I have just done my first fill up on a N reg 1.6 Honda Civic and it shows a
return of 27.5 MPG. This seemed a little low to me. I am sure when I used to
drive cars of a similar age I always managed a minimum of 30 MPG and a
little more on a motorway run.

I doubt there is anything wrong with the car and maybe it is me who has got
used to a diesel van that does over 40MPG for my normal motoring.

What does anyone out there get MPG wise on their cars so I can assume things
are OK before I start looking for problems and doing un-needed DIY work on
the car?

Adam

PS The last MOT was done 2 months ago and came with the car. The fail
certificate was included and it failed on a brake light bulb (LAMP in my
opinion)

"ARWadworth" wrote in message
...
I have just done my first fill up on a N reg 1.6 Honda Civic and it shows
a return of 27.5 MPG. This seemed a little low to me. I am sure when I
used to drive cars of a similar age I always managed a minimum of 30 MPG
and a little more on a motorway run.

I doubt there is anything wrong with the car and maybe it is me who has
got used to a diesel van that does over 40MPG for my normal motoring.

What does anyone out there get MPG wise on their cars so I can assume
things are OK before I start looking for problems and doing un-needed DIY
work on the car?

55-60 around town.. but its a turbo diesel not petrol.

ARWadworth wrote:
I have just done my first fill up on a N reg 1.6 Honda Civic and it
shows a return of 27.5 MPG. This seemed a little low to me. I am sure
when I used to drive cars of a similar age I always managed a minimum
of 30 MPG and a little more on a motorway run.

I doubt there is anything wrong with the car and maybe it is me who
has got used to a diesel van that does over 40MPG for my normal
motoring.
What does anyone out there get MPG wise on their cars so I can assume
things are OK before I start looking for problems and doing un-needed
DIY work on the car?

That sounds a bit low to me.
My car is a VW Passat and they are known as gas guzzlers....around town I
get 30MPG, on a M-Way @ 56-60mph I get 43.3mpg, which is ****poor in the
grand scheme of things - I would expect a car that size to get easily 35-40
around town and 50+ on a M-way.

"ARWadworth" wrote in message
...
I have just done my first fill up on a N reg 1.6 Honda Civic and it shows a
return of 27.5 MPG. This seemed a little low to me. I am sure when I used
to drive cars of a similar age I always managed a minimum of 30 MPG and a
little more on a motorway run.

I doubt there is anything wrong with the car and maybe it is me who has
got used to a diesel van that does over 40MPG for my normal motoring.

Something is wrong with it. Those little 1.4/1.5/1.6 vtec-e's are very
efficient and should do 40mpg in mixed use easily!!

Tim.

On Mon, 17 Mar 2008 19:34:36 GMT, ARWadworth wrote:

I have just done my first fill up on a N reg 1.6 Honda Civic and it shows a
return of 27.5 MPG. This seemed a little low to me.

Which Honda Civic ? They make many different models. I had a N reg Honda
Civic ESI - 120 BHP and quite fast but still 35 or more MPG - more on a
long run. Many less/more powerful Honda Civics available .....

Then there's the Honda Civic Type R - 200 BHP. 27.5 MPG would be good for
that machine :-)

Dunno why they're all called Honda Civics.
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"ARWadworth" wrote in message
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I have just done my first fill up on a N reg 1.6 Honda Civic and it shows a
return of 27.5 MPG. This seemed a little low to me. I am sure when I used
to drive cars of a similar age I always managed a minimum of 30 MPG and a
little more on a motorway run.


Seems low. What's the state of the exhaust? I used to reckon on at least
15% improvement whenever the exhaust was replaced on my petrol Polo. Can't
say I can give a good reason for it, but it made a difference.

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from "ARWadworth" contains these words:

I have just done my first fill up on a N reg 1.6 Honda Civic and it shows a
return of 27.5 MPG. This seemed a little low to me. I am sure when I
used to
drive cars of a similar age I always managed a minimum of 30 MPG and a
little more on a motorway run.

According to Parkers car price guide (March 1997) there was a model
change in the N year and 2 different 1.6s within each range. Mileage
range is quoted variously as 32 -46, 31 - 46, 32 - 50, 32 - 46. The
urban figures in the new car list seem a bit erratic ranging from 24 to
34 mpg. 27.5 does seem low overall.

--
Roger Chapman

ARWadworth presented the following explanation :
I have just done my first fill up on a N reg 1.6 Honda Civic and it shows a
return of 27.5 MPG. This seemed a little low to me. I am sure when I used to
drive cars of a similar age I always managed a minimum of 30 MPG and a little
more on a motorway run.

My 3litre V6 does that mpg.

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ARWadworth wrote:
SNIP
PS The last MOT was done 2 months ago and came with the car. The fail
certificate was included and it failed on a brake light bulb (LAMP in
my opinion)

Nah. Its definately a bulb on a car.



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ARWadworth wrote:
I have just done my first fill up on a N reg 1.6 Honda Civic and it
shows a return of 27.5 MPG. This seemed a little low to me. I am sure
when I used to drive cars of a similar age I always managed a minimum
of 30 MPG and a little more on a motorway run.

I doubt there is anything wrong with the car and maybe it is me who
has got used to a diesel van that does over 40MPG for my normal
motoring.
What does anyone out there get MPG wise on their cars so I can assume
things are OK before I start looking for problems and doing un-needed
DIY work on the car?

Adam

PS The last MOT was done 2 months ago and came with the car. The fail
certificate was included and it failed on a brake light bulb (LAMP in
my opinion)

Seems rather low to me. I am fastidious in logging all my fuel consumption
and averaging my mileage over the whole period of ownership of the car.
Until permanently modified by a young son, I was doing 36/37 in an M reg.
1.6 petrol Fiesta, circa 100 miles a day on motorways. We still have a 1.4
306 which is used mainly locally which does 35 mpg. Both cars were
"distress" purchases rather than chosen. My regular motor, 51 Focus Ford
diesel does 52 mpg and used for mostly motorway work, roughly 70 miles a
day. Wife's new 206cc diesel (07) seems to be doing 52/53 mpg mixed local
and distance journeys but too soon to tell - only 3.3k miles.

Previous workhorses: Focus diesel estate 51 mpg; Rover 400SDi 50 mpg and two
Fiesta diesel 49.9 and 50.1 mpg.

Son's Honda CRX (1.6) which might be more applicable: L reg. imported second
hand from Japan (90,000 km.) doing circa 35 mpg.

What does anyone out there get MPG wise on their cars so I can assume things
are OK before I start looking for problems and doing un-needed DIY work on
the car?

9 yr old 1.3L Hyundai accent here, gets 34-36mpg regularly, low 40's
on a run.

My previous cars - Citroen AX and Citroen ZX (both were ****e, despite
buying them new) did about the same IIRC

Prior to that, I had a 6(?) year old Skoda Estelle 1.3L which was
heavy on the juice, and I never did figure out why - 22mpg or
thereabouts around town :-}

In article ,
ARWadworth wrote:
I have just done my first fill up on a N reg 1.6 Honda Civic and it
shows a return of 27.5 MPG. This seemed a little low to me. I am sure
when I used to drive cars of a similar age I always managed a minimum
of 30 MPG and a little more on a motorway run.

I doubt there is anything wrong with the car and maybe it is me who has
got used to a diesel van that does over 40MPG for my normal motoring.

It really depends on the sort of driving conditions. My fairly large
petrol auto does mid 30s on a motorway but mid teens in heavy town traffic.

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Harry Bloomfield wrote:
ARWadworth presented the following explanation :
I have just done my first fill up on a N reg 1.6 Honda Civic and it
shows a return of 27.5 MPG. This seemed a little low to me. I am sure
when I used to drive cars of a similar age I always managed a minimum
of 30 MPG and a little more on a motorway run.

My 3litre V6 does that mpg.

I'll bet it doesn't in heavy town traffic.

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In article ,
Tim.. wrote:

"ARWadworth" wrote in message
...
I have just done my first fill up on a N reg 1.6 Honda Civic and it
shows a return of 27.5 MPG. This seemed a little low to me. I am sure
when I used to drive cars of a similar age I always managed a minimum
of 30 MPG and a little more on a motorway run.

I doubt there is anything wrong with the car and maybe it is me who
has got used to a diesel van that does over 40MPG for my normal
motoring.

Something is wrong with it. Those little 1.4/1.5/1.6 vtec-e's are very
efficient and should do 40mpg in mixed use easily!!

Autocar's own figures for a new 1.6 Civic give 35 overall and 43 touring.
And they're usually pretty heavy footed for the overall one. Of course
this is for a recent model - an older one could have lots of differences.

Tim.

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"ARWadworth" wrote in message
...
I have just done my first fill up on a N reg 1.6 Honda Civic and it shows a
return of 27.5 MPG.

I wouldn't have a lot of faith in the figures from a single fill-up, unless
you measured the levels with a dip stick. Fuel gauges are not exactly the
most accurate devices around and fuel pumps vary in sensititivity, so the
auto cut-off does not gve a reliable indication. The problem is exacerbated
if the refill volume is not very large, In the days before trip computers, I
would always wait until I had data from four or five refills before
calculating the consumption. Now I have one, it can predict anything from
around 320 miles to a record 510 miles from a full tank, depening how I have
been driving prior to the refill.

This seemed a little low to me. I am sure when I used to drive cars of a
similar age I always managed a minimum of 30 MPG and a little more on a
motorway run....

Our 1.6 litre Triumph Vitesse usually came out at around 25 mpg from new,
but that was an older design and was driven hard.

Colin Bignell

Clot wrote:
ARWadworth wrote:
I have just done my first fill up on a N reg 1.6 Honda Civic and it
shows a return of 27.5 MPG. This seemed a little low to me. I am sure
when I used to drive cars of a similar age I always managed a minimum
of 30 MPG and a little more on a motorway run.

I doubt there is anything wrong with the car and maybe it is me who
has got used to a diesel van that does over 40MPG for my normal
motoring.
What does anyone out there get MPG wise on their cars so I can assume
things are OK before I start looking for problems and doing un-needed
DIY work on the car?

Adam

PS The last MOT was done 2 months ago and came with the car. The fail
certificate was included and it failed on a brake light bulb (LAMP in
my opinion)

Seems rather low to me. I am fastidious in logging all my fuel consumption
and averaging my mileage over the whole period of ownership of the car.
Until permanently modified by a young son, I was doing 36/37 in an M reg.
1.6 petrol Fiesta, circa 100 miles a day on motorways. We still have a 1.4
306 which is used mainly locally which does 35 mpg. Both cars were
"distress" purchases rather than chosen. My regular motor, 51 Focus Ford
diesel does 52 mpg and used for mostly motorway work, roughly 70 miles a
day. Wife's new 206cc diesel (07) seems to be doing 52/53 mpg mixed local
and distance journeys but too soon to tell - only 3.3k miles.

Previous workhorses: Focus diesel estate 51 mpg; Rover 400SDi 50 mpg and two
Fiesta diesel 49.9 and 50.1 mpg.

Son's Honda CRX (1.6) which might be more applicable: L reg. imported second
hand from Japan (90,000 km.) doing circa 35 mpg.


Thevery first car I remember recording petrol consumption in, was a 1950
something 1500 morris I think.

On a longish trip, we got 52mpg with the wind behind us and 42mpg coming
back.

Iremeber druving y spitfire..normally in the low 30's = on snow for a
hundred miles, That did over 50mpg too.

ARWadworth wrote:
I have just done my first fill up on a N reg 1.6 Honda Civic and it
shows a return of 27.5 MPG. This seemed a little low to me. I am sure
when I used to drive cars of a similar age I always managed a minimum of
30 MPG and a little more on a motorway run.

I doubt there is anything wrong with the car and maybe it is me who has
got used to a diesel van that does over 40MPG for my normal motoring.

What does anyone out there get MPG wise on their cars so I can assume
things are OK before I start looking for problems and doing un-needed
DIY work on the car?


37mpg over 1500 miles - 1989 Golf GTI.

Rob

Rob wrote:
ARWadworth wrote:
I have just done my first fill up on a N reg 1.6 Honda Civic and it
shows a return of 27.5 MPG. This seemed a little low to me. I am sure
when I used to drive cars of a similar age I always managed a minimum
of 30 MPG and a little more on a motorway run.

I doubt there is anything wrong with the car and maybe it is me who
has got used to a diesel van that does over 40MPG for my normal motoring.

What does anyone out there get MPG wise on their cars so I can assume
things are OK before I start looking for problems and doing un-needed
DIY work on the car?


37mpg over 1500 miles - 1989 Golf GTI.

Rob
If they took off all te catalysts,we could probably get 80mpg out of
todays lean burn engines..

"Rob" wrote in message
...
ARWadworth wrote:
I have just done my first fill up on a N reg 1.6 Honda Civic and it shows
a return of 27.5 MPG. This seemed a little low to me. I am sure when I
used to drive cars of a similar age I always managed a minimum of 30 MPG
and a little more on a motorway run.

I doubt there is anything wrong with the car and maybe it is me who has
got used to a diesel van that does over 40MPG for my normal motoring.

What does anyone out there get MPG wise on their cars so I can assume
things are OK before I start looking for problems and doing un-needed DIY
work on the car?


37mpg over 1500 miles - 1989 Golf GTI.


Those 1.8 digifant GTi's are stupidly good on fuel when running 'just nice'.

Tim.
..

ARWadworth wrote:
I have just done my first fill up on a N reg 1.6 Honda Civic and it
shows a return of 27.5 MPG. This seemed a little low to me. I am sure
when I used to drive cars of a similar age I always managed a minimum
of 30 MPG and a little more on a motorway run.

I doubt there is anything wrong with the car and maybe it is me who
has got used to a diesel van that does over 40MPG for my normal
motoring.
What does anyone out there get MPG wise on their cars so I can assume
things are OK before I start looking for problems and doing un-needed
DIY work on the car?

Adam

PS The last MOT was done 2 months ago and came with the car. The fail
certificate was included and it failed on a brake light bulb (LAMP in
my opinion)

Everyone elses MPG seems a bit horrific. Golf MK2 GTI does around 35-50
depending how I drive it. Even thrashing around at 95 it manages over 30mpg.
Citroen ZX 1.9D with a binding caliper does about 44mpg or 40mpg depending
who's driving it... OTOH I often find that I get poorer economy in smaller
engined cars as I tend to want to make the little engine move the car as
fast as a big one would easily manage.

Tim.. wrote:
"Rob" wrote in message
...
ARWadworth wrote:
I have just done my first fill up on a N reg 1.6 Honda Civic and it
shows a return of 27.5 MPG. This seemed a little low to me. I am
sure when I used to drive cars of a similar age I always managed a
minimum of 30 MPG and a little more on a motorway run.

I doubt there is anything wrong with the car and maybe it is me who
has got used to a diesel van that does over 40MPG for my normal
motoring. What does anyone out there get MPG wise on their cars so I can
assume things are OK before I start looking for problems and doing
un-needed DIY work on the car?


37mpg over 1500 miles - 1989 Golf GTI.


Those 1.8 digifant GTi's are stupidly good on fuel when running 'just
nice'.

Brilliant little beasts. The valve stem seals could do with doing on mine
though, so it's 20V turbo time .

Doki wrote:
ARWadworth wrote:
I have just done my first fill up on a N reg 1.6 Honda Civic and it
shows a return of 27.5 MPG. This seemed a little low to me. I am sure
when I used to drive cars of a similar age I always managed a minimum
of 30 MPG and a little more on a motorway run.

I doubt there is anything wrong with the car and maybe it is me who
has got used to a diesel van that does over 40MPG for my normal
motoring.
What does anyone out there get MPG wise on their cars so I can assume
things are OK before I start looking for problems and doing un-needed
DIY work on the car?

Adam

PS The last MOT was done 2 months ago and came with the car. The fail
certificate was included and it failed on a brake light bulb (LAMP in
my opinion)

Everyone elses MPG seems a bit horrific. Golf MK2 GTI does around 35-50
depending how I drive it. Even thrashing around at 95 it manages over
30mpg. Citroen ZX 1.9D with a binding caliper does about 44mpg or 40mpg
depending who's driving it... OTOH I often find that I get poorer
economy in smaller engined cars as I tend to want to make the little
engine move the car as fast as a big one would easily manage.

This has been known for years..I remember the MKI 1300cc Ford Escort was
less of a juicer than the 1100..which we had.

Neither were a patch on BMC A series engines with SU carbs.

I always thought it was to do with the way the SU's handle a rapidly
opening throttle..no 'acceleration pump'.

"nightjar .me.uk" cpb@insert my surname here wrote in message
...

"ARWadworth" wrote in message
...
I have just done my first fill up on a N reg 1.6 Honda Civic and it shows
a return of 27.5 MPG.

I wouldn't have a lot of faith in the figures from a single fill-up,
unless you measured the levels with a dip stick. Fuel gauges are not
exactly the most accurate devices around and fuel pumps vary in
sensititivity, so the auto cut-off does not gve a reliable indication. The
problem is exacerbated if the refill volume is not very large, In the days
before trip computers, I would always wait until I had data from four or
five refills before calculating the consumption. Now I have one, it can
predict anything from around 320 miles to a record 510 miles from a full
tank, depening how I have been driving prior to the refill.

This seemed a little low to me. I am sure when I used to drive cars of a
similar age I always managed a minimum of 30 MPG and a little more on a
motorway run....


A good point. The girlfriend filled it up when we got it on Friday morning
and I filled it up Sunday. We had used about 3/4 of a tank with roughly 50%
motorway driving. I wonder if she put the pump back after the first knock
off. It is a small tank and if I have put an extra 3.5 litres in on my fill
up than she did then we would be at the 30MPG mark. I will give another four
of fill ups and do an overall calculation.

Adam

"Tim.." wrote in message
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"ARWadworth" wrote in message
...
I have just done my first fill up on a N reg 1.6 Honda Civic and it shows
a return of 27.5 MPG. This seemed a little low to me. I am sure when I
used to drive cars of a similar age I always managed a minimum of 30 MPG
and a little more on a motorway run.

I doubt there is anything wrong with the car and maybe it is me who has
got used to a diesel van that does over 40MPG for my normal motoring.

Something is wrong with it. Those little 1.4/1.5/1.6 vtec-e's are very
efficient and should do 40mpg in mixed use easily!!


I expected closer to the 40MPG mark as well. Not much should be wrong
though. 44K mileage, full service history, garaged and one owner from new.
The last service was 18 months ago and it has done 1200 miles since then. It
has never stood for more than a week so nothing should be seized. Hopefully
it should be a nice car to start the girlfiends no claims insurance with.

I actually quite like the little thing.

Adam

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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In article ,
Harry Bloomfield wrote:
ARWadworth presented the following explanation :
I have just done my first fill up on a N reg 1.6 Honda Civic and it
shows a return of 27.5 MPG. This seemed a little low to me. I am sure
when I used to drive cars of a similar age I always managed a minimum
of 30 MPG and a little more on a motorway run.

My 3litre V6 does that mpg.

I'll bet it doesn't in heavy town traffic.

I once borrowed an Audi 4.2 A8 quattro for a week. 17 MPG around town and 27
MPG at 70MPH on a motorway using cruise control (24MPG without the control).
I expected that sort of fuel return on that car. I expect a little Honda to
do better.

Adam

ARWadworth wrote:

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Harry Bloomfield wrote:
ARWadworth presented the following explanation :
I have just done my first fill up on a N reg 1.6 Honda Civic and it
shows a return of 27.5 MPG. This seemed a little low to me. I am sure
when I used to drive cars of a similar age I always managed a minimum
of 30 MPG and a little more on a motorway run.

My 3litre V6 does that mpg.

I'll bet it doesn't in heavy town traffic.

I once borrowed an Audi 4.2 A8 quattro for a week. 17 MPG around town
and 27 MPG at 70MPH on a motorway using cruise control (24MPG without
the control). I expected that sort of fuel return on that car. I expect
a little Honda to do better.

Adam


I used to get 19mpg out of town and 11mpg in town in my XKR ;-)

Camper does about 22mpg..

"The Medway Handyman" wrote in message
m...
ARWadworth wrote:
SNIP
PS The last MOT was done 2 months ago and came with the car. The fail
certificate was included and it failed on a brake light bulb (LAMP in
my opinion)

Nah. Its definately a bulb on a car.

Lucas and Bosch agree with you. The guy in the motor shop showed me their
catalogues and they say bulbs not lamps on the front covers.

Adam

"Phil L" wrote in message
...
ARWadworth wrote:
I have just done my first fill up on a N reg 1.6 Honda Civic and it
shows a return of 27.5 MPG. This seemed a little low to me. I am sure
when I used to drive cars of a similar age I always managed a minimum
of 30 MPG and a little more on a motorway run.

I doubt there is anything wrong with the car and maybe it is me who
has got used to a diesel van that does over 40MPG for my normal
motoring.
What does anyone out there get MPG wise on their cars so I can assume
things are OK before I start looking for problems and doing un-needed
DIY work on the car?

That sounds a bit low to me.
My car is a VW Passat and they are known as gas guzzlers....around town I
get 30MPG, on a M-Way @ 56-60mph I get 43.3mpg, which is ****poor in the
grand scheme of things - I would expect a car that size to get easily
35-40 around town and 50+ on a M-way.

That is more like I was thinking. One car I owned was a N reg 1.8 litre
estate Passat. I was sure it did 30MPG around town (unless heavily loaded or
a roof rack was on). I used to get 40 MPG on the motorway at about 80MPH. It
is a long time since I owned a pertol car.

Adam

Doki wrote:
Tim.. wrote:
"Rob" wrote in message
...
ARWadworth wrote:
I have just done my first fill up on a N reg 1.6 Honda Civic and it
shows a return of 27.5 MPG. This seemed a little low to me. I am
sure when I used to drive cars of a similar age I always managed a
minimum of 30 MPG and a little more on a motorway run.

I doubt there is anything wrong with the car and maybe it is me who
has got used to a diesel van that does over 40MPG for my normal
motoring. What does anyone out there get MPG wise on their cars so I
can
assume things are OK before I start looking for problems and doing
un-needed DIY work on the car?


37mpg over 1500 miles - 1989 Golf GTI.


Those 1.8 digifant GTi's are stupidly good on fuel when running 'just
nice'.

Brilliant little beasts. The valve stem seals could do with doing on
mine though, so it's 20V turbo time .

I recently returned to the fold after a couple of years with a 20v Seat
Leon Cupra - very swish :-)

That never seemed to go below 35mpg.

Rob wrote:
Doki wrote:
Tim.. wrote:
"Rob" wrote in message
...
ARWadworth wrote:
I have just done my first fill up on a N reg 1.6 Honda Civic and
it shows a return of 27.5 MPG. This seemed a little low to me. I
am sure when I used to drive cars of a similar age I always
managed a minimum of 30 MPG and a little more on a motorway run.

I doubt there is anything wrong with the car and maybe it is me
who has got used to a diesel van that does over 40MPG for my
normal motoring. What does anyone out there get MPG wise on their
cars so I can
assume things are OK before I start looking for problems and doing
un-needed DIY work on the car?


37mpg over 1500 miles - 1989 Golf GTI.


Those 1.8 digifant GTi's are stupidly good on fuel when running
'just nice'.

Brilliant little beasts. The valve stem seals could do with doing on
mine though, so it's 20V turbo time .

I recently returned to the fold after a couple of years with a 20v
Seat Leon Cupra - very swish :-)

That never seemed to go below 35mpg.

Should've bought the MK2 first and swapped engines .

In article ,
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Thevery first car I remember recording petrol consumption in, was a 1950
something 1500 morris I think.

On a longish trip, we got 52mpg with the wind behind us and 42mpg coming
back.

You could well have got that with a later Morris Minor which was approx
1000cc, but not with the 1500cc Oxford. Especially if it was '50 or early
'50s - that would have been sidevalve and very thirsty.

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In article ,
ARWadworth wrote:

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Harry Bloomfield wrote:
ARWadworth presented the following explanation :
I have just done my first fill up on a N reg 1.6 Honda Civic and it
shows a return of 27.5 MPG. This seemed a little low to me. I am sure
when I used to drive cars of a similar age I always managed a minimum
of 30 MPG and a little more on a motorway run.

My 3litre V6 does that mpg.

I'll bet it doesn't in heavy town traffic.

I once borrowed an Audi 4.2 A8 quattro for a week. 17 MPG around town
and 27 MPG at 70MPH on a motorway using cruise control (24MPG without
the control). I expected that sort of fuel return on that car. I expect
a little Honda to do better.

Four wheel drives are always thirsty - all that extra friction.

Adam

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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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In article ,
ARWadworth wrote:

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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In article ,
Harry Bloomfield wrote:
ARWadworth presented the following explanation :
I have just done my first fill up on a N reg 1.6 Honda Civic and it
shows a return of 27.5 MPG. This seemed a little low to me. I am
sure
when I used to drive cars of a similar age I always managed a
minimum
of 30 MPG and a little more on a motorway run.

My 3litre V6 does that mpg.

I'll bet it doesn't in heavy town traffic.

I once borrowed an Audi 4.2 A8 quattro for a week. 17 MPG around town
and 27 MPG at 70MPH on a motorway using cruise control (24MPG without
the control). I expected that sort of fuel return on that car. I expect
a little Honda to do better.

Four wheel drives are always thirsty - all that extra friction.

Oddly enough I never needed the 4WD facility. It was just a case of my van
going in for a clutch and I borrowed a mates cars to get to work and back.
It was probably the most useless car I have ever had to drive around a town
centre. Too big, too expensive and totally impractical.

Adam

"ARWadworth" wrote in message
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"Tim.." wrote in message
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"ARWadworth" wrote in message
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I have just done my first fill up on a N reg 1.6 Honda Civic and it shows
a return of 27.5 MPG. This seemed a little low to me. I am sure when I
used to drive cars of a similar age I always managed a minimum of 30 MPG
and a little more on a motorway run.

I doubt there is anything wrong with the car and maybe it is me who has
got used to a diesel van that does over 40MPG for my normal motoring.

Something is wrong with it. Those little 1.4/1.5/1.6 vtec-e's are very
efficient and should do 40mpg in mixed use easily!!


I expected closer to the 40MPG mark as well. Not much should be wrong
though. 44K mileage, full service history, garaged and one owner from new.
The last service was 18 months ago and it has done 1200 miles since then.
It has never stood for more than a week so nothing should be seized.
Hopefully it should be a nice car to start the girlfiends no claims
insurance with.

I actually quite like the little thing.


Ensure the tyres are properly blown up, brakes not dragging, fresh oil and
air filters and take it for a good rag up the motorway....

Tim..

On Tue, 18 Mar 2008 13:33:34 -0000, Doki wrote:

Everyone elses MPG seems a bit horrific. Golf MK2 GTI does around 35-50
depending how I drive it.

Such a range, must make judging if you need to fill up now or after the
next trip a little difficult.

Citroen ZX 1.9D with a binding caliper does about 44mpg or 40mpg

24mpg with binding calipers on my car recently, though application of a
block of wood and hammer could nudge that back up to 28. The binding
calipers knocked the long term (since Dec 04) mpg down to 29.3, just
before that it was 29.5. 2.5l 5 cylinder turbo diesel. MPG doesn't really
seem to vary much but then with 2.8 tonnes to shift there is little point
in even trying to "go faster", all you get is a lot of noise and,
occasionally, a lot of black smoke.

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Cheers
Dave.

"Doki" wrote in message
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Everyone elses MPG seems a bit horrific. ...

I thought they sounded quite good, but then I drive a 5 litre V-8 powered
motor.

Colin Bignell

Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Tue, 18 Mar 2008 13:33:34 -0000, Doki wrote:

Everyone elses MPG seems a bit horrific. Golf MK2 GTI does around
35-50 depending how I drive it.

Such a range, must make judging if you need to fill up now or after
the next trip a little difficult.

Not really. 37mpg is more like my usual MPG, but it depends how you drive
it. There's no cat and it's happy to run a bit rich on full throttle.

Citroen ZX 1.9D with a binding caliper does about 44mpg or 40mpg

24mpg with binding calipers on my car recently, though application of
a block of wood and hammer could nudge that back up to 28. The binding
calipers knocked the long term (since Dec 04) mpg down to 29.3, just
before that it was 29.5. 2.5l 5 cylinder turbo diesel. MPG doesn't
really seem to vary much but then with 2.8 tonnes to shift there is
little point in even trying to "go faster", all you get is a lot of
noise and, occasionally, a lot of black smoke.

That's what you get for having a Land Rover...

"Doki" wrote in message
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Everyone elses MPG seems a bit horrific. ...

I thought they sounded quite good, but then I drive a 5 litre V-8
powered motor.

It's more in relation to the size of car and engine than anything. I think
20mpg in a big V8 Jag is fine, but less than 30mpg in a fairly small engined
hatch is ridiculous, particularly when they're all post 93 and must have
injection. It's not worth the agony of driving something with a small
engine. I could understand it on carbs - I got 10mpg out of my 1.4 Volvo
340...

On Tue, 18 Mar 2008 13:33:34 -0000, "Doki" wrote:

ARWadworth wrote:
I have just done my first fill up on a N reg 1.6 Honda Civic and it
shows a return of 27.5 MPG. This seemed a little low to me. I am sure
when I used to drive cars of a similar age I always managed a minimum
of 30 MPG and a little more on a motorway run.

I doubt there is anything wrong with the car and maybe it is me who
has got used to a diesel van that does over 40MPG for my normal
motoring.
What does anyone out there get MPG wise on their cars so I can assume
things are OK before I start looking for problems and doing un-needed
DIY work on the car?

Adam

PS The last MOT was done 2 months ago and came with the car. The fail
certificate was included and it failed on a brake light bulb (LAMP in
my opinion)

Everyone elses MPG seems a bit horrific. Golf MK2 GTI does around 35-50
depending how I drive it. Even thrashing around at 95 it manages over 30mpg.
Citroen ZX 1.9D with a binding caliper does about 44mpg or 40mpg depending
who's driving it... OTOH I often find that I get poorer economy in smaller
engined cars as I tend to want to make the little engine move the car as
fast as a big one would easily manage.


For what its worth my 02 reg Civic is at 45.2 mpg over 35,000 miles.
Clearly fuel consumption is very dependent upon how and where the car
is driven but 27.5 mpg for a Civic seems very low unless it is being
driven 'hard' in town at all times.

On Tue, 18 Mar 2008 23:14:44 -0000, "nightjar" cpb@insert my surname
here.me.uk wrote:


"Doki" wrote in message
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Everyone elses MPG seems a bit horrific. ...

I thought they sounded quite good, but then I drive a 5 litre V-8 powered
motor.

Audi A6 2.4 - 22..28 mpg (usually at the lower end).

M.