Painting a wooden bowl turned on a lathe and terming the effort 'Turning
Wood' is sort of like painting a sunset on a canvas and calling the
effort 'Weaving Cloth'.


A good turner who knows nothing about the craft is sort of like a good
driver who knows nothing about internal combustion engines. Do both need
to know engineering, physics, topology, golden entangles and Canuck
curves? "It ain't necessarily so."


What vast turning knowledge? A turner's inspiration has more to do with
breathing in than with divine influence. A Chimp doesn't need to drink
deep from some Pierian Spring. He just needs to secure a balanced blank,
stay on his side of the toolrest, rub the bevel, lead the flute, lag the
scraper and reduce the speed when the lathe starts to shake. It's very
likely that the chimp will turn something that knowledgeable turners
will critique ad nauseum, while some layman is buying it.


Most successful businesses make things that the public either wants or
needs and can afford. Some woodturners seek success by turning things
that they themselves want and don't need on a lathe they can't afford.


Just because a piece is useless doesn't make it fine art and calling it
art doesn't make it so. When an ignoramus reveals his ignorance by
making fun of a work of art, it diminishes him not the work.


It's not timber, tools nor shop. _ITTS _ "It's The Turner Stupid".
It's the turner that does the turning, not the equipment.

Did I get up on the wrong side of the bed this morning and have a cold
breakast? You think? Naw! I'm just a crotchety ole coot, a COC in
turner's clothing.


Turn to Safety, Arch
Fortiter


http://community.webtv.net/almcc/MacsMusings

Sorry Art. I missed the crotchety bit. I got up at 5:00 this am with gout.
The thought of being able to turn anything sounds good right now, as long as
I do not have to stand to do it. The meds should be ready at the drug store.
I think I will don my boots without those constricting socks and go pick
them up.

--
God bless and safe turning
Darrell Feltmate
Truro, NS Canada
http://aroundthewoods.com
http://roundopinions.blogspot.com
"Arch" wrote in message
...
Painting a wooden bowl turned on a lathe and terming the effort 'Turning
Wood' is sort of like painting a sunset on a canvas and calling the
effort 'Weaving Cloth'.


A good turner who knows nothing about the craft is sort of like a good
driver who knows nothing about internal combustion engines. Do both need
to know engineering, physics, topology, golden entangles and Canuck
curves? "It ain't necessarily so."


What vast turning knowledge? A turner's inspiration has more to do with
breathing in than with divine influence. A Chimp doesn't need to drink
deep from some Pierian Spring. He just needs to secure a balanced blank,
stay on his side of the toolrest, rub the bevel, lead the flute, lag the
scraper and reduce the speed when the lathe starts to shake. It's very
likely that the chimp will turn something that knowledgeable turners
will critique ad nauseum, while some layman is buying it.


Most successful businesses make things that the public either wants or
needs and can afford. Some woodturners seek success by turning things
that they themselves want and don't need on a lathe they can't afford.


Just because a piece is useless doesn't make it fine art and calling it
art doesn't make it so. When an ignoramus reveals his ignorance by
making fun of a work of art, it diminishes him not the work.


It's not timber, tools nor shop. _ITTS _ "It's The Turner Stupid".
It's the turner that does the turning, not the equipment.

Did I get up on the wrong side of the bed this morning and have a cold
breakast? You think? Naw! I'm just a crotchety ole coot, a COC in
turner's clothing.


Turn to Safety, Arch
Fortiter


http://community.webtv.net/almcc/MacsMusings

On Tue, 11 Dec 2007 16:46:30 GMT, "Darrell Feltmate"
wrote:

Sorry Art. I missed the crotchety bit. I got up at 5:00 this am with gout.
The thought of being able to turn anything sounds good right now, as long as
I do not have to stand to do it. The meds should be ready at the drug store.
I think I will don my boots without those constricting socks and go pick
them up.

I feel your pain, Darrell..
I have 3 or 4 friends that have gout... Not a fun thing to have flare up and
always when you want to do/go somewhere..

A friend of mine is a waiter and several times a year his coworkers pitch in on
his tables when they see him limp in..

Hope you feel better soon, my friend..


mac

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Thanks Mac
First time I had an attack of gout was about ten years ago and I tried for
hours to figure out how I had broken my foot. It turned out to be gout so
now I am on meds for the rest of my life. No sweat there but they once and a
while do not work. Never wish this on anyone. How did they stand this in the
old days before modern medicine? I took some powerful anti-inflamatories and
things are about normal. Thanks for the concern. I am going to try to get
some time in the shop today to see how it goes with longer standing time.

--
God bless and safe turning
Darrell Feltmate
Truro, NS Canada
http://aroundthewoods.com
http://roundopinions.blogspot.com
"mac davis" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 11 Dec 2007 16:46:30 GMT, "Darrell Feltmate"
wrote:

Sorry Art. I missed the crotchety bit. I got up at 5:00 this am with gout.
The thought of being able to turn anything sounds good right now, as long
as
I do not have to stand to do it. The meds should be ready at the drug
store.
I think I will don my boots without those constricting socks and go pick
them up.

I feel your pain, Darrell..
I have 3 or 4 friends that have gout... Not a fun thing to have flare up
and
always when you want to do/go somewhere..

A friend of mine is a waiter and several times a year his coworkers pitch
in on
his tables when they see him limp in..

Hope you feel better soon, my friend..


mac

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"Darrell Feltmate" writes:

First time I had an attack of gout was about ten years ago and I tried for
hours to figure out how I had broken my foot. It turned out to be gout so
now I am on meds for the rest of my life.

Drink lots of water. This helps.

--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com

Bruce
thanks, I know. Problem is, I like my water hot, black, and full of coffee
taste. I try to keep it under 20 cups a day.

--
God bless and safe turning
Darrell Feltmate
Truro, NS Canada
http://aroundthewoods.com
http://roundopinions.blogspot.com
"Bruce Barnett" wrote in message
...
"Darrell Feltmate" writes:

First time I had an attack of gout was about ten years ago and I tried
for
hours to figure out how I had broken my foot. It turned out to be gout so
now I am on meds for the rest of my life.

Drink lots of water. This helps.

--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com

Gout eh? Surely you haven't become one of those "TV Reverends" that
live high off the hog with excessive consumption of expensive purines
like prime ribs and lobstah, but to stay on topic ...a turner's tophus
does hurt more than a tree's burl.


Just kidding Darrell. I know gout is painful and serious and nothing to
joke about, but when a line is handed to you, you just have to take it.
Get your meds and some soft socks so you can get back to adding to your
wonderful woodturning site....

....and be careful with those church suppers. It's probably a happy
hazard of your profession, but must you sample some of _every lady's
cooking? Of course I did when I made house calls.


Turn to Safety, Arch
Fortiter


http://community.webtv.net/almcc/MacsMusings

I tell you Arch, it just ain't fair. Last year I lost 30 pounds and then put
back about 10 it so I have been on a diet and am starting to lose again. I
would not say I am fat, but the diet got me down from grossly to overly
obese. (Sigh!) This is not good for a preacher who tells people not to drink
to excess or smoke at all. So what happens in the midst of all this good
behaviour? Gout. No fancy meals or all the good stuff of the holidays. (And
can these ladies ever cook!)

On the other hand I have had some powerful meds and things are about normal
again. I remember reading Dickens and his depictions of men with poultices
on their feet suffering from gout for days on end and thank God for modern
medicine.

Now I have to learn or at least pracice how to put only a small portion on
the plate from each of the pot-luck dishes at the suppers. A preacher's life
is tough....


--
God bless and safe turning
Darrell Feltmate
Truro, NS Canada
http://aroundthewoods.com
http://roundopinions.blogspot.com
"Arch" wrote in message
...
Gout eh? Surely you haven't become one of those "TV Reverends" that
live high off the hog with excessive consumption of expensive purines
like prime ribs and lobstah, but to stay on topic ...a turner's tophus
does hurt more than a tree's burl.


Just kidding Darrell. I know gout is painful and serious and nothing to
joke about, but when a line is handed to you, you just have to take it.
Get your meds and some soft socks so you can get back to adding to your
wonderful woodturning site....

...and be careful with those church suppers. It's probably a happy
hazard of your profession, but must you sample some of _every lady's
cooking? Of course I did when I made house calls.


Turn to Safety, Arch
Fortiter


http://community.webtv.net/almcc/MacsMusings

Another quote from Groucho, "you are only as young as the women you
feel". Always did like him.
robo hippy

On Dec 12, 4:50 am, "Darrell Feltmate"
wrote:
I tell you Arch, it just ain't fair. Last year I lost 30 pounds and then put
back about 10 it so I have been on a diet and am starting to lose again. I
would not say I am fat, but the diet got me down from grossly to overly
obese. (Sigh!) This is not good for a preacher who tells people not to drink
to excess or smoke at all. So what happens in the midst of all this good
behaviour? Gout. No fancy meals or all the good stuff of the holidays. (And
can these ladies ever cook!)

On the other hand I have had some powerful meds and things are about normal
again. I remember reading Dickens and his depictions of men with poultices
on their feet suffering from gout for days on end and thank God for modern
medicine.

Now I have to learn or at least pracice how to put only a small portion on
the plate from each of the pot-luck dishes at the suppers. A preacher's life
is tough....

--
God bless and safe turning
Darrell Feltmate
Truro, NS Canadahttp://aroundthewoods.comhttp://roundopinions.blogspot.com"Arch" wrote in message

...

Gout eh? Surely you haven't become one of those "TV Reverends" that
live high off the hog with excessive consumption of expensive purines
like prime ribs and lobstah, but to stay on topic ...a turner's tophus
does hurt more than a tree's burl.

Just kidding Darrell. I know gout is painful and serious and nothing to
joke about, but when a line is handed to you, you just have to take it.
Get your meds and some soft socks so you can get back to adding to your
wonderful woodturning site....

...and be careful with those church suppers. It's probably a happy
hazard of your profession, but must you sample some of _every lady's
cooking? Of course I did when I made house calls.

Turn to Safety, Arch
Fortiter

http://community.webtv.net/almcc/MacsMusings

robo hippy wrote:
Another quote from Groucho, "you are only as young as the women you
feel". Always did like him.
robo hippy

Sure glad I married a gal 6 years my junior - I'm much younger than I
thought!


....Kevin
--
Kevin Miller
http://www.alaska.net/~atftb
Juneau, Alaska
Registered Linux User No: 307357

"Arch" wrote in message
...
Painting a wooden bowl turned on a lathe and terming the effort 'Turning
Wood' is sort of like painting a sunset on a canvas and calling the
effort 'Weaving Cloth'.


A good turner who knows nothing about the craft is sort of like a good
driver who knows nothing about internal combustion engines. Do both need
to know engineering, physics, topology, golden entangles and Canuck
curves? "It ain't necessarily so."


What vast turning knowledge? A turner's inspiration has more to do with
breathing in than with divine influence. A Chimp doesn't need to drink
deep from some Pierian Spring. He just needs to secure a balanced blank,
stay on his side of the toolrest, rub the bevel, lead the flute, lag the
scraper and reduce the speed when the lathe starts to shake. It's very
likely that the chimp will turn something that knowledgeable turners
will critique ad nauseum, while some layman is buying it.


Most successful businesses make things that the public either wants or
needs and can afford. Some woodturners seek success by turning things
that they themselves want and don't need on a lathe they can't afford.


Just because a piece is useless doesn't make it fine art and calling it
art doesn't make it so. When an ignoramus reveals his ignorance by
making fun of a work of art, it diminishes him not the work.


It's not timber, tools nor shop. _ITTS _ "It's The Turner Stupid".
It's the turner that does the turning, not the equipment.

Did I get up on the wrong side of the bed this morning and have a cold
breakast? You think? Naw! I'm just a crotchety ole coot, a COC in
turner's clothing.

Been browsing the WoW site again, have we?

Hi George, Nope, probably just great minds. A good forum, but I haven't
been there for many moons. Are they musing there now?


Turn to Safety, Arch
Fortiter


http://community.webtv.net/almcc/MacsMusings

Hey Arch, I thought that COC ment Crusty Old Codger. I have a few
years yet to go before I get to the Old part, but it is closer every
day.
robo hippy

On Dec 11, 10:00 am, (Arch) wrote:
Hi George, Nope, probably just great minds. A good forum, but I haven't
been there for many moons. Are they musing there now?

Turn to Safety, Arch
Fortiter

http://community.webtv.net/almcc/MacsMusings

robo hippy wrote:
Hey Arch, I thought that COC ment Crusty Old Codger. I have a few
years yet to go before I get to the Old part, but it is closer every
day.
robo hippy


Old is a state of mind robo. It's a journey, not a destination. So in
the spirit of the season we'll nominate you as this years COC. Welcome
to the club...

....Kevin
--
Kevin Miller
http://www.alaska.net/~atftb
Juneau, Alaska
Registered Linux User No: 307357

Bah! Humbug!, Chief. Robo might not want to belong to a club that
will have him, but I'll second your nomination. With all this good cheer
and fellowship, our ranks are getting thin and we can't be as selective
as before. I was wondering about nominating George and Robert, maybe
even Mac.


Turn to Safety, Arch
Fortiter


http://community.webtv.net/almcc/MacsMusings

On Tue, 11 Dec 2007 17:32:02 -0900, Kevin Miller
wrote:

robo hippy wrote:
Hey Arch, I thought that COC ment Crusty Old Codger. I have a few
years yet to go before I get to the Old part, but it is closer every
day.
robo hippy


Old is a state of mind robo. It's a journey, not a destination. So in
the spirit of the season we'll nominate you as this years COC. Welcome
to the club...

...Kevin

I was thinking more of putting Reed in for Dirty Old Man..


mac

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On Tue, 11 Dec 2007 11:23:46 -0500, (Arch) wrote:

Painting a wooden bowl turned on a lathe and terming the effort 'Turning
Wood' is sort of like painting a sunset on a canvas and calling the
effort 'Weaving Cloth'.

more like turning stomachs?

A good turner who knows nothing about the craft is sort of like a good
driver who knows nothing about internal combustion engines. Do both need
to know engineering, physics, topology, golden entangles and Canuck
curves? "It ain't necessarily so."

You don't need to know how an engine works to drive, but I've always felt that
if you KNOW what's happening mechanically when you press the accelerator, gas &
clutch, you have a much better chance of becoming a better driver who limits
abuse of the machinery..

What vast turning knowledge? A turner's inspiration has more to do with
breathing in than with divine influence. A Chimp doesn't need to drink
deep from some Pierian Spring. He just needs to secure a balanced blank,
stay on his side of the toolrest, rub the bevel, lead the flute, lag the
scraper and reduce the speed when the lathe starts to shake. It's very
likely that the chimp will turn something that knowledgeable turners
will critique ad nauseum, while some layman is buying it.

Well, my half-vast knowledge tells me that there's a lot more to it than that,
and your work shows that you do to.. ;-]
Like anything else, the better educated and skilled you are at something, the
easier it seems.. and the harder it is to understand why everyone can't do as it
well..

Most successful businesses make things that the public either wants or
needs and can afford. Some woodturners seek success by turning things
that they themselves want and don't need on a lathe they can't afford.

Those are collectors, Arch, not sellers...
I used to be like that and hardly sold a thing... Then, I realized that if all I
made were things that I liked and wanted, I was cutting out most of my market..
Luckily, weird sells well, usually as art, so my stuff is popular.. *eg*

Just because a piece is useless doesn't make it fine art and calling it
art doesn't make it so. When an ignoramus reveals his ignorance by
making fun of a work of art, it diminishes him not the work.

Gotta disagree, Arch.. Utility stuff is for use and sells well but for little
profit..
"Art" has no real function except to be appreciated and is (hopefully)
priceless...
I people ask "what's it for", I know it's at least approaching art...
Am I an artist? Well, perception can become reality if you market hard
enough..lol

It's not timber, tools nor shop. _ITTS _ "It's The Turner Stupid".
It's the turner that does the turning, not the equipment.

Ahh.. but the lathe does the "turning"... We just visualize something and shape
it as the wood goes by, right?
If we weren't using a machine to spin the wood, we'd be carvers, not turners..

Did I get up on the wrong side of the bed this morning and have a cold
breakast? You think? Naw! I'm just a crotchety ole coot, a COC in
turner's clothing.

You wearing one of those turner's smock things, Arch???



mac

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mac davis said:

"Art" has no real function except to be appreciated and is (hopefully)
priceless... I people ask "what's it for", I know it's at least approaching art...

Yet without the "nod" from a critic or two, and the name recognition
gleaned from brown-nosing "the right people", can hardly be priced as
art - unfortunately.

Am I an artist? Well, perception can become reality if you market hard
enough..lol

And therein lies the ugly truth behind modern politics, pharma, and
much of the stuff that bloats our landfills. Not to mention many
marriages. It's all about the Marketing. :-/


Greg G.

On Wed, 12 Dec 2007 21:13:09 -0500, Greg wrote:

mac davis said:

"Art" has no real function except to be appreciated and is (hopefully)
priceless... I people ask "what's it for", I know it's at least approaching art...

Yet without the "nod" from a critic or two, and the name recognition
gleaned from brown-nosing "the right people", can hardly be priced as
art - unfortunately.

A few gifts in the right places works wonders... especially to folks that have
bucks and circulate in a like crowd..

Am I an artist? Well, perception can become reality if you market hard
enough..lol

And therein lies the ugly truth behind modern politics, pharma, and
much of the stuff that bloats our landfills. Not to mention many
marriages. It's all about the Marketing. :-/

You have a problem with marketing?
If you want to sell your stuff, you sort of have to market it, right?

I'd love to just have folks lining up to buy my stuff, but it ain't gonna happen
if they don't know about it..


Greg G.


mac

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mac davis said:

On Wed, 12 Dec 2007 21:13:09 -0500, Greg wrote:

mac davis said:

Am I an artist? Well, perception can become reality if you market hard
enough..lol

And therein lies the ugly truth behind modern politics, pharma, and
much of the stuff that bloats our landfills. Not to mention many
marriages. It's all about the Marketing. :-/

You have a problem with marketing?
If you want to sell your stuff, you sort of have to market it, right?

I'd love to just have folks lining up to buy my stuff, but it ain't gonna happen
if they don't know about it..

Sorry, that was a poor attempt at humor. (Or being a social critic.)
I originally included the line: "Use the Force, Mac", but deleted it.

Yet you have to admit that much in our modern world is hyped beyond
belief, and most certainly beyond the item's true worthyness.
(Girls Gone Wild, Viagra, and Diamonds around the Holidays all come to
mind...)


Greg G.

On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 01:59:39 -0500, Greg wrote:

Sorry, that was a poor attempt at humor. (Or being a social critic.)
I originally included the line: "Use the Force, Mac", but deleted it.

never tried that, but I use the farce a lot..

Yet you have to admit that much in our modern world is hyped beyond
belief, and most certainly beyond the item's true worthyness.
(Girls Gone Wild, Viagra, and Diamonds around the Holidays all come to
mind...)

For sure.. I won't watch anything on TV unless it's recorded and we skip the
commercials..
Most of them are an insult to your intelligence and the rest are just annoying..

My pet pi eve is that they've convinced folks that they smell bad and need lots
of products to help.. and that "clean", which used to have no smell, IMO, except
maybe sun drying, is now classified as one or more of many, many scents that
make your clothes, hair, etc. smell like a perfume sampler in a department
store..


mac

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