I've got a 1999 Honda in my driveway. It's in perfectly good shape
except for the driver's side front, where #1 son scraped the side off of
a Hyundai a couple of months ago. I need to get it under cover so I can
maybe even get some work done on it, or at least wait until business
improves enough that I can get it worked on.

Having finally gotten the driveway gate done and installed (in a rare
Oregon snow storm), I have room in the shop for the car. But the left
front suspension is mangled enough that the wheel won't roll. If the
driveway were more firmly packed I'd just put the floor jack under the
wheel and roll it with that -- but I'm afraid that it'll just sink into
the gravel/fir needle mix instead.

So -- assuming that the jack won't work, does anyone have any
suggestions? I've got a small tractor with a loader on it; if there was
some way I could get under the car to pick up that corner and pull or
push the car, I could do wonderful things -- I'm thinking maybe a bar
that engages the shipping tiedown and some strong-looking suspension
part, that extends enough that I could pick the car up with chains on
the loader.

Any other suggestions (even "don't do that, you'll be killed" guidance)
is welcome. At worst I could rent a dolly from U-haul -- but I'm trying
to figure out a way that requires zero cash layout, and still gets the
car into the warm & dry.

--

Tim Wescott
Wescott Design Services
http://www.wescottdesign.com

Do you need to implement control loops in software?
"Applied Control Theory for Embedded Systems" was written for you.
See details at http://www.wescottdesign.com/actfes/actfes.html

I would make an anchor in the concrete and drag the car with a 1.5 ton
ratchet hoist.

i

On 2011-02-28, Tim Wescott wrote:
I've got a 1999 Honda in my driveway. It's in perfectly good shape
except for the driver's side front, where #1 son scraped the side off of
a Hyundai a couple of months ago. I need to get it under cover so I can
maybe even get some work done on it, or at least wait until business
improves enough that I can get it worked on.

Having finally gotten the driveway gate done and installed (in a rare
Oregon snow storm), I have room in the shop for the car. But the left
front suspension is mangled enough that the wheel won't roll. If the
driveway were more firmly packed I'd just put the floor jack under the
wheel and roll it with that -- but I'm afraid that it'll just sink into
the gravel/fir needle mix instead.

So -- assuming that the jack won't work, does anyone have any
suggestions? I've got a small tractor with a loader on it; if there was
some way I could get under the car to pick up that corner and pull or
push the car, I could do wonderful things -- I'm thinking maybe a bar
that engages the shipping tiedown and some strong-looking suspension
part, that extends enough that I could pick the car up with chains on
the loader.

Any other suggestions (even "don't do that, you'll be killed" guidance)
is welcome. At worst I could rent a dolly from U-haul -- but I'm trying
to figure out a way that requires zero cash layout, and still gets the
car into the warm & dry.

Tim Wescott wrote:
I've got a 1999 Honda in my driveway.

(...)

Any other suggestions (even "don't do that, you'll be killed" guidance)
is welcome. At worst I could rent a dolly from U-haul -- but I'm trying
to figure out a way that requires zero cash layout, and still gets the
car into the warm & dry.

A sheet of 1" plywood placed as a surface for
your floor jack?

--Winston

Tim Wescott wrote:
I've got a 1999 Honda in my driveway. It's in perfectly good shape
except for the driver's side front, where #1 son scraped the side off of
a Hyundai a couple of months ago. I need to get it under cover so I can
maybe even get some work done on it, or at least wait until business
improves enough that I can get it worked on.

Having finally gotten the driveway gate done and installed (in a rare
Oregon snow storm), I have room in the shop for the car. But the left
front suspension is mangled enough that the wheel won't roll. If the
driveway were more firmly packed I'd just put the floor jack under the
wheel and roll it with that -- but I'm afraid that it'll just sink into
the gravel/fir needle mix instead.

So -- assuming that the jack won't work, does anyone have any
suggestions? I've got a small tractor with a loader on it; if there was
some way I could get under the car to pick up that corner and pull or
push the car, I could do wonderful things -- I'm thinking maybe a bar
that engages the shipping tiedown and some strong-looking suspension
part, that extends enough that I could pick the car up with chains on
the loader.

Any other suggestions (even "don't do that, you'll be killed" guidance)
is welcome. At worst I could rent a dolly from U-haul -- but I'm trying
to figure out a way that requires zero cash layout, and still gets the
car into the warm & dry.

Get out the gas axe and cut away everything that keeps
the wheel from rolling?

Tim Wescott wrote in
rec.crafts.metalworking on Mon, 28 Feb 2011 14:30:17 -0800:

1999 Honda in driveway. It's in perfectly good shape
#1 son scraped the side off of a
couple of months ago. I need to get it under cover so I can
maybe even get some work done on it

But the left
front suspension is mangled enough that the wheel won't roll.

What kind of equipment have you got?

I once dragged my neighbors car with my Jeep, to keep it from being
towed (too close to a driveway). I used a chain to the front hooks on
the jeep to the towing loop under their front bumper. The height
difference between the two points caused weight to be added to the
Jeep and lessened on the car.

Could you put a makeshift "ski" under the errant wheel, and drag it
over sand or gravel placed ahead of it?
Got any dollies around?

got any wood around? You might make a sled that would ride on a
greased 2X4.

Could you take the diagonally opposite wheel off and load the trunk to
make it teeter on two wheels?

--

Dan H.
northshore MA.

Tim Wescott wrote:

So -- assuming that the jack won't work, does anyone have any
suggestions?

Set the jack on a plank.

Wes
--
"Additionally as a security officer, I carry a gun to protect
government officials but my life isn't worth protecting at home
in their eyes." Dick Anthony Heller

"dan" wrote in message
...
Tim Wescott wrote in
rec.crafts.metalworking on Mon, 28 Feb 2011 14:30:17 -0800:

1999 Honda in driveway. It's in perfectly good shape
#1 son scraped the side off of a
couple of months ago. I need to get it under cover so I can
maybe even get some work done on it

But the left
front suspension is mangled enough that the wheel won't roll.

What kind of equipment have you got?

I once dragged my neighbors car with my Jeep, to keep it from being
towed (too close to a driveway). I used a chain to the front hooks on
the jeep to the towing loop under their front bumper. The height
difference between the two points caused weight to be added to the
Jeep and lessened on the car.

Could you put a makeshift "ski" under the errant wheel, and drag it
over sand or gravel placed ahead of it?
Got any dollies around?

got any wood around? You might make a sled that would ride on a
greased 2X4.

Could you take the diagonally opposite wheel off and load the trunk to
make it teeter on two wheels?

--

Dan H.
northshore MA.

IF the "bumper" on the pull vehicle is stout, and IF you have enough room,
hook the chain on to the lowest point you can get ahold of dead vehicle.
Hook other end of chain to high point on pulling vehicle "bumper". When
doing this, have vehicles touching, or put dead tire or bumper to prevent
damage. Even jack dead vehicle up on that corner. Slowly apply pressure by
pulling the pulling vehicle ahead. Chain should go diagonal, giving it a
little lift, maybe enough to shove a piece of plywood under it to keep from
gouging up the dw too bad. Other than that, some type of dolly with big
enough wheels so it won't sink into the dirt. Maybe jack it up and shove a
2 wheeler under it? Don't forget to inflate the two wheels hard. Hard to
say without seeing it. Try to get it up on something and drag it, or get a
dolly under it. Maybe in the middle of the front to hold up both front
wheels. Maybe remove the other front wheel, too? Inflate rear wheels hard,
and be sure to be in neutral. duh.

Let us know how it goes, or can you post a pic?

SteveB

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Tim Wescott wrote:

I've got a 1999 Honda in my driveway. It's in perfectly good shape
except for the driver's side front, where #1 son scraped the side off of
a Hyundai a couple of months ago. I need to get it under cover so I can
maybe even get some work done on it, or at least wait until business
improves enough that I can get it worked on.

Having finally gotten the driveway gate done and installed (in a rare
Oregon snow storm), I have room in the shop for the car. But the left
front suspension is mangled enough that the wheel won't roll. If the
driveway were more firmly packed I'd just put the floor jack under the
wheel and roll it with that -- but I'm afraid that it'll just sink into
the gravel/fir needle mix instead.

So -- assuming that the jack won't work, does anyone have any
suggestions? I've got a small tractor with a loader on it; if there was
some way I could get under the car to pick up that corner and pull or
push the car, I could do wonderful things -- I'm thinking maybe a bar
that engages the shipping tiedown and some strong-looking suspension
part, that extends enough that I could pick the car up with chains on
the loader.

Any other suggestions (even "don't do that, you'll be killed" guidance)
is welcome. At worst I could rent a dolly from U-haul -- but I'm trying
to figure out a way that requires zero cash layout, and still gets the
car into the warm & dry.

I was gonna say, put a plank on the driveway to roll the floor jack on,
but I read on - you have a _LOADER_???

Definitely, use it, assuming it'll lift the corner or even the whole
front of the car.

You won't be killed if you follow ordinary, safe work practices.

Have Fun!
Rich

On 02/28/2011 03:05 PM, Winston wrote:
Tim Wescott wrote:
I've got a 1999 Honda in my driveway.

(...)

Any other suggestions (even "don't do that, you'll be killed" guidance)
is welcome. At worst I could rent a dolly from U-haul -- but I'm trying
to figure out a way that requires zero cash layout, and still gets the
car into the warm & dry.

A sheet of 1" plywood placed as a surface for
your floor jack?

That's one of the things I can try, fer sure.

--

Tim Wescott
Wescott Design Services
http://www.wescottdesign.com

Do you need to implement control loops in software?
"Applied Control Theory for Embedded Systems" was written for you.
See details at http://www.wescottdesign.com/actfes/actfes.html

On 02/28/2011 03:13 PM, Pete Snell wrote:
Would replacing the wheel with the 'donut' spare tire get you enough
clearance to roll?

Y'know, the neat thing about polling the group for ideas is that y'all
tell me things that I'd toyed with, but forgotten. Yes -- it's worth a
try. The steering is borked, but rolling and not steering is a lot
better than not rolling.

--

Tim Wescott
Wescott Design Services
http://www.wescottdesign.com

Do you need to implement control loops in software?
"Applied Control Theory for Embedded Systems" was written for you.
See details at http://www.wescottdesign.com/actfes/actfes.html

On 02/28/2011 03:32 PM, Wes wrote:
Tim wrote:

So -- assuming that the jack won't work, does anyone have any
suggestions?

Set the jack on a plank.

That's two votes -- if the compact spare idea doesn't work, that'll do.
I'll have to keep moving the plank, 'cause I'm more than one plank's
length* away. But that's a little itty bitty problem.

* And way more than a Planck Length --
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planck_length.

--

Tim Wescott
Wescott Design Services
http://www.wescottdesign.com

Do you need to implement control loops in software?
"Applied Control Theory for Embedded Systems" was written for you.
See details at http://www.wescottdesign.com/actfes/actfes.html

On 02/28/2011 04:11 PM, Rich Grise wrote:
Tim Wescott wrote:

I've got a 1999 Honda in my driveway. It's in perfectly good shape
except for the driver's side front, where #1 son scraped the side off of
a Hyundai a couple of months ago. I need to get it under cover so I can
maybe even get some work done on it, or at least wait until business
improves enough that I can get it worked on.

Having finally gotten the driveway gate done and installed (in a rare
Oregon snow storm), I have room in the shop for the car. But the left
front suspension is mangled enough that the wheel won't roll. If the
driveway were more firmly packed I'd just put the floor jack under the
wheel and roll it with that -- but I'm afraid that it'll just sink into
the gravel/fir needle mix instead.

So -- assuming that the jack won't work, does anyone have any
suggestions? I've got a small tractor with a loader on it; if there was
some way I could get under the car to pick up that corner and pull or
push the car, I could do wonderful things -- I'm thinking maybe a bar
that engages the shipping tiedown and some strong-looking suspension
part, that extends enough that I could pick the car up with chains on
the loader.

Any other suggestions (even "don't do that, you'll be killed" guidance)
is welcome. At worst I could rent a dolly from U-haul -- but I'm trying
to figure out a way that requires zero cash layout, and still gets the
car into the warm& dry.

I was gonna say, put a plank on the driveway to roll the floor jack on,
but I read on - you have a _LOADER_???

Definitely, use it, assuming it'll lift the corner or even the whole
front of the car.

You won't be killed if you follow ordinary, safe work practices.

The loader, as is, will really mess up the front of the car -- and it's
not a very big one so I'm not sure it'll pick the damn thing up anyway.

I could make a gizmo to clamp or bolt onto the loader on one side, and
the front tie-downs on the other, but it may take more time than a plank
and a jack.

Otherwise I'd just go do it.

--

Tim Wescott
Wescott Design Services
http://www.wescottdesign.com

Do you need to implement control loops in software?
"Applied Control Theory for Embedded Systems" was written for you.
See details at http://www.wescottdesign.com/actfes/actfes.html

Tim Wescott wrote:

I've got a 1999 Honda in my driveway. It's in perfectly good shape
except for the driver's side front, where #1 son scraped the side off of
a Hyundai a couple of months ago. I need to get it under cover so I can
maybe even get some work done on it, or at least wait until business
improves enough that I can get it worked on.

Having finally gotten the driveway gate done and installed (in a rare
Oregon snow storm), I have room in the shop for the car. But the left
front suspension is mangled enough that the wheel won't roll. If the
driveway were more firmly packed I'd just put the floor jack under the
wheel and roll it with that -- but I'm afraid that it'll just sink into
the gravel/fir needle mix instead.

So -- assuming that the jack won't work, does anyone have any
suggestions? I've got a small tractor with a loader on it; if there was
some way I could get under the car to pick up that corner and pull or
push the car, I could do wonderful things -- I'm thinking maybe a bar
that engages the shipping tiedown and some strong-looking suspension
part, that extends enough that I could pick the car up with chains on
the loader.

Any other suggestions (even "don't do that, you'll be killed" guidance)
is welcome. At worst I could rent a dolly from U-haul -- but I'm trying
to figure out a way that requires zero cash layout, and still gets the
car into the warm & dry.

If the tractor is strong enough, I'd try lifting the corner with nylon
slings and towing the car along that way. Otherwise put a wood or metal
sled under the dead wheel, secured at the front of the car and just drag
the car along with the tractor, a truck, or whatever is handy.

On 2/28/2011 7:12 PM, Tim Wescott wrote:
On 02/28/2011 03:13 PM, Pete Snell wrote:
Would replacing the wheel with the 'donut' spare tire get you enough
clearance to roll?

Y'know, the neat thing about polling the group for ideas is that y'all
tell me things that I'd toyed with, but forgotten. Yes -- it's worth a
try. The steering is borked, but rolling and not steering is a lot
better than not rolling.


You might even get added clearance by putting the wheel on inside out,
so it dishes away from the hub... Depends on whether the interference
is sheet metal or suspension components...

On Feb 28, 5:30*pm, Tim Wescott wrote:


Any other suggestions (even "don't do that, you'll be killed" guidance)
is welcome. *At worst I could rent a dolly from U-haul -- but I'm trying
to figure out a way that requires zero cash layout, and still gets the
car into the warm & dry.

--

Tim Wescott


I have moved cars by jacking up with a bumper jack and then tipping
the jack in the directior I want the car to move. It is slow as you
only move the car a foot or so everytime you jack up the car.

Dan

wrote:

I have moved cars by jacking up with a bumper jack ...

The last time that I had a car that could be raised with a bumper jack
was 1958. Or maybe 1962. Bob

On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 14:30:17 -0800, Tim Wescott
wrote:

I've got a 1999 Honda in my driveway. It's in perfectly good shape
except for the driver's side front, where #1 son scraped the side off of
a Hyundai a couple of months ago. I need to get it under cover so I can
maybe even get some work done on it, or at least wait until business
improves enough that I can get it worked on.

Having finally gotten the driveway gate done and installed (in a rare
Oregon snow storm), I have room in the shop for the car. But the left
front suspension is mangled enough that the wheel won't roll. If the
driveway were more firmly packed I'd just put the floor jack under the
wheel and roll it with that -- but I'm afraid that it'll just sink into
the gravel/fir needle mix instead.

So -- assuming that the jack won't work, does anyone have any
suggestions? I've got a small tractor with a loader on it; if there was
some way I could get under the car to pick up that corner and pull or
push the car, I could do wonderful things -- I'm thinking maybe a bar
that engages the shipping tiedown and some strong-looking suspension
part, that extends enough that I could pick the car up with chains on
the loader.

Rope around the tiedowns, padding across the bumper, and a chain up to
the back of the bucket. Pick 'er up, flip 'er around, and back 'er
into the garage with that tractor in ten minutes flat.


Any other suggestions (even "don't do that, you'll be killed" guidance)
is welcome. At worst I could rent a dolly from U-haul -- but I'm trying
to figure out a way that requires zero cash layout, and still gets the
car into the warm & dry.

Got a hand truck? Pop the wheels off it, put a 1" square tube (or
whatever you have) under the jacked-up Honda unibody at the front, and
insert long bolts to hold the wheels on. Adjust angles with a jack
under the back once you get it onto the pavement.

--
Invest in America: Buy a CONgresscritter today!

"Tim Wescott" wrote in message
...
On 02/28/2011 03:05 PM, Winston wrote:
Tim Wescott wrote:
I've got a 1999 Honda in my driveway.

(...)

Any other suggestions (even "don't do that, you'll be killed" guidance)
is welcome. At worst I could rent a dolly from U-haul -- but I'm trying
to figure out a way that requires zero cash layout, and still gets the
car into the warm & dry.

A sheet of 1" plywood placed as a surface for
your floor jack?

That's one of the things I can try, fer sure.


I'd also put a strip of 12gage or so galvanized sheetmetal ontop of the
plywood ( takes two strips and you gotta keep moving one of them up to the
front )

--basically that's what Metro did when they rigged into my shop, IIRC their
machinery dollies had ball bearings ~6203 or so size six per skate and four
skates total...the heaviest machine was ~ 16000 lbs

On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 16:16:31 -0800, Tim Wescott
wrote:

On 02/28/2011 03:32 PM, Wes wrote:
Tim wrote:

So -- assuming that the jack won't work, does anyone have any
suggestions?

Set the jack on a plank.

That's two votes -- if the compact spare idea doesn't work, that'll do.
I'll have to keep moving the plank, 'cause I'm more than one plank's
length* away. But that's a little itty bitty problem.

* And way more than a Planck Length --
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planck_length.

I've moved hot tubs and all but one of my machines on overlapping 3/4
plywood and a dolly or two. dolly: 4 casters and wood.

Long ago I burnt up the engine on my Audi and a friend said he'd go
get it for me cause he needed something off of it. He put a cable
around and under the car just in front of the doors and picked it up
with a boom truck. Crushed the hell out of the body, car was newly
reconditioned.


SW

On 02/28/2011 04:43 PM, Stuart Wheaton wrote:
On 2/28/2011 7:12 PM, Tim Wescott wrote:
On 02/28/2011 03:13 PM, Pete Snell wrote:
Would replacing the wheel with the 'donut' spare tire get you enough
clearance to roll?

Y'know, the neat thing about polling the group for ideas is that y'all
tell me things that I'd toyed with, but forgotten. Yes -- it's worth a
try. The steering is borked, but rolling and not steering is a lot
better than not rolling.


You might even get added clearance by putting the wheel on inside out,
so it dishes away from the hub... Depends on whether the interference is
sheet metal or suspension components...

The update on that is that it's too borked to get even a compact spare on.

--

Tim Wescott
Wescott Design Services
http://www.wescottdesign.com

Do you need to implement control loops in software?
"Applied Control Theory for Embedded Systems" was written for you.
See details at http://www.wescottdesign.com/actfes/actfes.html

On 02/28/2011 02:30 PM, Tim Wescott wrote:
I've got a 1999 Honda in my driveway. It's in perfectly good shape
except for the driver's side front, where #1 son scraped the side off of
a Hyundai a couple of months ago. I need to get it under cover so I can
maybe even get some work done on it, or at least wait until business
improves enough that I can get it worked on.

Having finally gotten the driveway gate done and installed (in a rare
Oregon snow storm), I have room in the shop for the car. But the left
front suspension is mangled enough that the wheel won't roll. If the
driveway were more firmly packed I'd just put the floor jack under the
wheel and roll it with that -- but I'm afraid that it'll just sink into
the gravel/fir needle mix instead.

So -- assuming that the jack won't work, does anyone have any
suggestions? I've got a small tractor with a loader on it; if there was
some way I could get under the car to pick up that corner and pull or
push the car, I could do wonderful things -- I'm thinking maybe a bar
that engages the shipping tiedown and some strong-looking suspension
part, that extends enough that I could pick the car up with chains on
the loader.

Any other suggestions (even "don't do that, you'll be killed" guidance)
is welcome. At worst I could rent a dolly from U-haul -- but I'm trying
to figure out a way that requires zero cash layout, and still gets the
car into the warm & dry.

Update:

The car is now sitting in front of the door it needs to be pulled into,
waiting for the daylight, will, and strength to push it the rest of the
way into the shop by hand, or some inspiration on how to push a Honda
with a tractor without breaking it more. I think I can, with a 4x4 and
some straps, go from the drawbar to the rear tiedown point (like a
reverse tow bar). That should get it the last 60 feet or so.

As soon as that jack gets onto concrete, though, it's going to be smooth
sailing.

--

Tim Wescott
Wescott Design Services
http://www.wescottdesign.com

Do you need to implement control loops in software?
"Applied Control Theory for Embedded Systems" was written for you.
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"Stuart Wheaton" wrote


You might even get added clearance by putting the wheel on inside out, so
it dishes away from the hub... Depends on whether the interference is
sheet metal or suspension components...

I think Stuart wins best obvious simple why-didn't-I-think-of-that solution
award.

Steve

Tim Wescott wrote:
I've got a 1999 Honda in my driveway. It's in perfectly good shape
except for the driver's side front, where #1 son scraped the side off of
a Hyundai a couple of months ago. I need to get it under cover so I can
maybe even get some work done on it, or at least wait until business
improves enough that I can get it worked on.

Having finally gotten the driveway gate done and installed (in a rare
Oregon snow storm), I have room in the shop for the car. But the left
front suspension is mangled enough that the wheel won't roll. If the
driveway were more firmly packed I'd just put the floor jack under the
wheel and roll it with that -- but I'm afraid that it'll just sink into
the gravel/fir needle mix instead.

So -- assuming that the jack won't work, does anyone have any
suggestions? I've got a small tractor with a loader on it; if there was
some way I could get under the car to pick up that corner and pull or
push the car, I could do wonderful things -- I'm thinking maybe a bar
that engages the shipping tiedown and some strong-looking suspension
part, that extends enough that I could pick the car up with chains on
the loader.

Any other suggestions (even "don't do that, you'll be killed" guidance)
is welcome. At worst I could rent a dolly from U-haul -- but I'm trying
to figure out a way that requires zero cash layout, and still gets the
car into the warm & dry.


Toss a 2X12 down and run your floor jack on it. Will hold the weight
just fine.

Or borrow a fork truck.

--
Steve W.

On Feb 28, 8:39*pm, Bob Engelhardt wrote:
wrote:
I have moved cars by jacking up with a bumper jack ...

The last time that I had a car that could be raised with a bumper jack
was 1958. *Or maybe 1962. *Bob

Bottle jacks work too.

You can get a lot of leverage to roll the car with a long breaker bar
on a lug nut.

jsw

Rich Grise wrote:
Tim Wescott wrote:

I've got a 1999 Honda in my driveway. It's in perfectly good shape
except for the driver's side front, where #1 son scraped the side off of
a Hyundai a couple of months ago. I need to get it under cover so I can
maybe even get some work done on it, or at least wait until business
improves enough that I can get it worked on.

Having finally gotten the driveway gate done and installed (in a rare
Oregon snow storm), I have room in the shop for the car. But the left
front suspension is mangled enough that the wheel won't roll. If the
driveway were more firmly packed I'd just put the floor jack under the
wheel and roll it with that -- but I'm afraid that it'll just sink into
the gravel/fir needle mix instead.

So -- assuming that the jack won't work, does anyone have any
suggestions? I've got a small tractor with a loader on it; if there was
some way I could get under the car to pick up that corner and pull or
push the car, I could do wonderful things -- I'm thinking maybe a bar
that engages the shipping tiedown and some strong-looking suspension
part, that extends enough that I could pick the car up with chains on
the loader.

Any other suggestions (even "don't do that, you'll be killed" guidance)
is welcome. At worst I could rent a dolly from U-haul -- but I'm trying
to figure out a way that requires zero cash layout, and still gets the
car into the warm& dry.

I was gonna say, put a plank on the driveway to roll the floor jack on,
but I read on - you have a _LOADER_???

Definitely, use it, assuming it'll lift the corner or even the whole
front of the car.

You won't be killed if you follow ordinary, safe work practices.

Have Fun!
Rich



A nice helium weather balloon hooked to the fender.



John

I had a problem with some stranger who habitually parked in my spot in
an underground carpark, ignoring polite notes left under his/her
windscreen wiper not to do it.
I had to do something about it, but didn't want to mark the car if
possible. The answer was 2 trolley jacks - one under the rear
differential, one under the engine cross-member. With a friend, it was
remarkably easy to move it out of my bay. In fact, it was so easy, we
moved it to the far end of the carpark and placed it out of sight around
a corner. I made particular efforts so it was difficult to access,
without the trolley jacks. So there it was, unscratched and wedged
between some columns.
I never had the car in my spot again. Hope I messed with his mind a bit,
too.

"Jordan" wrote in message
pond.com...
I had a problem with some stranger who habitually parked in my spot in an
underground carpark, ignoring polite notes left under his/her windscreen
wiper not to do it.
I had to do something about it, but didn't want to mark the car if
possible. The answer was 2 trolley jacks - one under the rear
differential, one under the engine cross-member. With a friend, it was
remarkably easy to move it out of my bay. In fact, it was so easy, we
moved it to the far end of the carpark and placed it out of sight around a
corner. I made particular efforts so it was difficult to access, without
the trolley jacks. So there it was, unscratched and wedged between some
columns.
I never had the car in my spot again. Hope I messed with his mind a bit,
too.

You sound like someone who would appreciate a prank we pulled on a
(disliked) teacher in high school. We had a light pole and a flag pole on
school grounds that were spaced apart exactly the length of an Austin-Healey
3000 (which he drove), plus maybe 2 inches. So about a dozen of us picked up
his car and placed it neatly between the poles.

It was still there at 9:00 PM that day, but it was gone the next morning. We
never did find out how he got it out of there. d8-)

--
Ed Huntress

On 2/28/2011 6:56 PM, Steve W. wrote:
Tim Wescott wrote:
I've got a 1999 Honda in my driveway. It's in perfectly good shape
except for the driver's side front, where #1 son scraped the side off
of a Hyundai a couple of months ago. I need to get it under cover so I
can maybe even get some work done on it, or at least wait until
business improves enough that I can get it worked on.

Having finally gotten the driveway gate done and installed (in a rare
Oregon snow storm), I have room in the shop for the car. But the left
front suspension is mangled enough that the wheel won't roll. If the
driveway were more firmly packed I'd just put the floor jack under the
wheel and roll it with that -- but I'm afraid that it'll just sink
into the gravel/fir needle mix instead.

So -- assuming that the jack won't work, does anyone have any
suggestions? I've got a small tractor with a loader on it; if there
was some way I could get under the car to pick up that corner and pull
or push the car, I could do wonderful things -- I'm thinking maybe a
bar that engages the shipping tiedown and some strong-looking
suspension part, that extends enough that I could pick the car up with
chains on the loader.

Any other suggestions (even "don't do that, you'll be killed"
guidance) is welcome. At worst I could rent a dolly from U-haul -- but
I'm trying to figure out a way that requires zero cash layout, and
still gets the car into the warm & dry.


a real simple solution - get a pair of the harbor frieght wheel dollies
that are supposed to let you push a car around inside the garage - put
one under the damaged wheel and just drive it into the garage
--
www.wbnoble.com

"Tim Wescott" wrote in message
...
I've got a 1999 Honda in my driveway. It's in perfectly
good shape except for the driver's side front, where #1
son scraped the side off of a Hyundai a couple of months
ago. I need to get it under cover so I can maybe even get
some work done on it, or at least wait until business
improves enough that I can get it worked on.

Having finally gotten the driveway gate done and installed
(in a rare Oregon snow storm), I have room in the shop for
the car. But the left front suspension is mangled enough
that the wheel won't roll. If the driveway were more
firmly packed I'd just put the floor jack under the wheel
and roll it with that -- but I'm afraid that it'll just
sink into the gravel/fir needle mix instead.

So -- assuming that the jack won't work, does anyone have
any suggestions? I've got a small tractor with a loader
on it; if there was some way I could get under the car to
pick up that corner and pull or push the car, I could do
wonderful things -- I'm thinking maybe a bar that engages
the shipping tiedown and some strong-looking suspension
part, that extends enough that I could pick the car up
with chains on the loader.

Any other suggestions (even "don't do that, you'll be
killed" guidance) is welcome. At worst I could rent a
dolly from U-haul -- but I'm trying to figure out a way
that requires zero cash layout, and still gets the car
into the warm & dry.

--


TW:

I once moved a very large storage shed by jacking it up and
putting pipes
underneath it; rolled nicely on to the new foundation. If
you have enough
strong cylinders, levitate, put a piece of ply or plate
under the wheel and
cylinders under that. As you run past a trailing cylinder,
put it in front and
continue pushing. Because of your soil substrate, it sounds
like you'll need
a piece of ply or plate on that too.

Regards,

Edward Hennessey


Tim Wescott
Wescott Design Services
http://www.wescottdesign.com

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On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 22:57:19 -0500, "Ed Huntress"
wrote:


"Jordan" wrote in message
gpond.com...
I had a problem with some stranger who habitually parked in my spot in an
underground carpark, ignoring polite notes left under his/her windscreen
wiper not to do it.
I had to do something about it, but didn't want to mark the car if
possible. The answer was 2 trolley jacks - one under the rear
differential, one under the engine cross-member. With a friend, it was
remarkably easy to move it out of my bay. In fact, it was so easy, we
moved it to the far end of the carpark and placed it out of sight around a
corner. I made particular efforts so it was difficult to access, without
the trolley jacks. So there it was, unscratched and wedged between some
columns.
I never had the car in my spot again. Hope I messed with his mind a bit,
too.

You sound like someone who would appreciate a prank we pulled on a
(disliked) teacher in high school. We had a light pole and a flag pole on
school grounds that were spaced apart exactly the length of an Austin-Healey
3000 (which he drove), plus maybe 2 inches. So about a dozen of us picked up
his car and placed it neatly between the poles.

It was still there at 9:00 PM that day, but it was gone the next morning. We
never did find out how he got it out of there. d8-)
One of the students who ate at the boarding house always came late for
lunch so he wouldn't have to give anyone a ride back to class. One day
he came out to find his Morris Minor parked on the front porch. The
landlady convinced us to put it back on the street the next weekend.
Gerry :-)}
London, Canada

"Tim Wescott" wrote in message
...

Having finally gotten the driveway gate done and installed (in a rare
Oregon snow storm)


That actually was a pretty wild one...very fast accumulation...

We left here to Longview--shopped at the WinCo store there for about an
hour...roads were perfectly clear, but by the the time we got back onto I-5
south it was insane, 6 inches here we got stuck on Todd rd I had to walk a
mile appx to get my 4x4 silverado and finally towed the POS Honda home

On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 22:57:19 -0500, "Ed Huntress"
wrote:


"Jordan" wrote in message
gpond.com...
I had a problem with some stranger who habitually parked in my spot in an
underground carpark, ignoring polite notes left under his/her windscreen
wiper not to do it.
I had to do something about it, but didn't want to mark the car if
possible. The answer was 2 trolley jacks - one under the rear
differential, one under the engine cross-member. With a friend, it was
remarkably easy to move it out of my bay. In fact, it was so easy, we
moved it to the far end of the carpark and placed it out of sight around a
corner. I made particular efforts so it was difficult to access, without
the trolley jacks. So there it was, unscratched and wedged between some
columns.
I never had the car in my spot again. Hope I messed with his mind a bit,
too.

You sound like someone who would appreciate a prank we pulled on a
(disliked) teacher in high school. We had a light pole and a flag pole on
school grounds that were spaced apart exactly the length of an Austin-Healey
3000 (which he drove), plus maybe 2 inches. So about a dozen of us picked up
his car and placed it neatly between the poles.

It was still there at 9:00 PM that day, but it was gone the next morning. We
never did find out how he got it out of there. d8-)

My Mini ended up un the sidewalk many a time, and "big frank"'s mini
was set on the front steps of the school at least once, and left
sandwiched between 2 cars at least once - bumpers only an inch or two
from the doors of both cars. We manhandled it out sideways without
scratching either car.

The guys put a female teacher's MGB up on blocks with the tires just
1/4 inch off the ground one night after detention.

At the country school where my uncles went, they pushed the teachers
VW beetle up a snow-drift, and using a couple of planks, onto the roof
- then removed the planks and shovelled some snow. The car was up
there for close to a week.

And one day I left my Mini - locked, in gear, with the handbrake on -
out in front of the main building at a campground and came back a few
hours later to find it in the bush on the far side of the pond.
Apparently my "friends" had a lot of fun carrying it through a corn
field and over an old fence and a few logs - which I promptly grove it
through and over on the way out!

wrote in message
...
On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 22:57:19 -0500, "Ed Huntress"
wrote:


"Jordan" wrote in message
igpond.com...
I had a problem with some stranger who habitually parked in my spot in an
underground carpark, ignoring polite notes left under his/her windscreen
wiper not to do it.
I had to do something about it, but didn't want to mark the car if
possible. The answer was 2 trolley jacks - one under the rear
differential, one under the engine cross-member. With a friend, it was
remarkably easy to move it out of my bay. In fact, it was so easy, we
moved it to the far end of the carpark and placed it out of sight around
a
corner. I made particular efforts so it was difficult to access, without
the trolley jacks. So there it was, unscratched and wedged between some
columns.
I never had the car in my spot again. Hope I messed with his mind a bit,
too.

You sound like someone who would appreciate a prank we pulled on a
(disliked) teacher in high school. We had a light pole and a flag pole on
school grounds that were spaced apart exactly the length of an
Austin-Healey
3000 (which he drove), plus maybe 2 inches. So about a dozen of us picked
up
his car and placed it neatly between the poles.

It was still there at 9:00 PM that day, but it was gone the next morning.
We
never did find out how he got it out of there. d8-)

My Mini ended up un the sidewalk many a time, and "big frank"'s mini
was set on the front steps of the school at least once, and left
sandwiched between 2 cars at least once - bumpers only an inch or two
from the doors of both cars. We manhandled it out sideways without
scratching either car.

The guys put a female teacher's MGB up on blocks with the tires just
1/4 inch off the ground one night after detention.

At the country school where my uncles went, they pushed the teachers
VW beetle up a snow-drift, and using a couple of planks, onto the roof
- then removed the planks and shovelled some snow. The car was up
there for close to a week.

And one day I left my Mini - locked, in gear, with the handbrake on -
out in front of the main building at a campground and came back a few
hours later to find it in the bush on the far side of the pond.
Apparently my "friends" had a lot of fun carrying it through a corn
field and over an old fence and a few logs - which I promptly grove it
through and over on the way out!

Jeez, you need a better class of friends. d8-)

--
Ed Huntress

A pallet jack and a sheet of plywood