On Thu, 4 Nov 2004 23:35:57 -0000, "Owain"
wrote:

"Andy Hall" wrote
| Welcome to my place Mary ;-)
| I've been angling for that invitation for ages :-)
| You took the bait then - I knew he'd have you hooked eventually

If you drink his German wine you'll have had 'ock.


Only if you're a master baiter.......




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MBQ wrote:
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Mary Fisher wrote:


However I'm not at all sure of the relative energy costs of producing
paper and plastic bags. My gut feeling is that paper uses a fair
amount of energy (evaporating water and such) and paper bags might
well be more energy costly to produce. However plastic bags probably
use more unreplaceable resources (oil in particular).

But if the paper bag takes more energy to produce and that energy came
from oil then your probably still better with a plastic bag?

Er, isn't that what I was saying? Or were you replying to a post
above mine? Ah, no, I see you were commenting on my last sentence,
yes, I quite agree.


Regardless, plastic bags are a litter nightmare as they 'never' degrade
(At least not in my lifetime, nor yours).
They haven't been freely been given out in German supermarkets for many
years.
Charging for them, as they do in Ireland, has resulted in a huge drop in
their usage. People adapted very quickly to carrying their own re-usable
cloth bag, usually supplied cheaply by the supermarkets.

If only steps were made to reduce the amount of packaging used. Out of
curiosity we once removed all the packaging from a weekly shop and the
results were amazing. The pile of products were dwarfed by the pile of
packaging materials.

--
Paul Mc Cann

On Thu, 4 Nov 2004 21:21:20 -0000, "James Hart"
wrote:



If they are collecting cardboard to actually 'get' carboard to recycle
then they could fill their truck in one go by visiting my two mates
... less wages, less fuel, better return? Don't suppose they are
though .. just another form of lip service to ecology .. ;-(

All the best ..

A care home near me has the same problem, there was a bit in the paper a few
weeks back, nice picture of unhappy looking chap holding an empty box with a
pile of newspapers next to him.
He generates a lot of waste paper, empty milk cartons etc in a week (all the
stuff the council want to meet their targets) and wondered why the recycling
box wasn't being emptied, the operatives told him that it was trade waste
and couldn't be collected. He argued his case with the council and was told
that rules are rules and the perfectly good recyclable stuff from the home
has to go to landfill.

How stupid .. ;-(

My brother in law is a builder and so are his sons.

One of the sons put up a new paneled fence and took the old one to the
tip on the little tipper truck, where he was promptly refused.

Them: This is commercial waste

Him: This is MY fence from MY house and this is MY tip

Them: You cant dump it here, its's commercial waste.

Him: Ok, this is a tipper. Either you let me put it all in the skip or
I'll just tip it on the floor and you can go what you like with it.

Them: I'll take your reg number and call the police:

Him: I'll *give* you my address and phone number if you wan't reaches
for 'Raise' button on tipper

Them: Ok, put it in the skip, but only this time .....

What should he have done .. load all the stuff onto the roof of his
car, when he has a nice truck sitting there? What if you hire a van to
take your stuff to the tip .. you are in a commercial vehicle?

Ok, realistically how would they know that this was his own domestic
waste .. difficult .. but if they get too ancy, some of this stuff
will just end up on the side of the road, costing the local Council
even more to collect?

All the best ..

T i m

On Fri, 05 Nov 2004 00:33:10 +0000, Andy Hall
wrote:

On Thu, 4 Nov 2004 23:35:57 -0000, "Owain"
wrote:

"Andy Hall" wrote
| Welcome to my place Mary ;-)
| I've been angling for that invitation for ages :-)
| You took the bait then - I knew he'd have you hooked eventually

If you drink his German wine you'll have had 'ock.


Only if you're a master baiter.......

Oh no .. here we go again .. ;-)

T i m

"T i m" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 4 Nov 2004 21:21:20 -0000, "James Hart"
wrote:



If they are collecting cardboard to actually 'get' carboard to recycle
then they could fill their truck in one go by visiting my two mates
... less wages, less fuel, better return? Don't suppose they are
though .. just another form of lip service to ecology .. ;-(

All the best ..

A care home near me has the same problem, there was a bit in the paper a
few
weeks back, nice picture of unhappy looking chap holding an empty box with
a
pile of newspapers next to him.
He generates a lot of waste paper, empty milk cartons etc in a week (all
the
stuff the council want to meet their targets) and wondered why the
recycling
box wasn't being emptied, the operatives told him that it was trade waste
and couldn't be collected. He argued his case with the council and was
told
that rules are rules and the perfectly good recyclable stuff from the home
has to go to landfill.

How stupid .. ;-(

My brother in law is a builder and so are his sons.

One of the sons put up a new paneled fence and took the old one to the
tip on the little tipper truck, where he was promptly refused.

Them: This is commercial waste

Him: This is MY fence from MY house and this is MY tip

Them: You cant dump it here, its's commercial waste.

Him: Ok, this is a tipper. Either you let me put it all in the skip or
I'll just tip it on the floor and you can go what you like with it.

Them: I'll take your reg number and call the police:

Him: I'll *give* you my address and phone number if you wan't reaches
for 'Raise' button on tipper

Them: Ok, put it in the skip, but only this time .....

What should he have done .. load all the stuff onto the roof of his
car, when he has a nice truck sitting there? What if you hire a van to
take your stuff to the tip .. you are in a commercial vehicle?

Ok, realistically how would they know that this was his own domestic
waste .. difficult .. but if they get too ancy, some of this stuff
will just end up on the side of the road, costing the local Council
even more to collect?

All the best ..

Son has had exactly the same experience while restoring his 'new' house.
None of the waste could be carried on his scooter so he used the firm's van
and has had no end of arguments. No tipper, sadly, it's a posh new but large
van - with the firm's name (not a builder) on the side. If there had been a
tipper I'm sure his reaction would have been the same as yours.

Mary

T i m

"Owain" wrote in message
...
"Andy Hall" wrote
| Welcome to my place Mary ;-)
| I've been angling for that invitation for ages :-)
| You took the bait then - I knew he'd have you hooked eventually

If you drink his German wine you'll have had 'ock.

I wouldn't drink German wine unless it was sent cod.

Owain

"Paul Mc Cann" wrote in message
.. .


Regardless, plastic bags are a litter nightmare as they 'never' degrade
(At least not in my lifetime, nor yours).

In fairness, some do, they're specially designed so to do.

When you pull them from the bag of carriers you seem to acquire whether you
want them or not and keep for putting rubbish in you find them full of holes
... :-(

Mary

On Thu, 04 Nov 2004 22:00:51 GMT, raden wrote:

In message , T i m

Oh, and why our house / loft / garage is full of handy stuff I can't
throw away .. ;-(

Now you come and explain that to my wife

Erm .. I think I'll pass on that one if you don't mind Geoff!

Ok, so you need some plasterboard so you go buy an 8 x 4 sheet and use
say half of it. You are now left with a 4 x 4 sheet of brand new,
unused pasterboard 'spare'. I would find it very difficult to just
throw it away because:

I might need it
It's new
It would be a shame
It will add to our landfill problem
It cost me

I would happily give it away but just can't throw it away (well I do
in the end of course..)

So, the loft is full of boxes containing things like ETI mags (I still
need to make a wiper delay for the 78 based kit car), empty boxes for
goods that I might sell (makes it easier to sell safer to pack / post
etc), radio control planes / boats, Star Wars figures collection etc
etc.

It does amaze me when I see these shows on TV where they take a 'lived
in' house and turn it into a show house. It's ok if you just like to
entertain or go on holidays in Spain where you lay on the beach for
two weeks but what if you actually *do* stuff? When they hit these
houses on the TV you see all their everyday posessions going into
carboard boxes then into the loft / storage etc .. what uses is that
(apart from to sell the house that is)?

To *do* things, you often heed 'kit', be it sports or DIY and this kit
needs storing .. if the whole family do this then you need a familys
worth of kit and where does it all go?

We enjoy (as a family) archery, power kites, cycling, camping,
motorcycling, RC sailing boats / cars, PC's, crafts, boating etc but
only live in a 3 bed Victorian end-of-terrace house (and don't want /
cant afford to move). That's not including the tools needed to DIY
('never a lender or bororrer be') most of which are in the 20' x 10'
garage / workshop / store.

So, this means that we don't have a show house but a place to live /
sleep that reflects that we like to do 'things' .. ?

All the best ..

T i m

Currently shuttling between home and the charity shop .. (*mostly*
taking stuff *from* the house ..) ;-)

"T i m" wrote in message
news
On Thu, 04 Nov 2004 22:00:51 GMT, raden wrote:

In message , T i m

Oh, and why our house / loft / garage is full of handy stuff I can't
throw away .. ;-(

Now you come and explain that to my wife

Erm .. I think I'll pass on that one if you don't mind Geoff!

Ok, so you need some plasterboard so you go buy an 8 x 4 sheet and use
say half of it. You are now left with a 4 x 4 sheet of brand new,
unused pasterboard 'spare'. I would find it very difficult to just
throw it away because:

I might need it
It's new
It would be a shame
It will add to our landfill problem
It cost me

I would happily give it away but just can't throw it away (well I do
in the end of course..)

So, the loft is full of boxes containing things like ETI mags (I still
need to make a wiper delay for the 78 based kit car), empty boxes for
goods that I might sell (makes it easier to sell safer to pack / post
etc), radio control planes / boats, Star Wars figures collection etc
etc.

It does amaze me when I see these shows on TV where they take a 'lived
in' house and turn it into a show house. It's ok if you just like to
entertain or go on holidays in Spain where you lay on the beach for
two weeks but what if you actually *do* stuff? When they hit these
houses on the TV you see all their everyday posessions going into
carboard boxes then into the loft / storage etc .. what uses is that
(apart from to sell the house that is)?

To *do* things, you often heed 'kit', be it sports or DIY and this kit
needs storing .. if the whole family do this then you need a familys
worth of kit and where does it all go?

We enjoy (as a family) archery, power kites, cycling, camping,
motorcycling, RC sailing boats / cars, PC's, crafts, boating etc but
only live in a 3 bed Victorian end-of-terrace house (and don't want /
cant afford to move). That's not including the tools needed to DIY
('never a lender or bororrer be') most of which are in the 20' x 10'
garage / workshop / store.

So, this means that we don't have a show house but a place to live /
sleep that reflects that we like to do 'things' .. ?

Hurrah!

A grandchild: "My mummy says Grandma has a mucky house because she's old."

How do you explain to a six year old that Grandma and Grandpa have a mucky
house because they has a life?

Mary

All the best ..

T i m

Currently shuttling between home and the charity shop .. (*mostly*
taking stuff *from* the house ..) ;-)

On 04 Nov 2004, Peter Parry wrote that "Mary Fisher"wrote that Peter
Parry wrote;

-snip-

The grocers sold a limited range of time expired

? There weren't sell-by dates then.

Indeed not, but as one of my holiday jobs (while studying A Level
Biology) was scraping green slime off bacon for a local butcher to
sell to a captive audience it didn't require too much skill to
know it was well beyond one had it existed.

low quality produce and the bakers sold bread you could sink a
battleship with.

Not true - again in my experience. I think you've been very
unfortunate.

No, merely widely experienced.

I have the same feeling about the tears shed over big bookstore chains
knocking out traditional small independent bookshops -- "they just want
to shift blockbusters; no interest in books as books; don't know
what's published or isn't published".

My experience of them was that common-and-garden small bookshops had a
limited range of poorly-displayed titles, knew bugger all about
anything outside particular hobby-horses of the owners, and relied on
the publishers' price-fixing cartel to make a living -- not, as
now claimed, to underwrite their "specialist stock and knowledge".

I don't lose any sleep over the closure of small bookshops.

--
Cheers,
Harvey

On Fri, 5 Nov 2004 11:50:20 UTC, Harvey Van Sickle
wrote:

I have the same feeling about the tears shed over big bookstore chains
knocking out traditional small independent bookshops -- "they just want
to shift blockbusters; no interest in books as books; don't know
what's published or isn't published".

I have no patience with our local large bookshops.

Typically, one orders a book and is told it will be 3 to 4 weeks
arriving 'from their warehouse'. I go to the independent, knowledgeable
bookshop down the road (tiny, but well stocked) and they usually have
the book for me by the following afternoon.

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may not be published in, or used by
http://www.diyprojects.info, who are
FORBIDDEN from copying it.

On 5 Nov 2004 13:13:14 GMT, "Bob Eager" wrote:

On Fri, 5 Nov 2004 11:50:20 UTC, Harvey Van Sickle
wrote:

I have the same feeling about the tears shed over big bookstore chains
knocking out traditional small independent bookshops -- "they just want
to shift blockbusters; no interest in books as books; don't know
what's published or isn't published".

I have no patience with our local large bookshops.

Typically, one orders a book and is told it will be 3 to 4 weeks
arriving 'from their warehouse'. I go to the independent, knowledgeable
bookshop down the road (tiny, but well stocked) and they usually have
the book for me by the following afternoon.

I think the threat to the small bookshop may be more from the Internet
than the bigger bookshops?

I *would* buy a book from one of the big shops in the city but for
less money and a couple of clicks get it delivered to my house / work
(often for free) the next day?

After all, you don't generally need 'support' with things like books
(with good search engines) but you can't beat a good bookshop for just
browsing .. ;-) (especially if it's raining!)

All the best ..

T i m

On Fri, 5 Nov 2004 11:28:59 -0000, "Mary Fisher"
wrote:


So, this means that we don't have a show house but a place to live /
sleep that reflects that we like to do 'things' .. ?

Hurrah!

A grandchild: "My mummy says Grandma has a mucky house because she's old."

How do you explain to a six year old that Grandma and Grandpa have a mucky
house because they has a life?

You can't .. and you can't hit it for being 'cheeky to it's elders'
now (doh) ;-)

There are limits to 'mucky' though ..

It's quite difficult .. sigh .. like with the social stigma re cars
... not only the general condition of your car but what make / model
you drive ..?

It seems it's not that easy re cars n kids? My 14 yr old daughter is
happy to be taken to school in our (currently tatty but being worked
on) kit car / jeep looking thing .. her mates think it's kewl
(apparent'y 'wicked' is out now), or the ever tattier Sierra estate.
If we go in the fairly tidy 1.4i Astra or Rover 218SD she insists
being dropped round the corner from the School?

When (male) mates come into our house they act like kids in a toyshop
... tekky stuff, tous, gadets everywhere .. she just sees it as
'stuff' and should be elsewhere?

We did talk it over and came up with a solution.

We sell this place and buy a patch of land somewhere in the sticks
(any vacant land near you Mary?).

We build a barn (about the size of Wickes will do) for me and all my
stuff and a couple of portable buildings as the house bit (that I'm
not allowed to bring my stuff into).

As long as I had a toilet, fridge, kettle and a broadband connection
out there I probably wouldn't go in the 'dwelling' bit at all!

All the best ..

T i m

"T i m" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 5 Nov 2004 11:28:59 -0000, "Mary Fisher"
wrote:


So, this means that we don't have a show house but a place to live /
sleep that reflects that we like to do 'things' .. ?

Hurrah!

A grandchild: "My mummy says Grandma has a mucky house because she's old."

How do you explain to a six year old that Grandma and Grandpa have a mucky
house because they has a life?

You can't .. and you can't hit it for being 'cheeky to it's elders'
now (doh) ;-)

I never hit our own and don't intend to hit theirs.

But it's hard sometimes :-)

There are limits to 'mucky' though ..

In this case it's not so much mucky as what we were talking about -
littered. Crowded. Messy. Full.

It's quite difficult .. sigh .. like with the social stigma re cars
.. not only the general condition of your car but what make / model
you drive ..?

And the colour for goodness' sake ... our vehicle used to be determined by
how many beehives would fit in, now it has to be the right size for our
boxes and leave room for the hen coop.

It seems it's not that easy re cars n kids? My 14 yr old daughter is
happy to be taken to school in our (currently tatty but being worked
on) kit car / jeep looking thing .. her mates think it's kewl
(apparent'y 'wicked' is out now), or the ever tattier Sierra estate.
If we go in the fairly tidy 1.4i Astra or Rover 218SD she insists
being dropped round the corner from the School?

When (male) mates come into our house they act like kids in a toyshop
.. tekky stuff, tous, gadets everywhere .. she just sees it as
'stuff' and should be elsewhere?

Yes, we have friends who think our house is wonderful becaue it's like a
museum ... but it's not consciously like that. We don't have collections,
just ... stuff.

We did talk it over and came up with a solution.

We sell this place and buy a patch of land somewhere in the sticks
(any vacant land near you Mary?).

I wish. We've thought about the same. Perhaps we could have a joint venture.

We build a barn (about the size of Wickes will do) for me and all my
stuff and a couple of portable buildings as the house bit (that I'm
not allowed to bring my stuff into).

Sounds good to me. Although without all that stuff we could manage in our
little caravan.

As long as I had a toilet, fridge, kettle and a broadband connection
out there I probably wouldn't go in the 'dwelling' bit at all!

The broadband connection is high on the priority list. The toilet - we'd be
happy with a hole in the ground. Fridge - or rather freezer - is a must for
keeping whole animals. Kettle ... well you can boil water for tea in almost
anything.

So. Do we need to separate your end of the barn from ours or can we overlap?
Tell you what, the stuff which is duplicated could be sent to the local
museum ...

Ah, pipe dreams ...

Mary

Andy Hall wrote:
On Thu, 4 Nov 2004 23:35:57 -0000, "Owain"
wrote:

"Andy Hall" wrote
Welcome to my place Mary ;-)
I've been angling for that invitation for ages :-)
You took the bait then - I knew he'd have you hooked eventually

If you drink his German wine you'll have had 'ock.


Only if you're a master baiter.......

Hey, no fair, I was going to do that joke but I didn't think I could pull it
off

"James Hart" wrote in message
...
Andy Hall wrote:
On Thu, 4 Nov 2004 23:35:57 -0000, "Owain"
wrote:

"Andy Hall" wrote
Welcome to my place Mary ;-)
I've been angling for that invitation for ages :-)
You took the bait then - I knew he'd have you hooked eventually

If you drink his German wine you'll have had 'ock.


Only if you're a master baiter.......

Hey, no fair, I was going to do that joke but I didn't think I could pull
it off

Is anyone else going to keep these balls in the air?

Mary

On Fri, 5 Nov 2004 14:05:27 -0000, "Mary Fisher"
wrote:


You can't .. and you can't hit it for being 'cheeky to it's elders'
now (doh) ;-)

I never hit our own and don't intend to hit theirs.

But it's hard sometimes :-)

Never hit ours either .. but having the threat was handy .. ?

There are limits to 'mucky' though ..

In this case it's not so much mucky as what we were talking about -
littered. Crowded. Messy. Full.

Yep ...

It's quite difficult .. sigh .. like with the social stigma re cars
.. not only the general condition of your car but what make / model
you drive ..?

And the colour for goodness' sake ... our vehicle used to be determined by
how many beehives would fit in, now it has to be the right size for our
boxes and leave room for the hen coop.

Practical solution to a problem. I've always had smal vans or estate
cars and now just take the fact that I can move (pretty well) anything
anywhere at any time for granted? I'm hoping that the trailers will
cover where the Sierra leaves off sigh

When (male) mates come into our house they act like kids in a toyshop
.. tekky stuff, tous, gadets everywhere .. she just sees it as
'stuff' and should be elsewhere?

Yes, we have friends who think our house is wonderful becaue it's like a
museum ... but it's not consciously like that. We don't have collections,
just ... stuff.

Well, we don't have 'collections' .. apart from my Star Wars figures
and her Elephants .. ;-)

We did talk it over and came up with a solution.

We sell this place and buy a patch of land somewhere in the sticks
(any vacant land near you Mary?).

I wish. We've thought about the same. Perhaps we could have a joint venture.

Could do .. ;-)

We build a barn (about the size of Wickes will do) for me and all my
stuff and a couple of portable buildings as the house bit (that I'm
not allowed to bring my stuff into).

Sounds good to me. Although without all that stuff we could manage in our
little caravan.

Ok, but I'm sure you would be more comfortable in one of the
'dwellings' and you could keep the van in the barn if you wanted to
get away from your 'master' now and again?

As long as I had a toilet, fridge, kettle and a broadband connection
out there I probably wouldn't go in the 'dwelling' bit at all!

The broadband connection is high on the priority list. The toilet - we'd be
happy with a hole in the ground.

'Long drop' .. I know ..

Fridge - or rather freezer - is a must for
keeping whole animals.

We used to let ours into the lounge but whippets / lurchers aren't
that big .. ?

Kettle ... well you can boil water for tea in almost
anything.

Except a sieve (I tried)

So. Do we need to separate your end of the barn from ours or can we overlap?

Nah, overlap .. more fun .. anyway, it would be more like a 'commune'
or CoOp .. ? We could share 'everything' right? ;-)

Tell you what, the stuff which is duplicated could be sent to the local
museum ...

Or charity shop then tip.

Ah, pipe dreams ...

Where there's a will ... ?

All the best 'roomy' ;-)

T i m

On Fri, 5 Nov 2004 09:37:19 -0000, "Mary Fisher"
wrote:


"Paul Mc Cann" wrote in message
. ..


Regardless, plastic bags are a litter nightmare as they 'never' degrade
(At least not in my lifetime, nor yours).

In fairness, some do, they're specially designed so to do.

When you pull them from the bag of carriers you seem to acquire whether you
want them or not and keep for putting rubbish in you find them full of holes
.. :-(

LOL, do you drag your shopping home? )) If a plentiful supply of
bags is at hand, try double bagging, with one inside the other. Also
some newspaper or junk mail paper in the bottom of the outer one will
help stop it getting split and/or the remains of fruit/veggies from
oozing out.

cheers,
Pete.

"Mary Fisher" wrote
| "T i m" wrote
| You can't .. and you can't hit it for being 'cheeky to it's elders'
| now (doh) ;-)
| I never hit our own and don't intend to hit theirs.
| But it's hard sometimes :-)

Mobile phone down the toilet is quite a powerful threat.

I was slightly amused by the discussion on Question Time about the new
English rules (no marks). If you know what you're doing you don't cause
marks evil cackle.

Shall have to rush out a best-selling book "Pressure Points For Pressured
Parents".

Owain

"Pete C" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 5 Nov 2004 09:37:19 -0000, "Mary Fisher"
wrote:


"Paul Mc Cann" wrote in message
...


Regardless, plastic bags are a litter nightmare as they 'never' degrade
(At least not in my lifetime, nor yours).

In fairness, some do, they're specially designed so to do.

When you pull them from the bag of carriers you seem to acquire whether
you
want them or not and keep for putting rubbish in you find them full of
holes
.. :-(

LOL, do you drag your shopping home? ))

Huh?

If a plentiful supply of
bags is at hand, try double bagging, with one inside the other. Also
some newspaper or junk mail paper in the bottom of the outer one will
help stop it getting split and/or the remains of fruit/veggies from
oozing out.

I don't think I expressed myself well enough OR you didn't understand OR you
haven't been reading the thread ...

Mary

cheers,
Pete.

"T i m" wrote in message
...

I never hit our own and don't intend to hit theirs.

But it's hard sometimes :-)

Never hit ours either .. but having the threat was handy .. ?

I can't remember even threatening. I know that I was belted by my Dad and it
wasn't justified. And it didn't make me 'good'.


It's quite difficult .. sigh .. like with the social stigma re cars
.. not only the general condition of your car but what make / model
you drive ..?

And the colour for goodness' sake ... our vehicle used to be determined by
how many beehives would fit in, now it has to be the right size for our
boxes and leave room for the hen coop.

Practical solution to a problem. I've always had smal vans or estate
cars and now just take the fact that I can move (pretty well) anything
anywhere at any time for granted? I'm hoping that the trailers will
cover where the Sierra leaves off sigh

I've only had estates since baby son rolled the Moggy - but we've always
needed a trailer too.



We did talk it over and came up with a solution.

We sell this place and buy a patch of land somewhere in the sticks
(any vacant land near you Mary?).

I wish. We've thought about the same. Perhaps we could have a joint
venture.

Could do .. ;-)

We build a barn (about the size of Wickes will do) for me and all my
stuff and a couple of portable buildings as the house bit (that I'm
not allowed to bring my stuff into).

Sounds good to me. Although without all that stuff we could manage in our
little caravan.

Ok, but I'm sure you would be more comfortable in one of the
'dwellings' and you could keep the van in the barn if you wanted to
get away from your 'master' now and again?

I don't want to! Well, not more than I do by his going off to the garage to
'work'.

As long as I had a toilet, fridge, kettle and a broadband connection
out there I probably wouldn't go in the 'dwelling' bit at all!

The broadband connection is high on the priority list. The toilet - we'd
be
happy with a hole in the ground.

'Long drop' .. I know ..

Fridge - or rather freezer - is a must for
keeping whole animals.

We used to let ours into the lounge but whippets / lurchers aren't
that big .. ?

We don't eat those. I admire your taste in dogs though - the only ones I
really like.

Kettle ... well you can boil water for tea in almost
anything.

Except a sieve (I tried)

Wot, really???

So. Do we need to separate your end of the barn from ours or can we
overlap?

Nah, overlap .. more fun .. anyway, it would be more like a 'commune'
or CoOp .. ? We could share 'everything' right? ;-)

You might not want to ...

Tell you what, the stuff which is duplicated could be sent to the local
museum ...

Or charity shop then tip.

Ah, pipe dreams ...

Where there's a will ... ?

I will if you will :-)

Mary

"Owain" wrote in message
...
"Mary Fisher" wrote
| "T i m" wrote
| You can't .. and you can't hit it for being 'cheeky to it's elders'
| now (doh) ;-)
| I never hit our own and don't intend to hit theirs.
| But it's hard sometimes :-)

Mobile phone down the toilet is quite a powerful threat.

Oh indeed!

But don't they take revenge?

I was slightly amused by the discussion on Question Time about the new
English rules (no marks). If you know what you're doing you don't cause
marks evil cackle.

That's what I thought when I heard it on radio. Well, they said no red marks
or bruising but same thing ...

Shall have to rush out a best-selling book "Pressure Points For Pressured
Parents".

Nice one!

Mary

Owain

On Fri, 5 Nov 2004 21:27:01 -0000, "Mary Fisher"
wrote:

I don't think I expressed myself well enough OR you didn't understand OR you
haven't been reading the thread ...

You said:

When you pull them from the bag of carriers you seem to acquire whether
you
want them or not and keep for putting rubbish in you find them full of
holes
.. :-(

OK. Some commas in the above would be nice, but it appears you are
saying:

You have a bag full of carrier bags, which you seem to aquire whether
you want them or not, but keep for putting rubbish in. When you pull
one out for use you find it full of holes.

cheers,
Pete.

In message , James Hart
writes
Andy Hall wrote:
On Thu, 4 Nov 2004 23:35:57 -0000, "Owain"
wrote:

"Andy Hall" wrote
Welcome to my place Mary ;-)
I've been angling for that invitation for ages :-)
You took the bait then - I knew he'd have you hooked eventually

If you drink his German wine you'll have had 'ock.


Only if you're a master baiter.......

Hey, no fair, I was going to do that joke but I didn't think I could pull it
off
Was it a toss up ?


--
geoff

"Pete C" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 5 Nov 2004 21:27:01 -0000, "Mary Fisher"
wrote:

I don't think I expressed myself well enough OR you didn't understand OR
you
haven't been reading the thread ...

You said:

When you pull them from the bag of carriers you seem to acquire whether
you
want them or not and keep for putting rubbish in you find them full of
holes
.. :-(

OK. Some commas in the above would be nice, but it appears you are
saying:

You have a bag full of carrier bags, which you seem to aquire whether
you want them or not, but keep for putting rubbish in. When you pull
one out for use you find it full of holes.

Only the occasional one, any which is made from biodegradable plastic and
degrades over time. It's absolutely infuriating to the point of saying,
"Heckythump!" knowing that I've given precious space to something which is
no good or could have been used earlier, had it said in large letters:

"Use me NOW because I'm going to be no good after n weeks!"

Wouldn't you be irritated?

No?

You're not the man I thought you were ... :-)

By the way I acquire them when people give me things in them, such as
stones, overgrown courgettes, spinach, string, bones, champagne, eiderdowns
.... It would be rude to give back the carriers. Sometimes they're more use
than the contents.

Mary

cheers,
Pete.

In message , T i m
writes
On Thu, 04 Nov 2004 22:00:51 GMT, raden wrote:

In message , T i m

Oh, and why our house / loft / garage is full of handy stuff I can't
throw away .. ;-(

Now you come and explain that to my wife

Erm .. I think I'll pass on that one if you don't mind Geoff!



.... ..


So, this means that we don't have a show house but a place to live /
sleep that reflects that we like to do 'things' .. ?


There you are, you just have done


--
geoff

On Fri, 5 Nov 2004 22:25:53 -0000, "Mary Fisher"
wrote:

Only the occasional one, any which is made from biodegradable plastic and
degrades over time. It's absolutely infuriating to the point of saying,
"Heckythump!" knowing that I've given precious space to something which is
no good or could have been used earlier, had it said in large letters:

"Use me NOW because I'm going to be no good after n weeks!"

Wouldn't you be irritated?

No?

No, I'd be glad it didn't biodegrade while my rubbish was in it! But
even if it did, using 2 helps as the chance of them both biodegrading
is pretty rare.

By the way I acquire them when people give me things in them, such as
stones, overgrown courgettes, spinach, string, bones, champagne, eiderdowns
... It would be rude to give back the carriers. Sometimes they're more use
than the contents.

Sounds like you have quite a collection, as for the contents why not
do some trading? 'Thanks for the stones, please _do_ take some string
or overgrown courgettes' I'd expect home produced honey is a fairer
swap for champagne or eiderdowns though...

cheers,
Pete.

"Pete C" wrote in message
...

Wouldn't you be irritated?

No?

No, I'd be glad it didn't biodegrade while my rubbish was in it! But
even if it did, using 2 helps as the chance of them both biodegrading
is pretty rare.

The rubbish isn't in a carrier long enough for it to be a problem, two or
three days and it's in the brown bin. It's when it's perforated when I shake
it open that I'm frustrated!

By the way I acquire them when people give me things in them, such as
stones, overgrown courgettes, spinach, string, bones, champagne,
eiderdowns
... It would be rude to give back the carriers. Sometimes they're more use
than the contents.

Sounds like you have quite a collection, as for the contents why not
do some trading? 'Thanks for the stones, please _do_ take some string
or overgrown courgettes' I'd expect home produced honey is a fairer
swap for champagne or eiderdowns though...

I don't really mind the food, some stones, bones and string are useful.
Eiderdowns are an embarrassment, as are teapots. It's understandable that
folk think we need feeding up but eiderdowns???

Mary

On Fri, 5 Nov 2004 21:34:23 -0000, "Mary Fisher"
wrote:


"T i m" wrote in message
.. .

I never hit our own and don't intend to hit theirs.

But it's hard sometimes :-)

Never hit ours either .. but having the threat was handy .. ?

I can't remember even threatening.

Nor me (that I can remember), I was suggesting the 'threat' of knowing
you could be smacked is often enough? It's the same with any form of
'punishment' .. it's the threat / thought of the consequences that
stops you doing it?

I know that I was belted by my Dad and it
wasn't justified.

If I was ever 'smacked' by my Dad It was justified. Like leaving his
tools out in the rain when I shouldn't have touched them in the first
place?

And it didn't make me 'good'.

But it does (has) stopped some kids from running into the road or
touching something hot and being badly hurt?

I'm hoping that the trailers will
cover where the Sierra leaves off sigh

I've only had estates since baby son rolled the Moggy - but we've always
needed a trailer too.


I had two Moggy Minor vans .. in fact one was my first 4 wheeler (I
had the Messerschmitt at the time). Bought it for 15 quid and another
fiver for a gearbox from the breakers. Fitted it in the carpark (in
the rain and dark) from the TV shop I bought the van from ..


Ok, but I'm sure you would be more comfortable in one of the
'dwellings' and you could keep the van in the barn if you wanted to
get away from your 'master' now and again?

I don't want to! Well, not more than I do by his going off to the garage to
'work'.


We used to let ours into the lounge but whippets / lurchers aren't
that big .. ?

We don't eat those. I admire your taste in dogs though - the only ones I
really like.

Kettle ... well you can boil water for tea in almost
anything.

Except a sieve (I tried)

Wot, really???

Doh!

Nah, overlap .. more fun .. anyway, it would be more like a 'commune'
or CoOp .. ? We could share 'everything' right? ;-)

You might not want to ...

Ok, I might not want to share your wasps (or the long drop come to
think of it) but some of your old tools / equipment might be
interesting? ;-)


Ah, pipe dreams ...

Where there's a will ... ?

I will if you will :-)

There you go .. half way there already!

All the best ..

T i m

"T i m" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 5 Nov 2004 21:34:23 -0000, "Mary Fisher"
wrote:


"T i m" wrote in message
. ..

I never hit our own and don't intend to hit theirs.

But it's hard sometimes :-)

Never hit ours either .. but having the threat was handy .. ?

I can't remember even threatening.

Nor me (that I can remember), I was suggesting the 'threat' of knowing
you could be smacked is often enough? It's the same with any form of
'punishment' .. it's the threat / thought of the consequences that
stops you doing it?

I know that I was belted by my Dad and it
wasn't justified.

If I was ever 'smacked' by my Dad It was justified. Like leaving his
tools out in the rain when I shouldn't have touched them in the first
place?

And it didn't make me 'good'.

But it does (has) stopped some kids from running into the road or
touching something hot and being badly hurt?

These are the examples always given. I honestly don't think that being hit
will teach you that something hot hurts. Touching something hot will.

Explaining about running into the road can too - if you're near enough to
hit a child you're near enough to hold it back.

Despite the entertaining thread we had here on Banned from B&Q I really
can't see why we should do to children what it's illegal to do to adults.
All it does, in my observation, is to teach kids that it's OK to hit people.

I'm not a fanatic about this, I just don't think it's necessary and without
family - we had five argumentative, robust children in seven years (still
just as argumentative and robust) and managed to stay sane and unbruised.

Spouse and I did have different opinions about hitting. He once hit No 1
daughter and smashed his watch and couldn't understand why everyone else
fell about laughing ... I think that was the turning point for him.


I had two Moggy Minor vans .. in fact one was my first 4 wheeler (I
had the Messerschmitt at the time). Bought it for 15 quid and another
fiver for a gearbox from the breakers. Fitted it in the carpark (in
the rain and dark) from the TV shop I bought the van from ..

That's a bit like our story, it came free with a brand new back axle, I
think the chap was glad to get rid of it. Unfashionable in those days. It
suited me fine. After its demise I preotested that I really needed transport
so guilty son bought me a RED Ford Something hatchback. It was OK, but VERY
RED and drove like a Dinky toy, and didn't have the presence of the
Swarmobile (the Moggy, which had bees and that name in bubble writing,
painted all over it (not by me but by O level Art son).



Kettle ... well you can boil water for tea in almost
anything.

Except a sieve (I tried)

Wot, really???

Doh!

No, I'd like to know, didn't the plastic melt?

Nah, overlap .. more fun .. anyway, it would be more like a 'commune'
or CoOp .. ? We could share 'everything' right? ;-)

You might not want to ...

Ok, I might not want to share your wasps (or the long drop come to
think of it) but some of your old tools / equipment might be
interesting? ;-)

I'm a great believer in sharing resources, we always have been the centre of
borrowing round here. Spouse was called The Saviour of Chapeltown.. What's
the point in everyone having a shredder, for instance?

Now, who has a nice quiet 2200 we could borrow?

Mary

On Sat, 6 Nov 2004 10:32:28 -0000, "Mary Fisher"
wrote:



Spouse and I did have different opinions about hitting. He once hit No 1
daughter and smashed his watch and couldn't understand why everyone else
fell about laughing ... I think that was the turning point for him.

Mum hit me over the head with a cucumber (at the tea table) .. it
broke in half and one half fell into her tea cup and spilled all over
the tablecloth .. we laughed .. (she didn't) ;-)


I had two Moggy Minor vans .. in fact one was my first 4 wheeler (I
had the Messerschmitt at the time). Bought it for 15 quid and another
fiver for a gearbox from the breakers. Fitted it in the carpark (in
the rain and dark) from the TV shop I bought the van from ..

That's a bit like our story, it came free with a brand new back axle, I
think the chap was glad to get rid of it. Unfashionable in those days. It
suited me fine.

I had the nearside trunion strip out .. I managed to jack it into
place, bind it up with some rope (Spanish windlass) and drive the
couple of miles home. Also had a half-shaft shear .. ;-(


After its demise I preotested that I really needed transport
so guilty son bought me a RED Ford Something hatchback. It was OK, but VERY
RED and drove like a Dinky toy, and didn't have the presence of the
Swarmobile (the Moggy, which had bees and that name in bubble writing,
painted all over it (not by me but by O level Art son).

Very Combi wagon .. ;-)

Kettle ... well you can boil water for tea in almost
anything.

Except a sieve (I tried)

Wot, really???

Doh!

No, I'd like to know, didn't the plastic melt?

No, because I was only using a mag light to heat it .. shrugs, she's
mad?


I'm a great believer in sharing resources, we always have been the centre of
borrowing round here.

Bowrrowing / lending is fine as long as you give / get everything
back? I much prefer to be the one buying the tools and also prefer to
do the job for them rather than have them borrow / ruin / loose the
gear? ;-(

Spouse was called The Saviour of Chapeltown..

Lycra outfit and that?

What's
the point in everyone having a shredder, for instance?

There isn't one, as long as you are ok trust your 'private' documents
to someone else to shred?

Now, who has a nice quiet 2200 we could borrow?

"quiet 2200"? .. fanless 2200Ghz Cpu, 2200W Electric car, K-Tel 2200
quiet honey blender, 2200m long drop ... ?

All the best ..

T i m

"T i m" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 6 Nov 2004 10:32:28 -0000, "Mary Fisher"
wrote:



Spouse and I did have different opinions about hitting. He once hit No 1
daughter and smashed his watch and couldn't understand why everyone else
fell about laughing ... I think that was the turning point for him.

Mum hit me over the head with a cucumber (at the tea table) .. it
broke in half and one half fell into her tea cup and spilled all over
the tablecloth .. we laughed .. (she didn't) ;-)


I had two Moggy Minor vans .. in fact one was my first 4 wheeler (I
had the Messerschmitt at the time). Bought it for 15 quid and another
fiver for a gearbox from the breakers. Fitted it in the carpark (in
the rain and dark) from the TV shop I bought the van from ..

That's a bit like our story, it came free with a brand new back axle, I
think the chap was glad to get rid of it. Unfashionable in those days. It
suited me fine.

I had the nearside trunion strip out .. I managed to jack it into
place, bind it up with some rope (Spanish windlass) and drive the
couple of miles home. Also had a half-shaft shear .. ;-(

I had that too. Too far from home to push it home ... the cavalry came
(Spouse on his motor bike) and fixed it at the roadside.

Then there was the time he fixed a small end (I think) with a hairclip ...

Sigh - they don't make them like that any more ...



Kettle ... well you can boil water for tea in almost
anything.

Except a sieve (I tried)

Wot, really???

Doh!

No, I'd like to know, didn't the plastic melt?

No, because I was only using a mag light to heat it .. shrugs, she's
mad?

So I've heard ...


I'm a great believer in sharing resources, we always have been the centre
of
borrowing round here.

Bowrrowing / lending is fine as long as you give / get everything
back? I much prefer to be the one buying the tools and also prefer to
do the job for them rather than have them borrow / ruin / loose the
gear? ;-(

Indeed. So if you share the same barn there's no problem :-)

Spouse was called The Saviour of Chapeltown..

Lycra outfit and that?

LOL! You haven't seen Spouse have you!

What's
the point in everyone having a shredder, for instance?

There isn't one, as long as you are ok trust your 'private' documents
to someone else to shred?

Um.I was thinking of branches ... we only shred paper to use as packing.

Now, who has a nice quiet 2200 we could borrow?

"quiet 2200"? .. fanless 2200Ghz Cpu, 2200W Electric car, K-Tel 2200
quiet honey blender, 2200m long drop ... ?

You haven't been following the shredding thread have you?

shrugs he's mad ...

Mary

On Sat, 6 Nov 2004 12:57:22 -0000, "Mary Fisher"
wrote:


I had the nearside trunion strip out .. I managed to jack it into
place, bind it up with some rope (Spanish windlass) and drive the
couple of miles home. Also had a half-shaft shear .. ;-(

I had that too. Too far from home to push it home ... the cavalry came
(Spouse on his motor bike) and fixed it at the roadside.

Bless ;-)

Then there was the time he fixed a small end (I think) with a hairclip ...

Sigh - they don't make them like that any more ...

Spouses or easily repairable engines? ;-)


Bowrrowing / lending is fine as long as you give / get everything
back? I much prefer to be the one buying the tools and also prefer to
do the job for them rather than have them borrow / ruin / loose the
gear? ;-(

Indeed. So if you share the same barn there's no problem :-)

True ..;-)

Spouse was called The Saviour of Chapeltown..

Lycra outfit and that?

LOL! You haven't seen Spouse have you!

Yes .. ;-)

What's
the point in everyone having a shredder, for instance?

There isn't one, as long as you are ok trust your 'private' documents
to someone else to shred?

Um.I was thinking of branches ... we only shred paper to use as packing.

Ah, a 'chipper' then?

Now, who has a nice quiet 2200 we could borrow?

"quiet 2200"? .. fanless 2200Ghz Cpu, 2200W Electric car, K-Tel 2200
quiet honey blender, 2200m long drop ... ?

You haven't been following the shredding thread have you?

Nope, I (sort of) have a life you know .. ;-)

shrugs he's mad ...

*Now* she realises!

All the best ..

T i m

"T i m" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 6 Nov 2004 12:57:22 -0000, "Mary Fisher"
wrote:


I had the nearside trunion strip out .. I managed to jack it into
place, bind it up with some rope (Spanish windlass) and drive the
couple of miles home. Also had a half-shaft shear .. ;-(

I had that too. Too far from home to push it home ... the cavalry came
(Spouse on his motor bike) and fixed it at the roadside.

Bless ;-)

Then there was the time he fixed a small end (I think) with a hairclip ...

Sigh - they don't make them like that any more ...

Spouses or easily repairable engines? ;-)

Well, the two go together. You have to be able to dignose the fault and know
what might fix it and have someone around with a hair clip ...


Spouse was called The Saviour of Chapeltown..

Lycra outfit and that?

LOL! You haven't seen Spouse have you!

Yes .. ;-)

Not wearing Lycra you haven't!

What's
the point in everyone having a shredder, for instance?

There isn't one, as long as you are ok trust your 'private' documents
to someone else to shred?

Um.I was thinking of branches ... we only shred paper to use as packing.

Ah, a 'chipper' then?

As you will.

Now, who has a nice quiet 2200 we could borrow?

"quiet 2200"? .. fanless 2200Ghz Cpu, 2200W Electric car, K-Tel 2200
quiet honey blender, 2200m long drop ... ?

You haven't been following the shredding thread have you?

Nope, I (sort of) have a life you know .. ;-)

We've spent the afternoon going through the Share and Insurance folders.
Have chucked a lot out but still don't know what's what.

They don't use suitable paper for shredding, it's always shiny and thick ...
And if I die during the night he still won't know what's due to him. Or even
if I die during the day ... Might as well carry on having a life :-)

Mary

"Mary Fisher" wrote
| Spouse was called The Saviour of Chapeltown..
| Lycra outfit and that?
| LOL! You haven't seen Spouse have you!

Ah, but in his/your younger days ...

Owain

"Owain" wrote in message
...
"Mary Fisher" wrote
| Spouse was called The Saviour of Chapeltown..
| Lycra outfit and that?
| LOL! You haven't seen Spouse have you!

Ah, but in his/your younger days ...

Neither of us can remember that far back ... sigh

Mary

Owain

Andy Dingley wrote in message
...
On Tue, 02 Nov 2004 20:49:52 GMT, EricP wrote:

I have one of those - Staple Hill, Bristol

Address please?

Just head East on Staple Hill High St, They're in the middle of it,
on your left near the post office.


If you're in Bedminster, Mica hardware or (the rather tiny) Lion
hardware on North Street are pretty good.

If you are on the Bath side, the hardware shop in Larkhall is worth knowing
about too. They even had a replacement spring for my letter box!

Jim

Andy Hall wrote in message
...

That would demonstrate genuine environmental concern, not the
imposition of an arbitrary bag tax on customers.

I prefer the carrot to big stick approach. Our local Sainsburys had a
"reuse month", where the checkout gave you 1p for every bag you filled that
wasn't a new one.

It worked too. A lot of people came in with their previously used carrier
bags. Happy customers, not grumpy ones who object to being forced to reject
a carrier bag by the imposition of a nominal fine.

Jim

Mary Fisher wrote in message
et...


In fairness, some do, they're specially designed so to do.

When you pull them from the bag of carriers you seem to acquire whether
you
want them or not and keep for putting rubbish in you find them full of
holes
.. :-(

Our local Co-op Pioneer claims its plastic bags are biodegradable. They are
as strong as any other plastic bag for about 4 or 5 uses, then the sweat
from your hands makes the handles give way. If you keep them for ages, the
whole bag seems to have the strength of toilet paper and then they are no
good for anything.

But they are practical to use twice for shopping then use as bin liners to
throw out other household rubbish. (Did someone mention blister packs?)

Jim

On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 08:23:38 GMT, "Jim Warren"
wrote:


Andy Hall wrote in message
.. .

That would demonstrate genuine environmental concern, not the
imposition of an arbitrary bag tax on customers.

I prefer the carrot to big stick approach. Our local Sainsburys had a
"reuse month", where the checkout gave you 1p for every bag you filled that
wasn't a new one.

It worked too. A lot of people came in with their previously used carrier
bags. Happy customers, not grumpy ones who object to being forced to reject
a carrier bag by the imposition of a nominal fine.

Jim

Interesting principle, but I think I'd want at least a pound to make
it begin to be attractive.



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