110Ah deep discharge battery sold through some disability industry
outlets: £149.95. Exact same battery sold for golf buggy: £60

Flightsafe device: £30. This is a three pin XLR plug with pins 1 and 2
shorted, in red plastic. This inhibits the scooter operation. Cost of
manufacture will be about £1.

115mm rubber tyred jockey wheel, 20mm bo Disability shops: £18.
Various other places: about £10.

Various scooter keys:
Shoprider on/off switch £10. This is standard plastic body toggle
switch: £1 from CPC etc.
Some old types of scooter uses a standard 1/4" jack plug, shorted out
internally, as a key. These are sold for £5 to £12 in disability shops.
Some other keys are on standard blanks and my local cobbler with turn
them out at £5 each, but if you buy from a disability shop they are
likely to be £12 to £15.


Bill

On 24/09/2015 19:40, Bill Wright wrote:
110Ah deep discharge battery sold through some disability industry
outlets: £149.95. Exact same battery sold for golf buggy: £60

Flightsafe device: £30. This is a three pin XLR plug with pins 1 and 2
shorted, in red plastic. This inhibits the scooter operation. Cost of
manufacture will be about £1.

115mm rubber tyred jockey wheel, 20mm bo Disability shops: £18.
Various other places: about £10.

Various scooter keys:
Shoprider on/off switch £10. This is standard plastic body toggle
switch: £1 from CPC etc.
Some old types of scooter uses a standard 1/4" jack plug, shorted out
internally, as a key. These are sold for £5 to £12 in disability shops.
Some other keys are on standard blanks and my local cobbler with turn
them out at £5 each, but if you buy from a disability shop they are
likely to be £12 to £15.

Very annoying! To some extent, this is just the same as any spare parts
operation - for a car, for example. There is a cost involved in stocking
*many* spare parts and only selling small numbers of each item, and
that's bound to be reflected in the price. Somebody worked out that
building a car from spare parts would cost several times the cost of a
finished car.

I have no idea why your batteries are more expensive than for golf
buggies. Are you comparing with manufacturer's specific parts for named
brand buggies, or generic batteries?

"GB" wrote in message
...
On 24/09/2015 19:40, Bill Wright wrote:
110Ah deep discharge battery sold through some disability industry
outlets: £149.95. Exact same battery sold for golf buggy: £60

Flightsafe device: £30. This is a three pin XLR plug with pins 1 and 2
shorted, in red plastic. This inhibits the scooter operation. Cost of
manufacture will be about £1.

115mm rubber tyred jockey wheel, 20mm bo Disability shops: £18.
Various other places: about £10.

Various scooter keys:
Shoprider on/off switch £10. This is standard plastic body toggle
switch: £1 from CPC etc.
Some old types of scooter uses a standard 1/4" jack plug, shorted out
internally, as a key. These are sold for £5 to £12 in disability shops.
Some other keys are on standard blanks and my local cobbler with turn
them out at £5 each, but if you buy from a disability shop they are
likely to be £12 to £15.

Very annoying! To some extent, this is just the same as any spare parts
operation - for a car, for example. There is a cost involved in stocking
*many* spare parts and only selling small numbers of each item, and that's
bound to be reflected in the price.



Somebody worked out that building a car from spare parts would cost
several times the cost of a finished car.


That was Johnny Cash AICMFP.



--
Adam

On 24/09/2015 20:04, ARW wrote:

Somebody worked out that building a car from spare parts would cost
several times the cost of a finished car.


That was Johnny Cash AICMFP.

My favourite country and Johnny Cash record

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWHniL8MyMM

--
Mark
Please replace invalid and invalid with gmx and net to reply.

Mark Carver wrote:


That was Johnny Cash AICMFP.

My favourite country and Johnny Cash record

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWHniL8MyMM


Better call at the Grand Ol Opry if ever you're in the USA. You might
get to like other C & W tracks like I Flushed You From The Toilets Of My
Heart, Get Your Tongue Outta My Mouth 'Cause I'm Kissing You Goodbye, My
John Deere Was Breaking Your Field While Your Dear John Was Breaking My
Heart, You Can't Have Your Kate And Edith Too, If You Don't Believe I
Love You Just Ask My Wife, and so on . . .

Bill

On Thu, 24 Sep 2015 21:07:08 +0100, Bill Wright
wrote:

Mark Carver wrote:


That was Johnny Cash AICMFP.

My favourite country and Johnny Cash record

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWHniL8MyMM


Better call at the Grand Ol Opry if ever you're in the USA. You might
get to like other C & W tracks like I Flushed You From The Toilets Of My
Heart, Get Your Tongue Outta My Mouth 'Cause I'm Kissing You Goodbye, My
John Deere Was Breaking Your Field While Your Dear John Was Breaking My
Heart, You Can't Have Your Kate And Edith Too, If You Don't Believe I
Love You Just Ask My Wife, and so on . . .

Bill

I expect you'll have met Dolly Parton at a library near Rother Ham?

--

Graham.

%Profound_observation%

On 24/09/2015 21:07, Bill Wright wrote:

Better call at the Grand Ol Opry if ever you're in the USA. You might
get to like other C& W tracks like I Flushed You From The Toilets Of My
Heart, Get Your Tongue Outta My Mouth 'Cause I'm Kissing You Goodbye, My
John Deere Was Breaking Your Field While Your Dear John Was Breaking My
Heart, You Can't Have Your Kate And Edith Too, If You Don't Believe I
Love You Just Ask My Wife, and so on . . .

There are some quite outrageous songs on youtube too
This one from Donovan is about space travel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCpnwJQhoYY

This one by David Downing is about contentment
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a972Xk3rAxU

Enjoy!

Jim

"Bill Wright" wrote in message
...
Mark Carver wrote:


That was Johnny Cash AICMFP.

My favourite country and Johnny Cash record

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWHniL8MyMM


Better call at the Grand Ol Opry if ever you're in the USA. You might get
to like other C & W tracks like I Flushed You From The Toilets Of My
Heart, Get Your Tongue Outta My Mouth 'Cause I'm Kissing You Goodbye, My
John Deere Was Breaking Your Field While Your Dear John Was Breaking My
Heart, You Can't Have Your Kate And Edith Too, If You Don't Believe I Love
You Just Ask My Wife, and so on . . .

Ah, some of the old classics, my fav is, 'I shaved my back for this?'

On Thu, 24 Sep 2015 20:04:35 +0100, ARW wrote:

"GB" wrote in message
...
On 24/09/2015 19:40, Bill Wright wrote:
110Ah deep discharge battery sold through some disability industry
outlets: £149.95. Exact same battery sold for golf buggy: £60

Flightsafe device: £30. This is a three pin XLR plug with pins 1 and 2
shorted, in red plastic. This inhibits the scooter operation. Cost of
manufacture will be about £1.

115mm rubber tyred jockey wheel, 20mm bo Disability shops: £18.
Various other places: about £10.

Various scooter keys:
Shoprider on/off switch £10. This is standard plastic body toggle
switch: £1 from CPC etc.
Some old types of scooter uses a standard 1/4" jack plug, shorted out
internally, as a key. These are sold for £5 to £12 in disability
shops.
Some other keys are on standard blanks and my local cobbler with turn
them out at £5 each, but if you buy from a disability shop they are
likely to be £12 to £15.

Very annoying! To some extent, this is just the same as any spare parts
operation - for a car, for example. There is a cost involved in
stocking *many* spare parts and only selling small numbers of each
item, and that's bound to be reflected in the price.



Somebody worked out that building a car from spare parts would cost
several times the cost of a finished car.


That was Johnny Cash AICMFP.

Well, the parts cost home nothing in the song!

On Thu, 24 Sep 2015 20:04:35 +0100, ARW wrote:

"GB" wrote in message
...
On 24/09/2015 19:40, Bill Wright wrote:
110Ah deep discharge battery sold through some disability industry
outlets: £149.95. Exact same battery sold for golf buggy: £60

Flightsafe device: £30. This is a three pin XLR plug with pins 1 and 2
shorted, in red plastic. This inhibits the scooter operation. Cost of
manufacture will be about £1.

115mm rubber tyred jockey wheel, 20mm bo Disability shops: £18.
Various other places: about £10.

Various scooter keys:
Shoprider on/off switch £10. This is standard plastic body toggle
switch: £1 from CPC etc.
Some old types of scooter uses a standard 1/4" jack plug, shorted out
internally, as a key. These are sold for £5 to £12 in disability shops.
Some other keys are on standard blanks and my local cobbler with turn
them out at £5 each, but if you buy from a disability shop they are
likely to be £12 to £15.

Very annoying! To some extent, this is just the same as any spare parts
operation - for a car, for example. There is a cost involved in stocking
*many* spare parts and only selling small numbers of each item, and that's
bound to be reflected in the price.



Somebody worked out that building a car from spare parts would cost
several times the cost of a finished car.


That was Johnny Cash AICMFP.

Johnny Cash didn't have access to Ebay.

--
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If you keep the sexual harassment complaint forms in the bottom drawer, then when a woman gets one out you'll get a great view of her arse.

GB wrote:

Very annoying! To some extent, this is just the same as any spare parts
operation - for a car, for example. There is a cost involved in stocking
*many* spare parts and only selling small numbers of each item, and
that's bound to be reflected in the price. Somebody worked out that
building a car from spare parts would cost several times the cost of a
finished car.

Not comparable.


I have no idea why your batteries are more expensive than for golf
buggies. Are you comparing with manufacturer's specific parts for named
brand buggies, or generic batteries?

Same batteries, same make, same capacity, same everything. Different
retailer.

Bill

"Bill Wright" wrote in message
...
GB wrote:

Very annoying! To some extent, this is just the same as any spare parts
operation - for a car, for example. There is a cost involved in stocking
*many* spare parts and only selling small numbers of each item, and
that's bound to be reflected in the price. Somebody worked out that
building a car from spare parts would cost several times the cost of a
finished car.

Not comparable.


I have no idea why your batteries are more expensive than for golf
buggies. Are you comparing with manufacturer's specific parts for named
brand buggies, or generic batteries?

Same batteries, same make, same capacity, same everything. Different
retailer.

Bill

Prices adjusted for NHS

On 24/09/2015 20:52, Bill Wright wrote:
GB wrote:

Very annoying! To some extent, this is just the same as any spare
parts operation - for a car, for example. There is a cost involved in
stocking *many* spare parts and only selling small numbers of each
item, and that's bound to be reflected in the price. Somebody worked
out that building a car from spare parts would cost several times the
cost of a finished car.

Not comparable.

Would you care to say why?




I have no idea why your batteries are more expensive than for golf
buggies. Are you comparing with manufacturer's specific parts for
named brand buggies, or generic batteries?

Same batteries, same make, same capacity, same everything. Different
retailer.

I don't know much about golf buggies, but you can't compare generic with
manufacturer's spares. Even if they are the same product. That's because
they haven't got to have the same wide inventory for generic. So, if you
buy a battery for a top brand golf buggy from one of their dealers, how
much does that cost? Otherwise, as you say, it's not comparable.




Bill

GB wrote:

I don't know much about golf buggies, but you can't compare generic with
manufacturer's spares. Even if they are the same product. That's because
they haven't got to have the same wide inventory for generic. So, if you
buy a battery for a top brand golf buggy from one of their dealers, how
much does that cost? Otherwise, as you say, it's not comparable.

So basically you are saying that a battery made by Exide, for instance,
and bought by a golf firm for fitting in their buggies, is in some way
different to the next battery off the line, which is bought by a
disability outfit to fit in their products?

We are talking absolutely identical products here.

Bill

In article , Bill Wright
wrote:
GB wrote:

I don't know much about golf buggies, but you can't compare generic
with manufacturer's spares. Even if they are the same product. That's
because they haven't got to have the same wide inventory for generic.
So, if you buy a battery for a top brand golf buggy from one of their
dealers, how much does that cost? Otherwise, as you say, it's not
comparable.

So basically you are saying that a battery made by Exide, for instance,
and bought by a golf firm for fitting in their buggies, is in some way
different to the next battery off the line, which is bought by a
disability outfit to fit in their products?

We are talking absolutely identical products here.

In the distant days when I had a Ford Anglia, I discovered that the starter
was the identical Lucas part to that used in the Mini. But it cost
significantly less as a Ford spare rather than a UniPart one. I had friends
with Minis and we compared notes.

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On Fri, 25 Sep 2015 16:12:00 +0100, Bill Wright wrote:

GB wrote:

I don't know much about golf buggies, but you can't compare generic with
manufacturer's spares. Even if they are the same product. That's because
they haven't got to have the same wide inventory for generic. So, if you
buy a battery for a top brand golf buggy from one of their dealers, how
much does that cost? Otherwise, as you say, it's not comparable.

So basically you are saying that a battery made by Exide, for instance,
and bought by a golf firm for fitting in their buggies, is in some way
different to the next battery off the line, which is bought by a
disability outfit to fit in their products?

We are talking absolutely identical products here.

Why are you buying the parts from a disability shop if you can get them cheaper elsewhere?

--
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I've had problems with the police. - Keith Richards

On 25/09/2015 16:12, Bill Wright wrote:
GB wrote:

I don't know much about golf buggies, but you can't compare generic
with manufacturer's spares. Even if they are the same product. That's
because they haven't got to have the same wide inventory for generic.
So, if you buy a battery for a top brand golf buggy from one of their
dealers, how much does that cost? Otherwise, as you say, it's not
comparable.

So basically you are saying that a battery made by Exide, for instance,
and bought by a golf firm for fitting in their buggies, is in some way
different to the next battery off the line, which is bought by a
disability outfit to fit in their products?

No, that's absolutely not what I said!

I said that if you buy a 'genuine' part from a dealer network (for
virtually anything) it will be more expensive than the same part from a
generic parts dealer. Apart from anything else, the
dealers/manufacturers have an obligation to provide a wide range of
parts for a period of years, whereas the generic shop can simply ignore
any low turnover parts.



We are talking absolutely identical products here.

Even so.


Bill

"Bill Wright" wrote in message
...
GB wrote:

Very annoying! To some extent, this is just the same as any spare parts
operation - for a car, for example. There is a cost involved in stocking
*many* spare parts and only selling small numbers of each item, and
that's bound to be reflected in the price. Somebody worked out that
building a car from spare parts would cost several times the cost of a
finished car.

Not comparable.


I have no idea why your batteries are more expensive than for golf
buggies. Are you comparing with manufacturer's specific parts for named
brand buggies, or generic batteries?

Same batteries, same make, same capacity, same everything. Different
retailer.




Ever owned a snake and gone into a reptile/pet shop for a 60W lamp to keep
the snake warm?

£4.99 in the pet shop for something I pay about £1 for at the wholesalers
and £1.50 for at a shed.


--
Adam

"GB" wrote in message ...
On 24/09/2015 19:40, Bill Wright wrote:
110Ah deep discharge battery sold through some disability industry
outlets: £149.95. Exact same battery sold for golf buggy: £60

Flightsafe device: £30. This is a three pin XLR plug with pins 1 and 2
shorted, in red plastic. This inhibits the scooter operation. Cost of
manufacture will be about £1.

115mm rubber tyred jockey wheel, 20mm bo Disability shops: £18.
Various other places: about £10.

Various scooter keys:
Shoprider on/off switch £10. This is standard plastic body toggle
switch: £1 from CPC etc.
Some old types of scooter uses a standard 1/4" jack plug, shorted out
internally, as a key. These are sold for £5 to £12 in disability shops.
Some other keys are on standard blanks and my local cobbler with turn
them out at £5 each, but if you buy from a disability shop they are
likely to be £12 to £15.

Very annoying! To some extent, this is just the same as any spare parts operation - for
a car, for example.

But that doesn't explain why the same battery is available for a golf
buggy for 40% of the price. Or the toggle switch which is widely
available elsewhere at 1/10th of the price. Or the keys which cost
three times as much in a disabilty shop as in a key cutting
kiosk.



michael adams

....

On 24/09/2015 21:09, michael adams wrote:
"GB" wrote in message ...
On 24/09/2015 19:40, Bill Wright wrote:
110Ah deep discharge battery sold through some disability industry
outlets: £149.95. Exact same battery sold for golf buggy: £60

Flightsafe device: £30. This is a three pin XLR plug with pins 1 and 2
shorted, in red plastic. This inhibits the scooter operation. Cost of
manufacture will be about £1.

115mm rubber tyred jockey wheel, 20mm bo Disability shops: £18.
Various other places: about £10.

Various scooter keys:
Shoprider on/off switch £10. This is standard plastic body toggle
switch: £1 from CPC etc.
Some old types of scooter uses a standard 1/4" jack plug, shorted out
internally, as a key. These are sold for £5 to £12 in disability shops.
Some other keys are on standard blanks and my local cobbler with turn
them out at £5 each, but if you buy from a disability shop they are
likely to be £12 to £15.

Very annoying! To some extent, this is just the same as any spare parts operation - for
a car, for example.

But that doesn't explain why the same battery is available for a golf
buggy for 40% of the price. Or the toggle switch which is widely
available elsewhere at 1/10th of the price. Or the keys which cost
three times as much in a disabilty shop as in a key cutting
kiosk.


One possibility is that the disability shop orders the keys in from the
manufacturer. Clearly, that's not the same process as the key cutting
kiosk. For a start, you need to have the key to begin with to use the
kiosk. You'd be the first to complain if the manufacturers of the
scooter were unable to supply a key just from the ID number of the scooter.

In article , GB
wrote:
On 24/09/2015 21:09, michael adams wrote:
"GB" wrote in message
...
On 24/09/2015 19:40, Bill Wright wrote:
110Ah deep discharge battery sold through some disability industry
outlets: £149.95. Exact same battery sold for golf buggy: £60

Flightsafe device: £30. This is a three pin XLR plug with pins 1 and
2 shorted, in red plastic. This inhibits the scooter operation. Cost
of manufacture will be about £1.

115mm rubber tyred jockey wheel, 20mm bo Disability shops: £18.
Various other places: about £10.

Various scooter keys: Shoprider on/off switch £10. This is standard
plastic body toggle switch: £1 from CPC etc. Some old types of
scooter uses a standard 1/4" jack plug, shorted out internally, as a
key. These are sold for £5 to £12 in disability shops. Some other
keys are on standard blanks and my local cobbler with turn them out
at £5 each, but if you buy from a disability shop they are likely to
be £12 to £15.

Very annoying! To some extent, this is just the same as any spare
parts operation - for a car, for example.

But that doesn't explain why the same battery is available for a golf
buggy for 40% of the price. Or the toggle switch which is widely
available elsewhere at 1/10th of the price. Or the keys which cost
three times as much in a disabilty shop as in a key cutting kiosk.


One possibility is that the disability shop orders the keys in from the
manufacturer. Clearly, that's not the same process as the key cutting
kiosk. For a start, you need to have the key to begin with to use the
kiosk. You'd be the first to complain if the manufacturers of the scooter
were unable to supply a key just from the ID number of the scooter.

I can remember buying car keys from a proper locksmith by quoting the
number on another one.

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On Fri, 25 Sep 2015 12:11:59 +0100, charles wrote:

In article , GB
wrote:
On 24/09/2015 21:09, michael adams wrote:
"GB" wrote in message
...
On 24/09/2015 19:40, Bill Wright wrote:
110Ah deep discharge battery sold through some disability industry
outlets: £149.95. Exact same battery sold for golf buggy: £60

Flightsafe device: £30. This is a three pin XLR plug with pins 1 and
2 shorted, in red plastic. This inhibits the scooter operation. Cost
of manufacture will be about £1.

115mm rubber tyred jockey wheel, 20mm bo Disability shops: £18.
Various other places: about £10.

Various scooter keys: Shoprider on/off switch £10. This is standard
plastic body toggle switch: £1 from CPC etc. Some old types of
scooter uses a standard 1/4" jack plug, shorted out internally, as a
key. These are sold for £5 to £12 in disability shops. Some other
keys are on standard blanks and my local cobbler with turn them out
at £5 each, but if you buy from a disability shop they are likely to
be £12 to £15.

Very annoying! To some extent, this is just the same as any spare
parts operation - for a car, for example.

But that doesn't explain why the same battery is available for a golf
buggy for 40% of the price. Or the toggle switch which is widely
available elsewhere at 1/10th of the price. Or the keys which cost
three times as much in a disabilty shop as in a key cutting kiosk.


One possibility is that the disability shop orders the keys in from the
manufacturer. Clearly, that's not the same process as the key cutting
kiosk. For a start, you need to have the key to begin with to use the
kiosk. You'd be the first to complain if the manufacturers of the scooter
were unable to supply a key just from the ID number of the scooter.

I can remember buying car keys from a proper locksmith by quoting the
number on another one.

My Range Rover car key would open and start any Range Rover. Which I did once by mistake until I saw his gloves on the dash and got out rather quickly before I got arrested.

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On 25/09/2015 12:25, Jethro_uk wrote:
IIRC there were 3 possible heights, across 6 wards for the ignition. 5
wards for the doors. This was up to 1983/4.

Ah, in the days when you had a different key for the ignition, each door
and the boot (and the petrol cap!)

GB wrote:

One possibility is that the disability shop orders the keys in from the
manufacturer. Clearly, that's not the same process as the key cutting
kiosk. For a start, you need to have the key to begin with to use the
kiosk. You'd be the first to complain if the manufacturers of the
scooter were unable to supply a key just from the ID number of the scooter.

It's the same key for all the scooters in that series. You say which
scooter it is and they sell you a key.

Bill

In uk.d-i-y Bill Wright wrote:
GB wrote:

One possibility is that the disability shop orders the keys in from the
manufacturer. Clearly, that's not the same process as the key cutting
kiosk. For a start, you need to have the key to begin with to use the
kiosk. You'd be the first to complain if the manufacturers of the
scooter were unable to supply a key just from the ID number of the scooter.

It's the same key for all the scooters in that series. You say which
scooter it is and they sell you a key.

That's like most tractors believe it or not.

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·

On Thursday, 24 September 2015 19:41:01 UTC+1, Bill Wright wrote:
110Ah deep discharge battery sold through some disability industry
outlets: £149.95. Exact same battery sold for golf buggy: £60

Flightsafe device: £30. This is a three pin XLR plug with pins 1 and 2
shorted, in red plastic. This inhibits the scooter operation. Cost of
manufacture will be about £1.

115mm rubber tyred jockey wheel, 20mm bo Disability shops: £18.
Various other places: about £10.

Various scooter keys:
Shoprider on/off switch £10. This is standard plastic body toggle
switch: £1 from CPC etc.
Some old types of scooter uses a standard 1/4" jack plug, shorted out
internally, as a key. These are sold for £5 to £12 in disability shops.
Some other keys are on standard blanks and my local cobbler with turn
them out at £5 each, but if you buy from a disability shop they are
likely to be £12 to £15.

due to low sales. So buy elsewhere. Anything you want to buy you can pay ott for.


NT

wrote:

due to low sales. So buy elsewhere. Anything you want to buy you can pay ott for.


NT

No it isn't. It's because the market is relatively captive. Many
disabled and old people don't shop around. They just go back to the shop
where they bought the scooter (which probably cost them twice the price
the shop paid.)

Bill

In message , Bill Wright
writes
wrote:

due to low sales. So buy elsewhere. Anything you want to buy you can
pay ott for.
NT

No it isn't. It's because the market is relatively captive. Many
disabled and old people don't shop around. They just go back to the
shop where they bought the scooter (which probably cost them twice the
price the shop paid.)

To be fair, a 50% markup in a shop is pretty normal
--
Chris French

On Thu, 24 Sep 2015 21:12:29 +0100, Chris French wrote:

In message , Bill Wright
writes
wrote:

due to low sales. So buy elsewhere. Anything you want to buy you can
pay ott for.
NT

No it isn't. It's because the market is relatively captive. Many
disabled and old people don't shop around. They just go back to the shop
where they bought the scooter (which probably cost them twice the price
the shop paid.)

To be fair, a 50% markup in a shop is pretty normal

Of course. But if shop A charges £100, and shop B charges £40, something
is wrong. The markup must be higher in shop A.

On Thursday, 24 September 2015 21:33:02 UTC+1, Bob Eager wrote:
On Thu, 24 Sep 2015 21:12:29 +0100, Chris French wrote:
In message , Bill Wright
writes
nt wrote:

due to low sales. So buy elsewhere. Anything you want to buy you can
pay ott for.
NT

No it isn't. It's because the market is relatively captive. Many
disabled and old people don't shop around. They just go back to the shop
where they bought the scooter (which probably cost them twice the price
the shop paid.)

To be fair, a 50% markup in a shop is pretty normal

Of course. But if shop A charges £100, and shop B charges £40, something
is wrong.

It happens all the time. People routinely trade cost for convenience.


NT

In article ,
Bob Eager wrote:
To be fair, a 50% markup in a shop is pretty normal

Of course. But if shop A charges £100, and shop B charges £40, something
is wrong. The markup must be higher in shop A.

Depends on lots of things like overheads etc.

Look at a Sainsbury local etc. You don't get the same prices or choice you
get in a larger one. They generally stick to the higher profit items. Or a
Starbuck's coffee compared to one from a backstreet cafe.

It's likely to be even more so with something like a 'disability shop' on
the high street, who aren't going to have volume sales. They need to cover
the high rates etc.

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On Thursday, 24 September 2015 21:33:02 UTC+1, Bob Eager wrote:
On Thu, 24 Sep 2015 21:12:29 +0100, Chris French wrote:

In message , Bill Wright
writes
wrote:

due to low sales. So buy elsewhere. Anything you want to buy you can
pay ott for.
NT

No it isn't. It's because the market is relatively captive. Many
disabled and old people don't shop around. They just go back to the shop
where they bought the scooter (which probably cost them twice the price
the shop paid.)

To be fair, a 50% markup in a shop is pretty normal

Of course. But if shop A charges £100, and shop B charges £40, something
is wrong. The markup must be higher in shop A.

Maybe not. Perhaps shop A only sells small volumes and does not get the big supplier discounts that shop B gets.

Perhaps also a specialist shop like A has a relatively small turnover and big overheads.

Robert

On Thursday, 24 September 2015 21:01:38 UTC+1, Bill Wright wrote:
nt wrote:

due to low sales. So buy elsewhere. Anything you want to buy you can pay ott for.

No it isn't. It's because the market is relatively captive. Many

peple are free to buy elsewhere

disabled and old people don't shop around. They just go back to the shop
where they bought the scooter (which probably cost them twice the price
the shop paid.)

that's their choice, they're not forced to. Overpriced goods aren't hard to find in any sector.


NT

On 24/09/2015 21:01, Bill Wright wrote:
wrote:

due to low sales. So buy elsewhere. Anything you want to buy you can
pay ott for.


NT

No it isn't. It's because the market is relatively captive. Many
disabled and old people don't shop around. They just go back to the shop
where they bought the scooter (which probably cost them twice the price
the shop paid.)


The market is not captive. The disabled have the SAME option as anyone
else to shop elsewhere.

This is no different to many uniformed people using the DIY sheds where
the price is often twice+ that most of us reading this group would pay.


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On Fri, 25 Sep 2015 12:58:14 +0100, alan_m wrote:

On 24/09/2015 21:01, Bill Wright wrote:
wrote:

due to low sales. So buy elsewhere. Anything you want to buy you can
pay ott for.


NT

No it isn't. It's because the market is relatively captive. Many
disabled and old people don't shop around. They just go back to the
shop where they bought the scooter (which probably cost them twice the
price the shop paid.)


The market is not captive. The disabled have the SAME option as anyone
else to shop elsewhere.

This is no different to many uniformed people using the DIY sheds where
the price is often twice+ that most of us reading this group would pay.

That's the military, police and fire service for you! :-)

On Thursday, 24 September 2015 19:41:01 UTC+1, Bill Wright wrote:
110Ah deep discharge battery sold through some disability industry
outlets: £149.95. Exact same battery sold for golf buggy: £60

Flightsafe device: £30. This is a three pin XLR plug with pins 1 and 2
shorted, in red plastic. This inhibits the scooter operation. Cost of
manufacture will be about £1.

115mm rubber tyred jockey wheel, 20mm bo Disability shops: £18.
Various other places: about £10.

Various scooter keys:
Shoprider on/off switch £10. This is standard plastic body toggle
switch: £1 from CPC etc.
Some old types of scooter uses a standard 1/4" jack plug, shorted out
internally, as a key. These are sold for £5 to £12 in disability shops.
Some other keys are on standard blanks and my local cobbler with turn
them out at £5 each, but if you buy from a disability shop they are
likely to be £12 to £15.


Bill

There are too many parasites making a good living in this country.
From bankers to solicitors to retailers.

/There are too many parasites making a good living in this country.
From bankers to solicitors to retailers. /Q

Tongue in cheek shurely?

Jim K

"harry" wrote in message
...
On Thursday, 24 September 2015 19:41:01 UTC+1, Bill Wright wrote:
110Ah deep discharge battery sold through some disability industry
outlets: £149.95. Exact same battery sold for golf buggy: £60

Flightsafe device: £30. This is a three pin XLR plug with pins 1 and 2
shorted, in red plastic. This inhibits the scooter operation. Cost of
manufacture will be about £1.

115mm rubber tyred jockey wheel, 20mm bo Disability shops: £18.
Various other places: about £10.

Various scooter keys:
Shoprider on/off switch £10. This is standard plastic body toggle
switch: £1 from CPC etc.
Some old types of scooter uses a standard 1/4" jack plug, shorted out
internally, as a key. These are sold for £5 to £12 in disability shops.
Some other keys are on standard blanks and my local cobbler with turn
them out at £5 each, but if you buy from a disability shop they are
likely to be £12 to £15.

There are too many parasites making a good living in this country.
From bankers to solicitors to retailers.

And arseholes like you that get everyone else to pay higher prices
for the electricity they use to pay for your utterly obscene scam.

Yes that is correct. Most companies in the low vision world tend to have
huge mark ups. Most the the cctv systems use pretty standard cameras and
other bits. The only different bit is the box they are put in. Since some of
them have been manufactured for years, one wonders how it is that prices can
be over 2000 quid for 20 quids worth of bits. I know tooling cost a are
quite hi, but...


Do you remember when wee were all told that spectacle frames were a racket
and now you can get them anywhere, but they are still a racket, just
slightly less of one than before. I bet they are churned out by the truck
load.


Don't even get me started on blind persons computers.
I always suggest a computer built by a competent small shop or similar and
shove some public domain software on it and more than halve the cost even
of the so called special offers through the disability companies.
Brian

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"Bill Wright" wrote in message
...
110Ah deep discharge battery sold through some disability industry
outlets: £149.95. Exact same battery sold for golf buggy: £60

Flightsafe device: £30. This is a three pin XLR plug with pins 1 and 2
shorted, in red plastic. This inhibits the scooter operation. Cost of
manufacture will be about £1.

115mm rubber tyred jockey wheel, 20mm bo Disability shops: £18. Various
other places: about £10.

Various scooter keys:
Shoprider on/off switch £10. This is standard plastic body toggle switch:
£1 from CPC etc.
Some old types of scooter uses a standard 1/4" jack plug, shorted out
internally, as a key. These are sold for £5 to £12 in disability shops.
Some other keys are on standard blanks and my local cobbler with turn them
out at £5 each, but if you buy from a disability shop they are likely to
be £12 to £15.


Bill

On 24/09/2015 19:40, Bill Wright wrote:
110Ah deep discharge battery sold through some disability industry
outlets: £149.95. Exact same battery sold for golf buggy: £60

Where can you get a truly deep discharge 110AH battery for £65?