On Wed, 12 May 2021 04:16:53 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

FLUSH the two subnormal sociopathic cretins' endless absolutely idiotic
blather

--
Typical retarded "conversation" between the Scottish ****** and the senile
Ozzietard:

Birdbrain: "Horse **** doesn't stink."

Senile Rodent: "It does if you roll in it."

Birdbrain: "I've never worked out why, I assumed it was maybe meateaters
that made stinky ****, but then why does vegetarian human **** stink? Is it
just the fact that we're capable of digesting meat?"

Senile Rodent: "Nope, some cow **** stinks too."

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On May 11, 2021 at 10:49:50 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
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On Tue, 04 May 2021 19:53:26 +0100, Snit wrote:

On May 4, 2021 at 10:34:16 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
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On Tue, 27 Apr 2021 02:49:08 +0100, Snit wrote:

On Apr 26, 2021 at 10:51:30 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
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On Fri, 23 Apr 2021 19:09:55 +0100, Snit wrote:

On Apr 23, 2021 at 10:54:25 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
:

On Wed, 21 Apr 2021 05:54:57 +0100, Snit
wrote:

On Apr 20, 2021 at 8:47:23 PM MST, ""Rod Speed"" wrote
:

Some gutless ****wit troll desperately cowering behind
"Snit" repetitively ****ted
the same mindless troll**** and lies as it always does when
its got done like a ****ing dinner, as it always is.

What you snipped:
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Again, I look to peer reviewed papers (and not just hand picking but
a wide
range if I am interested in a topic), scientific sites, fact
checkers, top
experts and organizations, etc.

You find this to be a bad thing and say that ties me to a cult. We do not
see
eye-to-eye. So what?
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Sad your frustration at not being able to answer this question led you to
lash
out so immaturely.

I hope you do better next time.

If you wanted to say god existed, you could come up with "evidence" for
that
too.

Well, god does exist -- as a concept (or set of concepts).

So he doesn't then. Things don't exist because you want them to.

How can something that does not exist have a gender?

I picked one. Just like if you're talking about a complete stranger.
"Someone left a note on my door, he didn't say who he was". I don't go for
this modern gender neutral ****.

Modern? As in since language started? And why would nature feel the need to
fit into a man made binary system?

Nature gave us man and woman. The others we made up.

Nope. We made up the idea of a binary system -- why would nature feel
obligated to stick to what humans create?

https://youtu.be/szf4hzQ5ztg

There is simply nothing in nature that requires a binary system.



Doesn't mean he exists.

Can you point to the peer reviewed papers that back the idea of a deity?
Scientific sites? Fact checkers?

Why would there be any, since he doesn't exist.

I agree -- but I do know there are many concepts of gods.

And many people foolish enough to believe them. Kinda like climate change.
It was hailing today! In ****ing May!

Your rejection of evidence on man-made global climate change is based on
faith... yet you belittle others for having faith.

Curious.

You calling a lack of faith faith is insanity. You'll be saying atheism is a
faith next.

It is not.


You believe in the "evidence", you beleive the scientists know what they're
doing. I don't have that belief.

I do not believe any one scientist must, but I do have respect for the peer
review process (as flawed as it is). It is far from perfect but out scientific
methods and system is the best way we have to know what is -- and what is not
-- true.

--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot
use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow
superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

On May 11, 2021 at 10:47:28 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
:

On Tue, 04 May 2021 19:51:23 +0100, Snit wrote:

On May 4, 2021 at 10:35:43 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
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On Tue, 27 Apr 2021 02:50:36 +0100, Snit wrote:

On Apr 26, 2021 at 10:54:42 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
:

On Fri, 23 Apr 2021 19:08:55 +0100, Snit wrote:

On Apr 23, 2021 at 10:54:38 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
:

On Wed, 21 Apr 2021 06:05:23 +0100, Rod Speed
wrote:

Some gutless ****wit troll desperately cowering behind
"Snit" repetitively ****ted
the same mindless troll**** and lies as it always does when
its got done like a ****ing dinner, as it always is.

Tedious, isn't he?

What Rod Speed ran from:
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Again, I look to peer reviewed papers (and not just hand picking but
a wide
range if I am interested in a topic), scientific sites, fact checkers, top
experts and organizations, etc.

You find this to be a bad thing and say that ties me to a cult. We do not
see
eye-to-eye. So what?
----------------------------------------------------------------------

I find it amusing how offended some are by that.

No, he just got bored of you repeating yourself ad nauseum.

I do like how those who troll get so bent out of shape. So often the same
pattern:

1) They make a claim.
2) There is a response they do not like.

They go back to 1. Carroll and Gremlin are masters at this.

It's fustration at nobody understanding simple concepts.

And there's no such thing as a troll, just people you don't agree with.

There are people who tend to troll -- those who make insane attacks just to
get attention, for example.

By the way, you chop babies in half, fry them up, and serve them as funny
tortillas.

That's not trolling, that's just a crappy insult.

Much of the trolling here is people just making things up about others. Here
is a recent example of Carroll'a trolling:

Carroll :
-----
Snit's 'argument' is the lack of 'one distro to rule them all',
thus making Linux inferior, at least, on the desktop.
-----

He made up a claim -- a completely false one -- and then uses it to try to get
my attention. The game is not to pretend I actually believe that. Carroll
knows he cannot back it given he is speaking FOR me and I have never said any
such thing. But if questioned he will say I did, but he cannot or will not
quote it. Or he will say someone else said I said it. Or say I said it but did
not know I did. Or whatever. The debate would go on for dozens or hundreds of
posts, with me sharing my actual view (I want MORE differentiation between
distros) and Carroll insisting he knows MY view better than I do.

That is a key to his trolling.

--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot
use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow
superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

On May 11, 2021 at 10:46:45 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
:

On Tue, 04 May 2021 19:51:52 +0100, Snit wrote:

On May 4, 2021 at 10:34:49 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
:

On Tue, 27 Apr 2021 02:49:44 +0100, Snit wrote:

On Apr 26, 2021 at 10:53:03 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
:

It isnt about reputable, its about the evidence presented with science.

Peer reviewed studies.

Reviewed by other MMCC cult members...

A cult, yes that's a good way of describing it. Or perhaps a religion.
"This must be so, so let's find ways to "prove" it".

If one can disprove a going top theory one gets lots of recognition in
science. Does not mean there is no friction to stop such, but
overall look
at
the famous scientists -- each and every one proposed new ways to see
things.

Plenty scientists were showing it was false, but they are now
overwhelmed by
the sheep who believe in it, so are ignored and have given up bothering to
educate them.

Happy to see the peer reviewed articles which denounce it you are referring
to.

They were silenced. Including death threats. Then everything was deleted.

Articles got death threats? Huh?

Please turn off your OCD, clearly I meant the authors of said articles.

I was kidding.

But what death threats? Like the one my local school superintendent and
principles are getting for saying kids should wear masks?


--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot
use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow
superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

On Tue, 11 May 2021 20:38:00 GMT, **** the sick git, the notorious,
troll-feeding, senile asshole, blathered again:


I was kidding.

Nope, you are just sucking his cock, you notorious senile sucker of troll
cock! BG

On Tue, 11 May 2021 20:23:09 GMT, **** the sick git, the notorious,
troll-feeding, senile asshole, blathered again:


Much of the trolling here is people just making things up about others. Here
is a recent example of Carroll'a trolling:

While your post is just another TYPICAL example of your sucking troll cock,
you abnormal senile idiot!

On Tue, 11 May 2021 20:19:54 GMT, **** the sick git, the notorious,
troll-feeding, senile asshole, blathered again:


I do not believe any one scientist must, but I do have respect for the peer
review process (as flawed as it is). It is far from perfect but out scientific
methods and system is the best way we have to know what is -- and what is not
-- true.

You just can't get enough of the unwashed ******'s cock, you senile creep!
You know, he was reported to be of the smelly, unwashed kind who also openly
brags about never wearing any underwear! Keep sucking, senile ****! LOL!!!

On 2021-05-11 1:38 p.m., Snit wrote:
On May 11, 2021 at 10:46:45 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
:

On Tue, 04 May 2021 19:51:52 +0100, Snit wrote:

On May 4, 2021 at 10:34:49 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
:

On Tue, 27 Apr 2021 02:49:44 +0100, Snit wrote:

On Apr 26, 2021 at 10:53:03 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
:

It isnt about reputable, its about the evidence presented with science.

Peer reviewed studies.

Reviewed by other MMCC cult members...

A cult, yes that's a good way of describing it. Or perhaps a religion.
"This must be so, so let's find ways to "prove" it".

If one can disprove a going top theory one gets lots of recognition in
science. Does not mean there is no friction to stop such, but
overall look
at
the famous scientists -- each and every one proposed new ways to see
things.

Plenty scientists were showing it was false, but they are now
overwhelmed by
the sheep who believe in it, so are ignored and have given up bothering to
educate them.

Happy to see the peer reviewed articles which denounce it you are referring
to.

They were silenced. Including death threats. Then everything was deleted.

Articles got death threats? Huh?

Please turn off your OCD, clearly I meant the authors of said articles.

I was kidding.

But what death threats? Like the one my local school superintendent and
principles are getting for saying kids should wear masks?


i'm above the covid zone it won't come up here

On 05/11/2021 11:41 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Tue, 04 May 2021 18:45:20 +0100, Rod Speed
wrote:



"Commander Kinsey" wrote in message
news
On Tue, 27 Apr 2021 02:50:36 +0100, Snit
wrote:

On Apr 26, 2021 at 10:54:42 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
:

On Fri, 23 Apr 2021 19:08:55 +0100, Snit
wrote:

On Apr 23, 2021 at 10:54:38 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
:

On Wed, 21 Apr 2021 06:05:23 +0100, Rod Speed

wrote:

Some gutless ****wit troll desperately cowering behind
"Snit" repetitively ****ted
the same mindless troll**** and lies as it always does when
its got done like a ****ing dinner, as it always is.

Tedious, isn't he?

What Rod Speed ran from:
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Again, I look to peer reviewed papers (and not just hand picking
but a
wide
range if I am interested in a topic), scientific sites, fact
checkers,
top
experts and organizations, etc.

You find this to be a bad thing and say that ties me to a cult.
We do
not
see
eye-to-eye. So what?
----------------------------------------------------------------------


I find it amusing how offended some are by that.

No, he just got bored of you repeating yourself ad nauseum.

I do like how those who troll get so bent out of shape. So often the
same
pattern:

1) They make a claim.
2) There is a response they do not like.

They go back to 1. Carroll and Gremlin are masters at this.

It's fustration at nobody understanding simple concepts.

And there's no such thing as a troll, just people you don't agree with.

Real trolls don't have a position, they deliberately
make claims that are likely to provoke a reaction.

I don't believe such people exist. Nobody would state the opposite of
what they believe.


Never been on a debate team, have you.

On 05/11/2021 11:43 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Tue, 04 May 2021 18:50:12 +0100, Rod Speed
wrote:



"Commander Kinsey" wrote in message
news
On Tue, 27 Apr 2021 20:06:00 +0100, Rod Speed
wrote:



"Commander Kinsey" wrote in message
news On Thu, 22 Apr 2021 20:25:44 +0100, Rod Speed

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"Commander Kinsey" wrote in message
news On Sun, 18 Apr 2021 19:20:18 +0100, Rod Speed

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"Commander Kinsey" wrote in message
news On Fri, 16 Apr 2021 21:54:22 +0100, Rod Speed

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"Commander Kinsey" wrote in message
news On Thu, 15 Apr 2021 21:15:17 +0100, Snit

wrote:

On Apr 15, 2021 at 11:02:15 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
:

On Wed, 14 Apr 2021 19:12:00 +0100, Rod Speed

wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote

Another account must be made so they don't get the last
word
in.
The
silliest thing I got banned for was saying the word "damn".
And
not
even
in a rude way, probably something like "the damn weather is
awful
today".
Turns out the admin was a religious nutter.

Yeah, I got the same thing from another religious nutter for
using the term "hell of a lot", not a moderator in that
case.

You have to wonder how far we would be today if religion
had not
impeded
science.

Until a few hundred years ago there was not much of a split.

In English please.

He means that more than a couple of hundred years
ago, most of the science was done by the religious.
And some of them like Mendel made tremendous
advances in our scientific knowledge.

Until it conflicted with the teachings of the bible and was
silenced.

That didn't happen very often at all, just with Bruno and Galileo.

They never did silence Darwin, just got a mega **** fight.

You're forgetting that with a large number of the population being
religious, science is slower to spread.

I'm not not really convinced about that. In fact you can make a
case that earlier than the last couple of centurys, it was mainly
the religious professionals who did advance most of the science
essentially because they had a lot of free time on their hands or
because the church chose to have some of their religious
professionals do that sort of thing like with the Vatican
observatorys.

Just because it wasn't silenced, doesn't mean everyone will use it.

Yes, but the general public really doesn't get to use science that
much with evolution and the fundamentals of science like that.

There could have been improvements made on those discoveries, by
people
who were too religious to believe in science.

One of the odder things is that there are a surprising number of
the religious who are stupid enough to not believe that evolution
is how it happened who still do real science in other scientific
fields.

There's one example. Biology must have been hampered by the religious
folk burying their head in the sand.

In fact it was dramatically advanced by Mendel who did have the time
to discover how plant breeding works,

But but but.... god makes them breed, surely?

Nope, not when you are breeding for the characteristics
you want in the animal or plant. What they started with
are nothing like what we ended up with with wheat, rice,
other grains, tree fruit, dogs, sheep, cattle, horses etc.

Is this where they make **** up like "god allowed us to embellish upon
his creation", to get around arguments against their bull****?

and with plenty of other professionally religious like CofE vicars with
lots of time on their hands between sermons.

Aren't they researching and writing new ones?

Yes, but that doesn't take a lot of time and I know two of them very
well.

It could be done by computer.

My mad Baptist neighbour "studies" religion, his house is full of books.
They built an extension for the books.

Not all CoE vicars are like that, some chose to observe
nature and geology and that sort of science.

I wonder if there are fake vicars, just doing it for the pay?

The roman catholics were more into ****ing the altar boys.

At least they can't get them pregnant.

But that can see them torching churches when they are adults.

No great loss if a church is torched.


https://www.thevintagenews.com/2016/...-by-arsonists/

The Norwegians got a little ****ed about it. Varg Vikernes did 15 years
for it. All he had access to in prison was a synthesizer but the Burzum
albums from that era are interesting.

On 05/11/2021 11:49 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:

You calling a lack of faith faith is insanity. You'll be saying atheism
is a faith next.

It is. 'Who the **** knows', aka agnosticism, is a more valid stance.

On May 11, 2021 at 6:13:47 PM MST, "rbowman" wrote
:

On 05/11/2021 11:49 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:

You calling a lack of faith faith is insanity. You'll be saying atheism
is a faith next.

It is. 'Who the **** knows', aka agnosticism, is a more valid stance.

I am open to the possibility, just as I am open to the idea that the Invisible
Green Dragon created the gods and that the Underground Marshmallow People are
running the world. These things are *possible* (when looked at from a purely
logical stance) but so grossly unlikely as to the point of not being worth
considering.


--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot
use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow
superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

On May 11, 2021 at 10:41:26 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
:

I do like how those who troll get so bent out of shape. So often the same
pattern:

1) They make a claim.
2) There is a response they do not like.

They go back to 1. Carroll and Gremlin are masters at this.

It's fustration at nobody understanding simple concepts.

And there's no such thing as a troll, just people you don't agree with.

Real trolls don't have a position, they deliberately
make claims that are likely to provoke a reaction.

I don't believe such people exist. Nobody would state the opposite of what
they believe.

Do you think Carroll *truly* believes the nonsense he says about me? The
example I saw from the other day:

Carroll :
-----
Snit's 'argument' is the lack of 'one distro to rule them all',
thus making Linux inferior, at least, on the desktop.
-----

He might believe it... but if he did he would be able to back it, and when he
failed (which he would if he tried) he would admit to his error. Or he would
just ASK me what I think and not speak FOR me.

Instead it is predictable he will play victim over it.

--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot
use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow
superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

On 05/11/2021 07:49 PM, Snit wrote:
On May 11, 2021 at 6:13:47 PM MST, "rbowman" wrote
:

On 05/11/2021 11:49 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:

You calling a lack of faith faith is insanity. You'll be saying atheism
is a faith next.

It is. 'Who the **** knows', aka agnosticism, is a more valid stance.

I am open to the possibility, just as I am open to the idea that the Invisible
Green Dragon created the gods and that the Underground Marshmallow People are
running the world. These things are *possible* (when looked at from a purely
logical stance) but so grossly unlikely as to the point of not being worth
considering.


Heidegger asks the question "why there is something rather than nothing".

https://www.atheists.org/activism/re...about-atheism/

Even they manage to confuse the issue. In a few paragraphs they go from
"To be clear: Atheism is not a disbelief in gods or a denial of gods; it
is a lack of belief in gods."' to "Agnostic isnt just a €œweaker€�
version of being an atheist. It answers a different question. Atheism is
about what you believe. Agnosticism is about what you know."

For the militant atheists I reject the disbelief; rather they project a
complete belief that there are no gods. Belief is belief.

On May 11, 2021 at 9:23:06 PM MST, "rbowman" wrote
:

On 05/11/2021 07:49 PM, Snit wrote:
On May 11, 2021 at 6:13:47 PM MST, "rbowman" wrote
:

On 05/11/2021 11:49 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:

You calling a lack of faith faith is insanity. You'll be saying atheism
is a faith next.

It is. 'Who the **** knows', aka agnosticism, is a more valid stance.

I am open to the possibility, just as I am open to the idea that the
Invisible
Green Dragon created the gods and that the Underground Marshmallow People
are
running the world. These things are *possible* (when looked at from a purely
logical stance) but so grossly unlikely as to the point of not being worth
considering.


Heidegger asks the question "why there is something rather than nothing".

https://www.atheists.org/activism/re...about-atheism/

Even they manage to confuse the issue. In a few paragraphs they go from
"To be clear: Atheism is not a disbelief in gods or a denial of gods; it
is a lack of belief in gods."' to "Agnostic isnt just a €œweaker€�
version of being an atheist. It answers a different question. Atheism is
about what you believe. Agnosticism is about what you know."

For the militant atheists I reject the disbelief; rather they project a
complete belief that there are no gods. Belief is belief.

Some of it might be semantics. Do you KNOW there are no Underground
Marshmallow People running the world. Well, in general conversation I assume
you do. I hope you do at least! But on a deep philosophical level you cannot
be absolutely certain of it. You cannot prove a negative.


--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot
use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow
superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

"rbowman" wrote in message
...
On 05/11/2021 11:49 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:

You calling a lack of faith faith is insanity. You'll be saying atheism
is a faith next.

It is.

Nope.

'Who the **** knows', aka agnosticism, is a more valid stance.

Not when there isnt a shred of evidence that any god exists
and its obvious that the believers are using gods as a crutch
for their pathetically inadequate 'lives'

On Tue, 11 May 2021 19:08:51 -0600, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:


https://www.thevintagenews.com/2016/...-by-arsonists/

The Norwegians got a little ****ed about it. Varg Vikernes did 15 years
for it. All he had access to in prison was a synthesizer but the Burzum
albums from that era are interesting.

Actually are beginning to STINK of the unwashed Scottish troll's stench,
lowbrowwoman! BG

On Tue, 11 May 2021 19:00:52 -0600, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:

I don't believe such people exist. Nobody would state the opposite of
what they believe.


Never been on a debate team, have you.

He's been trolling these groups for years and is known for his clinical
insanity, just like you senile pig have been feeding him for years and are
known for your pathological gossiping, lowbrowwoman!

On Wed, 12 May 2021 01:51:45 GMT, **** the sick git, the notorious,
troll-feeding, senile asshole, blathered again:


I don't believe such people exist. Nobody would state the opposite of what
they believe.

Do you think Carroll *truly* believes the nonsense he says about me? The
example I saw from the other day:

ROTFLOL! A troll-feeding senile real asshole WHINING to the troll he keeps
feeding! You can watch such a freak show ONLY on Usenet! LOL

On Tue, 11 May 2021 19:13:47 -0600, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:



It is. 'Who the **** knows', aka agnosticism, is a more valid stance.

It is NOTHING but trolling on his part and NOTHING but troll-feeding on your
part, you miserable senile asshole and gossip!

On Wed, 12 May 2021 04:47:48 GMT, **** the sick git, the notorious,
troll-feeding, senile asshole, blathered again:

For the militant atheists I reject the disbelief; rather they project a
complete belief that there are no gods. Belief is belief.

Some of it might be semantics. Do you KNOW there are no Underground
Marshmallow People running the world. Well, in general conversation I assume
you do. I hope you do at least! But on a deep philosophical level you cannot
be absolutely certain of it. You cannot prove a negative.

Hey, isn't there some newsgroup for driveling senile assholes like the two
of you? How about "alt.senile.cretins"? Would be perfect for you! BG

On Wed, 12 May 2021 14:55:47 +1000, "Joey", better known as cantankerous
trolling senile geezer Rodent Speed, wrote:


FLUSH the trolling senile asshole's latest troll**** unread

--
Website (from 2007) dedicated to the 86-year-old senile Australian
cretin's pathological trolling:
https://www.pcreview.co.uk/threads/r...d-faq.2973853/

On 05/11/2021 10:47 PM, Snit wrote:
Some of it might be semantics. Do you KNOW there are no Underground
Marshmallow People running the world. Well, in general conversation I assume
you do. I hope you do at least! But on a deep philosophical level you cannot
be absolutely certain of it. You cannot prove a negative.


In the two truths doctrine formulated by Nagarjuna and others the is
conventional reality and there is ultimate reality. Conventional reality
is filled with handy assumptions like there are no Marshmallow people.
Ultimate reality considers all those assumptions to be empty.

Nagarjuna's principal work is based on a tetralemma.

All things exist
All things do not exist
All things both exist and do not exist
All things neither exist nor do not exist

Maybe the Marshmallow People are hiding there someplace.

On 05/11/2021 10:55 PM, Joey wrote:


"rbowman" wrote in message
...
On 05/11/2021 11:49 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:

You calling a lack of faith faith is insanity. You'll be saying atheism
is a faith next.

It is.

Nope.

'Who the **** knows', aka agnosticism, is a more valid stance.

Not when there isnt a shred of evidence that any god exists
and its obvious that the believers are using gods as a crutch
for their pathetically inadequate 'lives'

Spoken like a True Believer...

On 05/11/2021 11:55 PM, wrote:
If it weren't for Religion a whole lot more people who would be
killers, thieves and more. Only the fear of that 'god' thing and
'hell' keeps them honest.

Evelyn Waugh the novelist converted to Catholicism and was also known as
a real prick. When someone asked him how he squared the two he replied
that without religion he would be a lot worse.


So STFU before you convince them that atheism is the way to go. Ammo
is not only expensive and almost can't be found these days, so I don't
need a few million more a-holes junkin' around my town with no fear of
gawd or hell.

I doubt you would find much belief in either among the rioters. Some of
them don't even believe in the divine power of 230 grains of lead
traveling at 900 ft/s. That's what you get when you replace religion,
whether it is true or not, with nihilism.

On Wed, 12 May 2021 08:02:53 -0600, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:


In the two truths doctrine formulated by Nagarjuna and others the is
conventional reality

Oh, ****! Is it now about Nagarjuna, you disgusting endlessly bull****ting
senile GOSSIP?

On Wed, 12 May 2021 08:10:20 -0600, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:


Evelyn Waugh the novelist

Oh, NO!!! Now he starts driveling about Evelyn Waugh!!!! Just WTF is WRONG
with you, senile bull**** artist?

On Wed, 12 May 2021 08:04:11 -0600, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:


Not when there isnt a shred of evidence that any god exists
and its obvious that the believers are using gods as a crutch
for their pathetically inadequate 'lives'

Spoken like a True Believer...

Nope, he's just a miserable driveling senile asshole like you!

On May 12, 2021 at 7:02:53 AM MST, "rbowman" wrote
:

On 05/11/2021 10:47 PM, Snit wrote:
Some of it might be semantics. Do you KNOW there are no Underground
Marshmallow People running the world. Well, in general conversation I assume
you do. I hope you do at least! But on a deep philosophical level you cannot
be absolutely certain of it. You cannot prove a negative.


In the two truths doctrine formulated by Nagarjuna and others the is
conventional reality and there is ultimate reality. Conventional reality
is filled with handy assumptions like there are no Marshmallow people.

At least not any s'more!

Ultimate reality considers all those assumptions to be empty.

Nagarjuna's principal work is based on a tetralemma.

All things exist
All things do not exist
All things both exist and do not exist
All things neither exist nor do not exist

Maybe the Marshmallow People are hiding there someplace.

They must be!

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They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

On Sun, 02 May 2021 20:35:46 +0100, Snit wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sun, 25 Apr 2021 19:52:51 +0100, Snit wrote:

On Apr 25, 2021 at 11:41:26 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
:

On Wed, 21 Apr 2021 19:20:41 +0100, Snit wrote:

On Apr 21, 2021 at 11:13:56 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
:

On Sat, 17 Apr 2021 23:50:26 +0100, Snit wrote:

On Apr 17, 2021 at 10:28:03 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
:


...
Scientists are liberal because they want funding for free.

Scientists are liberal because the conservative mindset is to deny
evidence.
We can see this with COVID,

No, we just don't make such a fuss over a small thing. A thing that
kills 4
times less than cancer and 40 times less than the world population growth.

The idea that over half a million dead in America, and many more than that
around the world, and that is WITH some fairly significant precautions,
is a
"small thing" is an utter rejection of the facts.

It's 4 times smaller than cancer and 40 times smaller then the population
growth. Those are numbers, irrefutable numbers.

In the US it is the third leading cause of death. And that is with some
precautions. Your lack of compassion does not reduce the harm.

It's FOUR TIMES LESS. So 100 people die, but only 20 of them were
coronavirus. And that's assuming nobody died of anything other than the
virus or cancer.

It is still the third leading cause of death. Maybe even higher now.

So not the most important one to deal with. It's like putting out a
candle in the hall when your entire kitchen is on fire.

It is the most preventable of the three €” and still at third WITH lots of
precautions.

But it's still a very small chance of you actually dying of it, lower than a percent!

Again, your lack of compassion is on you... a "bad trait" if you will.

And those without compassion are bad for society... so by your own standards
should you not be weeded out?

I'm not telling people to live "dangerously", I'm telling them not to insist that I don't.

And insisting on a special entitlement to risk their lives €” showing a lack
of compassion on your part.

I'm not ripping off people's masks.

man-made global climate change,

It was 1C here in Scotland a few days ago, in spring. There is no global
warming.

Denial of the fact from you. That is what I mean.

I can see the temperature with my own eyes! It's on the thermometer over
there!

You use a local temperature to try to deny evidence of man-made global
climate
change. Your logic is flawed.

So magically my part of the world stays the same and the rest goes up?
Right.... Look, just move to the place that's the temperature you like, if
you're fussy enough to care about the alleged 2C change.

Selection bias

Stop using silly psychological labels you've read somewhere.

Do you even know what it is you are being called out on?

Yeah I looked it up and it's bull****.

is not a good way to look at climate. I say go with the
evidence.

I have plenty evidence right here, the weather outside my house is what it always has been.

Likely untrue but also not relevant.

It's true and it's a good unbiassed data point.

And moving does not reduce man-made global climate change, nor its harm.

Of course it does. If it becomes too hot to grow crops where you live,
move further north, or grow more appropriate crops. The UK will be able
to grow oranges. Russia will become a huge farmland instead of frozen wastes.

Food supplies will be harmed €” more than they are now.

What evidence do you have for this? At the moment we have food growing well in some places and not at all in others. So they swap about, who cares?

http://climate.nasa.gov

research on reduction of abortions,

That's not science, that's morals.

If you want to reduce abortions, which most conservatives claim to want,
there
are known methods to do it. At least in American the Republican party (the
more conservative of the two) rejects every one of these things. There
"solution" is to deny women equal rights.

The whole idea that an abortion is wrong is insanity. The child belongs to
the mother, and nobody else.

The Republican party pretends to be against abortion but then refused to do
anything to help reduce the numbers. The Democrats want it to be legal but
want to keep it rare.

Reducing the numbers can only mean you're taking away the right of choice
from the woman. I thought you liked human rights? The government should not
intervene.

I say increase the choice. Many who get an abortion would not have needed one
if they had more choices -- this is based on the evidence of better education,
free birth control, more access to Planned Parenthood and the like, etc.

It's not rocket science to use a condom. You don't need education for
something that simple. Even if you forget/were drunk, there's a morning after pill.

Evidence shows education works.

You mean brainwash. Let people make their own decisions.

and in some cases even things like evolution.

Evolution could take place if we let coronavirus kill off the weak.

Evolution IS taking place. And the more the virus spreads the more it
mutates
/ evolves.

I was obviously talking about the evolution of humans to fight it off.
Think
about Eskimos and the cold virus.

And we as a species have evolved the ability to make vaccines.

No, we've invented the ability to screw up our future evolution.

Evolution has no plan. It is not forward "thinking" -- it does not think at
all.

It doesn't have to. It works by simply deleting the failures. But
society is allowing those failures to breed, producing more failures.

People have not stopped you from breeding. True enough. Are you suggesting
you should have been sterilized?

I don't need to be, I'm clever enough to realise there are plenty of genes better than mine so I would never pass mine on. I don't think I would even if I was perfect, since the world is vastly overpopulated.

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On Tue, 04 May 2021 18:53:49 +0100, Rod Speed wrote:



"Commander Kinsey" wrote in message
news
On Thu, 29 Apr 2021 04:56:06 +0100, Snit
wrote:

On Apr 28, 2021 at 8:44:12 PM MST, "rbowman" wrote
:

On 04/28/2021 12:35 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
Vote Libertarian.

In this country I only vote for the Libertarian as a 'none of the above'
statement. I may have left-libertarian tendencies but in the US the
capital L libertarians are right-libertarians.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/It_Usu..._with_Ayn_Rand

They pretend that conservative fiscal policies will lead to liberal
social
results, as if the magic market is going to go contrary to profits to
protect
human rights and the environment.

The market does what the customers request.

Often, but not always.

If it doesn't, they don't make many sales.

Imagine a world with no green legislation. Now imagine 5 companies making
the same thing. Two of them advertise green-ness in manufacturing etc.
Anyone who believed in ecology would only buy from those two

If they believe the claims.

They can check up if they wish.

and the others would go bankrupt or change their ways.

Hardly ever because most arent into ecology.

Only a minority are silly enough to buy the "organic" **** in the
supermarket.

So why do people keep voting for parties that put this climate change ****e through?

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On Fri, 07 May 2021 21:03:34 +0100, Snit wrote:

On May 7, 2021 at 10:42:31 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
:

On Thu, 29 Apr 2021 21:32:57 +0100, Snit wrote:

On Apr 29, 2021 at 12:35:52 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
:

On Sun, 25 Apr 2021 19:49:39 +0100, Snit wrote:

On Apr 25, 2021 at 11:43:52 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
:

Grossly overreacting was therefore a trait that needed removing for the
next generation.

Nope because it means they do much better with the
non pandemic infections and don't have to bother to
wash their hands all the time and can get away with
doing what is more convenient like not throwing
away food that has had a fly walk on it etc etc etc.

Having a trait that makes you better at 9 things but worse at another,
getting you killed, is not a good trait to have. Say you could do
calculations twice as fast, you could sing perfect pitch, you could do 1000
pushups, but the sight of a car made you spontaneously combust. That would
not be a good thing to have. By your reasoning, you would be called
superior, and have a hired help to warn you of approaching cars.

You have no right to say who should not be saved.

You have no right to intervene in evolution and keep the worthless alive.

Back to your deserted island you go.

That's all that will be left if the governments keep allowing inferior
genetics to continue.

Sounds like you back Nazis and Trump.

Indeed. They have oodles of common sense. You're too caring for your own good.

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On Fri, 07 May 2021 22:05:32 +0100, Snit wrote:

On May 7, 2021 at 10:49:39 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
:

If god had wished us to know about the universe would he not have told us?

Unlikely that some arsehole who just yawned when 6M of its alleged
chosen people were gassed and cremated by Adolf and his henchmen.
Presumably he chose to lie to them about being chosen people and
was ****ing himself and laughing as they got gassed etc.

Or the whole world is a computer game and the guy playing Hitler got a new
high score.

Pity about radioactive decay alone.

Randomness is simply lack of detailed knowledge. Take flipping a coin.
If you know enough about how hard you spin it etc, you can work out what
side it will land on.

Doesn't work with radioactive decay.

I don't believe you, there must be a way of calculating it precisely.

I share your same intuition... but there is no evidence to back it.

This is a good example of where "common sense" and evidence might clash.
Common sense says there is an underlying mechanism that is deterministic, but
the evidence at least for now does not support that. Then we can get into
really weird stuff like the double slit experiment and strange attraction. Not
that I am anything close to an expert in those, but common sense does not
apply there!

The evidence does not include as yet undiscovered methods of measuring the tiny insides of small things.

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On Fri, 07 May 2021 20:51:26 +0100, Snit wrote:

On May 7, 2021 at 10:50:33 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
:

On Sun, 02 May 2021 20:30:12 +0100, Snit wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Tue, 27 Apr 2021 02:51:01 +0100, Snit wrote:

On Apr 26, 2021 at 10:54:59 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
:

On Fri, 23 Apr 2021 21:03:53 +0100, Rod Speed
wrote:



"Snit" wrote in message
...
On Apr 23, 2021 at 10:54:38 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
:

On Wed, 21 Apr 2021 06:05:23 +0100, Rod Speed
wrote:

Some gutless ****wit troll desperately cowering behind
"Snit" repetitively ****ted
the same mindless troll**** and lies as it always does when
its got done like a ****ing dinner, as it always is.

Tedious, isn't he?

What Rod Speed ran from:

More of you lies, that troll**** is what I flushed, repeatedly.

Snit is what's called a floater.

I do tend to have multiple social groups.

That's your left wing never stop talking problem.


I miss Trump=E2=80=99s silent ways.

Intelligence is the ability to make your point concisely and clearly. The
left wing cannot do that.

That is not really what intelligence is,

It's one aspect of it.

but I can be quite clear and concise:
I back equal rights and environmental protection, as well as evidence based
policies and investment into the future of the society.

How about you?

See every post I've sent to you and collate.

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On May 12, 2021 at 11:31:23 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
:
....





It is still the third leading cause of death. Maybe even higher now.

So not the most important one to deal with. It's like putting out a
candle in the hall when your entire kitchen is on fire.

It is the most preventable of the three =E2=80=94 and still at third WITH
lots of
precautions.

But it's still a very small chance of you actually dying of it, lower than a
percent!

So what? And that makes it OK to risk the lives of others? That means it is OK
to have life-long health issues from it as 1/3 of those who get it likely
will? That makes it OK to deeply disrespect the medical community as they are
overrun?

You have such little compassion for others is an issue for you, and not one I
can solve.

Again, your lack of compassion is on you... a "bad trait" if you will.

And those without compassion are bad for society... so by your own standards
should you not be weeded out?

I'm not telling people to live "dangerously", I'm telling them not to
insist that I don't.

And insisting on a special entitlement to risk their lives =E2=80=94
showing a lack
of compassion on your part.

You changed the topic to a straw man. Not biting.



I'm not ripping off people's masks.

man-made global climate change,

It was 1C here in Scotland a few days ago, in spring. There is no global
warming.

Denial of the fact from you. That is what I mean.

I can see the temperature with my own eyes! It's on the thermometer over
there!

You use a local temperature to try to deny evidence of man-made global
climate
change. Your logic is flawed.

So magically my part of the world stays the same and the rest goes up?
Right.... Look, just move to the place that's the temperature you like, if
you're fussy enough to care about the alleged 2C change.

Selection bias

Stop using silly psychological labels you've read somewhere.

Do you even know what it is you are being called out on?

Yeah I looked it up and it's bull****.

By all means explain what you think it is.



is not a good way to look at climate. I say go with the
evidence.

I have plenty evidence right here, the weather outside my house is what it
always has been.

Likely untrue but also not relevant.

It's true and it's a good unbiassed data point.

A single data point is irrelevant to the big picture. Again, you are pushing a
claim that is contrary to the evidence... and doing so based on your faith.

You mock those with faith, even as you push your own.




And moving does not reduce man-made global climate change, nor its harm.

Of course it does. If it becomes too hot to grow crops where you live,
move further north, or grow more appropriate crops. The UK will be able
to grow oranges. Russia will become a huge farmland instead of frozen
wastes.

Food supplies will be harmed =E2=80=94 more than they are now.

What evidence do you have for this? At the moment we have food growing well
in some places and not at all in others. So they swap about, who cares?

We can look at the peer review research behind these, but here is a start:

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/08/climate/climate-change-food-supply.html

https://www.un.org/en/academic-impact/worlds-food-supply-made-insecure-climate-change
https://www.ipcc.ch/srccl/chapter/chapter-5/
https://time.com/5663621/climate-change-food-supply/

https://yaleclimateconnections.org/2019/09/a-brief-guide-to-the-impacts-of-climate-change-on-food-production/
http://www.ciesin.org/docs/004-138/004-138.html
https://www.usda.gov/oce/energy-and-environment/food-security
http://www.foodsystemprimer.org/food-production/food-and-climate-change/

https://news.climate.columbia.edu/2018/07/25/climate-change-food-agriculture/
https://unfoundation.org/blog/post/climate-change-and-the-future-of-food/
https://www.concernusa.org/story/climate-change-food-security/

https://www.nbcnews.com/mach/news/climate-change-could-trigger-global-food-crisis-new-u-n-ncna1040236
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2021/04/210408131452.htm
https://foodinsight.org/climate-change-and-food-supply/

https://19january2017snapshot.epa.gov/climate-impacts/climate-impacts-agriculture-and-food-supply_.html
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1569580/
https://www.ecosystemmarketplace.com/articles/14979/

https://theecologist.org/2019/nov/15/climate-change-impacts-food-production
https://www.osti.gov/biblio/5579867-climate-changes-food-supply

https://www.csis.org/analysis/climate-change-and-food-security-test-us-leadership-fragile-world

Easy to find much more.

By the way, this ties into a past topic... the Services you can add on macOS.
If you did a few minutes of research and wanted to get the 20 URLs you found
copied for sharing, and have them indented and bracketed like that, how would
you do that?

https://youtu.be/jxa0UWYuiIg



....

I say increase the choice. Many who get an abortion would not have needed
one
if they had more choices -- this is based on the evidence of better
education,
free birth control, more access to Planned Parenthood and the like, etc.

It's not rocket science to use a condom. You don't need education for
something that simple. Even if you forget/were drunk, there's a morning
after pill.

Evidence shows education works.

You mean brainwash. Let people make their own decisions.


I mean what I said... not what you worked to twist it to. Being educated
allows people to make more informed decisions. THAT is what I am advocating.



and in some cases even things like evolution.

Evolution could take place if we let coronavirus kill off the weak.

Evolution IS taking place. And the more the virus spreads the more it
mutates
/ evolves.

I was obviously talking about the evolution of humans to fight it off.
Think
about Eskimos and the cold virus.

And we as a species have evolved the ability to make vaccines.

No, we've invented the ability to screw up our future evolution.

Evolution has no plan. It is not forward "thinking" -- it does not think at
all.

It doesn't have to. It works by simply deleting the failures. But
society is allowing those failures to breed, producing more failures.

People have not stopped you from breeding. True enough. Are you suggesting
you should have been sterilized?

I don't need to be, I'm clever enough to realise there are plenty of genes
better than mine so I would never pass mine on. I don't think I would even
if I was perfect, since the world is vastly overpopulated.

Fair enough.

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Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot
use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow
superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

On May 12, 2021 at 11:35:29 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
:

On Fri, 07 May 2021 21:03:34 +0100, Snit wrote:

On May 7, 2021 at 10:42:31 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
:

On Thu, 29 Apr 2021 21:32:57 +0100, Snit wrote:

On Apr 29, 2021 at 12:35:52 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
:

On Sun, 25 Apr 2021 19:49:39 +0100, Snit wrote:

On Apr 25, 2021 at 11:43:52 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
:

Grossly overreacting was therefore a trait that needed removing for the
next generation.

Nope because it means they do much better with the
non pandemic infections and don't have to bother to
wash their hands all the time and can get away with
doing what is more convenient like not throwing
away food that has had a fly walk on it etc etc etc.

Having a trait that makes you better at 9 things but worse at another,
getting you killed, is not a good trait to have. Say you could do
calculations twice as fast, you could sing perfect pitch, you could
do 1000
pushups, but the sight of a car made you spontaneously combust.
That would
not be a good thing to have. By your reasoning, you would be called
superior, and have a hired help to warn you of approaching cars.

You have no right to say who should not be saved.

You have no right to intervene in evolution and keep the worthless alive.

Back to your deserted island you go.

That's all that will be left if the governments keep allowing inferior
genetics to continue.

Sounds like you back Nazis and Trump.

Indeed. They have oodles of common sense. You're too caring for your own
good.

I suspect you are joking but I truly find no humor in backing Nazis.

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Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot
use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow
superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

On May 12, 2021 at 11:36:43 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
:

On Fri, 07 May 2021 22:05:32 +0100, Snit wrote:

On May 7, 2021 at 10:49:39 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
:

If god had wished us to know about the universe would he not have told us?

Unlikely that some arsehole who just yawned when 6M of its alleged
chosen people were gassed and cremated by Adolf and his henchmen.
Presumably he chose to lie to them about being chosen people and
was ****ing himself and laughing as they got gassed etc.

Or the whole world is a computer game and the guy playing Hitler got a new
high score.

Pity about radioactive decay alone.

Randomness is simply lack of detailed knowledge. Take flipping a coin.
If you know enough about how hard you spin it etc, you can work out what
side it will land on.

Doesn't work with radioactive decay.

I don't believe you, there must be a way of calculating it precisely.

I share your same intuition... but there is no evidence to back it.

This is a good example of where "common sense" and evidence might clash.
Common sense says there is an underlying mechanism that is deterministic,
but
the evidence at least for now does not support that. Then we can get into
really weird stuff like the double slit experiment and strange attraction.
Not
that I am anything close to an expert in those, but common sense does not
apply there!

The evidence does not include as yet undiscovered methods of measuring the
tiny insides of small things.

Perhaps, but your speculation, which I share, is also not backed by evidence.

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Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot
use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow
superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

On Wed, 12 May 2021 19:09:23 GMT, **** the sick git, the notorious,
troll-feeding, senile asshole, blathered again:


I suspect you are joking but I truly find no humor in backing Nazis.

Already at it, yet again, senile sucker of troll cock? Just WTF makes him so
irresistible to you? The fact that he never wears any underwear (which he
bragged about)? BG

On Wed, 12 May 2021 18:59:37 GMT, **** the sick git, the notorious,
troll-feeding, senile asshole, blathered again:

Fair enough.

Like what? His unwashed troll cock in your senile mouth?

On Wed, 12 May 2021 19:19:24 GMT, **** the sick git, the notorious,
troll-feeding, senile asshole, blathered again:



Perhaps, but your speculation, which I share,

You share a lot more than just his speculation, senile sucker of troll cock!
He really was lucky to have found a demented senile asshole like you! LOL