In article ,
ARW wrote:

Check the price of one resistor at Maplin. ;-)

Check it all you want, it will be out of stock:-)

Be fair -- it will be in stock, but for quantities of (2) or
more they'll have to order them specially
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On 27/09/2015 23:08, Indy Jess John wrote:
On 27/09/2015 22:18, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:

It's speed limit +10mph.
Not everywhere. There are some speed cameras that register an offence
if you are doing 34mph or more in a 30mph limit. Some were in north Wales.

Jim

They can do you for 31 in a 30 limit if they want to.
The evidence needs a bit more effort with calibration, etc.

The allowance is just to ease the job of the police.

"Mike" wrote in message
...
In article ,
ARW wrote:

Check the price of one resistor at Maplin. ;-)

Check it all you want, it will be out of stock:-)

Be fair -- it will be in stock, but for quantities of (2) or
more they'll have to order them specially


Nice one.

:-)))))))).




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Adam

Adrian wrote:

Oh, and since 2011, the net migration total is 176k

Net migration is a an irrelevance to one of the main problems, which is
the cultural effects of large numbers of extremely alien people coming here.

My own personal preference is that I like to be surrounded by those of
my own ilk.

Bill

"whisky-dave" wrote in message
...
On Sunday, 27 September 2015 22:43:42 UTC+1, Jim Thomas wrote:
"Tough Guy no. 1265" wrote in message
news
On Sun, 27 Sep 2015 21:45:57 +0100, Jim Thomas wrote:



"Tough Guy no. 1265" wrote in message
news On Sun, 27 Sep 2015 20:40:48 +0100, Bill Wright
wrote:

Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:

I am rather bored with this now, but I have been involved with
small
business retail all my life and I can tell you that 1,000%
mark-ups
are
never necessary. This is 'charging what you can get away with',
also
known as 'charging what the market will stand'. It is the
exploiting
of
a local monopoly made possible indirectly by the customers'
disability
and age.

Yeah right, that's why small businesses go bankrupt easily.

No, that's usually because of changing patterns of trade, out of
town
supermarkets, ridiculous parking restrictions used as a means of
getting
revenue, refusal of older proprietors to change with the times,
outrageous rate demands, etc.

If you sell less stuff, you need to make more profit on each item. I
think your problem is that you think everyone is out to get you. Why
do
disabled people think this way? From what I've seen most folk go out
of
their way to help you lot.

They clearly don't with the prices they charge
for what they sell them with retail operations.

Small shop big price, nothing to do with disabled.

The prices they charge for what the disabled use
are much higher than with other small shops.

Could be down to supply and demand,

Yeah, very likely. I've never actually been in
one but it wouldn't surprising me if the volume
of customers in most of them isn't that great.

And I don't mean that they are all skinny
as opposed to obscenely obese.

left handed sissors are for the disabled ;-)

Nope, for the freaks.

"whisky-dave" wrote in message
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On Sunday, 27 September 2015 22:45:42 UTC+1, Jim Thomas wrote:
"Tough Guy no. 1265" wrote in message
news
On Sun, 27 Sep 2015 21:51:39 +0100, Jim Thomas wrote:



"Tough Guy no. 1265" wrote in message
news On Sun, 27 Sep 2015 20:43:31 +0100, Jim Thomas wrote:



"Tough Guy no. 1265" wrote in message
news On Sun, 27 Sep 2015 20:10:04 +0100, Jim Thomas
wrote:



"Tough Guy no. 1265" wrote in message
news On Sun, 27 Sep 2015 17:31:40 +0100, charles

wrote:

In article , ARW
wrote:
"Tough Guy no. 1265" wrote in message
news On Sat, 26 Sep 2015 21:02:23 +0100, Bill Wright

wrote:

Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:

A good service the disabled should be doing for the whole
country
is
getting rid of speedbumps. They're illegally
discriminating
against
the disabled. My Aunt has severe spine problems and can't
go
over
them at any speed.

Yes I know someone who has to take a long route to her
mother's
because of that.

In Rotherham a common way to induce a birth is for the woman
to
stand
up in her boyfriend's van whilst he roars around the
roadhump
strewn
streets. This has been known to make the baby plop out.

(That was a joke by the way)

What annoys me is the amount of money my council spends
redoing
streets
with potholes, which are a tenth of the size of the
speedbumps.
Why
do they bother?

Speed bumps? What a stupid name. They cause you to slow down.

same with the phrase "near miss" which ia actually a near hit -
but
a
complete miss.

Agreed, that always makes me laugh. Explaining the above doesn't
seem
to
help when I dodge traffic at high speed and frighten the
passenger
though.

"The knack to flying is learning how to throw yourself at the
ground
and
miss."

You don't throw yourself at the ground.

Why not?

Because it works much better to do it the right way.

It's only carrier landings where the pilot does anything
like throw the plane at the ground and they don't miss,
they hit it where they need to hit it instead.

You might be thrown at the ground unintentionally.

That isn't throwing yourself at the ground.

Maybe you had to to avoid the plane you're dogfighting.

You don't throw yourself at the ground when dogfighting
and there is no dogfighting anymore anyway.

Maybe he's getting confused with dogging.

He's got cats and parrots, not dogs, silly.

On Sun, 27 Sep 2015 23:17:27 +0100, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:

On Sun, 27 Sep 2015 23:08:06 +0100, Indy Jess John
wrote:

On 27/09/2015 22:18, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:

It's speed limit +10mph.
Not everywhere. There are some speed cameras that register an offence
if you are doing 34mph or more in a 30mph limit. Some were in north
Wales.

North Wales has an arsehole (more than police usually are) of a
****stable. In fact he'd do you for 31. In more civilised areas, they
use +10mph. And higher if there are many speeders, so they get "the
cream of the crop".

That was certainly the attitude with regard to the settings used on the
M25 speed cameras back in the days of photographic film technology when
the trip point was set at speed limit plus 20mph after they discovered
that the film would be all used up by 9:30 or so due to the Monday
morning rush hour volume of traffic when they'd been set to the usual
speed limit plus 10% plus 2mph. They realised very swiftly that it was
better to save film in order to catch the worst offenders who were
otherwise escaping prosecution.

I doubt any modern digital speed cameras are set with such a generous
allowance any more. Provided the police force can afford the costs of
maintaining the tighter (provable in a court) +/- 1mph tolerance error
limit, you do risk prosecution if you include the +2mph allowance in your
calculated 'speedometer' target speed which is why I suggested it might
be best to exclude this final +2mph from your calculations and be content
with doing 10% more than the calibrated speed of the posted/implied limit.

For example, if you've ascertained that your true speed of 30mph on a
level road in windless conditions[1] shows as 33mph on the speedo (a
fairly typical error[2]), your target indicated speed would be 36mph
(implying a 0.3mph shortfall on the limit).

[1] The manufacturers (car makers or speedometer suppliers depending on
who is actually liable for providing/fitting defective speedometers) are
allowed a calibration error of +/- 10%. No manufacturer wants to risk
prosecution for being outside of that tolerance range so they tend to
play it safe by aiming for a +10/ -0% reading calibration tolerance since
they're only likely to face prosecution as a result of a speeding ticket
being issued to someone wealthy enough to buy an 'on the ball' barrister
who *will* unearth such out of tolerance speed indicating equipment.

There's also the pressure on the car makers to prefer over-reading
speedometers on the basis that their customers' testing of the car's
speed performance claims will be more easily met (and even exceeded)
without the need to place undue stress on engine and transmission
components. I don't believe there has ever been a case of prosecution for
supplying a speedometer that over-reads the true speed in excess of the
+/-10% tolerance allowed in law.

[2] Even with the best will in the world, it's practically impossible to
calibrate the classic gearbox output shaft driven speedometer to better
than +/-2% due to the variables introduced by slippage between the tyre's
contact patch with the road surface which varies not only with the road
surface quality itself but also on the design of the tyre and the amount
of driving/breaking torque required to maintain speed both uphill and
downhill, factors that are also speed dependent.

The legislation might seem to provide a rather generous tolerance but it
has to encompass not only manufacturing tolerances but also a whole bunch
of operational/environmental tolerances (changes in calibration due to
speed and the extremes of travelling uphill against a galeforce headwind
and travelling downhill with a galeforce tailwind for examples) and then
err on the side of the motorist to make any such speeding prosecutions as
'safe' (and unquestionable) as possible.

The give or take 10% is also a nice round figure, easily digestible by
the most technology averse magistrates and judges you might ever find in
charge of a court of law. In courts of law, it's always best to keep any
mathematics as simple as possible in order to expedite the proceedings
with minimal ambiguity over the end result - there'll be enough
recriminations afterwards no matter the outcome.

--
Johnny B Good

On Mon, 28 Sep 2015 20:52:58 +0100, Johnny B Good wrote:

On Sun, 27 Sep 2015 23:17:27 +0100, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:

On Sun, 27 Sep 2015 23:08:06 +0100, Indy Jess John
wrote:

On 27/09/2015 22:18, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:

It's speed limit +10mph.
Not everywhere. There are some speed cameras that register an offence
if you are doing 34mph or more in a 30mph limit. Some were in north
Wales.

North Wales has an arsehole (more than police usually are) of a
****stable. In fact he'd do you for 31. In more civilised areas, they
use +10mph. And higher if there are many speeders, so they get "the
cream of the crop".

That was certainly the attitude with regard to the settings used on the
M25 speed cameras back in the days of photographic film technology when
the trip point was set at speed limit plus 20mph after they discovered
that the film would be all used up by 9:30 or so due to the Monday
morning rush hour volume of traffic when they'd been set to the usual
speed limit plus 10% plus 2mph. They realised very swiftly that it was
better to save film in order to catch the worst offenders who were
otherwise escaping prosecution.

I doubt any modern digital speed cameras are set with such a generous
allowance any more. Provided the police force can afford the costs of
maintaining the tighter (provable in a court) +/- 1mph tolerance error
limit, you do risk prosecution if you include the +2mph allowance in your
calculated 'speedometer' target speed which is why I suggested it might
be best to exclude this final +2mph from your calculations and be content
with doing 10% more than the calibrated speed of the posted/implied limit.

For example, if you've ascertained that your true speed of 30mph on a
level road in windless conditions[1] shows as 33mph on the speedo (a
fairly typical error[2]), your target indicated speed would be 36mph
(implying a 0.3mph shortfall on the limit).

[1] The manufacturers (car makers or speedometer suppliers depending on
who is actually liable for providing/fitting defective speedometers) are
allowed a calibration error of +/- 10%. No manufacturer wants to risk
prosecution for being outside of that tolerance range so they tend to
play it safe by aiming for a +10/ -0% reading calibration tolerance since
they're only likely to face prosecution as a result of a speeding ticket
being issued to someone wealthy enough to buy an 'on the ball' barrister
who *will* unearth such out of tolerance speed indicating equipment.

There's also the pressure on the car makers to prefer over-reading
speedometers on the basis that their customers' testing of the car's
speed performance claims will be more easily met (and even exceeded)
without the need to place undue stress on engine and transmission
components. I don't believe there has ever been a case of prosecution for
supplying a speedometer that over-reads the true speed in excess of the
+/-10% tolerance allowed in law.

[2] Even with the best will in the world, it's practically impossible to
calibrate the classic gearbox output shaft driven speedometer to better
than +/-2% due to the variables introduced by slippage between the tyre's
contact patch with the road surface which varies not only with the road
surface quality itself but also on the design of the tyre and the amount
of driving/breaking torque required to maintain speed both uphill and
downhill, factors that are also speed dependent.

The legislation might seem to provide a rather generous tolerance but it
has to encompass not only manufacturing tolerances but also a whole bunch
of operational/environmental tolerances (changes in calibration due to
speed and the extremes of travelling uphill against a galeforce headwind
and travelling downhill with a galeforce tailwind for examples) and then
err on the side of the motorist to make any such speeding prosecutions as
'safe' (and unquestionable) as possible.

The give or take 10% is also a nice round figure, easily digestible by
the most technology averse magistrates and judges you might ever find in
charge of a court of law. In courts of law, it's always best to keep any
mathematics as simple as possible in order to expedite the proceedings
with minimal ambiguity over the end result - there'll be enough
recriminations afterwards no matter the outcome.

The best thing to do is to speed as fast as possible right up to the camera, then jam your brakes on hard, causing the person behind you to shunt you. Then they get into ****, and it increases the number of accidents near cameras. Preferably use the handbrake and gears so they don't see your brakelights.

--
What do you call 4 sheep tied to a post in Wales?
A leisure centre!

On Mon, 28 Sep 2015 20:48:49 +0100, Jim Thomas wrote:



"whisky-dave" wrote in message
...
On Sunday, 27 September 2015 22:45:42 UTC+1, Jim Thomas wrote:
"Tough Guy no. 1265" wrote in message
news On Sun, 27 Sep 2015 21:51:39 +0100, Jim Thomas wrote:



"Tough Guy no. 1265" wrote in message
news On Sun, 27 Sep 2015 20:43:31 +0100, Jim Thomas wrote:



"Tough Guy no. 1265" wrote in message
news On Sun, 27 Sep 2015 20:10:04 +0100, Jim Thomas
wrote:



"Tough Guy no. 1265" wrote in message
news On Sun, 27 Sep 2015 17:31:40 +0100, charles

wrote:

In article , ARW
wrote:
"Tough Guy no. 1265" wrote in message
news On Sat, 26 Sep 2015 21:02:23 +0100, Bill Wright

wrote:

Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:

A good service the disabled should be doing for the whole
country
is
getting rid of speedbumps. They're illegally
discriminating
against
the disabled. My Aunt has severe spine problems and can't
go
over
them at any speed.

Yes I know someone who has to take a long route to her
mother's
because of that.

In Rotherham a common way to induce a birth is for the woman
to
stand
up in her boyfriend's van whilst he roars around the
roadhump
strewn
streets. This has been known to make the baby plop out.

(That was a joke by the way)

What annoys me is the amount of money my council spends
redoing
streets
with potholes, which are a tenth of the size of the
speedbumps.
Why
do they bother?

Speed bumps? What a stupid name. They cause you to slow down.

same with the phrase "near miss" which ia actually a near hit -
but
a
complete miss.

Agreed, that always makes me laugh. Explaining the above doesn't
seem
to
help when I dodge traffic at high speed and frighten the
passenger
though.

"The knack to flying is learning how to throw yourself at the
ground
and
miss."

You don't throw yourself at the ground.

Why not?

Because it works much better to do it the right way.

It's only carrier landings where the pilot does anything
like throw the plane at the ground and they don't miss,
they hit it where they need to hit it instead.

You might be thrown at the ground unintentionally.

That isn't throwing yourself at the ground.

Maybe you had to to avoid the plane you're dogfighting.

You don't throw yourself at the ground when dogfighting
and there is no dogfighting anymore anyway.

Maybe he's getting confused with dogging.

He's got cats and parrots, not dogs, silly.

African Greys do it doggie style. Macaws don't.

--
I want to die peacefully, in my sleep, like my Uncle Bob. Not screaming in terror like his passengers...

On Mon, 28 Sep 2015 20:46:56 +0100, Jim Thomas wrote:



"whisky-dave" wrote in message
...
On Sunday, 27 September 2015 22:43:42 UTC+1, Jim Thomas wrote:
"Tough Guy no. 1265" wrote in message
news On Sun, 27 Sep 2015 21:45:57 +0100, Jim Thomas wrote:



"Tough Guy no. 1265" wrote in message
news On Sun, 27 Sep 2015 20:40:48 +0100, Bill Wright
wrote:

Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:

I am rather bored with this now, but I have been involved with
small
business retail all my life and I can tell you that 1,000%
mark-ups
are
never necessary. This is 'charging what you can get away with',
also
known as 'charging what the market will stand'. It is the
exploiting
of
a local monopoly made possible indirectly by the customers'
disability
and age.

Yeah right, that's why small businesses go bankrupt easily.

No, that's usually because of changing patterns of trade, out of
town
supermarkets, ridiculous parking restrictions used as a means of
getting
revenue, refusal of older proprietors to change with the times,
outrageous rate demands, etc.

If you sell less stuff, you need to make more profit on each item. I
think your problem is that you think everyone is out to get you. Why
do
disabled people think this way? From what I've seen most folk go out
of
their way to help you lot.

They clearly don't with the prices they charge
for what they sell them with retail operations.

Small shop big price, nothing to do with disabled.

The prices they charge for what the disabled use
are much higher than with other small shops.

Could be down to supply and demand,

Yeah, very likely. I've never actually been in
one but it wouldn't surprising me if the volume
of customers in most of them isn't that great.

And I don't mean that they are all skinny
as opposed to obscenely obese.

ROTFPMSL!

left handed sissors are for the disabled ;-)

Nope, for the freaks.

Indeed.

--
Peter is listening to "The club can't handle me - Flo Rida feat. David Guetta"

On 28/09/2015 20:52, Johnny B Good wrote:

I doubt any modern digital speed cameras are set with such a generous
allowance any more. Provided the police force can afford the costs of
maintaining the tighter (provable in a court) +/- 1mph tolerance error
limit,

Speedos are -10% +0%

If it reads 32 you *are* speeding.

"dennis@home" wrote in message
eb.com...
On 28/09/2015 20:52, Johnny B Good wrote:

I doubt any modern digital speed cameras are set with such a generous
allowance any more. Provided the police force can afford the costs of
maintaining the tighter (provable in a court) +/- 1mph tolerance error
limit,

Speedos are -10% +0%

If it reads 32 you *are* speeding.


Knobhead


--
Adam

On Mon, 28 Sep 2015 17:22:49 +0100, dennis@home wrote:

On 27/09/2015 23:08, Indy Jess John wrote:
On 27/09/2015 22:18, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:

It's speed limit +10mph.
Not everywhere. There are some speed cameras that register an offence
if you are doing 34mph or more in a 30mph limit. Some were in north
Wales.

Jim

They can do you for 31 in a 30 limit if they want to.
The evidence needs a bit more effort with calibration, etc.

The allowance is just to ease the job of the police.

As I've already explained, the +/-10% allowance isn't for the benefit of
the police, it's for the benefit of the equipment makers (and the hapless
motorist dependant upon an instrument he is forced to place his trust
in). It's the +/-2mph that's for the benefit of the police, provided they
can prove the calibration worthiness of their measuring devices along
with their correct usage.

That **** of a North Wales Chief Police Constable, determined to drive
the more wealthy tourist away by the stupidity of "A zero tolerance"
speeding ticket mentality" was not doing his fellow North Welsh citizens
any favours let alone the visiting tourists he felt obliged to attack
when they came up against a confusing plethora of seemingly random and
arbitrary speed limits along largely open country non-urban roads[1].

What's worse is that the magistrates colluded in this 'zero tolerance'
nonsense when they failed to demonstrate good common sense when presented
with a case involving a speeding offence where the recorded speed was a
mere 35mph in a 30mph zone (right on the +10% +2mph allowance limit).

In the days before the curse of speed cameras (yes, I've been riding and
driving the roads for *that* long!), any motorist who managed to get
caught speeding only had themselves to blame for not paying enough
attention to the task of driving safely let alone for failing to spot the
police car in their wake in ample time to make sure they were driving
within the speed limit of the section of road they were on. I think I've
only had to blame my own self negligence twice in almost half a century
of riding/driving the nation's roads. :-)

[1] The tone of this missive quite clearly indicates that I've suffered
from this victimization campaign. I'm not one to hang around but neither
am I one to drive recklessly (as a rule) and take heed of the speed
limits, particularly when travelling on the highways and byways of North
Wales, so I was particularly surprised to receive a NIP for exceeding the
30 limit on a trip back home from North Wales, a journey I remember
taking particular care to avoid breaking the random collection of speed
limits placed along my homeward route.

Since they'd only managed to clock me as doing 35mph (probably in the
first ten yard stretch after the 30mph limit sign by means of a a hidden
mobile speed camera), I was given the option of doing a speed awareness
course in lieu of a fine and 3 points. Just coincidentally, the cost of
the course happened to be the same as the fine (£60) but it was a no-
brainer to take this option since it saved me accumulating 3 points on my
licence.

--
Johnny B Good

On 28/09/15 14:45, Adrian wrote:
On Mon, 28 Sep 2015 14:17:39 +0100, DJC wrote:

Especially in London and the SE, rental yields are laughably low. 2% is
optimistic in many parts of London. People are buying to let solely
because of the prospect of future capital growth - if they've even done
the sums, rather than just think "Ooh, I can make a lot of money..."

You omit the effect of gearing by buying with a mortgage and being able
to set mortgage interest against tax €” until it is phased out by 2020.
For a higher rate taxpayer that 2% return could be nearer 10%.

Umm, hardly, since even the very highest rate taxpayer is still actually
seeing over half of the interest payments come out of their own pocket.

Get charged £10k in interest, and pay 40% tax, you'll pay £6k directly,
and have the other £4k set against income.

Or you would have. Now you'll get £2.5k set against income, and pay the
other £7.5k directly.

But if you have a mortgage you have not invested the full value of the
property, so the ROI is on the capital you put in. But you get to keep
100% of any capital appreciation. And as rents (and house prices) rise
with inflation (at least in the long run) your investment is near enough
indexed linked.


--
DJC
(–€Ì¿Ä¹Ì¯–€Ì¿ Ì¿)

On 28/09/2015 10:47, NY wrote:

Ah, like the infamous linked lights on the A4 in Slough that were set to
keep traffic moving at about 30 mph; if you drove at 20 or 40 you hit every
light at red, whereas if you drove at 30 then once you got through the first
light, all the rest would be at green for you. I heard that someone worked
out that if you drove at 80 you also hit green on every light - and I bet
the ton-up boys on their motorbikes took advantage of that late at night :-)

The irritating thing about the Slough linked lights was that most of
them were on a derestricted road, so it was legal to drive at any speed
but the lights and signs tried to keep you to just under 30mph. If you
drove at exactly 30mph, eventually you found a light on red which
changed to green just as you stopped.

At the time I tried it, I had a car that could only get to 80mph
downhill with the wind behind, but I did find that at 70mph I got five
greens and then a red. Good enough, I thought.

Jim

"Bill Wright" wrote in message
...
Adrian wrote:

Oh, and since 2011, the net migration total is 176k

Net migration is a an irrelevance to one of the main problems, which is
the cultural effects of large numbers of extremely alien people coming
here.

My own personal preference is that I like to be surrounded by those of my
own ilk.

You're in a minority on that tho. Even you lot are into currys
now and that wouldnt have happened without immigrants.

On 27/09/2015 21:31, Rod Speed wrote:

The real reason small businesses go bankrupt easily is because
there are more trying to make a go of it than the market can
support. So the worst of them go bust.

A business vacates a shop and another takes it over. The first thing
they do is take out all the fixtures and fittings and put new ones in,
and some perfectly serviceable stuff gets smashed up and put in a skip
outside.

That cost money. And while it is going on the shop sells nothing and
gets no income, so the shop refitting is done with loans. Small wonder
that some fail. And then somebody else comes along and removed the
previous fixtures and fittings that might be only 6 months old, to put
in new ones.

Why don't they reuse what is there?

Jim

Indy Jess John wrote
Rod Speed wrote

The real reason small businesses go bankrupt easily is
because there are more trying to make a go of it than
the market can support. So the worst of them go bust.

A business vacates a shop and another takes it over. The first thing
they do is take out all the fixtures and fittings and put new ones in,

Not necessarily, most obviously with petrol
stations and smaller independent supermarkets.

and some perfectly serviceable stuff gets
smashed up and put in a skip outside.

The ones that have gone bust that I know of
have sold all that stuff as part of going bust.

That cost money.

But isn't the reason the first one went bust.

And while it is going on the shop sells nothing and gets
no income, so the shop refitting is done with loans.

Not necessarily. Quite a few fund that with the wad of money
they get when they leave their job as a salaried employee.

Small wonder that some fail. And then somebody else
comes along and removed the previous fixtures and fittings
that might be only 6 months old, to put in new ones.

There aren't all that many that only last that long.

Why don't they reuse what is there?

Sometimes that is because they are franchise operations
that enforce a standard look across all their franchisees.

The small independent retailers often do reuse what is there.

Operations like pubs and restaurants often don't
because they want to make it obvious that there
has been a change of management. And they don't
last long anyway, for the reason I listed originally.

wrote in message ...
In uk.d-i-y Rod Speed wrote:


wrote in message ...
In uk.d-i-y Rod Speed wrote:
Speed bumps? What a stupid name. They cause you to slow down.

I've never fathomed out why something which mounts to an
obstruction or fault in the road can contribute to road safety.

Presumably you actually are that stupid.

You don't get safety oil slicks to slow you
down so why have 'safety bumps'?

Because they do stop most of the traffic going
as fast as they would if they weren't there.

...and a patch of ice with a sign won't do that?

Much more difficult to maintain a patch of ice with
a sign on it to get people to slow down than to use
speed bumps which even you should have noticed
tend to last quite a bit longer than a patch of ice.

That isn't really the point I was making. A patch of ice
is regarded as dangerous, whether with a sign or not.

But doesnt necessarily see most slow down.

Why isn't a huge bump in the
road regarded as dangerous?

Because it isn't dangerous.

I'm not suggesting that a patch of ice be actually used.

Mike wrote:

To a point, yes. Your comment on "exactly the same
batteries" strikes a chord with me -- sourcing replacements
for a relative. The fitted batteries were "special
disability batteries that you can't get elsewhere".

snip

Very interesting.

Bill

Rod Speed wrote:

My own personal preference is that I like to be surrounded by those of
my own ilk.

You're in a minority on that tho.

No, it's basic human nature.

Even you lot are into currys
now

I will be tomorrow because the washing machine's gone tits up.

Bill

On Mon, 28 Sep 2015 23:04:16 +0100, DJC wrote:

But if you have a mortgage you have not invested the full value of the
property, so the ROI is on the capital you put in.

Nope. You've still put the full purchase price in - it's just that you've
had to borrow much of it.

And as rents (and house prices) rise with inflation (at least in the
long run) your investment is near enough indexed linked.

That's a... novel... opinion.

I wonder if it's historically accurate...?

Bill Wright wrote
Rod Speed wrote

My own personal preference is that I like
to be surrounded by those of my own ilk.

You're in a minority on that tho.

No,

Yep.

it's basic human nature.

No its not.

Even you lot are into currys now

I will be tomorrow because the
washing machine's gone tits up.

And I bet you eat currys too.

in 1423655 20150928 104746 "NY" wrote:
"Adrian" wrote in message
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On Mon, 28 Sep 2015 09:52:11 +0100, NY wrote:

So far no-one has managed to come up with a *physical* speed restriction
(as opposed to a speed camera) which has no effect if you are well
within the speed limit and only comes into effect if you exceed it.

Yes, they have.

In Iberia, seemingly random traffic lights in the middle of straight
stretches of road are common. If you're exceeding the limit, they change
to red. The higher your speed, the longer they're red for.

Ah, like the infamous linked lights on the A4 in Slough that were set to
keep traffic moving at about 30 mph; if you drove at 20 or 40 you hit every
light at red, whereas if you drove at 30 then once you got through the first
light, all the rest would be at green for you. I heard that someone worked
out that if you drove at 80 you also hit green on every light - and I bet
the ton-up boys on their motorbikes took advantage of that late at night :-)

Reminds me of my Yatesbury days - before the M4 of course.

"Adrian" wrote in message
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On Mon, 28 Sep 2015 23:04:16 +0100, DJC wrote:

But if you have a mortgage you have not invested the full value of the
property, so the ROI is on the capital you put in.

Nope. You've still put the full purchase price in

Nope.

- it's just that you've had to borrow much of it.

That's what gearing is all about.

And as rents (and house prices) rise with inflation (at least in the
long run) your investment is near enough indexed linked.

That's a... novel... opinion.

Nope.

I wonder if it's historically accurate...?

Yep.

On Monday, 28 September 2015 23:45:27 UTC+1, Indy Jess John wrote:
On 27/09/2015 21:31, Rod Speed wrote:

The real reason small businesses go bankrupt easily is because
there are more trying to make a go of it than the market can
support. So the worst of them go bust.

A business vacates a shop and another takes it over. The first thing
they do is take out all the fixtures and fittings and put new ones in,
and some perfectly serviceable stuff gets smashed up and put in a skip
outside.

That cost money. And while it is going on the shop sells nothing and
gets no income, so the shop refitting is done with loans. Small wonder
that some fail. And then somebody else comes along and removed the
previous fixtures and fittings that might be only 6 months old, to put
in new ones.

Why don't they reuse what is there?

One of our local pubs has tunred into a Paddy power how would paddy power reuse what they had in the pub ? 3 other local pubs have been turned into flats, another is a muslim cultural centre with plans to convert it to a mosque.
A mosque with beer ion tap now that's worth praying for.
The pub where a former flatmate was a striiper is not a Muslin cultural centre.
One hairdressers got turned into a pound shop.

On Monday, 28 September 2015 23:38:57 UTC+1, Rod Speed wrote:
You're in a minority on that tho. Even you lot are into currys
now and that wouldn't have happened without immigrants.

An English cookbook, The Forme of Cury, was published in the 1390s

The upper classes regularly dined on curry in the 1600s, but strong flavours fell out of favour in the late 17th Century when French cuisine became popular.

The first curry recipe in English was published by Hannah Glasse in 1747. 'To Make a Currey the India Way'

It was not until the late 18th Century when Britain took control of Bengal that Indian cooking came back into fashion and by 1809 London's first curry house had opened.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-humber-30718727

Owain

On Monday, 28 September 2015 23:45:27 UTC+1, Indy Jess John wrote:
Why don't they reuse what is there?

A local Asian food shop was fitted out almost entirely in ex-Woolworths fittings.

Owain

On Tue, 29 Sep 2015 19:10:07 +1000, Sam Thatch wrote:

But if you have a mortgage you have not invested the full value of the
property, so the ROI is on the capital you put in.

Nope. You've still put the full purchase price in

Nope.

- it's just that you've had to borrow much of it.

That's what gearing is all about.

Gearing enables you to leverage your cash.
It doesn't mean you aren't investing £x. If you were doing a balance
sheet, you'd show the full value of the asset, and the full value of the
debt.

And as rents (and house prices) rise with inflation (at least in the
long run) your investment is near enough indexed linked.

That's a... novel... opinion.

Nope.

I wonder if it's historically accurate...?

Yep.

Riiight.

So, if we take the house my parents bought in 1980 for £60,000, then
quickly borrow a typical web inflation calculator, it's currently worth
£230k.

Ooops. It's on the market at the mo for £600k. And, no, it's not in
London. Not even within 150 miles of the SE.

The place we sold two years ago, in the SE? Now worth almost three times
the inflation-adjusted price over the 15yrs we had it.

The place we bought two years ago, in an area where house prices are
relatively low, which'd previously sold at the same time as we bought
that last place? Still at least 50% over the 1998 inflation adjusted
price.

If we look back at the 1976 sale price for here? Oops. Now worth about
four times that inflation adjusted value.

Furthest back sale price I've got for here is 1947 - six months before
the start of easily-referenceable inflation statistics. That price'd now
be worth about £65k.

In fact, if we look back, the biggest jump _relative to inflation_
occurred between 1976 and 1991.

wrote
Rod Speed wrote

You're in a minority on that tho. Even you lot are into currys
now and that wouldn't have happened without immigrants.

An English cookbook, The Forme of Cury, was published in the 1390s

Didn't include any currys.

The upper classes regularly dined on curry in the 1600s,

And the currys you lot eat now had nothing to do with that.

but strong flavours fell out of favour in the late
17th Century when French cuisine became popular.

The first curry recipe in English was published by Hannah
Glasse in 1747. 'To Make a Currey the India Way'

And the currys you lot eat now had nothing to do with that.

It was not until the late 18th Century when Britain took
control of Bengal that Indian cooking came back into
fashion and by 1809 London's first curry house had opened.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-humber-30718727

And the currys you lot eat now had nothing to do with that.

On 25/09/2015 16:12, Bill Wright wrote:
GB wrote:

I don't know much about golf buggies, but you can't compare generic
with manufacturer's spares. Even if they are the same product. That's
because they haven't got to have the same wide inventory for generic.
So, if you buy a battery for a top brand golf buggy from one of their
dealers, how much does that cost? Otherwise, as you say, it's not
comparable.

So basically you are saying that a battery made by Exide, for instance,
and bought by a golf firm for fitting in their buggies, is in some way
different to the next battery off the line, which is bought by a
disability outfit to fit in their products?

No, that's absolutely not what I said!

I said that if you buy a 'genuine' part from a dealer network (for
virtually anything) it will be more expensive than the same part from a
generic parts dealer. Apart from anything else, the
dealers/manufacturers have an obligation to provide a wide range of
parts for a period of years, whereas the generic shop can simply ignore
any low turnover parts.



We are talking absolutely identical products here.

Even so.


Bill

On Tuesday, 29 September 2015 11:39:21 UTC+1, Rod Speed wrote:
wrote
Rod Speed wrote

You're in a minority on that tho. Even you lot are into currys
now and that wouldn't have happened without immigrants.

An English cookbook, The Forme of Cury, was published in the 1390s

Didn't include any currys.

The upper classes regularly dined on curry in the 1600s,

And the currys you lot eat now had nothing to do with that.

but strong flavours fell out of favour in the late
17th Century when French cuisine became popular.

The first curry recipe in English was published by Hannah
Glasse in 1747. 'To Make a Currey the India Way'

And the currys you lot eat now had nothing to do with that.

It was not until the late 18th Century when Britain took
control of Bengal that Indian cooking came back into
fashion and by 1809 London's first curry house had opened.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-humber-30718727

And the currys you lot eat now had nothing to do with that.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/food/0/24432750

An English cookbook, The Forme of Cury, was published in the 1390s, and all hot food was called "cury" from the French word cuire, meaning to cook.


The currys we eat now (now we use the word curry to mean spicy rather than hot) didn't come from immigrants, we learnt from them in india.
The indian people were NOT immigrants in their own country.

In article ,
Indy Jess John wrote:
A business vacates a shop and another takes it over. The first thing
they do is take out all the fixtures and fittings and put new ones in,
and some perfectly serviceable stuff gets smashed up and put in a skip
outside.

That cost money. And while it is going on the shop sells nothing and
gets no income, so the shop refitting is done with loans. Small wonder
that some fail. And then somebody else comes along and removed the
previous fixtures and fittings that might be only 6 months old, to put
in new ones.

Why don't they reuse what is there?

There tend to be quite a few 'hobby' businesses round here. Called
something like 'The Lucky Parrot' or whatever and selling the sort of
'novelty items' a department store wouldn't stock. And only last a short
while. But as you say cost a fortune to set up. Same with restaurants. Far
too many for all to be profitable.

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Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

In article ,
Rod Speed wrote:
A business vacates a shop and another takes it over. The first thing
they do is take out all the fixtures and fittings and put new ones in,

Not necessarily, most obviously with petrol
stations

Petrol stations round here get closed and houses built in their place. And
all petrol stations have to be refurbished by law within a timescale.

So absolutely nothing like shops.

Of course it is likely very different in the outback.

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Dave Plowman London SW
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In article ,
brightside S9 wrote:

Manufacturers will normally deliberately calibrate their speedos to
read ‘high’ by some amount between 100% and 110% to keep themselves
within the law.

It also means the car shows a higher top speed than reality. Better MPG.
And needs servicing more frequently. So a win win win for the makers.

In these days of pulse counting speedos, there is no need for the same
sort of tolerance as once. Only thing which will effect the reading is
tyre wear - which makes it read on the 'safe' side anyway.

--
*Why is the third hand on the watch called a second hand?

Dave Plowman London SW
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wrote in message
... quoted the following

An English cookbook, The Forme of Cury, was published in the 1390s

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-humber-30718727


"Cury" has nothing to do with curry, but was simply the English
form of the French word "cuire" to cook. Hence cuisine etc.

And while a manuscript of that title did originate in the late
14th century, as this pre-dates printing by at least 50 years
its stretching things a bit to claim it was ever "published"
at that time. Unlike later printed versions.


michael adams

....

In article ,
Rod Speed wrote:
And the currys you lot eat now had nothing to do with that.

Nor are they traditional dishes from the country they claim to come from.
Anymore than so called Chinese food is.

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Dave Plowman London SW
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On 29/09/2015 13:16, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

There tend to be quite a few 'hobby' businesses round here. Called
something like 'The Lucky Parrot' or whatever and selling the sort of
'novelty items' a department store wouldn't stock. And only last a short
while. But as you say cost a fortune to set up. Same with restaurants. Far
too many for all to be profitable.

My area seems to have reached saturation point for eateries. Every time
a new one starts up, either it doesn't survive for long, or it becomes a
viable business and another one nearby goes to the wall.

Jim

On Mon, 28 Sep 2015 22:36:53 +0100, Johnny B Good wrote:

On Mon, 28 Sep 2015 17:22:49 +0100, dennis@home wrote:

On 27/09/2015 23:08, Indy Jess John wrote:
On 27/09/2015 22:18, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:

It's speed limit +10mph.
Not everywhere. There are some speed cameras that register an offence
if you are doing 34mph or more in a 30mph limit. Some were in north
Wales.

Jim

They can do you for 31 in a 30 limit if they want to.
The evidence needs a bit more effort with calibration, etc.

The allowance is just to ease the job of the police.

As I've already explained, the +/-10% allowance isn't for the benefit of
the police, it's for the benefit of the equipment makers (and the hapless
motorist dependant upon an instrument he is forced to place his trust
in). It's the +/-2mph that's for the benefit of the police, provided they
can prove the calibration worthiness of their measuring devices along
with their correct usage.

I thought car speedos were only allowed to read over and not under? Why is the same not true of radar guns only reading under and not over, then they don't need any allowances.

That **** of a North Wales Chief Police Constable, determined to drive
the more wealthy tourist away by the stupidity of "A zero tolerance"
speeding ticket mentality" was not doing his fellow North Welsh citizens
any favours let alone the visiting tourists he felt obliged to attack
when they came up against a confusing plethora of seemingly random and
arbitrary speed limits along largely open country non-urban roads[1].

What's worse is that the magistrates colluded in this 'zero tolerance'
nonsense when they failed to demonstrate good common sense when presented
with a case involving a speeding offence where the recorded speed was a
mere 35mph in a 30mph zone (right on the +10% +2mph allowance limit).

In the days before the curse of speed cameras (yes, I've been riding and
driving the roads for *that* long!), any motorist who managed to get
caught speeding only had themselves to blame for not paying enough
attention to the task of driving safely let alone for failing to spot the
police car in their wake in ample time to make sure they were driving
within the speed limit of the section of road they were on. I think I've
only had to blame my own self negligence twice in almost half a century
of riding/driving the nation's roads. :-)

[1] The tone of this missive quite clearly indicates that I've suffered
from this victimization campaign. I'm not one to hang around but neither
am I one to drive recklessly (as a rule) and take heed of the speed
limits, particularly when travelling on the highways and byways of North
Wales, so I was particularly surprised to receive a NIP for exceeding the
30 limit on a trip back home from North Wales, a journey I remember
taking particular care to avoid breaking the random collection of speed
limits placed along my homeward route.

Since they'd only managed to clock me as doing 35mph (probably in the
first ten yard stretch after the 30mph limit sign by means of a a hidden
mobile speed camera), I was given the option of doing a speed awareness
course in lieu of a fine and 3 points. Just coincidentally, the cost of
the course happened to be the same as the fine (£60) but it was a no-
brainer to take this option since it saved me accumulating 3 points on my
licence.

But you got brainwashed. You only take those if you think you risk running low on points.

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Why do they call it a TV set when you only get one?

On Mon, 28 Sep 2015 22:36:53 +0100, Johnny B Good wrote:

On Mon, 28 Sep 2015 17:22:49 +0100, dennis@home wrote:

On 27/09/2015 23:08, Indy Jess John wrote:
On 27/09/2015 22:18, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:

It's speed limit +10mph.
Not everywhere. There are some speed cameras that register an offence
if you are doing 34mph or more in a 30mph limit. Some were in north
Wales.

Jim

They can do you for 31 in a 30 limit if they want to.
The evidence needs a bit more effort with calibration, etc.

The allowance is just to ease the job of the police.

As I've already explained, the +/-10% allowance isn't for the benefit of
the police, it's for the benefit of the equipment makers (and the hapless
motorist dependant upon an instrument he is forced to place his trust
in). It's the +/-2mph that's for the benefit of the police, provided they
can prove the calibration worthiness of their measuring devices along
with their correct usage.

That **** of a North Wales Chief Police Constable, determined to drive
the more wealthy tourist away by the stupidity of "A zero tolerance"
speeding ticket mentality" was not doing his fellow North Welsh citizens
any favours let alone the visiting tourists he felt obliged to attack
when they came up against a confusing plethora of seemingly random and
arbitrary speed limits along largely open country non-urban roads[1].

I'd be inclined to drive at half the speed limit through the whole place, to **** everyone off. It's not illegal to go 15 in a 30.

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Why do they call it a TV set when you only get one?