happens in the midst of all this good
behaviour? Gout. No fancy meals or all the good stuff of the holidays. (And
can these ladies ever cook!)

On the other hand I have had some powerful meds and things are about normal
again. I remember reading Dickens and his depictions of men with poultices
on their feet suffering from gout for days on end and thank God for modern
medicine.

Now I have to learn or at least pracice how to put only a small portion on
the plate from each of the pot-luck dishes at the suppers. A preacher's life
is tough....

--
God bless and safe turning
Darrell Feltmate
Truro, NS Canadahttp://aroundthewoods.comhttp://roundopinions.blogspot.com"Arch" wrote in message

...

Gout eh? Surely you haven't become one of those "TV Reverends" that
live high off the hog with excessive consumption of expensive purines
like prime ribs and lobstah, but to stay on topic ...a turner's tophus
does hurt more than a tree's burl.

Just kidding Darrell. I know gout is painful and serious and nothing to
joke about, but when a line is handed to you, you just have to take it.
Get your meds and some soft socks so you can get back to adding to your
wonderful woodturning site....

...and be careful with those church suppers. It's probably a happy
hazard of your profession, but must you sample some of _every lady's
cooking? Of course I did when I made house calls.

Turn to Safety, Arch
Fortiter

http://community.webtv.net/almcc/MacsMusings

"Darrell Feltmate" writes:

First time I had an attack of gout was about ten years ago and I tried for
hours to figure out how I had broken my foot. It turned out to be gout so
now I am on meds for the rest of my life.

Drink lots of water. This helps.

--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com

Bruce
thanks, I know. Problem is, I like my water hot, black, and full of coffee
taste. I try to keep it under 20 cups a day.

--
God bless and safe turning
Darrell Feltmate
Truro, NS Canada
http://aroundthewoods.com
http://roundopinions.blogspot.com
"Bruce Barnett" wrote in message
...
"Darrell Feltmate" writes:

First time I had an attack of gout was about ten years ago and I tried
for
hours to figure out how I had broken my foot. It turned out to be gout so
now I am on meds for the rest of my life.

Drink lots of water. This helps.

--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com

"Darrell Feltmate" wrote in message
news:2_W7j.56587$Zn.50615@edtnps90...
Bruce
thanks, I know. Problem is, I like my water hot, black, and full of coffee
taste. I try to keep it under 20 cups a day.

"Bruce Barnett" wrote in message
...

Drink lots of water. This helps.


20 cups? You must be a lot younger than I. I am cursed with ideopathic
kidney stones, and an extra quart of liquid after 1800 along with an old
prostate gets me up twice during the night.

Which isn't a bad thing, when you consider I don't need to overstoke the
stove at night for heat in the morning. The Apache alarm clock gets me up
at intervals that allow small fires and even heat production.

We've got the younger Lutheran ladies cooking lighter now, but the older
ones knew how to load an artery pretty well. Maybe you Baptists could use
some ecumenical cross-training.

mac davis said:

"Art" has no real function except to be appreciated and is (hopefully)
priceless... I people ask "what's it for", I know it's at least approaching art...

Yet without the "nod" from a critic or two, and the name recognition
gleaned from brown-nosing "the right people", can hardly be priced as
art - unfortunately.

Am I an artist? Well, perception can become reality if you market hard
enough..lol

And therein lies the ugly truth behind modern politics, pharma, and
much of the stuff that bloats our landfills. Not to mention many
marriages. It's all about the Marketing. :-/


Greg G.

wrote:

Me? What the hell did I do? ;^)

Um, you didn't buy Arch and I a malt beverage of our choice. So, um, we
attribute it to crotchetiness. Doesn't matter that we've never met -
we're not the type to quibble over details. g

Now as far as George goes... I thought he was already a charter
member.... ;^)

Yup - could have sworn we inducted him into our ranks last year. That's
the problem with being a COC, the memory's usually worthless...

....Kevin
--
Kevin Miller
http://www.alaska.net/~atftb
Juneau, Alaska
Registered Linux User No: 307357

George
If I am right, the problem s not the ladies doing the cooking, it is the
gents doing the eating and the eating and the, well you get the picture.
Never mind how many angels can dance on the end of a pin, how many kinds of
pot-luck can you fit on a church plate?

--
God bless and safe turning
Darrell Feltmate
Truro, NS Canada
http://aroundthewoods.com
http://roundopinions.blogspot.com
"George" wrote in message
. net...

"Darrell Feltmate" wrote in message
news:2_W7j.56587$Zn.50615@edtnps90...
Bruce
thanks, I know. Problem is, I like my water hot, black, and full of
coffee taste. I try to keep it under 20 cups a day.

"Bruce Barnett" wrote in
message ...

Drink lots of water. This helps.


20 cups? You must be a lot younger than I. I am cursed with ideopathic
kidney stones, and an extra quart of liquid after 1800 along with an old
prostate gets me up twice during the night.

Which isn't a bad thing, when you consider I don't need to overstoke the
stove at night for heat in the morning. The Apache alarm clock gets me up
at intervals that allow small fires and even heat production.

We've got the younger Lutheran ladies cooking lighter now, but the older
ones knew how to load an artery pretty well. Maybe you Baptists could use
some ecumenical cross-training.

On Wed, 12 Dec 2007 21:13:09 -0500, Greg wrote:

mac davis said:

"Art" has no real function except to be appreciated and is (hopefully)
priceless... I people ask "what's it for", I know it's at least approaching art...

Yet without the "nod" from a critic or two, and the name recognition
gleaned from brown-nosing "the right people", can hardly be priced as
art - unfortunately.

A few gifts in the right places works wonders... especially to folks that have
bucks and circulate in a like crowd..

Am I an artist? Well, perception can become reality if you market hard
enough..lol

And therein lies the ugly truth behind modern politics, pharma, and
much of the stuff that bloats our landfills. Not to mention many
marriages. It's all about the Marketing. :-/

You have a problem with marketing?
If you want to sell your stuff, you sort of have to market it, right?

I'd love to just have folks lining up to buy my stuff, but it ain't gonna happen
if they don't know about it..


Greg G.


mac

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mac davis said:

On Wed, 12 Dec 2007 21:13:09 -0500, Greg wrote:

mac davis said:

Am I an artist? Well, perception can become reality if you market hard
enough..lol

And therein lies the ugly truth behind modern politics, pharma, and
much of the stuff that bloats our landfills. Not to mention many
marriages. It's all about the Marketing. :-/

You have a problem with marketing?
If you want to sell your stuff, you sort of have to market it, right?

I'd love to just have folks lining up to buy my stuff, but it ain't gonna happen
if they don't know about it..

Sorry, that was a poor attempt at humor. (Or being a social critic.)
I originally included the line: "Use the Force, Mac", but deleted it.

Yet you have to admit that much in our modern world is hyped beyond
belief, and most certainly beyond the item's true worthyness.
(Girls Gone Wild, Viagra, and Diamonds around the Holidays all come to
mind...)


Greg G.

"Darrell Feltmate" writes:

Bruce
thanks, I know. Problem is, I like my water hot, black, and full of coffee
taste. I try to keep it under 20 cups a day.

Agreed. Coffee and Alchohol effectively dehydrate you, making gout worse.
Dammmit! Why is life so cruel?!?!?!

--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com

On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 01:59:39 -0500, Greg wrote:

Sorry, that was a poor attempt at humor. (Or being a social critic.)
I originally included the line: "Use the Force, Mac", but deleted it.

never tried that, but I use the farce a lot..

Yet you have to admit that much in our modern world is hyped beyond
belief, and most certainly beyond the item's true worthyness.
(Girls Gone Wild, Viagra, and Diamonds around the Holidays all come to
mind...)

For sure.. I won't watch anything on TV unless it's recorded and we skip the
commercials..
Most of them are an insult to your intelligence and the rest are just annoying..

My pet pi eve is that they've convinced folks that they smell bad and need lots
of products to help.. and that "clean", which used to have no smell, IMO, except
maybe sun drying, is now classified as one or more of many, many scents that
make your clothes, hair, etc. smell like a perfume sampler in a department
store..


mac

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"mac davis" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 01:59:39 -0500, Greg wrote:

Sorry, that was a poor attempt at humor. (Or being a social critic.)
I originally included the line: "Use the Force, Mac", but deleted it.

never tried that, but I use the farce a lot..

Yet you have to admit that much in our modern world is hyped beyond
belief, and most certainly beyond the item's true worthyness.
(Girls Gone Wild, Viagra, and Diamonds around the Holidays all come to
mind...)

For sure.. I won't watch anything on TV unless it's recorded and we skip
the
commercials..
Most of them are an insult to your intelligence and the rest are just
annoying..

My pet pi eve is that they've convinced folks that they smell bad and need
lots
of products to help.. and that "clean", which used to have no smell, IMO,
except
maybe sun drying, is now classified as one or more of many, many scents
that
make your clothes, hair, etc. smell like a perfume sampler in a department
store..


Was pushing my granddaughter in the buggy at the store last Friday, picking
up some fabric softener. A passing female about broke up when I asked my
year-old granddaughter if we should by "Spring Fresh," "Mountain Fresh," or
"April Fresh" fabric softener. April isn't spring here, in case you
wondered.

Only thing dumber than the "enhancement" and ED commercials are the Spams in
the morning mailbox. Anybody besides me getting spammed to death, not by
male products or penny stock stuff, but by Russian sites offering New Year
tours complete with tour parties?

mac davis wrote:
On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 01:59:39 -0500, Greg wrote:

Sorry, that was a poor attempt at humor. (Or being a social critic.)
I originally included the line: "Use the Force, Mac", but deleted it.

never tried that, but I use the farce a lot..
Yet you have to admit that much in our modern world is hyped beyond
belief, and most certainly beyond the item's true worthyness.
(Girls Gone Wild, Viagra, and Diamonds around the Holidays all come to
mind...)

For sure.. I won't watch anything on TV unless it's recorded and we skip the
commercials..
Most of them are an insult to your intelligence and the rest are just annoying..

My pet pi eve is that they've convinced folks that they smell bad and need lots
of products to help.. and that "clean", which used to have no smell, IMO, except
maybe sun drying, is now classified as one or more of many, many scents that
make your clothes, hair, etc. smell like a perfume sampler in a department
store..


mac

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Don't forget all the germ fighting commercials.I am surprised that our
forefathers survived without the help of all the germ and bacteria
killers we are being bombarded with. Talk about germ warefare.

"Ralph" wrote in message
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mac davis wrote:
On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 01:59:39 -0500, Greg wrote:

Sorry, that was a poor attempt at humor. (Or being a social critic.)
I originally included the line: "Use the Force, Mac", but deleted it.

never tried that, but I use the farce a lot..
Yet you have to admit that much in our modern world is hyped beyond
belief, and most certainly beyond the item's true worthyness.
(Girls Gone Wild, Viagra, and Diamonds around the Holidays all come to
mind...)

For sure.. I won't watch anything on TV unless it's recorded and we skip
the
commercials..
Most of them are an insult to your intelligence and the rest are just
annoying..

My pet pi eve is that they've convinced folks that they smell bad and
need lots
of products to help.. and that "clean", which used to have no smell,
IMO, except
maybe sun drying, is now classified as one or more of many, many scents
that
make your clothes, hair, etc. smell like a perfume sampler in a
department
store..


mac

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Don't forget all the germ fighting commercials.I am surprised that our
forefathers survived without the help of all the germ and bacteria
killers we are being bombarded with. Talk about germ warefare.

The medical profession is starting to see the effects of this ultra clean
living. They are saying that the younger generations have very weak immune
systems because of it. Between this and obesity, the average lifespan may
start to decrease.

Watch it CW. I represent that remark. After all, overeating, eating with
dirty hands in the middle of the woods, and clearing manure piles without
bullet proof gloves or a respirator is why I died at such a young age :-)

--
God bless and safe turning
Darrell Feltmate
Truro, NS Canada
http://aroundthewoods.com
http://roundopinions.blogspot.com
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"Ralph" wrote in message
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mac davis wrote:
On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 01:59:39 -0500, Greg wrote:

Sorry, that was a poor attempt at humor. (Or being a social critic.)
I originally included the line: "Use the Force, Mac", but deleted it.

never tried that, but I use the farce a lot..
Yet you have to admit that much in our modern world is hyped beyond
belief, and most certainly beyond the item's true worthyness.
(Girls Gone Wild, Viagra, and Diamonds around the Holidays all come to
mind...)

For sure.. I won't watch anything on TV unless it's recorded and we
skip
the
commercials..
Most of them are an insult to your intelligence and the rest are just
annoying..

My pet pi eve is that they've convinced folks that they smell bad and
need lots
of products to help.. and that "clean", which used to have no smell,
IMO, except
maybe sun drying, is now classified as one or more of many, many scents
that
make your clothes, hair, etc. smell like a perfume sampler in a
department
store..


mac

Please remove splinters before emailing


Don't forget all the germ fighting commercials.I am surprised that our
forefathers survived without the help of all the germ and bacteria
killers we are being bombarded with. Talk about germ warefare.

The medical profession is starting to see the effects of this ultra clean
living. They are saying that the younger generations have very weak immune
systems because of it. Between this and obesity, the average lifespan may
start to decrease.

mac davis said:

On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 01:59:39 -0500, Greg wrote:

Sorry, that was a poor attempt at humor. (Or being a social critic.)
I originally included the line: "Use the Force, Mac", but deleted it.

never tried that, but I use the farce a lot..

Same here.

Yet you have to admit that much in our modern world is hyped beyond
belief, and most certainly beyond the item's true worthyness.
(Girls Gone Wild, Viagra, and Diamonds around the Holidays all come to
mind...)

For sure.. I won't watch anything on TV unless it's recorded and we skip the
commercials..
Most of them are an insult to your intelligence and the rest are just annoying..

My pet pi eve is that they've convinced folks that they smell bad and need lots
of products to help.. and that "clean", which used to have no smell, IMO, except
maybe sun drying, is now classified as one or more of many, many scents that
make your clothes, hair, etc. smell like a perfume sampler in a department
store..

I absolutely HATE the artificial scents that exude from various
chemical labs. I like my women naturally clean. ;-)
Vanilla and Old Spice are about my limits.

How about that idiotic FreeBreeze commercial that has people smelling
the carpets and chair seats. How stupid do they think we are?
(Yeah, that's a rhetorical question.)
Last time I saw anything like that, some putz at a party had spilled
his eight ball on the floor.


Greg G.

George said:

Only thing dumber than the "enhancement" and ED commercials are the Spams in
the morning mailbox. Anybody besides me getting spammed to death, not by
male products or penny stock stuff, but by Russian sites offering New Year
tours complete with tour parties?

Viagra, Eastern European Brides and Nigerian scams here.


Greg G.

Ralph said:

Don't forget all the germ fighting commercials.I am surprised that our
forefathers survived without the help of all the germ and bacteria
killers we are being bombarded with. Talk about germ warefare.

Apparently, these products are actually helping to adapt new "super
bugs" that are resistant to ordinary antibacterial agents. Kinda like
the people who don't take their entire script of antibiotics because
they feel better. You know the old saying, what doesn't kill you makes
you stronger.


Greg G.

CW said:

Don't forget all the germ fighting commercials.I am surprised that our
forefathers survived without the help of all the germ and bacteria
killers we are being bombarded with. Talk about germ warefare.

The medical profession is starting to see the effects of this ultra clean
living. They are saying that the younger generations have very weak immune
systems because of it. Between this and obesity, the average lifespan may
start to decrease.

Modern science saves us, only to be done in by Ray Kroc and Clorox.


Greg G.

Darrell Feltmate said:

Watch it CW. I represent that remark. After all, overeating, eating with
dirty hands in the middle of the woods, and clearing manure piles without
bullet proof gloves or a respirator is why I died at such a young age :-)

Same here. My body is just too stubborn to de-animate.
Asbestos from 60s era brakes and clutches, lead and rosin fumes,
nitrocellulose lacquer, carbon tetrachloride, cigs, sanding dust from
32 different native and tropical woods, and the air in Atlanta.
I died 20 years ago...


Greg G.

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"Ralph" wrote in message
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mac davis wrote:
On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 01:59:39 -0500, Greg wrote:

Sorry, that was a poor attempt at humor. (Or being a social
critic.) I originally included the line: "Use the Force, Mac", but
deleted it.

never tried that, but I use the farce a lot..
Yet you have to admit that much in our modern world is hyped
beyond belief, and most certainly beyond the item's true
worthyness. (Girls Gone Wild, Viagra, and Diamonds around the
Holidays all come to mind...)

For sure.. I won't watch anything on TV unless it's recorded and we
skip
the
commercials..
Most of them are an insult to your intelligence and the rest are
Don't forget all the germ fighting commercials.I am surprised that
our forefathers survived without the help of all the germ and
bacteria killers we are being bombarded with. Talk about germ
warefare.

The medical profession is starting to see the effects of this ultra
clean living. They are saying that the younger generations have very
weak immune systems because of it. Between this and obesity, the
average lifespan may start to decrease.



Gee I hope not. Well not in the next 40 or 50 years at least.
Hank

On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 20:13:27 GMT, Ralph wrote:

mac davis wrote:
On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 01:59:39 -0500, Greg wrote:

Sorry, that was a poor attempt at humor. (Or being a social critic.)
I originally included the line: "Use the Force, Mac", but deleted it.

never tried that, but I use the farce a lot..
Yet you have to admit that much in our modern world is hyped beyond
belief, and most certainly beyond the item's true worthyness.
(Girls Gone Wild, Viagra, and Diamonds around the Holidays all come to
mind...)

For sure.. I won't watch anything on TV unless it's recorded and we skip the
commercials..
Most of them are an insult to your intelligence and the rest are just annoying..

My pet pi eve is that they've convinced folks that they smell bad and need lots
of products to help.. and that "clean", which used to have no smell, IMO, except
maybe sun drying, is now classified as one or more of many, many scents that
make your clothes, hair, etc. smell like a perfume sampler in a department
store..


mac

Don't forget all the germ fighting commercials.I am surprised that our
forefathers survived without the help of all the germ and bacteria
killers we are being bombarded with. Talk about germ warefare.

yep.. and the bad part is from what I understand, there isn't enough
anti-bacterial agent in any of them to do you any good..
OTOH, I worry about the massive doses of even mild anti-bacterial crap that
we're flushing into the environment..


mac

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On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 18:02:59 -0500, Greg wrote:

Ralph said:

Don't forget all the germ fighting commercials.I am surprised that our
forefathers survived without the help of all the germ and bacteria
killers we are being bombarded with. Talk about germ warefare.

Apparently, these products are actually helping to adapt new "super
bugs" that are resistant to ordinary antibacterial agents. Kinda like
the people who don't take their entire script of antibiotics because
they feel better. You know the old saying, what doesn't kill you makes
you stronger.


Greg G.

I used to say that....
Now, a lot older and a little wiser, I say that "what doesn't kill you makes you
really tired"..


mac

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On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 17:58:40 -0500, Greg wrote:

mac davis said:

On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 01:59:39 -0500, Greg wrote:


I absolutely HATE the artificial scents that exude from various
chemical labs. I like my women naturally clean. ;-)
Vanilla and Old Spice are about my limits.

How about that idiotic FreeBreeze commercial that has people smelling
the carpets and chair seats. How stupid do they think we are?
(Yeah, that's a rhetorical question.)
Last time I saw anything like that, some putz at a party had spilled
his eight ball on the floor.


Greg G.

The scary thing is that so many people buy into it..
A real perk of moving to Mexico is that my wife line drys the laundry now... no
friggin' fabric softener perfume...


mac

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I believe the saying is "Whatever does not kill you merely delays the
inevitable."

--
God bless and safe turning
Darrell Feltmate
Truro, NS Canada
http://aroundthewoods.com
http://roundopinions.blogspot.com
"mac davis" wrote in message
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On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 18:02:59 -0500, Greg wrote:

Ralph said:

Don't forget all the germ fighting commercials.I am surprised that our
forefathers survived without the help of all the germ and bacteria
killers we are being bombarded with. Talk about germ warefare.

Apparently, these products are actually helping to adapt new "super
bugs" that are resistant to ordinary antibacterial agents. Kinda like
the people who don't take their entire script of antibiotics because
they feel better. You know the old saying, what doesn't kill you makes
you stronger.


Greg G.

I used to say that....
Now, a lot older and a little wiser, I say that "what doesn't kill you
makes you
really tired"..


mac

Please remove splinters before emailing

mac davis said:

On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 18:02:59 -0500, Greg wrote:

Ralph said:

Don't forget all the germ fighting commercials.I am surprised that our
forefathers survived without the help of all the germ and bacteria
killers we are being bombarded with. Talk about germ warefare.

Apparently, these products are actually helping to adapt new "super
bugs" that are resistant to ordinary antibacterial agents. Kinda like
the people who don't take their entire script of antibiotics because
they feel better. You know the old saying, what doesn't kill you makes
you stronger.

I used to say that....
Now, a lot older and a little wiser, I say that "what doesn't kill you makes you
really tired"..

Well that explains the last six months.
I seem to be succumbing to narcolepsy these days.


Greg G.