On 16 May 2005 14:15:39 GMT, Ignoramus21310
wrote:

For the last year, I wore some military surplus pants when I was
doinbg various work. They were nice because they are very
accommodating, have big pockets, and also can get quite dirty without
looking ugly.

Unfortunately, they are not that strong and wear easily.

Any suggestions for similar pants made from stronger material?

i

Swiss and Italian mil-surp pants are actually much tougher. You can
find them at Majors Surplus and so forth on line.

Then..,there is Carhartt.

Gunner

"Considering the events of recent years,
the world has a long way to go to regain
its credibility and reputation with the US."
unknown

Recently, I remarked that I was repairing some Levis which had a hole
in the seat, by using some silicone adhesive, and a six-pound anvil for
a glue press. Well, I am happy to report that the patch job has gone
through the first wash, and is holding up just fine. I don't have a
proper lounge chair, so when I slouch down at my computer, I put my
hips on a speaker box. I guess that's how it happens. I have two
other pairs which are in the same condition, and, at forty dollars a
pair, I guess I will be saving myself more than a hundred dollars here.

Mike Mandaville
Austin, Texas
I am building a six-inch cupola furnace, for which I will be making
charcoal briquettes

"MikeMandaville" wrote in message
oups.com...
Recently, I remarked that I was repairing some Levis which had a hol
other pairs which are in the same condition, and, at forty dollars a
pair, I guess I will be saving myself more than a hundred dollars here.


IMHO Levis are overpriced and, with their stone-washed process, don't last.
I now buy Key jeans....no stone washed crap and they are better than Levis
or those cowboy Wranglers.. You need to buy the next size up because they
shrink like the 'original' Levis did back when they were affordable. With
my big butt and long legs I would have to pay $50 or so for Levis... Key
jeans are made in central and south America probably the same factory as
Levi's...
Here is one place you used to be able to get them. Right now their site
only shows carpenter jeans...

http://www.bootcity.net/key/4874.48%20Jeans%20.htm

Larry

--
Columbia, MO
www.llhote.com

In article BC7ie.80$z_.22@attbi_s71, says...

"MikeMandaville" wrote in message
oups.com...
Recently, I remarked that I was repairing some Levis which had a hol
other pairs which are in the same condition, and, at forty dollars a
pair, I guess I will be saving myself more than a hundred dollars here.


IMHO Levis are overpriced and, with their stone-washed process, don't last.
I now buy Key jeans....no stone washed crap and they are better than Levis
or those cowboy Wranglers.. You need to buy the next size up because they
shrink like the 'original' Levis did back when they were affordable. With
my big butt and long legs I would have to pay $50 or so for Levis... Key
jeans are made in central and south America probably the same factory as
Levi's...
Here is one place you used to be able to get them. Right now their site
only shows carpenter jeans...

http://www.bootcity.net/key/4874.48%20Jeans%20.htm


And if you favor suspender buttons and a high waist you can get Key
logger jeans here...

http://www.swainsinc.com/storeframe.html?
store/key_jeans_detail.html~mainFrame

Pretty much the same as the logger jeans Lee used to make. The black
jeans are a slimmer cut - I don't find them as comfortable as the blue
jeans.

Those Welch suspenders are also very nice.

Ned Simmons

On Mon, 16 May 2005 20:44:17 GMT, "Lawrence L'Hote"
wrote:


IMHO Levis are overpriced and, with their stone-washed process, don't last.
I now buy Key jeans....no stone washed crap and they are better than Levis
or those cowboy Wranglers.. You need to buy the next size up because they
shrink like the 'original' Levis did back when they were affordable. With
my big butt and long legs I would have to pay $50 or so for Levis... Key
jeans are made in central and south America probably the same factory as
Levi's...
Here is one place you used to be able to get them. Right now their site
only shows carpenter jeans...

http://www.bootcity.net/key/4874.48%20Jeans%20.htm

Larry

I buy my "cowboy cut", "slim fit", Wranglers from the local feed and
grain store for $19,95 a pair

Sounds like yall are shopping in one of those Saturday Nite Cowboy
Botiques.

Gunner


"Considering the events of recent years,
the world has a long way to go to regain
its credibility and reputation with the US."
unknown

On Tue, 17 May 2005 09:34:34 GMT, the inscrutable Gunner
spake:

On Mon, 16 May 2005 20:44:17 GMT, "Lawrence L'Hote"
wrote:


IMHO Levis are overpriced and, with their stone-washed process, don't last.
I now buy Key jeans....no stone washed crap and they are better than Levis
or those cowboy Wranglers.. You need to buy the next size up because they
shrink like the 'original' Levis did back when they were affordable. With
my big butt and long legs I would have to pay $50 or so for Levis... Key
jeans are made in central and south America probably the same factory as
Levi's...
Here is one place you used to be able to get them. Right now their site
only shows carpenter jeans...

http://www.bootcity.net/key/4874.48%20Jeans%20.htm

Larry

I buy my "cowboy cut", "slim fit", Wranglers from the local feed and
grain store for $19,95 a pair

Boot-cut Rustler jeans: $10 at Wally World or $8 on sale at BiMart.
Good fit, good Levi-color blues, metal zippers, riveted pockets.
Cain't beat 'em, y'hear?


------
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On Tue, 17 May 2005 04:27:51 -0700, Larry Jaques
wrote:

On Tue, 17 May 2005 09:34:34 GMT, the inscrutable Gunner
spake:

On Mon, 16 May 2005 20:44:17 GMT, "Lawrence L'Hote"
wrote:


IMHO Levis are overpriced and, with their stone-washed process, don't last.
I now buy Key jeans....no stone washed crap and they are better than Levis
or those cowboy Wranglers.. You need to buy the next size up because they
shrink like the 'original' Levis did back when they were affordable. With
my big butt and long legs I would have to pay $50 or so for Levis... Key
jeans are made in central and south America probably the same factory as
Levi's...
Here is one place you used to be able to get them. Right now their site
only shows carpenter jeans...

http://www.bootcity.net/key/4874.48%20Jeans%20.htm

Larry

I buy my "cowboy cut", "slim fit", Wranglers from the local feed and
grain store for $19,95 a pair

Boot-cut Rustler jeans: $10 at Wally World or $8 on sale at BiMart.
Good fit, good Levi-color blues, metal zippers, riveted pockets.
Cain't beat 'em, y'hear?

In my neck of the woods...the ladies have bumper stickers that read..

"Wrangler Butts drive me nuts!"... hence the popularity of Wrangler
jeans with men in the know. G

Gunner



------
We're born hungry, wet, 'n naked, and it gets worse from there.
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"Considering the events of recent years,
the world has a long way to go to regain
its credibility and reputation with the US."
unknown

"Gunner" wrote:
"Lawrence L'Hote" wrote:


IMHO Levis are overpriced and, with their stone-washed process, don't
last.
I now buy Key jeans....no stone washed crap and they are better than
Levis
or those cowboy Wranglers.. You need to buy the next size up because
they
shrink like the 'original' Levis did back when they were affordable.
With
my big butt and long legs I would have to pay $50 or so for Levis...
Key
jeans are made in central and south America probably the same factory as
Levi's...
Here is one place you used to be able to get them. Right now their site
only shows carpenter jeans...

http://www.bootcity.net/key/4874.48%20Jeans%20.htm

Larry

I buy my "cowboy cut", "slim fit", Wranglers from the local feed and
grain store for $19,95 a pair

I get the relaxed fit Wranglers at China*Mart for about $15.00 a pair.
Easier to move around in, at least for me.

Jon

Lawrence L'Hote wrote:

"MikeMandaville" wrote in message
oups.com...
Recently, I remarked that I was repairing some Levis which had a
hol
other pairs which are in the same condition, and, at forty dollars
a
pair, I guess I will be saving myself more than a hundred dollars
here.


IMHO Levis are overpriced and, with their stone-washed process, don't
last.
I now buy Key jeans....no stone washed crap and they are better than
Levis
or those cowboy Wranglers.. You need to buy the next size up
because they
shrink like the 'original' Levis did back when they were affordable.
With
my big butt and long legs I would have to pay $50 or so for Levis...
Key
jeans are made in central and south America probably the same factory
as
Levi's...
Here is one place you used to be able to get them. Right now their
site
only shows carpenter jeans...

http://www.bootcity.net/key/4874.48%20Jeans%20.htm

Larry

--
Columbia, MO
www.llhote.com

I've had it with these Levis now. I just put the fourth patch on the
first pair, and they're all ready for the fifth patch now. Today I'm
going to purchase a pattern for some bluejeans, so I can pick out the
material myself, rather than having to settle for whatever the
manufacturer wants to use. I never used a sewing machine before, but
I'm sure that my mother won't mind loaning me hers. I might as well
make myself a blue denim jacket also while I'm at it.

Mike Mandaville
Austin, Texas

On 23 May 2005 03:25:01 -0700, "MikeMandaville"
wrote:


--
Columbia, MO
www.llhote.com

I've had it with these Levis now. I just put the fourth patch on the
first pair, and they're all ready for the fifth patch now. Today I'm
going to purchase a pattern for some bluejeans, so I can pick out the
material myself, rather than having to settle for whatever the
manufacturer wants to use. I never used a sewing machine before, but
I'm sure that my mother won't mind loaning me hers. I might as well
make myself a blue denim jacket also while I'm at it.

Mike Mandaville
Austin, Texas

Consider using canvas instead of denim. And double reinforce the
knees.

Gunner

"Considering the events of recent years,
the world has a long way to go to regain
its credibility and reputation with the US."
unknown

I recently picked up a pair of Key brand coveralls at a local safety
supplier. I wanted some coveralls that were really sturdy, all cotton so I
can weld with them on, and not have to wash 'em three times a week. I
didn't pay a whole lot, got what I wanted, and I like 'em, which is hard for
someone with my build to say. The coveralls were the f'in' ugly things that
plaint maintenance guys always wear, and now I know why. At any rate, I
found another place that sells lots of Key brand jeans, which looked really
good and sturdy. Used to wear Levi's, but the price pegged and the quality
sunk, so next time I go looking for jeans I'm going to try those on (NFI,
thank you very much!) http://keyindustriesinc.com/

"Ignoramus21310" wrote in message
...
| For the last year, I wore some military surplus pants when I was
| doinbg various work. They were nice because they are very
| accommodating, have big pockets, and also can get quite dirty without
| looking ugly.
|
| Unfortunately, they are not that strong and wear easily.
|
| Any suggestions for similar pants made from stronger material?
|
| i

My question is on behalf of my wife who despairs of our son ( the welder)
ever having clean clothers again. What is it about synthetics and welding
that makes them need to be washed more often? I can understand the melting
risk but what else goes on?

John

"carl mciver" wrote in message
nk.net...
I recently picked up a pair of Key brand coveralls at a local safety
supplier. I wanted some coveralls that were really sturdy, all cotton so
I
can weld with them on, and not have to wash 'em three times a week. I
didn't pay a whole lot, got what I wanted, and I like 'em, which is hard
for
someone with my build to say. The coveralls were the f'in' ugly things
that
plaint maintenance guys always wear, and now I know why. At any rate, I
found another place that sells lots of Key brand jeans, which looked
really
good and sturdy. Used to wear Levi's, but the price pegged and the
quality
sunk, so next time I go looking for jeans I'm going to try those on (NFI,
thank you very much!) http://keyindustriesinc.com/

"Ignoramus21310" wrote in message
...
| For the last year, I wore some military surplus pants when I was
| doinbg various work. They were nice because they are very
| accommodating, have big pockets, and also can get quite dirty without
| looking ugly.
|
| Unfortunately, they are not that strong and wear easily.
|
| Any suggestions for similar pants made from stronger material?
|
| i

On Mon, 16 May 2005 22:01:53 GMT, the inscrutable "John Hall"
spake:

My question is on behalf of my wife who despairs of our son ( the welder)
ever having clean clothers again. What is it about synthetics and welding
that makes them need to be washed more often? I can understand the melting
risk but what else goes on?

Synthetics pick up and retain stains and odors much more quickly
and tenaciously.


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Thanks. We'll bear this in mind.

John
"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 16 May 2005 22:01:53 GMT, the inscrutable "John Hall"
spake:

My question is on behalf of my wife who despairs of our son ( the welder)
ever having clean clothers again. What is it about synthetics and welding
that makes them need to be washed more often? I can understand the melting
risk but what else goes on?

Synthetics pick up and retain stains and odors much more quickly
and tenaciously.


------------------------------------------
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"Gunner" wrote in message
...
On 16 May 2005 14:15:39 GMT, Ignoramus21310
wrote:

For the last year, I wore some military surplus pants when I was
doinbg various work. They were nice because they are very
accommodating, have big pockets, and also can get quite dirty without
looking ugly.

Unfortunately, they are not that strong and wear easily.

Any suggestions for similar pants made from stronger material?

i

Swiss and Italian mil-surp pants are actually much tougher. You can
find them at Majors Surplus and so forth on line.

Then..,there is Carhartt.

Gunner

Carhartt jeans and coats seem to be overpriced and made from material that
self destructs as soon as they get a little hole in them. I have been buying
Dickies coats and insulated coveralls and Levi jeans,( the old dark blue
unwashed ones for $27.00)
Steve

On Mon, 16 May 2005 19:40:37 -0500, "Sven" wrote:


"Gunner" wrote in message
.. .
On 16 May 2005 14:15:39 GMT, Ignoramus21310
wrote:

For the last year, I wore some military surplus pants when I was
doinbg various work. They were nice because they are very
accommodating, have big pockets, and also can get quite dirty without
looking ugly.

Unfortunately, they are not that strong and wear easily.

Any suggestions for similar pants made from stronger material?

i

Swiss and Italian mil-surp pants are actually much tougher. You can
find them at Majors Surplus and so forth on line.

Then..,there is Carhartt.

Gunner

Carhartt jeans and coats seem to be overpriced and made from material that
self destructs as soon as they get a little hole in them. I have been buying
Dickies coats and insulated coveralls and Levi jeans,( the old dark blue
unwashed ones for $27.00)
Steve

Dickies are very good too. But Ive never had Carhartts go bad. Ive
worn them out though..but it takes some doing.

I wear bib overalls a lot. Oshcosh(sp?) are good also.

Gunner

"Considering the events of recent years,
the world has a long way to go to regain
its credibility and reputation with the US."
unknown

Let the record show that Gunner wrote back on Tue,
17 May 2005 09:36:55 GMT in rec.crafts.metalworking :
On Mon, 16 May 2005 19:40:37 -0500, "Sven" wrote:


"Gunner" wrote in message
. ..
On 16 May 2005 14:15:39 GMT, Ignoramus21310
wrote:

For the last year, I wore some military surplus pants when I was
doinbg various work. They were nice because they are very
accommodating, have big pockets, and also can get quite dirty without
looking ugly.

Unfortunately, they are not that strong and wear easily.

Any suggestions for similar pants made from stronger material?

i

Swiss and Italian mil-surp pants are actually much tougher. You can
find them at Majors Surplus and so forth on line.

Then..,there is Carhartt.

Gunner

Carhartt jeans and coats seem to be overpriced and made from material that
self destructs as soon as they get a little hole in them. I have been buying
Dickies coats and insulated coveralls and Levi jeans,( the old dark blue
unwashed ones for $27.00)
Steve

Dickies are very good too. But Ive never had Carhartts go bad. Ive
worn them out though..but it takes some doing.

I wear bib overalls a lot. Oshcosh(sp?) are good also.

Oshkosh,by gosh! (I've helped enough kids in and out to remember.)

The funny story is the Christmas my step mom got my Dad a pair of
overalls for Christmas, they were all the rage. It was the thought which
counted, I think he wore them once. But he remembers when denim was for
work, farm work specifically, and overalls were for po' folk. Grew up in
the Great Depression. And the stigma had stuck with him.
Of course, for him, "casual business" was a cardigan sweater and tie.

I'm BDUs for working, and hanging out, jeans are for "casual."
(anything which doesn't require a tie. Of course, I remember when in
Hawaii "formal" mean "wear shoes."

tschus
pyotr



--
pyotr filipivich
"If once a man indulges himself in Murder, very soon he comes
to think little of Robbing, and from Robbing he comes next to
Drinking and Sabbath-breaking, and from that to Incivility and
Procrastination." T. De Quincy (1785-1859) "Murder Considered As One of the Fine Arts"

Gunner wrote:
On Mon, 16 May 2005 19:40:37 -0500, "Sven" wrote:


"Gunner" wrote in message
. ..
On 16 May 2005 14:15:39 GMT, Ignoramus21310
wrote:

For the last year, I wore some military surplus pants when I was
doinbg various work. They were nice because they are very
accommodating, have big pockets, and also can get quite dirty without
looking ugly.

Unfortunately, they are not that strong and wear easily.

Any suggestions for similar pants made from stronger material?

i

Swiss and Italian mil-surp pants are actually much tougher. You can
find them at Majors Surplus and so forth on line.

Then..,there is Carhartt.

Gunner

Carhartt jeans and coats seem to be overpriced and made from material that
self destructs as soon as they get a little hole in them. I have been buying
Dickies coats and insulated coveralls and Levi jeans,( the old dark blue
unwashed ones for $27.00)
Steve

The stiching has been getting junkier of the past few years and I suspect my carhartt pants wear faster than the used to. I've had some belt loops rip out and I don't even wear a belt on a few pairs made in the last two years.


Dickies are very good too. But Ive never had Carhartts go bad. Ive
worn them out though..but it takes some doing.

Dickies insulated pants are warm but have a really stange cut that causes plumber ass. Their regular carpenter jeans seem ok.

I wear bib overalls a lot. Oshcosh(sp?) are good also.

Their stuff is no longer work wear.


Gunner

"Considering the events of recent years,
the world has a long way to go to regain
its credibility and reputation with the US."
unknown

On 16 May 2005 14:15:39 GMT, Ignoramus21310
wrote:

For the last year, I wore some military surplus pants when I was
doinbg various work. They were nice because they are very
accommodating, have big pockets, and also can get quite dirty without
looking ugly.

Unfortunately, they are not that strong and wear easily.

Any suggestions for similar pants made from stronger material?

When all else fails: Kirkland Signature blue denim jeans, $12 a
pair and they wear better than most. Costco rules. ;-)

-- Bruce --

--
Bruce L. Bergman, Woodland Hills (Los Angeles) CA - Desktop
Electrician for Westend Electric - CA726700
5737 Kanan Rd. #359, Agoura CA 91301 (818) 889-9545
Spamtrapped address: Remove the python and the invalid, and use a net.

Bruce L. Bergman wrote:

pair and they wear better than most. Costco rules. ;-)


Yeah, the cost co "rules" are, the larger the size, the fewer they
ship to each store, and nothing over 2x.

jk

On Mon, 16 May 2005 23:29:01 -0700, jk wrote:
Bruce L. Bergman wrote:

pair and they wear better than most. Costco rules. ;-)

Yeah, the cost co "rules" are, the larger the size, the fewer they
ship to each store, and nothing over 2x.

I'm 40X32. It might take you a little digging for 40's or 42's, but
they stock enough large sizes - they always seem to have 44 jeans
left, though. They sell what moves, most of their customers don't
need to shop with Omar The Tentmaker.

If wearing 44's or 2X shirts is a faded and distant memory, that's a
less-than-subtle hint to "Put Down The Fork, and back slowly away from
the table..." ;-P Then go walk around the block a few times.

-- Bruce --
--
Bruce L. Bergman, Woodland Hills (Los Angeles) CA - Desktop
Electrician for Westend Electric - CA726700
5737 Kanan Rd. #359, Agoura CA 91301 (818) 889-9545
Spamtrapped address: Remove the python and the invalid, and use a net.

Bruce L. Bergman wrote:



I'm 40X32. It might take you a little digging for 40's or 42's, but
they stock enough large sizes - they always seem to have 44 jeans
left, though. They sell what moves, most of their customers don't
need to shop with Omar The Tentmaker.



If wearing 44's or 2X shirts is a faded and distant memory, that's a
less-than-subtle hint to "Put Down The Fork, and back slowly away from
the table..." ;-P Then go walk around the block a few times.

-- Bruce --

What a set of rude assumptions.
What movement away from the table is going to make my arms shrink in
length?


jk

In article ,
jk wrote:

Bruce L. Bergman wrote:



I'm 40X32. It might take you a little digging for 40's or 42's, but
they stock enough large sizes - they always seem to have 44 jeans
left, though. They sell what moves, most of their customers don't
need to shop with Omar The Tentmaker.



If wearing 44's or 2X shirts is a faded and distant memory, that's a
less-than-subtle hint to "Put Down The Fork, and back slowly away from
the table..." ;-P Then go walk around the block a few times.

-- Bruce --

What a set of rude assumptions.
What movement away from the table is going to make my arms shrink in
length?


jk

Have a different problem, arm girth. I'm a semi-pro blacksmith and
frequent wheelchair rider, (MS & PPS) so have decently developed arms
and chest as a result.

If I have a few weeks of steady smithing, by the end I can hardly fit my
upper arms through the sleeves of shirts that usually fit and they get
tight across the chest. I know: We should all have such problems!

But seriously, it's a damn nuisance having to have two distinct sizes of
shirts because my normal sizes fit well when I'm not hammering
regularly. The larger sizes just don't fit as well when I am working.

Vanity, vanity, all is vanity.

Is a puzzlement.

In article ,
Ignoramus21310 wrote:

For the last year, I wore some military surplus pants when I was
doinbg various work. They were nice because they are very
accommodating, have big pockets, and also can get quite dirty without
looking ugly.

Unfortunately, they are not that strong and wear easily.

Any suggestions for similar pants made from stronger material?

i

I find that the older slacks that show up at Goodwill and other
thrift stores last a damn long time. They usually bite it when I snag
them on something and tear a chunk loose. The pair I've been wearing to
work for the last few weeks survived a year of tech school and tons of
yard work getting washed weekly and is just now starting to fray.
Got 'em for $4 too.

--
B.B. --I am not a goat! thegoat4 at airmail dot net
http://web2.airmail.net/thegoat4/

On Wed, 18 May 2005 10:47:20 -0500, "B.B."
u wrote:

In article ,
Ignoramus21310 wrote:

For the last year, I wore some military surplus pants when I was
doinbg various work. They were nice because they are very
accommodating, have big pockets, and also can get quite dirty without
looking ugly.

Unfortunately, they are not that strong and wear easily.

Any suggestions for similar pants made from stronger material?

i

I find that the older slacks that show up at Goodwill and other
thrift stores last a damn long time. They usually bite it when I snag
them on something and tear a chunk loose. The pair I've been wearing to
work for the last few weeks survived a year of tech school and tons of
yard work getting washed weekly and is just now starting to fray.
Got 'em for $4 too.

I buy most of my clothing at second hand stores. Bib overalls for $6,
jeans for $5, shirts for $2..that short of thing.

Just remember when purchasing clothing to stay away from the
synthetics for working around hot stuff and fire. Many of the
polyester blended stuff will melt and stick to your skin. Best to stay
with cottons and wools.

Is there any inexpensive fireproofing chemicals that can be applied to
a pair of pants for example..that wont give you cancer or make your
pecker fall off?

Gunner, with many shirts and jeans with weld burns in them

"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us)
off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
them self determination under "play nice" rules.

Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you
for torturing the cat." Gunner

In article ,
Gunner wrote:

I find that the older slacks that show up at Goodwill and other
thrift stores last a damn long time. They usually bite it when I snag
them on something and tear a chunk loose. The pair I've been wearing to
work for the last few weeks survived a year of tech school and tons of
yard work getting washed weekly and is just now starting to fray.
Got 'em for $4 too.

I buy most of my clothing at second hand stores. Bib overalls for $6,
jeans for $5, shirts for $2..that short of thing.

Just remember when purchasing clothing to stay away from the
synthetics for working around hot stuff and fire. Many of the
polyester blended stuff will melt and stick to your skin. Best to stay
with cottons and wools.

Yes, I learned that the hard way. Luckily it was a little blob. But
around here at least synthetics seem to be the exception at the thrift
stores.
There's one nice little ratty store downtown that sells used work
clothes. Some still even have the little Aramark tags on 'em. Shirts
for $1 each, jeans three for $5. Good, tough clothes; all cotton; dirt
cheap. They had a heap of ripped-off name tags in the corner. I found
one with my name from an old job!

Is there any inexpensive fireproofing chemicals that can be applied to
a pair of pants for example..that wont give you cancer or make your
pecker fall off?

Nope. Fire-proofing and depeckerfication go hand-in-hand. Unless
you count water, but that'll have to be reapplied often. (:

Gunner, with many shirts and jeans with weld burns in them

--
B.B. --I am not a goat! thegoat4 at airmail dot net
http://web2.airmail.net/thegoat4/

On Thu, 19 May 2005 04:50:45 GMT, Gunner
wrote:


Is there any inexpensive fireproofing chemicals that can be applied to
a pair of pants for example..that wont give you cancer or make your
pecker fall off?


Starch. If you starch your shirts and pants then they're much less
likely to have holes burned in them.

Wayne Cook
Shamrock, TX
http://members.dslextreme.com/users/waynecook

On Thu, 19 May 2005 08:45:44 -0500, Wayne Cook
wrote:

On Thu, 19 May 2005 04:50:45 GMT, Gunner
wrote:


Is there any inexpensive fireproofing chemicals that can be applied to
a pair of pants for example..that wont give you cancer or make your
pecker fall off?


Starch. If you starch your shirts and pants then they're much less
likely to have holes burned in them.

Wayne Cook
Shamrock, TX
http://members.dslextreme.com/users/waynecook

Really? No kidding?

Noted for next washday.

Gunner, wondering how a starched T-shirt is gonna feel.....

"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us)
off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
them self determination under "play nice" rules.

Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you
for torturing the cat." Gunner

On Thu, 19 May 2005 16:18:13 GMT, Gunner
wrote:

On Thu, 19 May 2005 08:45:44 -0500, Wayne Cook
wrote:

On Thu, 19 May 2005 04:50:45 GMT, Gunner
wrote:


Is there any inexpensive fireproofing chemicals that can be applied to
a pair of pants for example..that wont give you cancer or make your
pecker fall off?


Starch. If you starch your shirts and pants then they're much less
likely to have holes burned in them.

Wayne Cook
Shamrock, TX
http://members.dslextreme.com/users/waynecook

Really? No kidding?

Noted for next washday.


I can't say that I do it myself but I know that all the local
pipeline welders swear by it.

Wayne Cook
Shamrock, TX
http://members.dslextreme.com/users/waynecook

On Thu, 19 May 2005 16:18:13 GMT, the inscrutable Gunner
spake:

On Thu, 19 May 2005 08:45:44 -0500, Wayne Cook
wrote:

On Thu, 19 May 2005 04:50:45 GMT, Gunner
wrote:


Is there any inexpensive fireproofing chemicals that can be applied to
a pair of pants for example..that wont give you cancer or make your
pecker fall off?

Starch. If you starch your shirts and pants then they're much less
likely to have holes burned in them.

Really? No kidding?

Noted for next washday.

Gunner, wondering how a starched T-shirt is gonna feel.....

Uh, remember that starch is VIAGRA for CLOTH.
Ouch! They'll feel like yer ol' Sunday-go-ta-meetin' clothes.

Instead, the leather apron and sleeving/leggins that HF sells are
great for avoiding burns. (At $7.95, the apron was a steal.)


"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us)
off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
them self determination under "play nice" rules.

Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you
for torturing the cat." Gunner

Your Prez is off his leash, dude.

"America does not go abroad in search of monsters to destroy. She is
the well-wisher to the freedom and independence of all. She is the
champion and vindicator only of her own. She will recommend the
general cause by the countenance of her vice and the benignant
sympathy of her own example. She well knows that by once enlisting
under banners other than her own, were they even the banners of
foreign independence, she would involve herself beyond the power of
extrication, in all the wars of interest and intrigue, of individual
avarice, envy, ambition, which assumed the colors and usurped the
standards of freedom. The fundamental maxims of her policy would
insensibly change from liberty to force....She might become the
dictatress of the world. She would no longer be the ruler of her own
spirit."

--John Quincy Adams, address to the House of Reps on July 4th, 1821

(Page 200 of "Imperial Hubris", under the heading "Democracy: The
Least Exportable Commodity.")


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"Gunner" wrote in message

I buy most of my clothing at second hand stores. Bib overalls for $6,
jeans for $5, shirts for $2..that short of thing.

Gunner, with many shirts and jeans with weld burns in them


Yup same here; almost all of my work clothing is bought from second hand
stores. Those that aren't were given to me as gifts. You got to be wealthy
to purchase new clothing these days. I haven't won the lottery yet. grin

Lane

Gunner writes:

Is there any inexpensive fireproofing chemicals that can be applied to
a pair of pants for example..that wont give you cancer or make your
pecker fall off?

When I was a kid there was a formula for some homemade stuff that
had Borax in it-- we tested it on some scrap cloth and it seemed
to work reasonably well (chars but won't sustain a flame on its own).

A Google search turned up a few variations on this theme. Borax
is considered non-toxic but may be a skin irritant, depending on
the concentration.

It's water soluable so it will wash out, but if you only wear it
for welding it might be worth re-treating each time (Borax is
relatively cheap).

Example:
http://ocw.mit.edu/NR/rdonlyres/Music-and-Theater-Arts/21M-735Spring2004/77C424A5-50DD-4F58-8DB6-5ECBFEF7C258/0/flameretar.pdf
(PDF file)

Formula 1: Borax - 6 parts, 6 lbs, Boric acid - 5 parts, 5 lbs,
Water - 100 parts, 12 gallons. Steep fabric in cool solution
until impregnated. Heavy applications by spray or brush are
usually reasonably effective. Repeat if necessary. This is good
for theater scenery fabric, and recommended for rayon and natural
fabrics. Yields a 8 - 12 % weighting.

Formula 2: Borax - 7 parts, 7 lbs, Boric acid - 3 parts, 3 lbs,
Water - 100 parts, 12 gallons. Water can be varied according to
absorptive capacity of fabric. For rayon and sheer fabrics, these
same amounts of borax and boric acid can be used with 17 gallons
of water. Hand-wring for an 8 - 10% weighting on fabric.
Flexibility and softness will be retained without dustiness, and
also microorganism growth is prevented.