110Ah deep discharge battery sold through some disability industry
outlets: £149.95. Exact same battery sold for golf buggy: £60

Flightsafe device: £30. This is a three pin XLR plug with pins 1 and 2
shorted, in red plastic. This inhibits the scooter operation. Cost of
manufacture will be about £1.

115mm rubber tyred jockey wheel, 20mm bo Disability shops: £18.
Various other places: about £10.

Various scooter keys:
Shoprider on/off switch £10. This is standard plastic body toggle
switch: £1 from CPC etc.
Some old types of scooter uses a standard 1/4" jack plug, shorted out
internally, as a key. These are sold for £5 to £12 in disability shops.
Some other keys are on standard blanks and my local cobbler with turn
them out at £5 each, but if you buy from a disability shop they are
likely to be £12 to £15.


Bill

On 24/09/2015 19:40, Bill Wright wrote:
110Ah deep discharge battery sold through some disability industry
outlets: £149.95. Exact same battery sold for golf buggy: £60

Flightsafe device: £30. This is a three pin XLR plug with pins 1 and 2
shorted, in red plastic. This inhibits the scooter operation. Cost of
manufacture will be about £1.

115mm rubber tyred jockey wheel, 20mm bo Disability shops: £18.
Various other places: about £10.

Various scooter keys:
Shoprider on/off switch £10. This is standard plastic body toggle
switch: £1 from CPC etc.
Some old types of scooter uses a standard 1/4" jack plug, shorted out
internally, as a key. These are sold for £5 to £12 in disability shops.
Some other keys are on standard blanks and my local cobbler with turn
them out at £5 each, but if you buy from a disability shop they are
likely to be £12 to £15.

Very annoying! To some extent, this is just the same as any spare parts
operation - for a car, for example. There is a cost involved in stocking
*many* spare parts and only selling small numbers of each item, and
that's bound to be reflected in the price. Somebody worked out that
building a car from spare parts would cost several times the cost of a
finished car.

I have no idea why your batteries are more expensive than for golf
buggies. Are you comparing with manufacturer's specific parts for named
brand buggies, or generic batteries?

"GB" wrote in message
...
On 24/09/2015 19:40, Bill Wright wrote:
110Ah deep discharge battery sold through some disability industry
outlets: £149.95. Exact same battery sold for golf buggy: £60

Flightsafe device: £30. This is a three pin XLR plug with pins 1 and 2
shorted, in red plastic. This inhibits the scooter operation. Cost of
manufacture will be about £1.

115mm rubber tyred jockey wheel, 20mm bo Disability shops: £18.
Various other places: about £10.

Various scooter keys:
Shoprider on/off switch £10. This is standard plastic body toggle
switch: £1 from CPC etc.
Some old types of scooter uses a standard 1/4" jack plug, shorted out
internally, as a key. These are sold for £5 to £12 in disability shops.
Some other keys are on standard blanks and my local cobbler with turn
them out at £5 each, but if you buy from a disability shop they are
likely to be £12 to £15.

Very annoying! To some extent, this is just the same as any spare parts
operation - for a car, for example. There is a cost involved in stocking
*many* spare parts and only selling small numbers of each item, and that's
bound to be reflected in the price.



Somebody worked out that building a car from spare parts would cost
several times the cost of a finished car.


That was Johnny Cash AICMFP.



--
Adam

On 24/09/2015 20:04, ARW wrote:

Somebody worked out that building a car from spare parts would cost
several times the cost of a finished car.


That was Johnny Cash AICMFP.

My favourite country and Johnny Cash record

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWHniL8MyMM

--
Mark
Please replace invalid and invalid with gmx and net to reply.

On Thursday, 24 September 2015 19:41:01 UTC+1, Bill Wright wrote:
110Ah deep discharge battery sold through some disability industry
outlets: £149.95. Exact same battery sold for golf buggy: £60

Flightsafe device: £30. This is a three pin XLR plug with pins 1 and 2
shorted, in red plastic. This inhibits the scooter operation. Cost of
manufacture will be about £1.

115mm rubber tyred jockey wheel, 20mm bo Disability shops: £18.
Various other places: about £10.

Various scooter keys:
Shoprider on/off switch £10. This is standard plastic body toggle
switch: £1 from CPC etc.
Some old types of scooter uses a standard 1/4" jack plug, shorted out
internally, as a key. These are sold for £5 to £12 in disability shops.
Some other keys are on standard blanks and my local cobbler with turn
them out at £5 each, but if you buy from a disability shop they are
likely to be £12 to £15.

due to low sales. So buy elsewhere. Anything you want to buy you can pay ott for.


NT

GB wrote:

Very annoying! To some extent, this is just the same as any spare parts
operation - for a car, for example. There is a cost involved in stocking
*many* spare parts and only selling small numbers of each item, and
that's bound to be reflected in the price. Somebody worked out that
building a car from spare parts would cost several times the cost of a
finished car.

Not comparable.


I have no idea why your batteries are more expensive than for golf
buggies. Are you comparing with manufacturer's specific parts for named
brand buggies, or generic batteries?

Same batteries, same make, same capacity, same everything. Different
retailer.

Bill

On Thu, 24 Sep 2015 20:04:35 +0100, ARW wrote:

"GB" wrote in message
...
On 24/09/2015 19:40, Bill Wright wrote:
110Ah deep discharge battery sold through some disability industry
outlets: £149.95. Exact same battery sold for golf buggy: £60

Flightsafe device: £30. This is a three pin XLR plug with pins 1 and 2
shorted, in red plastic. This inhibits the scooter operation. Cost of
manufacture will be about £1.

115mm rubber tyred jockey wheel, 20mm bo Disability shops: £18.
Various other places: about £10.

Various scooter keys:
Shoprider on/off switch £10. This is standard plastic body toggle
switch: £1 from CPC etc.
Some old types of scooter uses a standard 1/4" jack plug, shorted out
internally, as a key. These are sold for £5 to £12 in disability
shops.
Some other keys are on standard blanks and my local cobbler with turn
them out at £5 each, but if you buy from a disability shop they are
likely to be £12 to £15.

Very annoying! To some extent, this is just the same as any spare parts
operation - for a car, for example. There is a cost involved in
stocking *many* spare parts and only selling small numbers of each
item, and that's bound to be reflected in the price.



Somebody worked out that building a car from spare parts would cost
several times the cost of a finished car.


That was Johnny Cash AICMFP.

Well, the parts cost home nothing in the song!

wrote:

due to low sales. So buy elsewhere. Anything you want to buy you can pay ott for.


NT

No it isn't. It's because the market is relatively captive. Many
disabled and old people don't shop around. They just go back to the shop
where they bought the scooter (which probably cost them twice the price
the shop paid.)

Bill

Mark Carver wrote:


That was Johnny Cash AICMFP.

My favourite country and Johnny Cash record

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWHniL8MyMM


Better call at the Grand Ol Opry if ever you're in the USA. You might
get to like other C & W tracks like I Flushed You From The Toilets Of My
Heart, Get Your Tongue Outta My Mouth 'Cause I'm Kissing You Goodbye, My
John Deere Was Breaking Your Field While Your Dear John Was Breaking My
Heart, You Can't Have Your Kate And Edith Too, If You Don't Believe I
Love You Just Ask My Wife, and so on . . .

Bill

"GB" wrote in message ...
On 24/09/2015 19:40, Bill Wright wrote:
110Ah deep discharge battery sold through some disability industry
outlets: £149.95. Exact same battery sold for golf buggy: £60

Flightsafe device: £30. This is a three pin XLR plug with pins 1 and 2
shorted, in red plastic. This inhibits the scooter operation. Cost of
manufacture will be about £1.

115mm rubber tyred jockey wheel, 20mm bo Disability shops: £18.
Various other places: about £10.

Various scooter keys:
Shoprider on/off switch £10. This is standard plastic body toggle
switch: £1 from CPC etc.
Some old types of scooter uses a standard 1/4" jack plug, shorted out
internally, as a key. These are sold for £5 to £12 in disability shops.
Some other keys are on standard blanks and my local cobbler with turn
them out at £5 each, but if you buy from a disability shop they are
likely to be £12 to £15.

Very annoying! To some extent, this is just the same as any spare parts operation - for
a car, for example.

But that doesn't explain why the same battery is available for a golf
buggy for 40% of the price. Or the toggle switch which is widely
available elsewhere at 1/10th of the price. Or the keys which cost
three times as much in a disabilty shop as in a key cutting
kiosk.



michael adams

....

In message , Bill Wright
writes
wrote:

due to low sales. So buy elsewhere. Anything you want to buy you can
pay ott for.
NT

No it isn't. It's because the market is relatively captive. Many
disabled and old people don't shop around. They just go back to the
shop where they bought the scooter (which probably cost them twice the
price the shop paid.)

To be fair, a 50% markup in a shop is pretty normal
--
Chris French

On Thu, 24 Sep 2015 21:12:29 +0100, Chris French wrote:

In message , Bill Wright
writes
wrote:

due to low sales. So buy elsewhere. Anything you want to buy you can
pay ott for.
NT

No it isn't. It's because the market is relatively captive. Many
disabled and old people don't shop around. They just go back to the shop
where they bought the scooter (which probably cost them twice the price
the shop paid.)

To be fair, a 50% markup in a shop is pretty normal

Of course. But if shop A charges £100, and shop B charges £40, something
is wrong. The markup must be higher in shop A.

On Thu, 24 Sep 2015 21:07:08 +0100, Bill Wright
wrote:

Mark Carver wrote:


That was Johnny Cash AICMFP.

My favourite country and Johnny Cash record

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWHniL8MyMM


Better call at the Grand Ol Opry if ever you're in the USA. You might
get to like other C & W tracks like I Flushed You From The Toilets Of My
Heart, Get Your Tongue Outta My Mouth 'Cause I'm Kissing You Goodbye, My
John Deere Was Breaking Your Field While Your Dear John Was Breaking My
Heart, You Can't Have Your Kate And Edith Too, If You Don't Believe I
Love You Just Ask My Wife, and so on . . .

Bill

I expect you'll have met Dolly Parton at a library near Rother Ham?

--

Graham.

%Profound_observation%

Graham. wrote:

I expect you'll have met Dolly Parton at a library near Rother Ham?


No, I missed her!

Bill

On Thursday, 24 September 2015 21:01:38 UTC+1, Bill Wright wrote:
nt wrote:

due to low sales. So buy elsewhere. Anything you want to buy you can pay ott for.

No it isn't. It's because the market is relatively captive. Many

peple are free to buy elsewhere

disabled and old people don't shop around. They just go back to the shop
where they bought the scooter (which probably cost them twice the price
the shop paid.)

that's their choice, they're not forced to. Overpriced goods aren't hard to find in any sector.


NT

On Thursday, 24 September 2015 21:33:02 UTC+1, Bob Eager wrote:
On Thu, 24 Sep 2015 21:12:29 +0100, Chris French wrote:
In message , Bill Wright
writes
nt wrote:

due to low sales. So buy elsewhere. Anything you want to buy you can
pay ott for.
NT

No it isn't. It's because the market is relatively captive. Many
disabled and old people don't shop around. They just go back to the shop
where they bought the scooter (which probably cost them twice the price
the shop paid.)

To be fair, a 50% markup in a shop is pretty normal

Of course. But if shop A charges £100, and shop B charges £40, something
is wrong.

It happens all the time. People routinely trade cost for convenience.


NT

"Bill Wright" wrote in message
...
GB wrote:

Very annoying! To some extent, this is just the same as any spare parts
operation - for a car, for example. There is a cost involved in stocking
*many* spare parts and only selling small numbers of each item, and
that's bound to be reflected in the price. Somebody worked out that
building a car from spare parts would cost several times the cost of a
finished car.

Not comparable.


I have no idea why your batteries are more expensive than for golf
buggies. Are you comparing with manufacturer's specific parts for named
brand buggies, or generic batteries?

Same batteries, same make, same capacity, same everything. Different
retailer.

Bill

Prices adjusted for NHS

On Thursday, 24 September 2015 19:41:01 UTC+1, Bill Wright wrote:
110Ah deep discharge battery sold through some disability industry
outlets: £149.95. Exact same battery sold for golf buggy: £60

Flightsafe device: £30. This is a three pin XLR plug with pins 1 and 2
shorted, in red plastic. This inhibits the scooter operation. Cost of
manufacture will be about £1.

115mm rubber tyred jockey wheel, 20mm bo Disability shops: £18.
Various other places: about £10.

Various scooter keys:
Shoprider on/off switch £10. This is standard plastic body toggle
switch: £1 from CPC etc.
Some old types of scooter uses a standard 1/4" jack plug, shorted out
internally, as a key. These are sold for £5 to £12 in disability shops.
Some other keys are on standard blanks and my local cobbler with turn
them out at £5 each, but if you buy from a disability shop they are
likely to be £12 to £15.


Bill

There are too many parasites making a good living in this country.
From bankers to solicitors to retailers.

/There are too many parasites making a good living in this country.
From bankers to solicitors to retailers. /Q

Tongue in cheek shurely?

Jim K

"harry" wrote in message
...
On Thursday, 24 September 2015 19:41:01 UTC+1, Bill Wright wrote:
110Ah deep discharge battery sold through some disability industry
outlets: £149.95. Exact same battery sold for golf buggy: £60

Flightsafe device: £30. This is a three pin XLR plug with pins 1 and 2
shorted, in red plastic. This inhibits the scooter operation. Cost of
manufacture will be about £1.

115mm rubber tyred jockey wheel, 20mm bo Disability shops: £18.
Various other places: about £10.

Various scooter keys:
Shoprider on/off switch £10. This is standard plastic body toggle
switch: £1 from CPC etc.
Some old types of scooter uses a standard 1/4" jack plug, shorted out
internally, as a key. These are sold for £5 to £12 in disability shops.
Some other keys are on standard blanks and my local cobbler with turn
them out at £5 each, but if you buy from a disability shop they are
likely to be £12 to £15.

There are too many parasites making a good living in this country.
From bankers to solicitors to retailers.

And arseholes like you that get everyone else to pay higher prices
for the electricity they use to pay for your utterly obscene scam.

Yes that is correct. Most companies in the low vision world tend to have
huge mark ups. Most the the cctv systems use pretty standard cameras and
other bits. The only different bit is the box they are put in. Since some of
them have been manufactured for years, one wonders how it is that prices can
be over 2000 quid for 20 quids worth of bits. I know tooling cost a are
quite hi, but...


Do you remember when wee were all told that spectacle frames were a racket
and now you can get them anywhere, but they are still a racket, just
slightly less of one than before. I bet they are churned out by the truck
load.


Don't even get me started on blind persons computers.
I always suggest a computer built by a competent small shop or similar and
shove some public domain software on it and more than halve the cost even
of the so called special offers through the disability companies.
Brian

--
From the Sofa of Brian Gaff Reply address is active
Remember, if you don't like where I post
or what I say, you don't have to
read my posts! :-)
"Bill Wright" wrote in message
...
110Ah deep discharge battery sold through some disability industry
outlets: £149.95. Exact same battery sold for golf buggy: £60

Flightsafe device: £30. This is a three pin XLR plug with pins 1 and 2
shorted, in red plastic. This inhibits the scooter operation. Cost of
manufacture will be about £1.

115mm rubber tyred jockey wheel, 20mm bo Disability shops: £18. Various
other places: about £10.

Various scooter keys:
Shoprider on/off switch £10. This is standard plastic body toggle switch:
£1 from CPC etc.
Some old types of scooter uses a standard 1/4" jack plug, shorted out
internally, as a key. These are sold for £5 to £12 in disability shops.
Some other keys are on standard blanks and my local cobbler with turn them
out at £5 each, but if you buy from a disability shop they are likely to
be £12 to £15.


Bill

On 24/09/2015 22:47, Jonno wrote:
Bill Wright scribbled


110Ah deep discharge battery sold through some disability industry
outlets: £149.95. Exact same battery sold for golf buggy: £60

Flightsafe device: £30. This is a three pin XLR plug with pins 1 and 2
shorted, in red plastic. This inhibits the scooter operation. Cost of
manufacture will be about £1.

115mm rubber tyred jockey wheel, 20mm bo Disability shops: £18.
Various other places: about £10.

Various scooter keys:
Shoprider on/off switch £10. This is standard plastic body toggle
switch: £1 from CPC etc.
Some old types of scooter uses a standard 1/4" jack plug, shorted out
internally, as a key. These are sold for £5 to £12 in disability shops.
Some other keys are on standard blanks and my local cobbler with turn
them out at £5 each, but if you buy from a disability shop they are
likely to be £12 to £15.


The rip off starts with the cost of the scooters.

It is the old rule of caveat emptor, translated let the buyer beware.
Shopping around is the first rule for any purchase these days. For
example I recently bought a GO-GO Elite scooter for £485 delivered. Two
local disabled equipment shops wanted more than £1,600. A total scandal
that I am amazed no TV company has investigated or perhaps I blinked.


--
Peter Crosland

Reply address is valid

On 25/09/15 09:17, brightside S9 wrote:
You realise that the rip off is worse than you percieve. Products
from the 'disabled shop' are VAT free, not from the 'golf shop'.

They shouldn't be selling a battery VAT free. The exemption is only
supposed to apply to equipment that has no significant non-disabled use,
and is being sold to an individual end user.

On 24/09/2015 19:40, Bill Wright wrote:
110Ah deep discharge battery sold through some disability industry
outlets: £149.95. Exact same battery sold for golf buggy: £60

Where can you get a truly deep discharge 110AH battery for £65?

On 25/09/2015 09:51, David Woolley wrote:
On 25/09/15 09:17, brightside S9 wrote:
You realise that the rip off is worse than you percieve. Products
from the 'disabled shop' are VAT free, not from the 'golf shop'.

They shouldn't be selling a battery VAT free. The exemption is only
supposed to apply to equipment that has no significant non-disabled use,
and is being sold to an individual end user.

http://webarchive.nationalarchives.g...HMCE_CL_000184

Says, "If the batteries were solely designed to operate within the
eligible item however, they would be eligible for relief."

It's the design that matters. One wonders if putting a label on the
battery "Designed for Mobility use only" would be sufficient? Especially
if there is another label saying "May damage battery or non-mobility
equipment where fitted" which is quite true.

The batteries are generally traction/deep discharge rated, so are
designed for this type of use.

In uk.d-i-y Fredxxx wrote:
On 24/09/2015 19:40, Bill Wright wrote:
110Ah deep discharge battery sold through some disability industry
outlets: £149.95. Exact same battery sold for golf buggy: £60

Where can you get a truly deep discharge 110AH battery for £65?

Yes, I was wondering that too! :-)

Something over £100 is nearer the mark for such a battery and the
really posh ones can be considerably more than that.

I bought three Leoch 12 volt 100Ah deep cycle batteries a bit over
a year ago and they were £109 each. I felt that was a very good price
too.

--
Chris Green
·

On 25/09/2015 10:29, wrote:
In uk.d-i-y Fredxxx wrote:
On 24/09/2015 19:40, Bill Wright wrote:
110Ah deep discharge battery sold through some disability industry
outlets: £149.95. Exact same battery sold for golf buggy: £60

Where can you get a truly deep discharge 110AH battery for £65?

Yes, I was wondering that too! :-)

Something over £100 is nearer the mark for such a battery and the
really posh ones can be considerably more than that.

I bought three Leoch 12 volt 100Ah deep cycle batteries a bit over
a year ago and they were £109 each. I felt that was a very good price
too.

My thoughts. Bill mentioned a 110AH battery which would have a price
premium.

Many mobility suppliers will only supply VAT free batteries if they fit
them as well. They claim it's HMRC's rules!

On 24/09/2015 20:52, Bill Wright wrote:
GB wrote:

Very annoying! To some extent, this is just the same as any spare
parts operation - for a car, for example. There is a cost involved in
stocking *many* spare parts and only selling small numbers of each
item, and that's bound to be reflected in the price. Somebody worked
out that building a car from spare parts would cost several times the
cost of a finished car.

Not comparable.

Would you care to say why?




I have no idea why your batteries are more expensive than for golf
buggies. Are you comparing with manufacturer's specific parts for
named brand buggies, or generic batteries?

Same batteries, same make, same capacity, same everything. Different
retailer.

I don't know much about golf buggies, but you can't compare generic with
manufacturer's spares. Even if they are the same product. That's because
they haven't got to have the same wide inventory for generic. So, if you
buy a battery for a top brand golf buggy from one of their dealers, how
much does that cost? Otherwise, as you say, it's not comparable.




Bill

On 24/09/2015 21:09, michael adams wrote:
"GB" wrote in message ...
On 24/09/2015 19:40, Bill Wright wrote:
110Ah deep discharge battery sold through some disability industry
outlets: £149.95. Exact same battery sold for golf buggy: £60

Flightsafe device: £30. This is a three pin XLR plug with pins 1 and 2
shorted, in red plastic. This inhibits the scooter operation. Cost of
manufacture will be about £1.

115mm rubber tyred jockey wheel, 20mm bo Disability shops: £18.
Various other places: about £10.

Various scooter keys:
Shoprider on/off switch £10. This is standard plastic body toggle
switch: £1 from CPC etc.
Some old types of scooter uses a standard 1/4" jack plug, shorted out
internally, as a key. These are sold for £5 to £12 in disability shops.
Some other keys are on standard blanks and my local cobbler with turn
them out at £5 each, but if you buy from a disability shop they are
likely to be £12 to £15.

Very annoying! To some extent, this is just the same as any spare parts operation - for
a car, for example.

But that doesn't explain why the same battery is available for a golf
buggy for 40% of the price. Or the toggle switch which is widely
available elsewhere at 1/10th of the price. Or the keys which cost
three times as much in a disabilty shop as in a key cutting
kiosk.


One possibility is that the disability shop orders the keys in from the
manufacturer. Clearly, that's not the same process as the key cutting
kiosk. For a start, you need to have the key to begin with to use the
kiosk. You'd be the first to complain if the manufacturers of the
scooter were unable to supply a key just from the ID number of the scooter.

In article , GB
wrote:
On 24/09/2015 21:09, michael adams wrote:
"GB" wrote in message
...
On 24/09/2015 19:40, Bill Wright wrote:
110Ah deep discharge battery sold through some disability industry
outlets: £149.95. Exact same battery sold for golf buggy: £60

Flightsafe device: £30. This is a three pin XLR plug with pins 1 and
2 shorted, in red plastic. This inhibits the scooter operation. Cost
of manufacture will be about £1.

115mm rubber tyred jockey wheel, 20mm bo Disability shops: £18.
Various other places: about £10.

Various scooter keys: Shoprider on/off switch £10. This is standard
plastic body toggle switch: £1 from CPC etc. Some old types of
scooter uses a standard 1/4" jack plug, shorted out internally, as a
key. These are sold for £5 to £12 in disability shops. Some other
keys are on standard blanks and my local cobbler with turn them out
at £5 each, but if you buy from a disability shop they are likely to
be £12 to £15.

Very annoying! To some extent, this is just the same as any spare
parts operation - for a car, for example.

But that doesn't explain why the same battery is available for a golf
buggy for 40% of the price. Or the toggle switch which is widely
available elsewhere at 1/10th of the price. Or the keys which cost
three times as much in a disabilty shop as in a key cutting kiosk.


One possibility is that the disability shop orders the keys in from the
manufacturer. Clearly, that's not the same process as the key cutting
kiosk. For a start, you need to have the key to begin with to use the
kiosk. You'd be the first to complain if the manufacturers of the scooter
were unable to supply a key just from the ID number of the scooter.

I can remember buying car keys from a proper locksmith by quoting the
number on another one.

--
Please note new email address:

Jonno wrote:
Bill Wright scribbled

110Ah deep discharge battery sold through some disability industry
outlets: £149.95. Exact same battery sold for golf buggy: £60

Flightsafe device: £30. This is a three pin XLR plug with pins 1 and 2
shorted, in red plastic. This inhibits the scooter operation. Cost of
manufacture will be about £1.

115mm rubber tyred jockey wheel, 20mm bo Disability shops: £18.
Various other places: about £10.

Various scooter keys:
Shoprider on/off switch £10. This is standard plastic body toggle
switch: £1 from CPC etc.
Some old types of scooter uses a standard 1/4" jack plug, shorted out
internally, as a key. These are sold for £5 to £12 in disability shops.
Some other keys are on standard blanks and my local cobbler with turn
them out at £5 each, but if you buy from a disability shop they are
likely to be £12 to £15.


The rip off starts with the cost of the scooters.


In a shop near here Hil's 'Baby Bug is £1,850. We bought if off the
internet for £780. The after sales service was fine.


In a shop near here Hil's 'Big Bug is £4,999. We bought if off the
internet for £2,100. The after sales service was fine.

Bill

On 24/09/2015 21:01, Bill Wright wrote:
wrote:

due to low sales. So buy elsewhere. Anything you want to buy you can
pay ott for.


NT

No it isn't. It's because the market is relatively captive. Many
disabled and old people don't shop around. They just go back to the shop
where they bought the scooter (which probably cost them twice the price
the shop paid.)


The market is not captive. The disabled have the SAME option as anyone
else to shop elsewhere.

This is no different to many uniformed people using the DIY sheds where
the price is often twice+ that most of us reading this group would pay.


--
mailto: news {at} admac {dot] myzen {dot} co {dot} uk

David Woolley wrote:
On 25/09/15 09:17, brightside S9 wrote:
You realise that the rip off is worse than you percieve. Products
from the 'disabled shop' are VAT free, not from the 'golf shop'.

They shouldn't be selling a battery VAT free. The exemption is only
supposed to apply to equipment that has no significant non-disabled use,
and is being sold to an individual end user.

I'm well aware of the VAT situation. You are wrong. The exemption
applies to batteries for scooters.

Bill

Fredxxx wrote:
On 25/09/2015 09:51, David Woolley wrote:
On 25/09/15 09:17, brightside S9 wrote:
You realise that the rip off is worse than you percieve. Products
from the 'disabled shop' are VAT free, not from the 'golf shop'.

They shouldn't be selling a battery VAT free. The exemption is only
supposed to apply to equipment that has no significant non-disabled use,
and is being sold to an individual end user.

http://webarchive.nationalarchives.g...HMCE_CL_000184


Says, "If the batteries were solely designed to operate within the
eligible item however, they would be eligible for relief."

It's the design that matters. One wonders if putting a label on the
battery "Designed for Mobility use only" would be sufficient? Especially
if there is another label saying "May damage battery or non-mobility
equipment where fitted" which is quite true.

The batteries are generally traction/deep discharge rated, so are
designed for this type of use.

The reality is that if you buy from a retailer selling mostly disability
kit and if you sign the declaration you don't pay the VAT. Done it loads
of times.

Bill

On 25/09/2015 12:25, Jethro_uk wrote:
IIRC there were 3 possible heights, across 6 wards for the ignition. 5
wards for the doors. This was up to 1983/4.

Ah, in the days when you had a different key for the ignition, each door
and the boot (and the petrol cap!)

On Fri, 25 Sep 2015 12:58:14 +0100, alan_m wrote:

On 24/09/2015 21:01, Bill Wright wrote:
wrote:

due to low sales. So buy elsewhere. Anything you want to buy you can
pay ott for.


NT

No it isn't. It's because the market is relatively captive. Many
disabled and old people don't shop around. They just go back to the
shop where they bought the scooter (which probably cost them twice the
price the shop paid.)


The market is not captive. The disabled have the SAME option as anyone
else to shop elsewhere.

This is no different to many uniformed people using the DIY sheds where
the price is often twice+ that most of us reading this group would pay.

That's the military, police and fire service for you! :-)

On 24/09/2015 21:07, Bill Wright wrote:

Better call at the Grand Ol Opry if ever you're in the USA. You might
get to like other C& W tracks like I Flushed You From The Toilets Of My
Heart, Get Your Tongue Outta My Mouth 'Cause I'm Kissing You Goodbye, My
John Deere Was Breaking Your Field While Your Dear John Was Breaking My
Heart, You Can't Have Your Kate And Edith Too, If You Don't Believe I
Love You Just Ask My Wife, and so on . . .

There are some quite outrageous songs on youtube too
This one from Donovan is about space travel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCpnwJQhoYY

This one by David Downing is about contentment
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a972Xk3rAxU

Enjoy!

Jim

On 25/09/2015 13:36, Richard Conway wrote:

Ah, in the days when you had a different key for the ignition, each door
and the boot (and the petrol cap!)

I have nearly got that, except that the same key fits the boot and
ignition.

It wasn't like that when I bought it, there was a different key for the
boot, but it wasn't a good fit, I had to wiggle it a bit to unlock it.
I dismantled the boot lock and found that stamped on the barrel was a
number which when I checked was the number on the ignition key.

Why the person who sold me the car had a different key for the boot, I
have no idea.

Jim

On Thursday, 24 September 2015 19:41:01 UTC+1, Bill Wright wrote:
110Ah deep discharge battery sold through some disability industry
outlets: £149.95. Exact same battery sold for golf buggy: £60

could you give the URL as proof please.
Havign just brought (2 months ago) 2 55Ah mobility scooter batts
and noting the spec differnies between golf buggy battereis short term discharge and mobility scooter batteries are NOT the exact same when I looked 3 months ago.


Yes I know things are more expensive at dedicated outlets but that's usually because of the relaively small scale they are and perhaps providing a service.

The Kirby vacuum cleaner 'shop' near me closed down a few weeks ago.



Bill

In article ,
Bob Eager wrote:
To be fair, a 50% markup in a shop is pretty normal

Of course. But if shop A charges £100, and shop B charges £40, something
is wrong. The markup must be higher in shop A.

Depends on lots of things like overheads etc.

Look at a Sainsbury local etc. You don't get the same prices or choice you
get in a larger one. They generally stick to the higher profit items. Or a
Starbuck's coffee compared to one from a backstreet cafe.

It's likely to be even more so with something like a 'disability shop' on
the high street, who aren't going to have volume sales. They need to cover
the high rates etc.

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