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gas pipe rust and paint
When my house was built (about three years ago), the builders
neglected to paint the gas pipe on my side of my meter and that pipe has now developed a nice coat of surface rust (it's normal black gas pipe). The pipe on the gas company's side of the meter was painted and looks the same as when I moved in. (1) Is the rust/rusty color a problem and something I should correct? The rest of the houses on my street (built during the past 1-5 years) are in a similar situation. (2) I assume that I should paint over the rusty-looking pipe so it doesn't corode or develop into a problem. What is the appropiate paint to use here? Thanks. |
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Use a rust inhibitor like Extend. You spray it on and it turns the rust
black. Then spray it with some Rust O Lium. -- "Jeff Six" wrote in message om... When my house was built (about three years ago), the builders neglected to paint the gas pipe on my side of my meter and that pipe has now developed a nice coat of surface rust (it's normal black gas pipe). The pipe on the gas company's side of the meter was painted and looks the same as when I moved in. (1) Is the rust/rusty color a problem and something I should correct? The rest of the houses on my street (built during the past 1-5 years) are in a similar situation. (2) I assume that I should paint over the rusty-looking pipe so it doesn't corode or develop into a problem. What is the appropiate paint to use here? Thanks. |
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"Jeff Six" wrote in message om... When my house was built (about three years ago), the builders neglected to paint the gas pipe on my side of my meter and that pipe has now developed a nice coat of surface rust Paint it if it gives you a warm fuzzy feeling. The chances that it will rust through in your life time is pretty slim. I have seen alot of gas pipe that is 30-40 years old, that other than the nice coating of rust, is in good condition. Code in our area now requires it to be painted, but I have installed a ton of pipe that was not painted, before the codes changed. Greg |
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Jeff Six wrote:
When my house was built (about three years ago), the builders neglected to paint the gas pipe on my side of my meter and that pipe has now developed a nice coat of surface rust (it's normal black gas pipe). The pipe on the gas company's side of the meter was painted and looks the same as when I moved in. (1) Is the rust/rusty color a problem and something I should correct? The rest of the houses on my street (built during the past 1-5 years) are in a similar situation. (2) I assume that I should paint over the rusty-looking pipe so it doesn't corode or develop into a problem. What is the appropiate paint to use here? Thanks. The only real problem is cosmetic, however, a couple of coats of Rustoleum can't hurt. Just make sure you wire brush and/or sand the pipe thoroughly before priming and painting. Matt |
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"Greg O" wrote in message ... "Jeff Six" wrote in message om... When my house was built (about three years ago), the builders neglected to paint the gas pipe on my side of my meter and that pipe has now developed a nice coat of surface rust Paint it if it gives you a warm fuzzy feeling. The chances that it will rust through in your life time is pretty slim. I have seen alot of gas pipe that is 30-40 years old, that other than the nice coating of rust, is in good condition. My 15 year old gas pipe rusted out, so it is certainly possible. |
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When my house was built (about three years ago), the builders neglected to paint the gas pipe on my side of my meter and that pipe has now developed a nice coat of surface rust (it's normal black gas pipe). The pipe on the gas company's side of the meter was painted and looks the same as when I moved in. When I put an addition on my house 15 years ago local code required wrapping iron pipe in plastic to protect it. It might be worth a call to your building department to see what they required 3 years ago. There might be a big lawsuit brewing, if the contractor is still in business. |
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toller wrote:
When my house was built (about three years ago), the builders neglected to paint the gas pipe on my side of my meter and that pipe has now developed a nice coat of surface rust (it's normal black gas pipe). The pipe on the gas company's side of the meter was painted and looks the same as when I moved in. When I put an addition on my house 15 years ago local code required wrapping iron pipe in plastic to protect it. It might be worth a call to your building department to see what they required 3 years ago. There might be a big lawsuit brewing, if the contractor is still in business. Go chase your ambulances somewhere else. Matt |
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"Jeff Six" wrote in message om... When my house was built (about three years ago), the builders neglected to paint the gas pipe on my side of my meter and that pipe has now developed a nice coat of surface rust (it's normal black gas pipe). The pipe on the gas company's side of the meter was painted and looks the same as when I moved in. The pipe on the gas company's side isn't painted, its poly coated. JTMcC. (1) Is the rust/rusty color a problem and something I should correct? The rest of the houses on my street (built during the past 1-5 years) are in a similar situation. (2) I assume that I should paint over the rusty-looking pipe so it doesn't corode or develop into a problem. What is the appropiate paint to use here? Thanks. |
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"toller" wrote in message ... My 15 year old gas pipe rusted out, so it is certainly possible. What was the circumstances? Low to the ground? Underground? Sea side? It is not impossible for it to rust out, just unusual. Greg |
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"JTMcC" wrote in message ... "Jeff Six" wrote in message om... When my house was built (about three years ago), the builders neglected to paint the gas pipe on my side of my meter and that pipe has now developed a nice coat of surface rust (it's normal black gas pipe). The pipe on the gas company's side of the meter was painted and looks the same as when I moved in. The pipe on the gas company's side isn't painted, its poly coated. JTMcC. Where it enters the meter it is plain old painted pipe. Below the shut off where it comes out of the ground it is more than likely poly pipe with a steel jacket! Greg Greg |
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On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 14:12:59 -0700, Jeff Six wrote:
When my house was built (about three years ago), the builders neglected to paint the gas pipe on my side of my meter and that pipe has now developed a nice coat of surface rust (it's normal black gas pipe). The pipe on the gas company's side of the meter was painted and looks the same as when I moved in. (1) Is the rust/rusty color a problem and something I should correct? The rest of the houses on my street (built during the past 1-5 years) are in a similar situation. (2) I assume that I should paint over the rusty-looking pipe so it doesn't corode or develop into a problem. What is the appropiate paint to use here? Thanks. brush the rust off with a steel brush, prime with an exterior metal primer and then paint with a paint compatible with the primer of a color you like. No magic, just painting metal. |
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"Greg O" wrote in message ... "JTMcC" wrote in message ... "Jeff Six" wrote in message om... When my house was built (about three years ago), the builders neglected to paint the gas pipe on my side of my meter and that pipe has now developed a nice coat of surface rust (it's normal black gas pipe). The pipe on the gas company's side of the meter was painted and looks the same as when I moved in. The pipe on the gas company's side isn't painted, its poly coated. JTMcC. Where it enters the meter it is plain old painted pipe. Below the shut off where it comes out of the ground it is more than likely poly pipe with a steel jacket! Greg Greg The connection to the meter is probably painted, but the line from the hot tap to the riser is most likely poly coated steel pipe. All underground gas piping is either coated or taped these days. Even if you have a plastic service from the main, the riser will probably be coated steel Where in the world are gas companies putting a steel jacket on plastic pipe?? JTMcC. |
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"Greg O" wrote in message ... "toller" wrote in message ... My 15 year old gas pipe rusted out, so it is certainly possible. What was the circumstances? Low to the ground? Underground? Sea side? It is not impossible for it to rust out, just unusual. Greg Hanging from a deck on the northside of my house. Probably took a while to dry out after it got wet; but it did rust out. |
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"JTMcC" wrote in message news The connection to the meter is probably painted, but the line from the hot tap to the riser is most likely poly coated steel pipe. All underground gas piping is either coated or taped these days. Even if you have a plastic service from the main, the riser will probably be coated steel Where in the world are gas companies putting a steel jacket on plastic pipe?? All over the US! Running steel pipe underground is getting to be a thing of the past. The poly, not plastic, polyethylene actually, pipe is direct buried in the ground. The poly pipe is connected to a "riser" that is nothing more than a poly pipe with a steel protective jacket. The poly runs right through to the fitting. The steel jacket does nothing more than ward off weed trimmers, hungry dogs and the like. I have actually installed a fair bit of under ground myself, and have been around when the gas company does their side of the meter. On my job we use the same pipe the gas company uses. Greg |
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"Jeff Six" wrote in message om... When my house was built (about three years ago), the builders neglected to paint the gas pipe on my side of my meter and that pipe has now developed a nice coat of surface rust (it's normal black gas pipe). The pipe on the gas company's side of the meter was painted and looks the same as when I moved in. (1) Is the rust/rusty color a problem and something I should correct? The rest of the houses on my street (built during the past 1-5 years) are in a similar situation. (2) I assume that I should paint over the rusty-looking pipe so it doesn't corode or develop into a problem. What is the appropiate paint to use here? Thanks. Gas company just replaced all their pipe in our neighborhood this year. The installers painted the pipes at the outdoor meter with utility gray Krylon spray. They left a carton of six cans behind in my yard. Need some? |
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Greg O wrote:
"JTMcC" wrote in message news The connection to the meter is probably painted, but the line from the hot tap to the riser is most likely poly coated steel pipe. All underground gas piping is either coated or taped these days. Even if you have a plastic service from the main, the riser will probably be coated steel Where in the world are gas companies putting a steel jacket on plastic pipe?? All over the US! Running steel pipe underground is getting to be a thing of the past. The poly, not plastic, polyethylene actually, pipe is direct buried in the Poly = plastic. Matt |
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"Greg O" wrote in message ... All over the US! Running steel pipe underground is getting to be a thing of the past. Absolutely not true, plastic gas line is used in applications under 99 psi, almost always. We weld miles and miles of steel gas line every year, from low pressure up to around 1200 psi. From 3/4" to 36" 1.250 wall. The poly, not plastic, polyethylene actually, pipe is direct buried in the ground. What you call poly is plastic. Everyone else calls it PE. The poly pipe is connected to a "riser" that is nothing more than a poly pipe with a steel protective jacket. The poly runs right through to the fitting. The steel jacket does nothing more than ward off weed trimmers, hungry dogs and the like. I've never seen a plastic riser in a steel sleeve, I've seen hundreds of pe/steel transition risers. But that doesn't mean some utilities don't do it that way I suppose. I have actually installed a fair bit of under ground myself, and have been around when the gas company does their side of the meter. On my job we use the same pipe the gas company uses. Greg I've installed hundreds of miles, 99% of it on the high pressure side of the meter. Underground gas line is poly coated, or taped. The meter installer will generaly paint everything thats not gas company grey after piping his meter. |
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"Jeff Six" wrote in message om... When my house was built (about three years ago), the builders neglected to paint the gas pipe on my side of my meter Here in Belgium the regulations say it must be painted bright yellow! The installers have to paint it that color before the mas from the gas co will sign it off. |
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I had an outdoor gas line installed recently (black pipe) and it began to
rust within a week. I steel wool-ed it and coated it with linseed oil, problem solved and it looks so nice and shiny. "SJF" wrote in message news:hlodd.5880$SW3.2942@fed1read01... Gas company just replaced all their pipe in our neighborhood this year. The installers painted the pipes at the outdoor meter with utility gray Krylon spray. They left a carton of six cans behind in my yard. Need some? |
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"JTMcC" wrote in message news I've installed hundreds of miles, 99% of it on the high pressure side of the meter. Underground gas line is poly coated, or taped. The meter installer will generaly paint everything thats not gas company grey after piping his meter. Pretty much any underground gas on the utility side of the meter here is poly. Granted there probably is some steel in the ground here and there, but any new installs have been poly. The mains are poly, branches to homes and business' are poly. Greg |
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"Greg O" wrote in message ... "JTMcC" wrote in message news I've installed hundreds of miles, 99% of it on the high pressure side of the meter. Underground gas line is poly coated, or taped. The meter installer will generaly paint everything thats not gas company grey after piping his meter. Pretty much any underground gas on the utility side of the meter here is poly. Granted there probably is some steel in the ground here and there, but any new installs have been poly. The mains are poly, branches to homes and business' are poly. Greg That's just not possible, PE is legal for pressures under 99psi, all in town distribution systems have pipe pressures well over that, they have to maintain volumn. Even a small town will have distribution mains running 200 to 500 psi. and from 2" up. As far as services go, steel services run off steel mains and PE services run off of PE mains. Maybe you haven't seen them, but there are quite a few steel lines in your area. You just can't run an entire dist. system with pressures under 99 psi. Especially in the winter. All this goes out the window if you are in Mexico, Gautamala, ect. But in the U.S. it will hold true. JTMcC. |
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"JTMcC" wrote in message ... That's just not possible, PE is legal for pressures under 99psi, all in town distribution systems have pipe pressures well over that, they have to maintain volumn. Even a small town will have distribution mains running 200 to 500 psi. and from 2" up. As far as services go, steel services run off steel mains and PE services run off of PE mains. Maybe you haven't seen them, but there are quite a few steel lines in your area. You just can't run an entire dist. system with pressures under 99 psi. Especially in the winter. All this goes out the window if you are in Mexico, Gautamala, ect. But in the U.S. it will hold true. JTMcC. Not going to argue with you, been there, seen them bury and connect mains. I was told by the utility that they run 50 psi in the mains, I have seen them run 2" and 4" poly. I know they have larger lines. Greg Greg |
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"Greg O" wrote in message ... "JTMcC" wrote in message ... That's just not possible, PE is legal for pressures under 99psi, all in town distribution systems have pipe pressures well over that, they have to maintain volumn. Even a small town will have distribution mains running 200 to 500 psi. and from 2" up. As far as services go, steel services run off steel mains and PE services run off of PE mains. Maybe you haven't seen them, but there are quite a few steel lines in your area. You just can't run an entire dist. system with pressures under 99 psi. Especially in the winter. All this goes out the window if you are in Mexico, Gautamala, ect. But in the U.S. it will hold true. JTMcC. Not going to argue with you, been there, seen them bury and connect mains. I was told by the utility that they run 50 psi in the mains, I have seen them run 2" and 4" poly. I know they have larger lines. Greg Greg There is a large difference between "been there seen them do it", and "this is what I do for a living. A large part of our business is building gas lines, big and small. Like I said, we weld gas lines from 3/4" to 36", 2 psi to well over 1000. As for 50 psi in a main, a natural gas distribution system can be fairly complicated but the bone head version is this: The closer you get to the end of a particular line, the lower the pressure and the smaller the pipe. So to say a system runs at 50 psi is like saying my truck goes 50 mph, it does, sometimes. Many times it doesn't. The pressure in a particular line will vary at different times of the year, utilities bump it up come winter. I'm not going to argue with you either, you seem to be the archtypical internet expert, "I seen it done!" Good for you, but you are putting out miss information and anyone working in this field knows it. JTMcC. |
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Jamie wrote:
I had an outdoor gas line installed recently (black pipe) and it began to rust within a week. I steel wool-ed it and coated it with linseed oil, problem solved and it looks so nice and shiny. This is OK as a temporary solution, but the linseed oil won't weather all that long. Matt |
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JTMcC wrote:
"Greg O" wrote in message ... "JTMcC" wrote in message news I've installed hundreds of miles, 99% of it on the high pressure side of the meter. Underground gas line is poly coated, or taped. The meter installer will generaly paint everything thats not gas company grey after piping his meter. Pretty much any underground gas on the utility side of the meter here is poly. Granted there probably is some steel in the ground here and there, but any new installs have been poly. The mains are poly, branches to homes and business' are poly. Greg That's just not possible, PE is legal for pressures under 99psi, all in town distribution systems have pipe pressures well over that, they have to maintain volumn. Even a small town will have distribution mains running 200 to 500 psi. and from 2" up. As far as services go, steel services run off steel mains and PE services run off of PE mains. Maybe you haven't seen them, but there are quite a few steel lines in your area. You just can't run an entire dist. system with pressures under 99 psi. Especially in the winter. All this goes out the window if you are in Mexico, Gautamala, ect. But in the U.S. it will hold true. Well, I live in rural PA and my main distribution line past my driveway is 2" poly. It says so right on the yellow marker that sticks up out of the ground by my driveway. I'll have to check, but I believe the line from the main to my house is 1.5" poly. I don't know what the pressure is, but I live out in the boonies and the distribution lines are pretty long. Matt |
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"Matt Whiting" wrote in message ... JTMcC wrote: "Greg O" wrote in message ... "JTMcC" wrote in message news I've installed hundreds of miles, 99% of it on the high pressure side of the meter. Underground gas line is poly coated, or taped. The meter installer will generaly paint everything thats not gas company grey after piping his meter. Pretty much any underground gas on the utility side of the meter here is poly. Granted there probably is some steel in the ground here and there, but any new installs have been poly. The mains are poly, branches to homes and business' are poly. Greg That's just not possible, PE is legal for pressures under 99psi, all in town distribution systems have pipe pressures well over that, they have to maintain volumn. Even a small town will have distribution mains running 200 to 500 psi. and from 2" up. As far as services go, steel services run off steel mains and PE services run off of PE mains. Maybe you haven't seen them, but there are quite a few steel lines in your area. You just can't run an entire dist. system with pressures under 99 psi. Especially in the winter. All this goes out the window if you are in Mexico, Gautamala, ect. But in the U.S. it will hold true. Well, I live in rural PA and my main distribution line past my driveway is 2" poly. It says so right on the yellow marker that sticks up out of the ground by my driveway. I'll have to check, but I believe the line from the main to my house is 1.5" poly. I don't know what the pressure is, but I live out in the boonies and the distribution lines are pretty long. Matt |
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"JTMcC" wrote in message ... I'm not going to argue with you either, you seem to be the archtypical internet expert, "I seen it done!" Good for you, but you are putting out miss information and anyone working in this field knows it. JTMcC. Nothing I have posted in this thread is false, I work around this stuff nearly everyday, talk to the gents that do the work regularly. Maybe they do things differantly around your neck of the woods! I will not argue that fact that major, point ot point gas distribution is still done in steel. Once you get to the city scale of things the prefered pipe in this area is poly. Funny, what you say is impossible I have seen with my own eyes! I guess I was dreaming! Greg |
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"Greg O" wrote in message ... "JTMcC" wrote in message ... I'm not going to argue with you either, you seem to be the archtypical internet expert, "I seen it done!" Good for you, but you are putting out miss information and anyone working in this field knows it. JTMcC. Nothing I have posted in this thread is false, I work around this stuff nearly everyday, What do you do, exactly? talk to the gents that do the work regularly. Maybe they do things differantly around your neck of the woods! We work from coast to coast. I will not argue that fact that major, point ot point gas distribution is still done in steel. I'm sorry, but every time you say something you display a lack of understanding. What you just called distribution is transmittion. Distribution is defined by the piping system downstream of the town station. These are standard industry terms. Distribution piping is in town piping only. Once you get to the city scale of things the prefered pipe in this area is poly. Of course it is, it's cheaper, they use it in every case where it's legal to use, the problem is that higher pressure piping is required in the system. Funny, what you say is impossible I have seen with my own eyes! I guess I was dreaming! It is impossible, with todays materials, to build an entire distribution system in plastic. Have you seen "with your own eyes" every underground main, station and service in the system? Of course not, trust me, in your area, if you are in the U.S., there are steel mains and steel services as well as plastic. JTMcC. Greg |
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"Matt Whiting" wrote in message ... JTMcC wrote: "Greg O" wrote in message ... "JTMcC" wrote in message news I've installed hundreds of miles, 99% of it on the high pressure side of the meter. Underground gas line is poly coated, or taped. The meter installer will generaly paint everything thats not gas company grey after piping his meter. Pretty much any underground gas on the utility side of the meter here is poly. Granted there probably is some steel in the ground here and there, but any new installs have been poly. The mains are poly, branches to homes and business' are poly. Greg That's just not possible, PE is legal for pressures under 99psi, all in town distribution systems have pipe pressures well over that, they have to maintain volumn. Even a small town will have distribution mains running 200 to 500 psi. and from 2" up. As far as services go, steel services run off steel mains and PE services run off of PE mains. Maybe you haven't seen them, but there are quite a few steel lines in your area. You just can't run an entire dist. system with pressures under 99 psi. Especially in the winter. All this goes out the window if you are in Mexico, Gautamala, ect. But in the U.S. it will hold true. Well, I live in rural PA and my main distribution line past my driveway is 2" poly. It says so right on the yellow marker that sticks up out of the ground by my driveway. I'll have to check, but I believe the line from the main to my house is 1.5" poly. I don't know what the pressure is, but I live out in the boonies and the distribution lines are pretty long. Matt Anecdotal evidence about the line in front of your yard is interesting, but I'm missing your point. There are millions of miles of plastic gas pipe in the ground, I remember when they used regular old PVC, and I've seen all the other incarnations of new and improved plastic line. When we test welders it is a common sight to see a whole gaggle of guys taking the plastic welding test. They use it everwhere they can, it's very cheap compared to welded steel line. I would guess that hundreds of miles are put in the ground every week, but that has no bearing on the fact that plastic at this point still has serious limitations on use, and millions of miles of steel is used in distribution piping as well. JTMcC. JTMcC. |
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"JTMcC" wrote in message ... It is impossible, with todays materials, to build an entire distribution system in plastic. Have you seen "with your own eyes" every underground main, station and service in the system? Of course not, trust me, in your area, if you are in the U.S., there are steel mains and steel services as well as plastic. JTMcC. You know, I never said steel was not ever used anymore, just that steel use getting to be a thing of the past. Any low pressure, (less than ~100 psi), small diameter, pipeing put in in many places is probably poly. Steel is being used less and less. You won't see it much in our area. The origination of all this B.S, was the supply side of a residential meter, it would be poly in this area, as I am sure many others. Greg |
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"JTMcC" wrote in message ... I just find it strange with your vast experiance you have never seen a poly riser with a steel jacket as stated in one of your previous posts. Here is a cut and paste from your earlier post. The connection to the meter is probably painted, but the line from the hot tap to the riser is most likely poly coated steel pipe. All underground gas piping is either coated or taped these days. Even if you have a plastic service from the main, the riser will probably be coated steel Where in the world are gas companies putting a steel jacket on plastic pipe?? JTMcC. I have never seen a steel riser to a meter in this area, They may exist, but poly with a steel jacket is many times more common. You made a statement that "All underground gas piping is either coated or taped these days." Kind of a broad statement, isn't it? You Then you go on later to admit to using poly for gas, which is it? You ask what I do, I am a HVAC tech, and I do a ton of gas piping. Many times I have seen the utility dig in gas supply for a home or bussiness. EVERY time the tie in is to poly pipe. Some of the older parts of the city may have steel under ground, but the preferance is poly in this area. I have watched them bore and pull in poly gas main in new areas of the city many times, not a bit of steel getting dug in for the city's distrubution. I did watch them trench in a large transmission pipe this summer it was steel. It was not a main to my understanding as it just got gas from point "A" to "B", no branches going off. It was in the neighborhood of 12", but I did not actually measure it. Greg |
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"JTMcC" wrote in message ... "Greg O" wrote in message ... "JTMcC" wrote in message ... I'm not going to argue with you either, you seem to be the archtypical internet expert, "I seen it done!" Good for you, but you are putting out miss information and anyone working in this field knows it. JTMcC. Nothing I have posted in this thread is false, I work around this stuff nearly everyday, What do you do, exactly? talk to the gents that do the work regularly. Maybe they do things differantly around your neck of the woods! We work from coast to coast. I will not argue that fact that major, point ot point gas distribution is still done in steel. I'm sorry, but every time you say something you display a lack of understanding. What you just called distribution is transmittion. Distribution is defined by the piping system downstream of the town station. These are standard industry terms. Distribution piping is in town piping only. Once you get to the city scale of things the prefered pipe in this area is poly. Of course it is, it's cheaper, they use it in every case where it's legal to use, the problem is that higher pressure piping is required in the system. Funny, what you say is impossible I have seen with my own eyes! I guess I was dreaming! It is impossible, with todays materials, to build an entire distribution system in plastic. Have you seen "with your own eyes" every underground main, station and service in the system? Of course not, trust me, in your area, if you are in the U.S., there are steel mains and steel services as well as plastic. JTMcC. I do not work in the gas industry, but a quick google revealed this http://www.pge.com/education_trainin..._system_works/ And looking down the page: 8. The distribution system consists of both high-pressure mains (less than 60 psig) and low-pressure mains (1/4 psig), which distribute gas from the regulator station to the customer. Greg --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.776 / Virus Database: 523 - Release Date: 13/10/2004 |
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On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 21:07:05 -0400, Matt Whiting
wrote: Jamie wrote: I had an outdoor gas line installed recently (black pipe) and it began to rust within a week. I steel wool-ed it and coated it with linseed oil, problem solved and it looks so nice and shiny. This is OK as a temporary solution, but the linseed oil won't weather all that long. Matt All the new distribution lines in my area are yellow plastic. Don't know about the high pressure stuff before that, but I presume it's steel. Dan |
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"SJF" wrote in message news:hlodd.5880$SW3.2942@fed1read01...
Gas company just replaced all their pipe in our neighborhood this year. The installers painted the pipes at the outdoor meter with utility gray Krylon spray. They left a carton of six cans behind in my yard. Need some? After all the advice, I got some RustOLeum Rusty Metal Primer and primed the pipe. I'll paint it with some nice paint next weekend. Thanks for the offer, though. |
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Jeff Six:
Jeff Six wrote: "SJF" wrote in message news:hlodd.5880$SW3.2942@fed1read01... Gas company just replaced all their pipe in our neighborhood this year. The installers painted the pipes at the outdoor meter with utility gray Krylon spray. They left a carton of six cans behind in my yard. Need some? After all the advice, I got some RustOLeum Rusty Metal Primer and primed the pipe. I'll paint it with some nice paint next weekend. Thanks for the offer, though. Rust prevention method: This may be more than is needed, however, ...... Steel piping and structural steel beams may be effectively protected from rust where there is air and water, high humidity, or water condensation present by means of a block of zinc metal that is soldered or screwed to the steel. Zinc blocks function as a part of an electric circuit in water. the water on the surface completes the circuit. Instead of the oxygen in the air or water combining with the steel it combines with the zinc metal. Harmless zinc oxide powder is formed as the zinc is corroded away. The steel remains un-rusted. The zinc may be attached with a stainless steel screw to the steel, and the zinc-to-steel contact patch must be clean metal to metal. The zinc and a small patch of steel around or near to the zinc is left bare metal. Zinc is used on auto body panels and on steel hull boats or boats that have steel parts, e.g., prop shafts, that are in the water. The zinc blocks are replaced from time to time. Purchase the zinc blocks and fasteners from any boat accessory or boat engine supply store. Several shapes are offered, e.g., disks or blocks. Notice that anti-rust primer paints contain zinc. In water and oxygen when the zinc in the paint is used up the finish will fail and rusting will occur. A coating that totally seals the steel surfaces from water and oxygen will prevent the establishment of the electric circuit and rusting. Other metals will work, e.g., window frame aluminum in contact with steel, and the aluminum will be the sacrificial metal. Check the electromotive series in a chemistry book for a list of the metals that will work and that will not work. Use the wrong metal and the steel will be sacrificed by means of more rapid rusting. Ralph Hertle |
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"Ralph Hertle" wrote in message ... Rust prevention method: This may be more than is needed, however, ...... Steel piping and structural steel beams may be effectively protected from rust where there is air and water, high humidity, or water condensation present by means of a block of zinc metal that is soldered or screwed to the steel. The gas company might take a dim view of you screwing or soldering onto the gas line. Gas distribution (and all other underground pipeline companies) companies spend considerable time/money on cathodic protection. Small amounts of electricity is run through pipelines, whenever a new service, or main extension, or any other significant addition or subtraction is made to the piping system they will take readings between the pipe and adjacent damp soil, and add large cathodic blocks as needed to bring the readings into their allowable range. JTMcC. Zinc blocks function as a part of an electric circuit in water. the water on the surface completes the circuit. Instead of the oxygen in the air or water combining with the steel it combines with the zinc metal. Harmless zinc oxide powder is formed as the zinc is corroded away. The steel remains un-rusted. The zinc may be attached with a stainless steel screw to the steel, and the zinc-to-steel contact patch must be clean metal to metal. The zinc and a small patch of steel around or near to the zinc is left bare metal. Zinc is used on auto body panels and on steel hull boats or boats that have steel parts, e.g., prop shafts, that are in the water. The zinc blocks are replaced from time to time. Purchase the zinc blocks and fasteners from any boat accessory or boat engine supply store. Several shapes are offered, e.g., disks or blocks. Notice that anti-rust primer paints contain zinc. In water and oxygen when the zinc in the paint is used up the finish will fail and rusting will occur. A coating that totally seals the steel surfaces from water and oxygen will prevent the establishment of the electric circuit and rusting. Other metals will work, e.g., window frame aluminum in contact with steel, and the aluminum will be the sacrificial metal. Check the electromotive series in a chemistry book for a list of the metals that will work and that will not work. Use the wrong metal and the steel will be sacrificed by means of more rapid rusting. Ralph Hertle |
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JTMcC:
JTMcC wrote: ]clip] The gas company might take a dim view of you screwing or soldering onto the gas line. Gas distribution (and all other underground pipeline companies) companies spend considerable time/money on cathodic protection. Small amounts of electricity is run through pipelines, whenever a new service, or main extension, or any other significant addition or subtraction is made to the piping system they will take readings between the pipe and adjacent damp soil, and add large cathodic blocks as needed to bring the readings into their allowable range. JTMcC. You are right: When writing I was focusing more upon fastening a block to the web of a WF beam than to the gas pipe. Clamping the block to the pipe would be appropriate. The same technique would work for steel or iron pipes. Ralph Hertle |
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replying to Greg O, Flash wrote:
I had black pipe rust right through and the power co. Turned my **** off, don't tell me it don't rust!!! Just looking for a suggestion on how to prevent it -- for full context, visit https://www.homeownershub.com/mainte...nt-560969-.htm |
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On 10/17/2017 4:14 PM, Flash wrote:
replying to Greg O, Flash wrote: I had black pipe rust right through and the power co. Turned my **** off, don't tell me it don't rust!!!Â*Â*Â*Â* Just looking for a suggestion on how to prevent it If it's black pipe in the ground, the pipe and joints should be wrapped with plumbers tape or some equivalent covering. You could also add galvanic protection to it, such as a zinc anode buried and wired to the pipe above ground. The parts above ground can be painted with a rust preventing paint. |
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On Tue, 17 Oct 2017 17:44:58 -0700, Bob F wrote:
On 10/17/2017 4:14 PM, Flash wrote: replying to Greg O, Flash wrote: I had black pipe rust right through and the power co. Turned my **** off, don't tell me it don't rust!!!**** Just looking for a suggestion on how to prevent it If it's black pipe in the ground, the pipe and joints should be wrapped with plumbers tape or some equivalent covering. You could also add galvanic protection to it, such as a zinc anode buried and wired to the pipe above ground. The parts above ground can be painted with a rust preventing paint. Asphault coat all underground black pipe. Asphault and wrap better yet. |
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