On Sun, 27 Sep 2015 14:46:35 +0100, Fredxxx wrote:

Yes, true. If there weren't half a million foreigners coming in every
year house prices would be lower.

When houses are so expensive in terms of multiple of average salary its
quite clear that demand has a profound effect.

But what've "half a million foreigners coming in" got to do with the
price of fish?

Apart from anything else, VERY few recent migrants will be buying
properties.

For those coming from outside the EU - over half of all migrants - they
quite simply can't get mortgages unless they have ILR - which few will
have.

Few EU migrants will be able to easily get a mortgage, especially those
who are coming here from accession countries, quite simply because they
won't have a deposit and won't have a good enough credit rating or track
record in the UK.

If anything, recent migrants are more likely to be living in larger
households, sharing properties.

B'sides over half of all population growth in the UK is from the number
of births outstripping the number of deaths.

Sure, there's a trickle-up effect, but let's not forget that the majority
of migration is in to cities - which is where house prices are rising -
and localised headcount increases don't change whether people are moving
to London for a better job is doing so from Builth Wells or Bratislava or
Benares.

There's plenty of perfectly good property in the UK under £100k still,
and a lot of it's not selling.

wrote:

What about items that make life easier for the elderly? Aging isn't a
disability as such or really an illness in itself. Even so when we
bought a shower stool for FIL because he had got too weak to stand but
still needed to be washed
That's his disability. The cause (age in this case) is irrelevant.

Bill

tim..... wrote:

I'm talking about the many people we meet on our travels (you see
being on a mobility scooter is like having a dog; you get to talk to
everyone, especially other people on mobility scooters) who will
lament the price they've just had to pay for their battery or
whatever. We spend a bit of time in rural market towns where there
might only be one disability shop within reasonable distance. I've
looked in their shop windows. It verges on the criminal what they
charge, sometimes.

That's because it has high overheads that have to be paid by a small
number of sales.

It's not reasonable to compare these prices with an internet seller who
has next to zero costs of sale who probably doesn't even have any stock
in hand.

A bricks and mortar supplier, who has to hold stock, simply cannot
compete on that basis. That's not his fault.

tim

No retail overheads can justify the mark ups some of these people have.
Other shops on the same high street don't need to do it; why do they?

Bill

tim..... wrote:

Yes, these things are often in place when the scooter is delivered to
the customer, if it is delivered in one piece. It's a surprisingly
common item. Disabled people do travel the world you know.

but they are still a very small percentage of the whole

Only once in about 300 flights have I ever shared the plane with a
person who required assistance in getting to/from their seat (which I
suspect is a reasonable proxy for "travelling with their own wheelchair")

The disabled as a proportion of all air travellers is irrelevant. We
were actually considering the proportion of disabled people who travel
by air. You're getting a bit mixed up.

Bill

tim..... wrote:

"Bill Wright" wrote in message
...
Nightjar cpb wrote:

It is simply a matter of shopping around.

I agree, but I suspect many businesses take advantage of the fact
their market is less mobile and less internet savvy

Once again

they don't compete with internet sales because they CAN'T, not because
they don't have to

It would be unreasonable to expect a high street retailer to compete on
cost with the internet. He does have the USP that he is there in town
very convenient and easy. But that doesn't justify some of the mark-ups,
which are really just opportunism.

I am a firm believer in the free market, but I think there should be
some morality in business.

Bill

On Sun, 27 Sep 2015 10:46:17 +0100, critcher wrote:

On 26/09/2015 20:25, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
On Sat, 26 Sep 2015 20:21:04 +0100, Bill Wright wrote:

Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:


Supply and demand.

Yes, true. If there weren't half a million foreigners coming in every
year house prices would be lower.

Agreed.

bet they wouldn't

If there are half the number of people in the country, then everyone has twice as much room, or if they're poor, they can buy a house that isn't twice as big.

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On Sun, 27 Sep 2015 14:46:35 +0100, Fredxxx wrote:

On 27/09/2015 10:46, critcher wrote:
On 26/09/2015 20:25, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
On Sat, 26 Sep 2015 20:21:04 +0100, Bill Wright wrote:

Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:


Supply and demand.

Yes, true. If there weren't half a million foreigners coming in every
year house prices would be lower.

Agreed.

bet they wouldn't

Yes they would, people who could traditionally buy a house in their 20s
now tend to wait until their 30s or 40s.

When houses are so expensive in terms of multiple of average salary its
quite clear that demand has a profound effect.

You do realise immigrants live in houses as well and not in tents?

Only because we give them houses.

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Free ham.

On 27/09/2015 15:18, Bill Wright wrote:
tim..... wrote:

Yes, these things are often in place when the scooter is delivered to
the customer, if it is delivered in one piece. It's a surprisingly
common item. Disabled people do travel the world you know.

but they are still a very small percentage of the whole

Only once in about 300 flights have I ever shared the plane with a
person who required assistance in getting to/from their seat (which I
suspect is a reasonable proxy for "travelling with their own wheelchair")

The disabled as a proportion of all air travellers is irrelevant. We
were actually considering the proportion of disabled people who travel
by air. You're getting a bit mixed up.

Bill

"disabled as a proportion" is a similar commodity as "proportion of
disabled people" in the context of "of all air travellers" or even
"people who travel by air"

What exactly are you saying? I have never knowing flown in an aircraft
who needed that level of assistance.

On Sun, 27 Sep 2015 14:23:24 +0100, wrote:

On Sunday, 27 September 2015 10:05:55 UTC+1, tim..... wrote:
"Tough Guy no. 1265" wrote in message
news
On Sat, 26 Sep 2015 21:02:23 +0100, Bill Wright wrote:

In Rotherham a common way to induce a birth is for the woman to stand up
in her boyfriend's van whilst he roars around the roadhump strewn
streets. This has been known to make the baby plop out.

(That was a joke by the way)

What annoys me is the amount of money my council spends redoing streets
with potholes, which are a tenth of the size of the speedbumps. Why do
they bother?

cos they can be sued (for the potholes)

and because potholes trigger deterioration

So do speedbumps.

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The cab driver politely switched off the radio, stopped the cab and opened the door.
The Arab asked him, "What are you doing?"
The cabbie answered, "In the time of the prophet there were no taxis, so **** off and wait for a camel!!"

On Sun, 27 Sep 2015 10:05:52 +0100, tim..... wrote:


"Tough Guy no. 1265" wrote in message
news
On Sat, 26 Sep 2015 21:02:23 +0100, Bill Wright wrote:

Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:

A good service the disabled should be doing for the whole country is
getting rid of speedbumps. They're illegally discriminating against the
disabled. My Aunt has severe spine problems and can't go over them at
any speed.

Yes I know someone who has to take a long route to her mother's because
of that.

In Rotherham a common way to induce a birth is for the woman to stand up
in her boyfriend's van whilst he roars around the roadhump strewn
streets. This has been known to make the baby plop out.

(That was a joke by the way)

What annoys me is the amount of money my council spends redoing streets
with potholes, which are a tenth of the size of the speedbumps. Why do
they bother?

cos they can be sued (for the potholes)

And not speedbumps?

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In article ,
Adrian wrote:
Sure, there's a trickle-up effect, but let's not forget that the
majority of migration is in to cities - which is where house prices are
rising - and localised headcount increases don't change whether people
are moving to London for a better job is doing so from Builth Wells or
Bratislava or Benares.

There's plenty of perfectly good property in the UK under £100k still,
and a lot of it's not selling.

The selling off of council houses (and not replacing them) had the side
effect of pushing up private rents. Making buy to rent more profitable.
Thus pushing up house prices.
And, of course demand exceeding supply in some areas. Where new house
completion per year is a lower number than many many years ago, despite a
larger population and more single person housholds. But let's just blame
it on immigrants. Nothing new there.

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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Bill Wright wrote:
I am rather bored with this now, but I have been involved with small
business retail all my life and I can tell you that 1,000% mark-ups are
never necessary. This is 'charging what you can get away with', also
known as 'charging what the market will stand'.

Check the price of one resistor at Maplin. ;-)


Check it all you want, it will be out of stock:-)

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Adam

"Tough Guy no. 1265" wrote in message
news
On Sat, 26 Sep 2015 21:02:23 +0100, Bill Wright wrote:

Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:

A good service the disabled should be doing for the whole country is
getting rid of speedbumps. They're illegally discriminating against the
disabled. My Aunt has severe spine problems and can't go over them at
any speed.

Yes I know someone who has to take a long route to her mother's because
of that.

In Rotherham a common way to induce a birth is for the woman to stand up
in her boyfriend's van whilst he roars around the roadhump strewn
streets. This has been known to make the baby plop out.

(That was a joke by the way)

What annoys me is the amount of money my council spends redoing streets
with potholes, which are a tenth of the size of the speedbumps. Why do
they bother?


Speed bumps? What a stupid name. They cause you to slow down.



--
Adam

On Sun, 27 Sep 2015 00:13:12 +0100, Bill Wright wrote:

Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:

Anyway, it doesn't matter. I've had my grumble about it so that's that,
water under the bridge.

The shop is smaller and catering for a small number of people - it's a
lack of cheapness of large quantities (there's a better phrase for this).


I am rather bored with this now, but I have been involved with small
business retail all my life and I can tell you that 1,000% mark-ups are
never necessary. This is 'charging what you can get away with', also
known as 'charging what the market will stand'. It is the exploiting of
a local monopoly made possible indirectly by the customers' disability
and age.

Yeah right, that's why small businesses go bankrupt easily.


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David Woolley wrote:
On 27/09/15 00:13, Bill Wright wrote:
It is the exploiting of a local monopoly made possible indirectly by the
customers' disability and age.

For these shops in general (maybe buggies are a special case) and the
rest of the disability market, the customers are not the aged, but
rather their children, or even grand children.

I wouldn't agree with that.

Bill

Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Bill Wright wrote:
I am rather bored with this now, but I have been involved with small
business retail all my life and I can tell you that 1,000% mark-ups are
never necessary. This is 'charging what you can get away with', also
known as 'charging what the market will stand'.

Check the price of one resistor at Maplin. ;-)


I should think that handling costs would far exceed the value of the
goods, but even so two wrongs don't make a right.

Bill

"Bill Wright" wrote in message
...
GB wrote:

Very annoying! To some extent, this is just the same as any spare parts
operation - for a car, for example. There is a cost involved in stocking
*many* spare parts and only selling small numbers of each item, and
that's bound to be reflected in the price. Somebody worked out that
building a car from spare parts would cost several times the cost of a
finished car.

Not comparable.


I have no idea why your batteries are more expensive than for golf
buggies. Are you comparing with manufacturer's specific parts for named
brand buggies, or generic batteries?

Same batteries, same make, same capacity, same everything. Different
retailer.




Ever owned a snake and gone into a reptile/pet shop for a 60W lamp to keep
the snake warm?

£4.99 in the pet shop for something I pay about £1 for at the wholesalers
and £1.50 for at a shed.


--
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On Sun, 27 Sep 2015 16:03:05 +0100, ARW wrote:

"Tough Guy no. 1265" wrote in message
news
On Sat, 26 Sep 2015 21:02:23 +0100, Bill Wright wrote:

Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:

A good service the disabled should be doing for the whole country is
getting rid of speedbumps. They're illegally discriminating against the
disabled. My Aunt has severe spine problems and can't go over them at
any speed.

Yes I know someone who has to take a long route to her mother's because
of that.

In Rotherham a common way to induce a birth is for the woman to stand up
in her boyfriend's van whilst he roars around the roadhump strewn
streets. This has been known to make the baby plop out.

(That was a joke by the way)

What annoys me is the amount of money my council spends redoing streets
with potholes, which are a tenth of the size of the speedbumps. Why do
they bother?


Speed bumps? What a stupid name. They cause you to slow down.

Maybe they'e meant to bump you only if you're speeding. Which they don't, as the faster you go the less you get jolted. I have to laugh at people going over them at 5mph, and I can see the occupants of the car being shoved about. If you go about twice the sped limit, the suspension may get a jolt, but the occupants of the car do not.

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Slow down and use a lubricant.

On Thursday, 24 September 2015 21:33:02 UTC+1, Bob Eager wrote:
On Thu, 24 Sep 2015 21:12:29 +0100, Chris French wrote:

In message , Bill Wright
writes
wrote:

due to low sales. So buy elsewhere. Anything you want to buy you can
pay ott for.
NT

No it isn't. It's because the market is relatively captive. Many
disabled and old people don't shop around. They just go back to the shop
where they bought the scooter (which probably cost them twice the price
the shop paid.)

To be fair, a 50% markup in a shop is pretty normal

Of course. But if shop A charges £100, and shop B charges £40, something
is wrong. The markup must be higher in shop A.

Maybe not. Perhaps shop A only sells small volumes and does not get the big supplier discounts that shop B gets.

Perhaps also a specialist shop like A has a relatively small turnover and big overheads.

Robert

"Tough Guy no. 1265" wrote in message
news
What annoys me is the amount of money my council spends redoing streets
with potholes, which are a tenth of the size of the speedbumps. Why do
they bother?

Round here (rural Yorkshire) they spend money resurfacing parts of roads
that have minor potholes but leave the really bad ones nearby untouched.
Every time I see "road will be closed for repairs" I think "ah, they'll
resurface the bits that are OK for another year and ignore the bad bits".

On Sun, 27 Sep 2015 16:28:17 +0100, NY wrote:

"Tough Guy no. 1265" wrote in message
news
What annoys me is the amount of money my council spends redoing streets
with potholes, which are a tenth of the size of the speedbumps. Why do
they bother?

Round here (rural Yorkshire) they spend money resurfacing parts of roads
that have minor potholes but leave the really bad ones nearby untouched.
Every time I see "road will be closed for repairs" I think "ah, they'll
resurface the bits that are OK for another year and ignore the bad bits".

I think they do it on a schedule with no checking to see what the condition of each road is at all. What a waste of money. Either that or they use those stupid traffic counters and assume all else is equal. Why not just look?

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On 27/09/2015 15:09, Adrian wrote:
On Sun, 27 Sep 2015 14:46:35 +0100, Fredxxx wrote:

Yes, true. If there weren't half a million foreigners coming in every
year house prices would be lower.

When houses are so expensive in terms of multiple of average salary its
quite clear that demand has a profound effect.

But what've "half a million foreigners coming in" got to do with the
price of fish?

Quite.

Apart from anything else, VERY few recent migrants will be buying
properties.

No, but they still live in them don't they. Do you understand the
concept that housing demand pushes up the prices of housing?

For those coming from outside the EU - over half of all migrants - they
quite simply can't get mortgages unless they have ILR - which few will
have.

No, they will rent. Rental properties then command higher rents with
commensurate value of properties.

Few EU migrants will be able to easily get a mortgage, especially those
who are coming here from accession countries, quite simply because they
won't have a deposit and won't have a good enough credit rating or track
record in the UK.

No, they will rent. Rental properties then command higher rents with
commensurate value of properties.

If anything, recent migrants are more likely to be living in larger
households, sharing properties.

OK, lets say 1 million net immigration, how many houses do you think
they will occupy, now and when their families join them?

B'sides over half of all population growth in the UK is from the number
of births outstripping the number of deaths.

Yes, largely from non indigenous inhabitants.

Sure, there's a trickle-up effect, but let's not forget that the majority
of migration is in to cities - which is where house prices are rising -
and localised headcount increases don't change whether people are moving
to London for a better job is doing so from Builth Wells or Bratislava or
Benares.

So you finally agree that immigration does affect house prices, and yes
I will agree it that the greatest distortion is in or near big cities.

There's plenty of perfectly good property in the UK under £100k still,
and a lot of it's not selling.

Agreed, but any family moving there will be on a life-time of benefits
from there being no local work.

On 27/09/2015 15:15, Bill Wright wrote:
tim..... wrote:


It's not reasonable to compare these prices with an internet seller who
has next to zero costs of sale who probably doesn't even have any stock
in hand.

A bricks and mortar supplier, who has to hold stock, simply cannot
compete on that basis. That's not his fault.

tim

No retail overheads can justify the mark ups some of these people have.
Other shops on the same high street don't need to do it; why do they?

Some costs are a constant. Business rates, for example are based on the
size and shape of the shop as well as location, and these won't change.
Rent is usually at "commercial rates" which doesn't take account of
ability to pay[1].

The ability to pay the business rate depends on turnover and profit
margin, and these two are related. Profit margin has to increase if
turnover reduces in order to achieve the same amount of disposable income.

Of course it all falls flat if attempting to increase profit margin
reduces turnover and a downward spiral sets in.

Jim
[1] My council tends to increase rents of its properties annually, and
eventually this exceeds the shop's ability to pay, so the lease isn't
renewed and the shop sits empty. Then the shop premises is advertised
and eventually if it doesn't attract a business at the rent quoted, that
rent reduces in stages until there is a taker. Often this is at a rent
lower than the previous incumbent had been paying, and if the council
hadn't been so greedy the original shop would have stayed. Idiots!

On 27/09/2015 16:11, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
On Sun, 27 Sep 2015 16:03:05 +0100, wrote:

Speed bumps? What a stupid name. They cause you to slow down.

Maybe they'e meant to bump you only if you're speeding. Which they don't, as the faster you go the less you get jolted. I have to laugh at people going over them at 5mph, and I can see the occupants of the car being shoved about. If you go about twice the sped limit, the suspension may get a jolt, but the occupants of the car do not.

The best speed varies from car to car, and it depends on the distance
between the front and back wheels and the design of the suspension.
Typically the best speed will be found (by trial and error) to be
between 37 and 47mph.

Jim

On Sun, 27 Sep 2015 16:53:58 +0100, Fredxxx wrote:

No, they will rent. Rental properties then command higher rents with
commensurate value of properties.

Sounds like your beef is BtL landlords, not their tenants.

Unless, of course, you're working backwards to a pre-determined
conclusion.

On Sun, 27 Sep 2015 16:53:58 +0100, Fredxxx wrote:

Sure, there's a trickle-up effect, but let's not forget that the
majority of migration is in to cities - which is where house prices are
rising - and localised headcount increases don't change whether people
are moving to London for a better job is doing so from Builth Wells or
Bratislava or Benares.

So you finally agree that immigration does affect house prices, and yes
I will agree it that the greatest distortion is in or near big cities.

Did you read that paragraph before replying to it?

On Sun, 27 Sep 2015 17:11:58 +0100, Indy Jess John wrote:

On 27/09/2015 16:11, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
On Sun, 27 Sep 2015 16:03:05 +0100, wrote:

Speed bumps? What a stupid name. They cause you to slow down.

Maybe they'e meant to bump you only if you're speeding. Which they don't, as the faster you go the less you get jolted. I have to laugh at people going over them at 5mph, and I can see the occupants of the car being shoved about. If you go about twice the sped limit, the suspension may get a jolt, but the occupants of the car do not.

The best speed varies from car to car, and it depends on the distance
between the front and back wheels and the design of the suspension.
Typically the best speed will be found (by trial and error) to be
between 37 and 47mph.

I've always found that it's a multiple or factor of the speed limit, with higher numbers getting smoother for the occupants. For example a 20mph bump should be taken at 5, 10, 20, or 40. 15 is worse than 20.

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In article , ARW
wrote:
"Tough Guy no. 1265" wrote in message
news
On Sat, 26 Sep 2015 21:02:23 +0100, Bill Wright
wrote:

Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:

A good service the disabled should be doing for the whole country is
getting rid of speedbumps. They're illegally discriminating against
the disabled. My Aunt has severe spine problems and can't go over
them at any speed.

Yes I know someone who has to take a long route to her mother's
because of that.

In Rotherham a common way to induce a birth is for the woman to stand
up in her boyfriend's van whilst he roars around the roadhump strewn
streets. This has been known to make the baby plop out.

(That was a joke by the way)

What annoys me is the amount of money my council spends redoing streets
with potholes, which are a tenth of the size of the speedbumps. Why
do they bother?


Speed bumps? What a stupid name. They cause you to slow down.

same with the phrase "near miss" which ia actually a near hit - but a
complete miss.

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"dennis@home" wrote in message
web.com...
On 26/09/2015 14:42, Bill Wright wrote:
Fredxxx wrote:

I would imagine that most people with mobility scooters would be
unable to fit batteries themselves, so perhaps not unreasonable to
specify they must be fitted by the same supplier?

Most people have sons-in-law.

Most of whom are old and/or useless.


Don't think the population in general knows anything about DIY as IME they
know nothing.


Tell us what you know about induction hobs, VAT returns and satellite
installations?

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On Sun, 27 Sep 2015 17:31:40 +0100, charles wrote:

In article , ARW
wrote:
"Tough Guy no. 1265" wrote in message
news
On Sat, 26 Sep 2015 21:02:23 +0100, Bill Wright
wrote:

Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:

A good service the disabled should be doing for the whole country is
getting rid of speedbumps. They're illegally discriminating against
the disabled. My Aunt has severe spine problems and can't go over
them at any speed.

Yes I know someone who has to take a long route to her mother's
because of that.

In Rotherham a common way to induce a birth is for the woman to stand
up in her boyfriend's van whilst he roars around the roadhump strewn
streets. This has been known to make the baby plop out.

(That was a joke by the way)

What annoys me is the amount of money my council spends redoing streets
with potholes, which are a tenth of the size of the speedbumps. Why
do they bother?

Speed bumps? What a stupid name. They cause you to slow down.

same with the phrase "near miss" which ia actually a near hit - but a
complete miss.

Agreed, that always makes me laugh. Explaining the above doesn't seem to help when I dodge traffic at high speed and frighten the passenger though.

"The knack to flying is learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss."

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On 27/09/2015 17:41, ARW wrote:
wrote in message

Don't think the population in general knows anything about DIY as IME they
know nothing.


Tell us what you know about induction hobs, VAT returns and satellite
installations?

Are you seriously suggesting that these are DIY subjects?

Induction hobs will often need a Part P certificate, VAT returns can't
be used by the general population. Both definitely not DIY.

OK, I did install my own satellite dish and cabling, and later I swapped
the out the original LNB because I wanted more ports, but most people
just apply to Sky and they do the installation not the customer. Even if
the customer was prepared to DIY, Sky wouldn't let them.

Jim

In article , Indy Jess John
wrote:
On 27/09/2015 17:41, ARW wrote:
wrote in message

Don't think the population in general knows anything about DIY as IME
they know nothing.


Tell us what you know about induction hobs, VAT returns and satellite
installations?

Are you seriously suggesting that these are DIY subjects?

Induction hobs will often need a Part P certificate, VAT returns can't
be used by the general population. Both definitely not DIY.

OK, I did install my own satellite dish and cabling, and later I swapped
the out the original LNB because I wanted more ports, but most people
just apply to Sky and they do the installation not the customer. Even if
the customer was prepared to DIY, Sky wouldn't let them.

as well as Sky there is Freesat

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On 27/09/2015 17:30, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
On Sun, 27 Sep 2015 17:11:58 +0100, Indy Jess wrote:

On 27/09/2015 16:11, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
On Sun, 27 Sep 2015 16:03:05 +0100, wrote:

Speed bumps? What a stupid name. They cause you to slow down.

Maybe they'e meant to bump you only if you're speeding. Which they don't, as the faster you go the less you get jolted. I have to laugh at people going over them at 5mph, and I can see the occupants of the car being shoved about. If you go about twice the sped limit, the suspension may get a jolt, but the occupants of the car do not.

The best speed varies from car to car, and it depends on the distance
between the front and back wheels and the design of the suspension.
Typically the best speed will be found (by trial and error) to be
between 37 and 47mph.

I've always found that it's a multiple or factor of the speed limit, with higher numbers getting smoother for the occupants. For example a 20mph bump should be taken at 5, 10, 20, or 40. 15 is worse than 20.

There is a standard Road Traffic Act specification for a speed bump.
Mostly the speed limit of the road in which it is installed doesn't get
taken into account for the profile of the bump.

Jim

On Sun, 27 Sep 2015 18:04:37 +0100, Indy Jess John wrote:

On 27/09/2015 17:30, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
On Sun, 27 Sep 2015 17:11:58 +0100, Indy Jess wrote:

On 27/09/2015 16:11, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
On Sun, 27 Sep 2015 16:03:05 +0100, wrote:

Speed bumps? What a stupid name. They cause you to slow down.

Maybe they'e meant to bump you only if you're speeding. Which they don't, as the faster you go the less you get jolted. I have to laugh at people going over them at 5mph, and I can see the occupants of the car being shoved about. If you go about twice the sped limit, the suspension may get a jolt, but the occupants of the car do not.

The best speed varies from car to car, and it depends on the distance
between the front and back wheels and the design of the suspension.
Typically the best speed will be found (by trial and error) to be
between 37 and 47mph.

I've always found that it's a multiple or factor of the speed limit, with higher numbers getting smoother for the occupants. For example a 20mph bump should be taken at 5, 10, 20, or 40. 15 is worse than 20.

There is a standard Road Traffic Act specification for a speed bump.
Mostly the speed limit of the road in which it is installed doesn't get
taken into account for the profile of the bump.

Really? I assumed there'd be specs for each limit.

When I complained to my council (with a video showing how ridiculously my car jumped about at 20mph) to the council, I was actually told I shouldn't be going 20mph in a 20 zone. I was told 10mph was a more appropriate speed. I said "change the speed limit signs to 10 then" and she said "we're not allowed." The mind boggles.

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In article , Tough Guy no. 1265
wrote:
On Sun, 27 Sep 2015 18:04:37 +0100, Indy Jess John
wrote:

On 27/09/2015 17:30, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
On Sun, 27 Sep 2015 17:11:58 +0100, Indy Jess
wrote:

On 27/09/2015 16:11, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
On Sun, 27 Sep 2015 16:03:05 +0100,
wrote:

Speed bumps? What a stupid name. They cause you to slow down.

Maybe they'e meant to bump you only if you're speeding. Which they
don't, as the faster you go the less you get jolted. I have to
laugh at people going over them at 5mph, and I can see the occupants
of the car being shoved about. If you go about twice the sped
limit, the suspension may get a jolt, but the occupants of the car
do not.

The best speed varies from car to car, and it depends on the distance
between the front and back wheels and the design of the suspension.
Typically the best speed will be found (by trial and error) to be
between 37 and 47mph.

I've always found that it's a multiple or factor of the speed limit,
with higher numbers getting smoother for the occupants. For example a
20mph bump should be taken at 5, 10, 20, or 40. 15 is worse than 20.

There is a standard Road Traffic Act specification for a speed bump.
Mostly the speed limit of the road in which it is installed doesn't get
taken into account for the profile of the bump.

Really? I assumed there'd be specs for each limit.

When I complained to my council (with a video showing how ridiculously my
car jumped about at 20mph) to the council, I was actually told I
shouldn't be going 20mph in a 20 zone. I was told 10mph was a more
appropriate speed. I said "change the speed limit signs to 10 then" and
she said "we're not allowed." The mind boggles.

contrary to popular belief the "speed limit" is not a target figure.

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On Sun, 27 Sep 2015 18:02:12 +0100, Indy Jess John wrote:

Tell us what you know about induction hobs, VAT returns and satellite
installations?

Are you seriously suggesting that these are DIY subjects?

Induction hobs will often need a Part P certificate

Did he ask about installing them?

VAT returns can't be used by the general population. Both definitely
not DIY.

I'd say that the vast majority of VAT returns are DIYed. Small business
people are part of the "general population", too, y'know.

In uk.d-i-y ARW wrote:
"Tough Guy no. 1265" wrote in message
news
On Sat, 26 Sep 2015 21:02:23 +0100, Bill Wright wrote:

Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:

A good service the disabled should be doing for the whole country is
getting rid of speedbumps. They're illegally discriminating against the
disabled. My Aunt has severe spine problems and can't go over them at
any speed.

Yes I know someone who has to take a long route to her mother's because
of that.

In Rotherham a common way to induce a birth is for the woman to stand up
in her boyfriend's van whilst he roars around the roadhump strewn
streets. This has been known to make the baby plop out.

(That was a joke by the way)

What annoys me is the amount of money my council spends redoing streets
with potholes, which are a tenth of the size of the speedbumps. Why do
they bother?


Speed bumps? What a stupid name. They cause you to slow down.

I've never fathomed out why something which mounts to an obstruction
or fault in the road can contribute to road safety. You don't get
safety oil slicks to slow you down so why have 'safety bumps'?

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"Tough Guy no. 1265" wrote in message
news
On Sun, 27 Sep 2015 17:31:40 +0100, charles
wrote:

In article , ARW
wrote:
"Tough Guy no. 1265" wrote in message
news On Sat, 26 Sep 2015 21:02:23 +0100, Bill Wright
wrote:

Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:

A good service the disabled should be doing for the whole country is
getting rid of speedbumps. They're illegally discriminating against
the disabled. My Aunt has severe spine problems and can't go over
them at any speed.

Yes I know someone who has to take a long route to her mother's
because of that.

In Rotherham a common way to induce a birth is for the woman to stand
up in her boyfriend's van whilst he roars around the roadhump strewn
streets. This has been known to make the baby plop out.

(That was a joke by the way)

What annoys me is the amount of money my council spends redoing
streets
with potholes, which are a tenth of the size of the speedbumps. Why
do they bother?

Speed bumps? What a stupid name. They cause you to slow down.

same with the phrase "near miss" which ia actually a near hit - but a
complete miss.

Agreed, that always makes me laugh. Explaining the above doesn't seem to
help when I dodge traffic at high speed and frighten the passenger though.







"The knack to flying is learning how to throw yourself at the ground and
miss."


I never managed to master that knack.

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"charles" wrote in message
...
In article , Tough Guy no. 1265
wrote:
On Sun, 27 Sep 2015 18:04:37 +0100, Indy Jess John
wrote:

On 27/09/2015 17:30, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
On Sun, 27 Sep 2015 17:11:58 +0100, Indy Jess
wrote:

On 27/09/2015 16:11, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
On Sun, 27 Sep 2015 16:03:05 +0100,
wrote:

Speed bumps? What a stupid name. They cause you to slow down.

Maybe they'e meant to bump you only if you're speeding. Which they
don't, as the faster you go the less you get jolted. I have to
laugh at people going over them at 5mph, and I can see the occupants
of the car being shoved about. If you go about twice the sped
limit, the suspension may get a jolt, but the occupants of the car
do not.

The best speed varies from car to car, and it depends on the distance
between the front and back wheels and the design of the suspension.
Typically the best speed will be found (by trial and error) to be
between 37 and 47mph.

I've always found that it's a multiple or factor of the speed limit,
with higher numbers getting smoother for the occupants. For example a
20mph bump should be taken at 5, 10, 20, or 40. 15 is worse than 20.

There is a standard Road Traffic Act specification for a speed bump.
Mostly the speed limit of the road in which it is installed doesn't get
taken into account for the profile of the bump.

Really? I assumed there'd be specs for each limit.

When I complained to my council (with a video showing how ridiculously my
car jumped about at 20mph) to the council, I was actually told I
shouldn't be going 20mph in a 20 zone. I was told 10mph was a more
appropriate speed. I said "change the speed limit signs to 10 then" and
she said "we're not allowed." The mind boggles.

contrary to popular belief the "speed limit" is not a target figure.


Tell that to the safety camera teams who have targets to meet.

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Adam

"Indy Jess John" wrote in message
...
On 27/09/2015 17:41, ARW wrote:
wrote in message

Don't think the population in general knows anything about DIY as IME
they
know nothing.


Tell us what you know about induction hobs, VAT returns and satellite
installations?

Are you seriously suggesting that these are DIY subjects?


No (but they could be)

I am taking the **** out of dennis as he is a thick daft ****.



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Adam