On Thu, 19 May 2005 16:18:13 GMT, Gunner
wrote:

On Thu, 19 May 2005 08:45:44 -0500, Wayne Cook
wrote:

On Thu, 19 May 2005 04:50:45 GMT, Gunner
wrote:


Is there any inexpensive fireproofing chemicals that can be applied to
a pair of pants for example..that wont give you cancer or make your
pecker fall off?


Starch. If you starch your shirts and pants then they're much less
likely to have holes burned in them.

Wayne Cook
Shamrock, TX
http://members.dslextreme.com/users/waynecook

Really? No kidding?

Noted for next washday.


I can't say that I do it myself but I know that all the local
pipeline welders swear by it.

Wayne Cook
Shamrock, TX
http://members.dslextreme.com/users/waynecook

"Gunner" wrote in message

I buy most of my clothing at second hand stores. Bib overalls for $6,
jeans for $5, shirts for $2..that short of thing.

Gunner, with many shirts and jeans with weld burns in them


Yup same here; almost all of my work clothing is bought from second hand
stores. Those that aren't were given to me as gifts. You got to be wealthy
to purchase new clothing these days. I haven't won the lottery yet. grin

Lane

On Thu, 19 May 2005 16:18:13 GMT, the inscrutable Gunner
spake:

On Thu, 19 May 2005 08:45:44 -0500, Wayne Cook
wrote:

On Thu, 19 May 2005 04:50:45 GMT, Gunner
wrote:


Is there any inexpensive fireproofing chemicals that can be applied to
a pair of pants for example..that wont give you cancer or make your
pecker fall off?

Starch. If you starch your shirts and pants then they're much less
likely to have holes burned in them.

Really? No kidding?

Noted for next washday.

Gunner, wondering how a starched T-shirt is gonna feel.....

Uh, remember that starch is VIAGRA for CLOTH.
Ouch! They'll feel like yer ol' Sunday-go-ta-meetin' clothes.

Instead, the leather apron and sleeving/leggins that HF sells are
great for avoiding burns. (At $7.95, the apron was a steal.)


"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us)
off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
them self determination under "play nice" rules.

Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you
for torturing the cat." Gunner

Your Prez is off his leash, dude.

"America does not go abroad in search of monsters to destroy. She is
the well-wisher to the freedom and independence of all. She is the
champion and vindicator only of her own. She will recommend the
general cause by the countenance of her vice and the benignant
sympathy of her own example. She well knows that by once enlisting
under banners other than her own, were they even the banners of
foreign independence, she would involve herself beyond the power of
extrication, in all the wars of interest and intrigue, of individual
avarice, envy, ambition, which assumed the colors and usurped the
standards of freedom. The fundamental maxims of her policy would
insensibly change from liberty to force....She might become the
dictatress of the world. She would no longer be the ruler of her own
spirit."

--John Quincy Adams, address to the House of Reps on July 4th, 1821

(Page 200 of "Imperial Hubris", under the heading "Democracy: The
Least Exportable Commodity.")


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On Thu, 19 May 2005 16:55:54 GMT, the inscrutable Gunner
spake:

On Thu, 19 May 2005 09:00:31 -0700, Larry Jaques
wrote:

On Wed, 18 May 2005 17:48:37 -0700, the inscrutable "madhat"
spake:

Anyone have any ideas for a low-impact exercise program? The nearest thing
we have to a gym in the area is 80 mi from here.

There are several forms of yoga which will help you stay in better
shape and won't increase your injuries. The stretching and range of
movement look simple but they burn calories and get you back in shape
quickly. Yoga can be done alone or with friends/family for structure
and support.

Then there is Tai Chi...which is very very good and so simple that
geriatrics can do it.

Probably no good for his leg/lower back problems. I'm doing Tai Chi
now and it's tough on my knees. Gotta keep getting the weight down.
High school: 182 lbs. Currently 208 lbs, down from 223. (Egad! I'm 5'
11".)

One of these days I'll grab an extra 43" length of 3/4" pipe and hang
it in the hallway for a chinup/pullup/stretching/leg/stomach lift bar
and get busy on it.

A copy of "Eat Fat, Lose Fat" found its way here last week, too.


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On Thu, 19 May 2005 16:22:31 GMT, the inscrutable Gunner
spake:

On 19 May 2005 11:07:11 GMT, Ignoramus19969
wrote:

I would be a little afraid to ride a bicycle at 388 lbs...

i
Hummmm...that is an issue isnt it?

At that weight, I'd be afraid of the seat failing; impaling me
in a MOST embarassing and painful fashion. pucker


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Walking is not really an option. I can't do more than 300 yards. without my
crutches. Of course I guess I could maybe double that with the crutches.
It's not the weight that bothers me (though it doesn't help) it's the nerve
deficit and falling. It hurts hitting the ground from that high up.

I thought about a bicycle but one reason I sold my Harley was I got spasms
and fell over at a stop sign once. I was afraid it would happen while I was
going down the road at 70mph.

Swimming would probably work Ok, we bought one of those 20'x4' donut pools
we're putting up. but that's very seasonal where we live up in the
mountains. It'll probably be another month before I can use it. The nearest
public all-season pool is 80 mi. Hell, it's 80mi to McD's, PizzaHut, even a
Traffic light or 4-way stop.

I am going to try out an "Air-Walker" that a friend has. I can hang onto it
while I'm using it and I don't have the stepping motion, more like a
swinging motion. I looked at the 5BX sites and a couple of yoga sites. I'll
give them a try. I just got one of those big rubber bands from the
orthopedist. I can do that stuff sitting down.

Thanks for the ideas.

madhat

--
Some people will tell you that slow is good...and it may be, on some
days...but I am here to tell you that fast is better. I've always believed
this, in spite of the trouble it's caused me. Being shot out of a cannon
will always be better than being squeezed out of a tube. That is why God
made fast motorcycles, Bubba...."

Hunter S. Thompson

On Wed, 18 May 2005 17:48:37 -0700, madhat wrote:

Anyone have any ideas for a low-impact exercise program? The nearest thing
we have to a gym in the area is 80 mi from here.

I started a on a sort of modified diet Monday last week. I started at 400
and this morning was 388. I think I could do better if I could get some
exercise into the program.

My problem is bad back, bad right leg, and chronic pain from a work injury.
I was about 270 , 8 1/2 years ago before I became pretty much disabled and
could not get my usual exercise. I used to walk/jog 6mi a day and work the
weight machine a couple of times a week. Now I'm pretty much out of that.
It's the sh_ts living in mountains and Oregon and not being able to go
hunting and fishing anymore.

Every day I go try and work around the place or out in my shop, I'm laid up
for a day or two. I've been working on my 1/3 mi of fence for a month. I
might mention I am 6'6 so pretty much no matter what I'm doing its a bend or
stoop situation.

Oh crap, I'm starting to sound like a whiner.

Any way if anyone knows any good lo-impact, not to physical exercise for a
crippled up old fat guy, feel free to contribute.

Thanks,
madhat

Swimming, but that requires access to a suitable body of water. My
Grandma (88 years old, and sharp as a tack) swims 30 minutes daily. She
can't walk for exercise anymore because of trouble with her feet and
ankles. Grandma's condo building has an indoor pool.

My late Grandfather took up running at age 60, after he retired. He ran
the New York Marathon at age 72. He kept running until
Alzheimer's took the use of his legs at age 83. He didn't know who or
where he was, but he insisted on running every day, and was quite upset
when he couldn't do it any more. The physical therapists at the nursing
home had a hard time keeping up with him.

You should consult your physician before taking up any kind of exercise.

--
Ron DeBlock N2JSO 20 years on Usenet!
If God had meant for Man to see the sunrise,
He would have scheduled it later in the day.

Gunner writes:

Is there any inexpensive fireproofing chemicals that can be applied to
a pair of pants for example..that wont give you cancer or make your
pecker fall off?

When I was a kid there was a formula for some homemade stuff that
had Borax in it-- we tested it on some scrap cloth and it seemed
to work reasonably well (chars but won't sustain a flame on its own).

A Google search turned up a few variations on this theme. Borax
is considered non-toxic but may be a skin irritant, depending on
the concentration.

It's water soluable so it will wash out, but if you only wear it
for welding it might be worth re-treating each time (Borax is
relatively cheap).

Example:
http://ocw.mit.edu/NR/rdonlyres/Music-and-Theater-Arts/21M-735Spring2004/77C424A5-50DD-4F58-8DB6-5ECBFEF7C258/0/flameretar.pdf
(PDF file)

Formula 1: Borax - 6 parts, 6 lbs, Boric acid - 5 parts, 5 lbs,
Water - 100 parts, 12 gallons. Steep fabric in cool solution
until impregnated. Heavy applications by spray or brush are
usually reasonably effective. Repeat if necessary. This is good
for theater scenery fabric, and recommended for rayon and natural
fabrics. Yields a 8 - 12 % weighting.

Formula 2: Borax - 7 parts, 7 lbs, Boric acid - 3 parts, 3 lbs,
Water - 100 parts, 12 gallons. Water can be varied according to
absorptive capacity of fabric. For rayon and sheer fabrics, these
same amounts of borax and boric acid can be used with 17 gallons
of water. Hand-wring for an 8 - 10% weighting on fabric.
Flexibility and softness will be retained without dustiness, and
also microorganism growth is prevented.

Let the record show that Ron DeBlock wrote back on Fri,
20 May 2005 02:12:14 GMT in rec.crafts.metalworking :
On Wed, 18 May 2005 17:48:37 -0700, madhat wrote:

Anyone have any ideas for a low-impact exercise program? The nearest thing
we have to a gym in the area is 80 mi from here.

I started a on a sort of modified diet Monday last week. I started at 400
and this morning was 388. I think I could do better if I could get some
exercise into the program.

My problem is bad back, bad right leg, and chronic pain from a work injury.
I was about 270 , 8 1/2 years ago before I became pretty much disabled and
could not get my usual exercise. I used to walk/jog 6mi a day and work the
weight machine a couple of times a week. Now I'm pretty much out of that.
It's the sh_ts living in mountains and Oregon and not being able to go
hunting and fishing anymore.

Every day I go try and work around the place or out in my shop, I'm laid up
for a day or two. I've been working on my 1/3 mi of fence for a month. I
might mention I am 6'6 so pretty much no matter what I'm doing its a bend or
stoop situation.

Oh crap, I'm starting to sound like a whiner.

Any way if anyone knows any good lo-impact, not to physical exercise for a
crippled up old fat guy, feel free to contribute.

Thanks,
madhat

Swimming, but that requires access to a suitable body of water. My
Grandma (88 years old, and sharp as a tack) swims 30 minutes daily. She
can't walk for exercise anymore because of trouble with her feet and
ankles. Grandma's condo building has an indoor pool.

My late Grandfather took up running at age 60, after he retired. He ran
the New York Marathon at age 72. He kept running until
Alzheimer's took the use of his legs at age 83. He didn't know who or
where he was, but he insisted on running every day, and was quite upset
when he couldn't do it any more. The physical therapists at the nursing
home had a hard time keeping up with him.

The reports were that President Reagan's alzheimer's got to the point
he hardly recognized anyone, but he did remember he was a swimmer. So he
did, daily.
Of course, when you are the former president, you can get all manner of
swim facilities built for you.


tschus
pyotr

--
pyotr filipivich
We didn't have these sorts of problems when I was a boy,
back when snakes wore shoes and dirt was $2 a pound,
if you could find it. We had to make our own from rocks!

On Thu, 19 May 2005 14:58:11 -0700, Larry Jaques
wrote:

On Thu, 19 May 2005 16:18:13 GMT, the inscrutable Gunner
spake:

On Thu, 19 May 2005 08:45:44 -0500, Wayne Cook
wrote:

On Thu, 19 May 2005 04:50:45 GMT, Gunner
wrote:


Is there any inexpensive fireproofing chemicals that can be applied to
a pair of pants for example..that wont give you cancer or make your
pecker fall off?

Starch. If you starch your shirts and pants then they're much less
likely to have holes burned in them.

Really? No kidding?

Noted for next washday.

Gunner, wondering how a starched T-shirt is gonna feel.....

Uh, remember that starch is VIAGRA for CLOTH.
Ouch! They'll feel like yer ol' Sunday-go-ta-meetin' clothes.

Instead, the leather apron and sleeving/leggins that HF sells are
great for avoiding burns. (At $7.95, the apron was a steal.)


"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us)
off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
them self determination under "play nice" rules.

Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you
for torturing the cat." Gunner

Your Prez is off his leash, dude.

"America does not go abroad in search of monsters to destroy. She is
the well-wisher to the freedom and independence of all. She is the
champion and vindicator only of her own. She will recommend the
general cause by the countenance of her vice and the benignant
sympathy of her own example. She well knows that by once enlisting
under banners other than her own, were they even the banners of
foreign independence, she would involve herself beyond the power of
extrication, in all the wars of interest and intrigue, of individual
avarice, envy, ambition, which assumed the colors and usurped the
standards of freedom. The fundamental maxims of her policy would
insensibly change from liberty to force....She might become the
dictatress of the world. She would no longer be the ruler of her own
spirit."

--John Quincy Adams, address to the House of Reps on July 4th, 1821

Should you be reminded of the "shores of Tripoli"?

Gunner

"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us)
off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
them self determination under "play nice" rules.

Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you
for torturing the cat." Gunner

On Thu, 19 May 2005 15:05:04 -0700, Larry Jaques
wrote:


Probably no good for his leg/lower back problems. I'm doing Tai Chi
now and it's tough on my knees. Gotta keep getting the weight down.
High school: 182 lbs. Currently 208 lbs, down from 223. (Egad! I'm 5'
11".)

High school 215lbs (1970, 6'1
Boot camp 180 (1971 6'2"
Hospital in Honsu 164lb (1973 6'3")
1975-98 195lbs 6'2" (two back surgeries)
Today, 215 6"2"

I went from 34" waist to 36" waist, to 38" waist, over the last 5 yrs.

My biceps used to be 21". After the back surgeries...they faded away
when I could no longer do heavy stuff.

Though I can still see my belt buckle 99% of the time, Im having to
start to watch my diet. The meds dont help much either..
If I start putting on weight, I can tell because I start getting back
pain.

My hearing is going and my arms are not long enough anymore..sigh...

Gunner, 51


"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us)
off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
them self determination under "play nice" rules.

Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you
for torturing the cat." Gunner

On Fri, 20 May 2005 15:49:34 GMT, the inscrutable Gunner
spake:

Though I can still see my belt buckle 99% of the time, Im having to
start to watch my diet. The meds dont help much either..
If I start putting on weight, I can tell because I start getting back
pain.

My knees were my indicators.


My hearing is going and my arms are not long enough anymore..sigh...

Arms aren't long enough for what, reading or wrestlin' with Rosie?


Gunner, 51

Same age here.


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On Fri, 20 May 2005 15:25:41 GMT, the inscrutable Gunner
spake:

On Thu, 19 May 2005 14:58:11 -0700, Larry Jaques
wrote:

Your Prez is off his leash, dude.

"America does not go abroad in search of monsters to destroy. She is
the well-wisher to the freedom and independence of all. She is the
champion and vindicator only of her own. She will recommend the
general cause by the countenance of her vice and the benignant
sympathy of her own example. She well knows that by once enlisting
under banners other than her own, were they even the banners of
foreign independence, she would involve herself beyond the power of
extrication, in all the wars of interest and intrigue, of individual
avarice, envy, ambition, which assumed the colors and usurped the
standards of freedom. The fundamental maxims of her policy would
insensibly change from liberty to force....She might become the
dictatress of the world. She would no longer be the ruler of her own
spirit."

--John Quincy Adams, address to the House of Reps on July 4th, 1821

Should you be reminded of the "shores of Tripoli"?

The Barbary War, where we had to defeat pirates who threatened our new
country's lifeline? I know of no current pirates operating against us.

I was reminding you of our president's religious, oil-driven farce in
Iraq/Afghanistan/Syria?/NK?/etc. which is being presented to us as a
reaction to and cure for terrorism (theirs, not ours.)


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"madhat" wrote in message
...
Anyone have any ideas for a low-impact exercise program? The nearest thing
we have to a gym in the area is 80 mi from here.

I started a on a sort of modified diet Monday last week. I started at 400
and this morning was 388. I think I could do better if I could get some
exercise into the program.

My problem is bad back, bad right leg, and chronic pain from a work
injury.
I was about 270 , 8 1/2 years ago before I became pretty much disabled and
could not get my usual exercise. I used to walk/jog 6mi a day and work the
weight machine a couple of times a week. Now I'm pretty much out of that.
It's the sh_ts living in mountains and Oregon and not being able to go
hunting and fishing anymore.


Been there done that. I finally ended up with a gastric bypass that has
worked well (-150). Best exercise for you is walking -- one thing (from
experience) that can help .. well two things - back exercises AND
try wearing a daypack (or backpack) with some weight in it to sort
of "counterbalance" the pot. I myself used to have a massive chest -
as I get older, I still have it ... just about a foot lower ;-)

You don't say where you live in Oregon, but if you can get access to
water (pool, pond (depending on what part of the country) etc.),
swimming works very well and takes the load off your back. (Oregon
has a southern warm part and a northern cold part) ;-)

mikey

"Ignoramus32374" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 20 May 2005 17:40:45 -0700, Larry Jaques novalidaddress@di
wrote:
On Fri, 20 May 2005 15:49:34 GMT, the inscrutable Gunner
spake:

Though I can still see my belt buckle 99% of the time, Im having to
start to watch my diet. The meds dont help much either..
If I start putting on weight, I can tell because I start getting back
pain.


Unfortunately, I have to watch my diet all the time, I am a "naturally
fat" person.


I know that feeling -- I tell people I am ready for the great famine
when it comes. When I was in shape before (lots of bicycle riding
and very limited food intake), I found that as long as I stayed below
about 1400 calories per day AND rode my bike 150-200 miles
(yes, real miles) per week, I could stay stable. If my car was as
efficient as my body was, I could fill the tank once a year ...

mikey

On Fri, 20 May 2005 17:40:45 -0700, Larry Jaques
wrote:

On Fri, 20 May 2005 15:49:34 GMT, the inscrutable Gunner
spake:

Though I can still see my belt buckle 99% of the time, Im having to
start to watch my diet. The meds dont help much either..
If I start putting on weight, I can tell because I start getting back
pain.

My knees were my indicators.


My hearing is going and my arms are not long enough anymore..sigh...

Arms aren't long enough for what, reading or wrestlin' with Rosie?

Reading and fine detail work. I used to be able to pick out six points
of similarity on any of my fingerprints..while still on my
fingers..now Im having trouble focusing on my fingertips unless they
are at least 16" away..or more

Distance vision is still good, and can still use peep sights just
dandy, nor has it hurt my pistol shooting..but even soldering a board
needs reading glasses now. 1.25x from the dollar store work fine. At
the moment....




Gunner, 51

Same age here.


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"Considering the events of recent years,
the world has a long way to go to regain
its credibility and reputation with the US."
unknown

On Fri, 20 May 2005 18:23:00 -0700, Larry Jaques
wrote:

On Fri, 20 May 2005 15:25:41 GMT, the inscrutable Gunner
spake:

On Thu, 19 May 2005 14:58:11 -0700, Larry Jaques
wrote:

Your Prez is off his leash, dude.

"America does not go abroad in search of monsters to destroy. She is
the well-wisher to the freedom and independence of all. She is the
champion and vindicator only of her own. She will recommend the
general cause by the countenance of her vice and the benignant
sympathy of her own example. She well knows that by once enlisting
under banners other than her own, were they even the banners of
foreign independence, she would involve herself beyond the power of
extrication, in all the wars of interest and intrigue, of individual
avarice, envy, ambition, which assumed the colors and usurped the
standards of freedom. The fundamental maxims of her policy would
insensibly change from liberty to force....She might become the
dictatress of the world. She would no longer be the ruler of her own
spirit."

--John Quincy Adams, address to the House of Reps on July 4th, 1821

Should you be reminded of the "shores of Tripoli"?

The Barbary War, where we had to defeat pirates who threatened our new
country's lifeline? I know of no current pirates operating against us.

http://www.jaysnet.com/666-2004-twin-towers.jpg

I was reminding you of our president's religious, oil-driven farce in
Iraq/Afghanistan/Syria?/NK?/etc. which is being presented to us as a
reaction to and cure for terrorism (theirs, not ours.)


Interesting collection of buzzwords you managed to link together. Your
handlers at the DNC would be proud.

Gunner


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"Considering the events of recent years,
the world has a long way to go to regain
its credibility and reputation with the US."
unknown

On Sat, 21 May 2005 09:27:42 GMT, the inscrutable Gunner
spake:

On Fri, 20 May 2005 17:40:45 -0700, Larry Jaques
wrote:

Arms aren't long enough for what, reading or wrestlin' with Rosie?

Reading and fine detail work. I used to be able to pick out six points
of similarity on any of my fingerprints..while still on my
fingers..now Im having trouble focusing on my fingertips unless they
are at least 16" away..or more

Distance vision is still good, and can still use peep sights just
dandy, nor has it hurt my pistol shooting..but even soldering a board
needs reading glasses now. 1.25x from the dollar store work fine. At
the moment....

I'm at 1.25 diopter distance, 2.25x computer, and 4x reading now.
And both eyes have opposite astigmatisms. I'm a mess in my old age.



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On Sat, 21 May 2005 09:30:46 GMT, the inscrutable Gunner
spake:

Should you be reminded of the "shores of Tripoli"?

The Barbary War, where we had to defeat pirates who threatened our new
country's lifeline? I know of no current pirates operating against us.

http://www.jaysnet.com/666-2004-twin-towers.jpg

A picture of your president's bestest Saudi buddy's family terrorism
is not an Iraqi act of piracy. (I suppose hijacking is air piracy.)
Why didn't the CIA just clean up its own mess?


I was reminding you of our president's religious, oil-driven farce in
Iraq/Afghanistan/Syria?/NK?/etc. which is being presented to us as a
reaction to and cure for terrorism (theirs, not ours.)

Interesting collection of buzzwords you managed to link together. Your
handlers at the DNC would be proud.

Hehehe. You know better than that, and I could say the same thing
about your RNC handlers, dude. Take the blinders off and see the
truth, will ya? Why are you supporting Shrub & his puppetmasters?


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On Sat, 21 May 2005 06:37:06 -0700, Larry Jaques
wrote:

On Sat, 21 May 2005 09:30:46 GMT, the inscrutable Gunner
spake:

Should you be reminded of the "shores of Tripoli"?

The Barbary War, where we had to defeat pirates who threatened our new
country's lifeline? I know of no current pirates operating against us.

http://www.jaysnet.com/666-2004-twin-towers.jpg

A picture of your president's bestest Saudi buddy's family terrorism
is not an Iraqi act of piracy. (I suppose hijacking is air piracy.)
Why didn't the CIA just clean up its own mess?

How come you werent asking that question during any of the 8 serious
terrorist attacks that occured during Bubba's Administration..and of
the CIA that was staffed by Bubba appointees?


I was reminding you of our president's religious, oil-driven farce in
Iraq/Afghanistan/Syria?/NK?/etc. which is being presented to us as a
reaction to and cure for terrorism (theirs, not ours.)

Interesting collection of buzzwords you managed to link together. Your
handlers at the DNC would be proud.

Hehehe. You know better than that, and I could say the same thing
about your RNC handlers, dude. Take the blinders off and see the
truth, will ya? Why are you supporting Shrub & his puppetmasters?


Because I happen to agree with their actions for the large part.
As Ive stated before, Im an ameatur student of military history and
the geopolitical causes and effects and I for the most part..agree
with what we are doing in the ME. Frankly..the only fault I can find
with Bush & Co. of any import is their stance on illegal immigration.

What you consider to be dada "DA TRUTH" oooooommm...is no more and
no less colored by your dislike of the man, the fact that Dems are an
ever increasing cranky and whining minority and your generic DNC
dislike of conservativism in general.

Asking the average Liberal about this administration evokes pretty
much the same kneejerk reaction, and with as much validity, as asking
any Nazi party official about the Jews.

Your opinion is noted again and again. As is mine.

Gunner


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"Considering the events of recent years,
the world has a long way to go to regain
its credibility and reputation with the US."
unknown

I'm on the east side, in the mountains. The nearest anything from here is
about 80 mi away (McDs, Safeway, movie, even a traffic light.) I do have one
of those 20'x4' donut pools but it will still be another 2 weeks to a month
before we can use it. Unless I can figure out how to build a heater. Then we
can't really use it after labor day, too cold.

The terrain here is all uphill even when your going downhill. I can't even
get around my place without my crutches or my Honda 90 trailbike (no wise
cracks). Of course it looks like I have a rollerblade stuck you know where.

A friend had some trial backsurgery last year and it worked great. I had
hi-hopes for that. Then another friend had the same surgery and it did not
work for him, so I'm not going to take the chance. I already have enough
problems without to them.

Everyone have a good day. This is the first sunshine we've had since the
first of the week.

Bob

--
Some people will tell you that slow is good...and it may be, on some
days...but I am here to tell you that fast is better. I've always believed
this, in spite of the trouble it's caused me. Being shot out of a cannon
will always be better than being squeezed out of a tube. That is why God
made fast motorcycles, Bubba...."

Hunter S. Thompson

"Gunner" wrote in message
Asking the average Liberal about this administration evokes pretty
much the same kneejerk reaction, and with as much validity, as asking
any Nazi party official about the Jews.

Your opinion is noted again and again. As is mine.

Gunner




It is just amazing to me how a thread about work pants can turn into a
political one. Simply amazing. Some peoples kids......

Lane

On Sat, 21 May 2005 11:57:48 -0700, "Lane" lane (no spam) at
copperaccents dot com wrote:


"Gunner" wrote in message
Asking the average Liberal about this administration evokes pretty
much the same kneejerk reaction, and with as much validity, as asking
any Nazi party official about the Jews.

Your opinion is noted again and again. As is mine.

Gunner




It is just amazing to me how a thread about work pants can turn into a
political one. Simply amazing. Some peoples kids......

Lane

Check the thread and see who twisted off.

Twernt me.

Gunner



"Considering the events of recent years,
the world has a long way to go to regain
its credibility and reputation with the US."
unknown

"Gunner" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 21 May 2005 11:57:48 -0700, "Lane" lane (no spam) at
copperaccents dot com wrote:


"Gunner" wrote in message
Asking the average Liberal about this administration evokes pretty
much the same kneejerk reaction, and with as much validity, as asking
any Nazi party official about the Jews.

Your opinion is noted again and again. As is mine.

Gunner




It is just amazing to me how a thread about work pants can turn into a
political one. Simply amazing. Some peoples kids......

Lane

Check the thread and see who twisted off.

Twernt me.

Gunner

I wasn't implying that it was you Gunner, sorry if it sounded that
way.shrug!?
Lane

Gunner wrote:
On Fri, 20 May 2005 17:40:45 -0700, Larry Jaques
wrote:


On Fri, 20 May 2005 15:49:34 GMT, the inscrutable Gunner
spake:


Though I can still see my belt buckle 99% of the time, Im having to
start to watch my diet. The meds dont help much either..
If I start putting on weight, I can tell because I start getting back
pain.

My knees were my indicators.



My hearing is going and my arms are not long enough anymore..sigh...

Arms aren't long enough for what, reading or wrestlin' with Rosie?


Reading and fine detail work. I used to be able to pick out six points
of similarity on any of my fingerprints..while still on my
fingers..now Im having trouble focusing on my fingertips unless they
are at least 16" away..or more

Distance vision is still good, and can still use peep sights just
dandy, nor has it hurt my pistol shooting..but even soldering a board
needs reading glasses now. 1.25x from the dollar store work fine. At
the moment....

Gunner, 51

Same age here.

It will only get worse. I can't shoot a pistol nearly as well as I
could a few years ago.

-jc- (58)

Lawrence L'Hote wrote:

"MikeMandaville" wrote in message
oups.com...
Recently, I remarked that I was repairing some Levis which had a
hol
other pairs which are in the same condition, and, at forty dollars
a
pair, I guess I will be saving myself more than a hundred dollars
here.


IMHO Levis are overpriced and, with their stone-washed process, don't
last.
I now buy Key jeans....no stone washed crap and they are better than
Levis
or those cowboy Wranglers.. You need to buy the next size up
because they
shrink like the 'original' Levis did back when they were affordable.
With
my big butt and long legs I would have to pay $50 or so for Levis...
Key
jeans are made in central and south America probably the same factory
as
Levi's...
Here is one place you used to be able to get them. Right now their
site
only shows carpenter jeans...

http://www.bootcity.net/key/4874.48%20Jeans%20.htm

Larry

--
Columbia, MO
www.llhote.com

I've had it with these Levis now. I just put the fourth patch on the
first pair, and they're all ready for the fifth patch now. Today I'm
going to purchase a pattern for some bluejeans, so I can pick out the
material myself, rather than having to settle for whatever the
manufacturer wants to use. I never used a sewing machine before, but
I'm sure that my mother won't mind loaning me hers. I might as well
make myself a blue denim jacket also while I'm at it.

Mike Mandaville
Austin, Texas

On 23 May 2005 03:25:01 -0700, "MikeMandaville"
wrote:


--
Columbia, MO
www.llhote.com

I've had it with these Levis now. I just put the fourth patch on the
first pair, and they're all ready for the fifth patch now. Today I'm
going to purchase a pattern for some bluejeans, so I can pick out the
material myself, rather than having to settle for whatever the
manufacturer wants to use. I never used a sewing machine before, but
I'm sure that my mother won't mind loaning me hers. I might as well
make myself a blue denim jacket also while I'm at it.

Mike Mandaville
Austin, Texas

Consider using canvas instead of denim. And double reinforce the
knees.

Gunner

"Considering the events of recent years,
the world has a long way to go to regain
its credibility and reputation with the US."
unknown

Let the record show that Gunner wrote back on Sat,
21 May 2005 09:27:42 GMT in rec.crafts.metalworking :

My hearing is going and my arms are not long enough anymore..sigh...

Arms aren't long enough for what, reading or wrestlin' with Rosie?

Reading and fine detail work. I used to be able to pick out six points
of similarity on any of my fingerprints..while still on my
fingers..now Im having trouble focusing on my fingertips unless they
are at least 16" away..or more

Distance vision is still good, and can still use peep sights just
dandy, nor has it hurt my pistol shooting..but even soldering a board
needs reading glasses now. 1.25x from the dollar store work fine. At
the moment....

I'm in the trifocal "progressive" lenses. And thinking about getting a
set of reading 1/2 glasses to slip in front for reading mics and stuff.

Urg. Too soon old ...


tschus
pyotr


--
pyotr filipivich
We didn't have these sorts of problems when I was a boy,
back when snakes wore shoes and dirt was $2 a pound,
if you could find it. We had to make our own from rocks!

pyotr filipivich wrote:

Let the record show that Gunner wrote back on Sat,
21 May 2005 09:27:42 GMT in rec.crafts.metalworking :

My hearing is going and my arms are not long enough anymore..sigh...

Arms aren't long enough for what, reading or wrestlin' with Rosie?

Reading and fine detail work. I used to be able to pick out six points
of similarity on any of my fingerprints..while still on my
fingers..now Im having trouble focusing on my fingertips unless they
are at least 16" away..or more

Distance vision is still good, and can still use peep sights just
dandy, nor has it hurt my pistol shooting..but even soldering a board
needs reading glasses now. 1.25x from the dollar store work fine. At
the moment....


I'm in the trifocal "progressive" lenses. And thinking about getting a
set of reading 1/2 glasses to slip in front for reading mics and stuff.

You either love or hate those progressive lenses and
I'm definitely in the 'hate' class.

I have work glasses, hard bifocals with the top
good out to about 30' and in to about 2' feet,
the bottom bifocal lens is good from 1' to 2',
then I go to magnifying glass, loupe and stereo
microscope in that order.

I have night driving glasses that the opto made
as I directed, sweet spot at about 200 feet and
still crystal-clear at infinity with my eyes fully
dark-adapted. It was remarkable to go out at night
and see pinpoints for stars instead of blobs. The
opto is going to write a paper for a journal about
my night driving glasses.

But my arms are still good.