http://www.computerworld.com/article...ned-patch.html

Just another way MS is ****ing you over. For those of you drinking
the Windows 10 koolaid... What flavor is it supposed to be? And,
does it taste like it?

Do be careful what you run on Windows 10, as, Edge isn't really
'disabled' as some of you previously thought. I'd hate to see some
new malware take advantage of the POS and cause you unwanted grief.



--
I would like to apologize for not having offended you yet.
Please be patient. I will get to you shortly.

On 05/04/2017 06:06 AM, Bud Frede wrote:
Diesel writes:


Just another way MS is ****ing you over. For those of you drinking
the Windows 10 koolaid... What flavor is it supposed to be? And,
does it taste like it?

It's the same flavor that all Microsoft software has had since day 1.




No, MS is really making things worse.

I recently built a machine with a mobo that was designed for Win10 or
Ubuntu 16.


I was able to install Win7 with no problems but there were no drivers
for USB. (also generic video drivers)


None were provided by the mfg and none of the "usual tricks" worked.


For example, back in the old days XP drivers worked fine for Win2K.


What I did was install Win10 then find the drivers USB was using and I
copies the .sys and .inf to a cd.


Booting back to Win7 I used the Win10 drivers in attempt to get USB
working. I got the usual message concerning "unsigned drivers" and
installed them, That normally would have done the trick but in the
situation here, the USB drivers were non-functional.


The upgrade from Win7 to Win10 is still free,so... since this was not
costing me anything, I went ahead and decided to use Win10.

A default installation of Win10 is **** poor, but after doing a bit of
experimenting and tweaking I managed to get it working quite well and
have turned off quite a bit of MS spying...but am quite sure there is
more left I will have to trace down.


Some of the tweaking is routine, such as taking apps out of startup and
disabling un-needed services.

One thing I had to do was use a minor registry tweak to disable Cortana,
then also a (free) 3rd party utility to easily change system fonts.

Some of the problems MS may some day fix, but most of them will be
ignored by MS.

On Thu, 4 May 2017 03:50:53 -0000 (UTC)
Diesel wrote:

http://www.computerworld.com/article...ned-patch.html

Just another way MS is ****ing you over. For those of you drinking
the Windows 10 koolaid... What flavor is it supposed to be? And,
does it taste like it?

Do be careful what you run on Windows 10, as, Edge isn't really
'disabled' as some of you previously thought. I'd hate to see some
new malware take advantage of the POS and cause you unwanted grief.




Until last year windows is all you ran/hacked

On 05/04/2017 04:28 AM, philo wrote:
On 05/04/2017 06:06 AM, Bud Frede wrote:
Diesel writes:


Just another way MS is ****ing you over. For those of you drinking
the Windows 10 koolaid... What flavor is it supposed to be? And,
does it taste like it?

It's the same flavor that all Microsoft software has had since day 1.




No, MS is really making things worse.

I recently built a machine with a mobo that was designed for Win10 or
Ubuntu 16.


I was able to install Win7 with no problems but there were no drivers
for USB. (also generic video drivers)


None were provided by the mfg and none of the "usual tricks" worked.


For example, back in the old days XP drivers worked fine for Win2K.


What I did was install Win10 then find the drivers USB was using and I
copies the .sys and .inf to a cd.


Booting back to Win7 I used the Win10 drivers in attempt to get USB
working. I got the usual message concerning "unsigned drivers" and
installed them, That normally would have done the trick but in the
situation here, the USB drivers were non-functional.


The upgrade from Win7 to Win10 is still free,so... since this was not
costing me anything, I went ahead and decided to use Win10.

A default installation of Win10 is **** poor, but after doing a bit of
experimenting and tweaking I managed to get it working quite well and
have turned off quite a bit of MS spying...but am quite sure there is
more left I will have to trace down.


Some of the tweaking is routine, such as taking apps out of startup and
disabling un-needed services.

One thing I had to do was use a minor registry tweak to disable Cortana,
then also a (free) 3rd party utility to easily change system fonts.

Some of the problems MS may some day fix, but most of them will be
ignored by MS.





Hi Philo,

M$ is a pain-in-the-ass over these matters. They should,
but they don't because they want you to buy their
latest garbage (Windows Nein, oops Ten).

You have to create a USB flash drive with the Windows 7
USB 3 drivers included.

https://downloadcenter.intel.com/dow...reator-Utility

After FINALLY getting mine to work, I created a "dd" copy
of my flash drive and burn them off whenever I do a custom
system.

I am still trying got figure out how to do this with
NVMe M.2 drives and W7's ISO, but haven't tried too
hard as no one have bought a W7 custom system from me with
an NVMe drive in it yet. (NVMe drives EXTREMELY fast.)

-T

On 05/04/2017 06:06 AM, Bud Frede wrote:
Diesel writes:


Just another way MS is ****ing you over. For those of you drinking
the Windows 10 koolaid... What flavor is it supposed to be? And,
does it taste like it?

It's the same flavor that all Microsoft software has had since day 1.

It's not chocolate :-)


--
"Many persons who claim that they are "clothed with righteousness" do
not seem to have got very good fits." [Lemuel K. Washburn, _Is The Bible
Worth Reading And Other Essays_, 1911]

philo news May 2017 11:28:16 GMT in alt.home.repair, wrote:

On 05/04/2017 06:06 AM, Bud Frede wrote:
Diesel writes:


Just another way MS is ****ing you over. For those of you
drinking the Windows 10 koolaid... What flavor is it supposed to
be? And, does it taste like it?

It's the same flavor that all Microsoft software has had since
day 1.




No, MS is really making things worse.

I recently built a machine with a mobo that was designed for Win10
or Ubuntu 16.


I was able to install Win7 with no problems but there were no
drivers for USB. (also generic video drivers)


None were provided by the mfg and none of the "usual tricks"
worked.


For example, back in the old days XP drivers worked fine for
Win2K.

Er.. SOME were okay to use, yes. others would send you into an
immediate BSOD.


What I did was install Win10 then find the drivers USB was using
and I copies the .sys and .inf to a cd.

Oh boy. I can just imagine how that worked out for you...


Booting back to Win7 I used the Win10 drivers in attempt to get
USB working. I got the usual message concerning "unsigned drivers"
and installed them, That normally would have done the trick but in
the situation here, the USB drivers were non-functional.

You're lucky you didn't BSOD, instead.

The upgrade from Win7 to Win10 is still free,so... since this was
not costing me anything, I went ahead and decided to use Win10.

Oh, it's costing you, just not in monies right away.

A default installation of Win10 is **** poor, but after doing a
bit of experimenting and tweaking I managed to get it working
quite well and have turned off quite a bit of MS spying...but am
quite sure there is more left I will have to trace down.

You can't turn it all off, and, at MS's whim, whatever changes you
did make concerning that are an update away from being reversed.

Some of the problems MS may some day fix, but most of them will be
ignored by MS.

Sure, why not. Those who don't know any better are installing Win10
like good sheeple.


--
I would like to apologize for not having offended you yet.
Please be patient. I will get to you shortly.

T news 2017 16:38:15 GMT in alt.home.repair, wrote:

Hi Philo,

M$ is a pain-in-the-ass over these matters. They should,
but they don't because they want you to buy their
latest garbage (Windows Nein, oops Ten).

You have to create a USB flash drive with the Windows 7
USB 3 drivers included.

https://downloadcenter.intel.com/dow...ws-7-USB-3-0-C
reator-Utility

That doesn't always work, either. The drivers have to support the
hardware, since, er, that's the point of the driver in the first place.


--
I would like to apologize for not having offended you yet.
Please be patient. I will get to you shortly.

On 5/4/2017 2:39 PM, Diesel wrote:
philo news May 2017 11:28:16 GMT in alt.home.repair, wrote:

On 05/04/2017 06:06 AM, Bud Frede wrote:
Diesel writes:

Just another way MS is ****ing you over. For those of you
drinking the Windows 10 koolaid... What flavor is it supposed to
be? And, does it taste like it?
It's the same flavor that all Microsoft software has had since
day 1.



No, MS is really making things worse.

I recently built a machine with a mobo that was designed for Win10
or Ubuntu 16.


I was able to install Win7 with no problems but there were no
drivers for USB. (also generic video drivers)


None were provided by the mfg and none of the "usual tricks"
worked.


For example, back in the old days XP drivers worked fine for
Win2K.
Er.. SOME were okay to use, yes. others would send you into an
immediate BSOD.


What I did was install Win10 then find the drivers USB was using
and I copies the .sys and .inf to a cd.
Oh boy. I can just imagine how that worked out for you...

Booting back to Win7 I used the Win10 drivers in attempt to get
USB working. I got the usual message concerning "unsigned drivers"
and installed them, That normally would have done the trick but in
the situation here, the USB drivers were non-functional.
You're lucky you didn't BSOD, instead.

The upgrade from Win7 to Win10 is still free,so... since this was
not costing me anything, I went ahead and decided to use Win10.
Oh, it's costing you, just not in monies right away.

A default installation of Win10 is **** poor, but after doing a
bit of experimenting and tweaking I managed to get it working
quite well and have turned off quite a bit of MS spying...but am
quite sure there is more left I will have to trace down.
You can't turn it all off, and, at MS's whim, whatever changes you
did make concerning that are an update away from being reversed.

Some of the problems MS may some day fix, but most of them will be
ignored by MS.
Sure, why not. Those who don't know any better are installing Win10
like good sheeple.


Exactly what do you recommend then ? You criticized me for installing
Win7 , you don't like 10 , what are we all supposed to do , jump over
to Linux OS's ?

--

Snag

On 05/04/2017 11:38 AM, T wrote:
On 05/04/2017 04:28 AM, philo wrote:
On 05/04/2017 06:06 AM, Bud Frede wrote:
Diesel writes:


Just another way MS is ****ing you over. For those of you drinking
the Windows 10 koolaid... What flavor is it supposed to be? And,
does it taste like it?

It's the same flavor that all Microsoft software has had since day 1.




No, MS is really making things worse.

I recently built a machine with a mobo that was designed for Win10 or
Ubuntu 16.


I was able to install Win7 with no problems but there were no drivers
for USB. (also generic video drivers)


None were provided by the mfg and none of the "usual tricks" worked.


For example, back in the old days XP drivers worked fine for Win2K.


What I did was install Win10 then find the drivers USB was using and I
copies the .sys and .inf to a cd.


Booting back to Win7 I used the Win10 drivers in attempt to get USB
working. I got the usual message concerning "unsigned drivers" and
installed them, That normally would have done the trick but in the
situation here, the USB drivers were non-functional.


The upgrade from Win7 to Win10 is still free,so... since this was not
costing me anything, I went ahead and decided to use Win10.

A default installation of Win10 is **** poor, but after doing a bit of
experimenting and tweaking I managed to get it working quite well and
have turned off quite a bit of MS spying...but am quite sure there is
more left I will have to trace down.


Some of the tweaking is routine, such as taking apps out of startup and
disabling un-needed services.

One thing I had to do was use a minor registry tweak to disable Cortana,
then also a (free) 3rd party utility to easily change system fonts.

Some of the problems MS may some day fix, but most of them will be
ignored by MS.





Hi Philo,

M$ is a pain-in-the-ass over these matters. They should,
but they don't because they want you to buy their
latest garbage (Windows Nein, oops Ten).

You have to create a USB flash drive with the Windows 7
USB 3 drivers included.

https://downloadcenter.intel.com/dow...reator-Utility



I did not try that but to make things clear, the mobo I had specifically
did not have USB-2 or USB-3 drivers.
I did put in a PCIe card with Win7 drivers, so that would have been a
good work-around but decided to just go with Win10...
not a big deal and I built the machine more for experimenting with Win10
than anything else. I may just end up selling the machine for cost.




After FINALLY getting mine to work, I created a "dd" copy
of my flash drive and burn them off whenever I do a custom
system.

I am still trying got figure out how to do this with
NVMe M.2 drives and W7's ISO, but haven't tried too
hard as no one have bought a W7 custom system from me with
an NVMe drive in it yet. (NVMe drives EXTREMELY fast.)

-T

On 05/04/2017 02:39 PM, Diesel wrote:
philo news May 2017 11:28:16 GMT in alt.home.repair, wrote:

On 05/04/2017 06:06 AM, Bud Frede wrote:
Diesel writes:


Just another way MS is ****ing you over. For those of you
drinking the Windows 10 koolaid... What flavor is it supposed to
be? And, does it taste like it?

It's the same flavor that all Microsoft software has had since
day 1.




No, MS is really making things worse.

I recently built a machine with a mobo that was designed for Win10
or Ubuntu 16.


I was able to install Win7 with no problems but there were no
drivers for USB. (also generic video drivers)


None were provided by the mfg and none of the "usual tricks"
worked.


For example, back in the old days XP drivers worked fine for
Win2K.

Er.. SOME were okay to use, yes. others would send you into an
immediate BSOD.


What I did was install Win10 then find the drivers USB was using
and I copies the .sys and .inf to a cd.

Oh boy. I can just imagine how that worked out for you...


I already posted my results above somewhere

Booting back to Win7 I used the Win10 drivers in attempt to get
USB working. I got the usual message concerning "unsigned drivers"
and installed them, That normally would have done the trick but in
the situation here, the USB drivers were non-functional.

You're lucky you didn't BSOD, instead.


Never once had a BSOD and when I'd import XP drivers into Win2k never a
BSOD their either, but occasionally I'd have one that did not work either

The upgrade from Win7 to Win10 is still free,so... since this was
not costing me anything, I went ahead and decided to use Win10.

Oh, it's costing you, just not in monies right away.

A default installation of Win10 is **** poor, but after doing a
bit of experimenting and tweaking I managed to get it working
quite well and have turned off quite a bit of MS spying...but am
quite sure there is more left I will have to trace down.

You can't turn it all off, and, at MS's whim, whatever changes you
did make concerning that are an update away from being reversed.

Some of the problems MS may some day fix, but most of them will be
ignored by MS.

Sure, why not. Those who don't know any better are installing Win10
like good sheeple.




As I have stated on other posts my main OS is Linux.


The main reason I was using Windows at all was to support the film
scanning function of my scanner. The utility provided by Epson works
absolutely great and the Linux drivers for the film scanning function
have more limitations.

I could have purchased View Scan I suppose, but why spent money ?


One of the rare cases where using Windows was less expensive than Linux

On 05/04/2017 03:29 PM, Terry Coombs wrote:
On 5/4/2017 2:39 PM, Diesel wrote:

The upgrade from Win7 to Win10 is still free,so... since this was
not costing me anything, I went ahead and decided to use Win10.
Oh, it's costing you, just not in monies right away.

A default installation of Win10 is **** poor, but after doing a
bit of experimenting and tweaking I managed to get it working
quite well and have turned off quite a bit of MS spying...but am
quite sure there is more left I will have to trace down.
You can't turn it all off, and, at MS's whim, whatever changes you
did make concerning that are an update away from being reversed.

Some of the problems MS may some day fix, but most of them will be
ignored by MS.
Sure, why not. Those who don't know any better are installing Win10
like good sheeple.


Exactly what do you recommend then ? You criticized me for installing
Win7 , you don't like 10 , what are we all supposed to do , jump over
to Linux OS's ?




I am not an OS zealot, I simply use whichever OS does the job best.


That is why I have Windows, OSX and Linux machines.



I mentioned that I have upgraded a number of Win7 machines to Win10, but
my wife's main machine which is used to to real work, is staying with Win7.

It has worked flawlessly for years and it would not be worth taking a
gamble on Win10. There is zero chance anything would would better.

On Thu, 4 May 2017 15:29:03 -0500, Terry Coombs
wrote:

On 5/4/2017 2:39 PM, Diesel wrote:
philo news May 2017 11:28:16 GMT in alt.home.repair, wrote:

On 05/04/2017 06:06 AM, Bud Frede wrote:
Diesel writes:

Just another way MS is ****ing you over. For those of you
drinking the Windows 10 koolaid... What flavor is it supposed to
be? And, does it taste like it?
It's the same flavor that all Microsoft software has had since
day 1.



No, MS is really making things worse.

I recently built a machine with a mobo that was designed for Win10
or Ubuntu 16.


I was able to install Win7 with no problems but there were no
drivers for USB. (also generic video drivers)


None were provided by the mfg and none of the "usual tricks"
worked.


For example, back in the old days XP drivers worked fine for
Win2K.
Er.. SOME were okay to use, yes. others would send you into an
immediate BSOD.


What I did was install Win10 then find the drivers USB was using
and I copies the .sys and .inf to a cd.
Oh boy. I can just imagine how that worked out for you...

Booting back to Win7 I used the Win10 drivers in attempt to get
USB working. I got the usual message concerning "unsigned drivers"
and installed them, That normally would have done the trick but in
the situation here, the USB drivers were non-functional.
You're lucky you didn't BSOD, instead.

The upgrade from Win7 to Win10 is still free,so... since this was
not costing me anything, I went ahead and decided to use Win10.
Oh, it's costing you, just not in monies right away.

A default installation of Win10 is **** poor, but after doing a
bit of experimenting and tweaking I managed to get it working
quite well and have turned off quite a bit of MS spying...but am
quite sure there is more left I will have to trace down.
You can't turn it all off, and, at MS's whim, whatever changes you
did make concerning that are an update away from being reversed.

Some of the problems MS may some day fix, but most of them will be
ignored by MS.
Sure, why not. Those who don't know any better are installing Win10
like good sheeple.


Exactly what do you recommend then ? You criticized me for installing
Win7 , you don't like 10 , what are we all supposed to do , jump over
to Linux OS's ?

--

Snag
You have to remember, if it's not on the compatability list IT'S NOT
COMPATIBLE - and trying to use an OEM disc from another machine is NOT
going to work, and non-standard hardware is always a crapshoot. I've
installed Win10 as an upgrade on 15 different machines - including a
totally non-supported Acer Aspire One ZG5 with NO DIFFICULTIES at all.
Everything works on every machine - it was as easy as falling off a
bicycle.
Is Windows 10 all it could be? Of course not - but as the updates
keep coming it keeps getting better.
For my use it's a heck of a lotsimpler than Linux, and I don't care to
have to learn the insane Apple OS

On Thu, 4 May 2017 15:29:03 -0500, Terry Coombs
wrote:

Sure, why not. Those who don't know any better are installing Win10
like good sheeple.



Exactly what do you recommend then ? You criticized me for installing
Win7 , you don't like 10 , what are we all supposed to do , jump over
to Linux OS's ?

**** him. I do as I please and don't need advice from a do-gooder
bleeding heart liberal that thinks their way is the only way. If he
don't like it he can kiss my ass by cracky.

On 05/04/2017 03:45 PM, Oren wrote:
On Thu, 4 May 2017 15:29:03 -0500, Terry Coombs
wrote:

Sure, why not. Those who don't know any better are installing Win10
like good sheeple.



Exactly what do you recommend then ? You criticized me for installing
Win7 , you don't like 10 , what are we all supposed to do , jump over
to Linux OS's ?

**** him. I do as I please and don't need advice from a do-gooder
bleeding heart liberal that thinks their way is the only way. If he
don't like it he can kiss my ass by cracky.




Yep!!!!

On 5/4/2017 3:58 PM, philo wrote:
On 05/04/2017 03:45 PM, Oren wrote:
On Thu, 4 May 2017 15:29:03 -0500, Terry Coombs
wrote:

Sure, why not. Those who don't know any better are installing Win10
like good sheeple.



Exactly what do you recommend then ? You criticized me for installing
Win7 , you don't like 10 , what are we all supposed to do , jump over
to Linux OS's ?

**** him. I do as I please and don't need advice from a do-gooder
bleeding heart liberal that thinks their way is the only way. If he
don't like it he can kiss my ass by cracky.




Yep!!!!


It's not that I care about his opinion , I just wonder where he
stands . I now have 7 Pro/64 bit on 3 comps and am running XP Pro/64 bit
on this desktop . My laptop is still running 32 bit XP Pro , and won't
change , it's too old . The older HP that will go to the grandson is now
running Vista Ultimate/64 bit but may get that last 7 Pro/64 license I
bought . I'm not sure it'll run it and still haven't decided whether to
try . Now that the replacement motherboard (got a bad one , a rare
occurence as I understand it) is installed and running (apparently)
bug-free in the shopcomp , I can get this little intranet of mine sorted
out and everything where it belongs .

Just as soon as I get back from putting a new roof on my house in
Memphis ... ain't looking forward to that job .

On 05/04/2017 05:38 PM, Terry Coombs wrote:
On 5/4/2017 3:58 PM, philo wrote:
On 05/04/2017 03:45 PM, Oren wrote:
On Thu, 4 May 2017 15:29:03 -0500, Terry Coombs
wrote:

Sure, why not. Those who don't know any better are installing Win10
like good sheeple.



Exactly what do you recommend then ? You criticized me for installing
Win7 , you don't like 10 , what are we all supposed to do , jump over
to Linux OS's ?

**** him. I do as I please and don't need advice from a do-gooder
bleeding heart liberal that thinks their way is the only way. If he
don't like it he can kiss my ass by cracky.




Yep!!!!


It's not that I care about his opinion , I just wonder where he stands
. I now have 7 Pro/64 bit on 3 comps and am running XP Pro/64 bit on
this desktop . My laptop is still running 32 bit XP Pro , and won't
change , it's too old . The older HP that will go to the grandson is now
running Vista Ultimate/64 bit but may get that last 7 Pro/64 license I
bought . I'm not sure it'll run it and still haven't decided whether to
try . Now that the replacement motherboard (got a bad one , a rare
occurence as I understand it) is installed and running (apparently)
bug-free in the shopcomp , I can get this little intranet of mine sorted
out and everything where it belongs .

Just as soon as I get back from putting a new roof on my house in
Memphis ... ain't looking forward to that job .




My days of going up ladders are all over, I'm going to have to get a
complete tear-off next year.


I already told the wife, "no big vacation."

On 5/4/2017 3:38 PM, Terry Coombs wrote:



It's not that I care about his opinion , I just wonder where he
stands . I now have 7 Pro/64 bit on 3 comps and am running XP Pro/64 bit
on this desktop . My laptop is still running 32 bit XP Pro , and won't
change , it's too old . The older HP that will go to the grandson is now
running Vista Ultimate/64 bit but may get that last 7 Pro/64 license I
bought . I'm not sure it'll run it and still haven't decided whether to
try . Now that the replacement motherboard (got a bad one , a rare
occurence as I understand it) is installed and running (apparently)
bug-free in the shopcomp , I can get this little intranet of mine sorted
out and everything where it belongs .

I thought Vista with all the service packs was fine.
Only reason I updated to 7 was because they artificially limited
WMC to two tuners, and I needed four.

On Thu, 4 May 2017 17:38:16 -0500, Terry Coombs
wrote:

On 5/4/2017 3:58 PM, philo wrote:
On 05/04/2017 03:45 PM, Oren wrote:
On Thu, 4 May 2017 15:29:03 -0500, Terry Coombs
wrote:

Sure, why not. Those who don't know any better are installing Win10
like good sheeple.



Exactly what do you recommend then ? You criticized me for installing
Win7 , you don't like 10 , what are we all supposed to do , jump over
to Linux OS's ?

**** him. I do as I please and don't need advice from a do-gooder
bleeding heart liberal that thinks their way is the only way. If he
don't like it he can kiss my ass by cracky.




Yep!!!!


It's not that I care about his opinion , I just wonder where he
stands . I now have 7 Pro/64 bit on 3 comps and am running XP Pro/64 bit
on this desktop . My laptop is still running 32 bit XP Pro , and won't
change , it's too old . The older HP that will go to the grandson is now
running Vista Ultimate/64 bit but may get that last 7 Pro/64 license I
bought . I'm not sure it'll run it and still haven't decided whether to
try . Now that the replacement motherboard (got a bad one , a rare
occurence as I understand it) is installed and running (apparently)
bug-free in the shopcomp , I can get this little intranet of mine sorted
out and everything where it belongs .

Just as soon as I get back from putting a new roof on my house in
Memphis ... ain't looking forward to that job .
Anything that will run Vista will run 7. Getting bad motherboards is
not that rare an occurence - I've had enough bad ones that I won't
waste my time building computers any more.

On Thu, 04 May 2017 16:43:44 -0400, wrote:


You have to remember, if it's not on the compatability list IT'S NOT
COMPATIBLE - and trying to use an OEM disc from another machine is NOT
going to work, and non-standard hardware is always a crapshoot. I've
installed Win10 as an upgrade on 15 different machines - including a
totally non-supported Acer Aspire One ZG5 with NO DIFFICULTIES at all.
Everything works on every machine - it was as easy as falling off a
bicycle.
Is Windows 10 all it could be? Of course not - but as the updates
keep coming it keeps getting better.
For my use it's a heck of a lotsimpler than Linux, and I don't care to
have to learn the insane Apple OS

Any recent good quality mobo supports recent Windows and Linux.
I went with ASUS for my last 5-6 builds, but that's just personal
preference based on my experience with them.
Others I've used are Gigabyte, Intel, Micronics, Abit, blah, blah.
All were good.
I've had no issues with Windows 10.
Having driver problems just means you're dealing with antiquated
peripherals. This stuff is so cheap nowadays it shouldn't be an
issue.
The jump from 16-bit to 32-bit software was a bigger issue. Mainly
because of bad or no data conversion software. Sometimes it was
tedious to do.

Terry Coombs news 04 May 2017 20:29:03 GMT in alt.home.repair, wrote:

Exactly what do you recommend then ?

Do whatever pleases you. I have no right to tell you how to use your
computer. Sure, I can offer advice, but, if you won't put it to good
use, what's the point. At the end of the day, it's not my computer.

You criticized me for installing Win7

Not exactly. I commented on the money you were wasting, because, you
were only delaying the inevitable. MS doesn't want you running
anything other than Windows 10. They've already taken drastic steps
to make life difficult for previous flavors of Windows, depending on
the hardware you're running. I predict, that's going to get more
interesting as time passes, too. At some point, the sheeple who went
for Windows 10 will find out a subscription service was in the works
the entire time. You'll likely have two choices. Pay a fee, every so
often, or accept advertising as some have already experienced on
Windows 10. MS isn't in the business of free software. Somebodies
gotta cover those salaries.

And since the PC market isn't what it used to be, the sheeple will be
picking up the slack.

you don't like 10

No, I don't. For reasons I've already stated. So, no point in
rehashing them.

what are we all supposed to do , jump over to Linux OS's ?

Nope. Linux isn't for everyone. As I said, do whatever pleases you.
Don't worry about the consequences, You're destined to learn all
about them, later on. The hard way.


--
I would like to apologize for not having offended you yet.
Please be patient. I will get to you shortly.

philo news May 2017 20:42:18 GMT in alt.home.repair, wrote:

[snip]

I am not an OS zealot, I simply use whichever OS does the job
best.

Nor am I. If I were a zealot, I wouldn't have written apps that'll
run on a variety of different OSes. I would have forced you to run a
specific OS and/or specific version of said OS.

That is why I have Windows, OSX and Linux machines.

I don't have *any* OSX machines, myself. I can't justify the cost or
the lack of ability to take a hands on approach with them. I've never
been a fan of proprietary. It's why when I had the choice as a kid, I
went from coco3 to PC.

I mentioned that I have upgraded a number of Win7 machines to
Win10, but my wife's main machine which is used to to real work,
is staying with Win7.

So what are your plans when Windows 7 EOL comes and is no longer
supported? Just like XP. Are you going to fall for the scare
mongering, or, keep it and tell them to stick the scare mongering up
their preverbial arses? It is coming, you know. MS is already
shortcutting the official EOL time forcing some hardware to
intentionally not support it, via drivers and their on Update
package. See thread where a single MS dll has been patched to allow
the updates MS doesn't want you doing on Windows 8.1 and down.

It has worked flawlessly for years and it would not be worth
taking a gamble on Win10. There is zero chance anything would
would better.

Oh.. I see you've sought treatment then for the MS koolaid? It's
nasty stuff, so I'm told.


--
I would like to apologize for not having offended you yet.
Please be patient. I will get to you shortly.

philo news May 2017 20:38:50 GMT in alt.home.repair, wrote:

Never once had a BSOD and when I'd import XP drivers into Win2k
never a BSOD their either, but occasionally I'd have one that did
not work either

Alas, our experience differs by a wide margin too. You seem to be a
bit of a hobbyist. When you've serviced thousands of 'modern'
machines, get back to me.

[snip]

As I have stated on other posts my main OS is Linux.

Why might that be?

The main reason I was using Windows at all was to support the film
scanning function of my scanner. The utility provided by Epson
works absolutely great and the Linux drivers for the film scanning
function have more limitations.

I see...So why aren't you a Windows fanboy?

I could have purchased View Scan I suppose, but why spent money ?

Depends on your needs, I suppose.

One of the rare cases where using Windows was less expensive than
Linux




--
I would like to apologize for not having offended you yet.
Please be patient. I will get to you shortly.

philo news May 2017 20:58:23 GMT in alt.home.repair, wrote:

On 05/04/2017 03:45 PM, Oren wrote:
On Thu, 4 May 2017 15:29:03 -0500, Terry Coombs
wrote:

Sure, why not. Those who don't know any better are installing
Win10 like good sheeple.



Exactly what do you recommend then ? You criticized me for
installing
Win7 , you don't like 10 , what are we all supposed to do ,
jump over to Linux OS's ?

**** him. I do as I please and don't need advice from a do-gooder
bleeding heart liberal that thinks their way is the only way. If
he don't like it he can kiss my ass by cracky.




Yep!!!!

Awe...You think i'm a do gooder AND a liberal? Any other thoughts
about me you'd like to share? I find this most interesting.

Your opinions of me wouldn't have anything to do with the ****ing
contest you invited would it? I mean, you can't blame me for the
assumptions you erroneously made about me. I was honest with you, I
told you that BD mislead me about you, and, quite possibly yourself
concerning me. I can't help that, he's your online cyberpal, not
mine.



--
I would like to apologize for not having offended you yet.
Please be patient. I will get to you shortly.

Oren
Thu, 04 May 2017
20:45:34 GMT in alt.home.repair, wrote:

On Thu, 4 May 2017 15:29:03 -0500, Terry Coombs
wrote:

Sure, why not. Those who don't know any better are installing
Win10 like good sheeple.



Exactly what do you recommend then ? You criticized me for
installing
Win7 , you don't like 10 , what are we all supposed to do , jump
over to Linux OS's ?

**** him. I do as I please and don't need advice from a do-gooder
bleeding heart liberal that thinks their way is the only way. If
he don't like it he can kiss my ass by cracky.


ROFL. I think nothing of the sort. I don't even know the definitions
for liberal, republican, democrat, etc. None of them are in touch with
the real world, imho. I don't know how you could justify the do gooder
comment, either. My known background certainly wouldn't support the
opinion.




--
I would like to apologize for not having offended you yet.
Please be patient. I will get to you shortly.

philo news 2017 20:34:07 GMT in alt.home.repair, wrote:

[snip]

I did not try that but to make things clear, the mobo I had
specifically did not have USB-2 or USB-3 drivers.

Which means likely didn't have hardware for those type of ports present
on it. Which means, no drivers. I use the word likely intentionally,
btw. I have seen boards that infact did have the required hardware,
but, at the time of shipment, didn't have drivers for the newer stuff
and resorted to older drivers, instead. Better to have slower running
ports than dead ones, right?

That's hands on experience for you. *shrug*


I did put in a PCIe card with Win7 drivers, so that would have
been a good work-around but decided to just go with Win10...
not a big deal and I built the machine more for experimenting with
Win10 than anything else. I may just end up selling the machine
for cost.

Atleast let them know it has Windows 10 already installed, if you're
going to sell it that way. It would be nice of you to explain the
pitfalls of using Windows 10, as well. But, I can understand if you'd
rather not tell them. It's like being super honest with a used car you
want to sell.



--
I would like to apologize for not having offended you yet.
Please be patient. I will get to you shortly.

On 05/04/2017 07:40 PM, Diesel wrote:
philo news 2017 20:34:07 GMT in alt.home.repair, wrote:

[snip]

I did not try that but to make things clear, the mobo I had
specifically did not have USB-2 or USB-3 drivers.

Which means likely didn't have hardware for those type of ports present
on it. Which means, no drivers. I use the word likely intentionally,
btw. I have seen boards that infact did have the required hardware,
but, at the time of shipment, didn't have drivers for the newer stuff
and resorted to older drivers, instead. Better to have slower running
ports than dead ones, right?


Wrong

There are not going to be drivers for Win7 for that board...at least not
from the mfg.

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...82E16813157729

My friend who used to write drivers for a living told me he could do
it....if he gets PAID



Atleast let them know it has Windows 10 already installed, if you're
going to sell it that way. It would be nice of you to explain the
pitfalls of using Windows 10, as well. But, I can understand if you'd
rather not tell them. It's like being super honest with a used car you
want to sell.





I am very honest , to the point where most of the work I do , if I get
paid at all, I get grossly underpaid. Mostly I do it because I like
doing it.

In a few hours some guy is coming over and I told him I'd fix he machine
free. He was trying to upgrade it (he did not specify what)
and could not figure out how to connect the cables.
Might be as simple as an SATA cable off or it might be a big mess.


Some of the people I deal with are pretty clueless...
They often doing even knwo what operating system they are using , when I
ask them. If I'm lucky they will say "Windows."


Now on to the good stuff:

A month ago someone have me a combination AM radio/ record player from
the 1950's...it's built into an end table.

I recently got around to checking it out and I got to watch the 5Y3
rectifier's plates melt down!

I quickly turned it off and assumed one of the filter capacitors was
shorted.

So much work went into the cabinetry and none went into serviceability
but I got the chassis on my workbench and all the capacitors were good.

To properly restore the radio, the capacitors would have to be replaced,
but I am not going to bother to restore it. I have a friend who does
that type of thing and I will give him the unit it he wants it.


Since all checked out OK, I then figured that the tube might have gotten
damaged in transit and it might have been nothing more than the filament
troubling the plates.

I had a spare 5Y3 in the attic but to test the radio on the bench I
needed to pull the speaker.

The speaker was one of those with a voice coil. It also had the audio
transformer attached, so I really needed to pull it out rather than use
a standard permanent magnet speaker.

The speaker was in a sealed compartment and a major PITA to remove...but
the radio works....so I put it all mostly together and hope the hell I
can get it out of my basement.

If my buddy does not want it, I may sell the green, electric eye tube on
eBay and just toss it.

On 05/04/2017 07:40 PM, Diesel wrote:
philo news May 2017 20:38:50 GMT in alt.home.repair, wrote:

Never once had a BSOD and when I'd import XP drivers into Win2k
never a BSOD their either, but occasionally I'd have one that did
not work either

Alas, our experience differs by a wide margin too. You seem to be a
bit of a hobbyist. When you've serviced thousands of 'modern'
machines, get back to me.

Even though my own machines are ancient, the ones I work on for friends
are typically new.
Some of the people I deal with are gamers and have to have the latest
and greatest.

I've looked at some of those games, and other than visual effects,
graphics and sound, seem to be little different from those old DOS
games. LOL


Until Win10 came out, most of my more recent jobs were on Win8 machines
and confused owners. Once I put on Classic Shell, the folks stopped
crying. (One woman literally came over in tears because she could not
use her new computer.)

I have probably repaired more machines that you have...I don't know...
but I literally have repaired or built thousands of machines.
I've been doing this for about 17 years and at one time had two or three
machines on the the bench at a time.

FWIW: Thanks to getting surplus equipment from work, I have all on one
of several UPS...industrial grade.

Here are the batteries from my main UPS

https://www.dropbox.com/s/p7n6ywpqi6...ttery.jpg?dl=0

More than 24 hours of backup.

BTW, as long as I have my Dropbox folder open, here is HALF the battery
room from one of my customers


https://www.dropbox.com/s/gn195f6etq..._room.JPG?dl=0


[snip]

As I have stated on other posts my main OS is Linux.

Why might that be?

I like Linux and it sure performs better than Windows on my very modest H/W.



The main reason I was using Windows at all was to support the film
scanning function of my scanner. The utility provided by Epson
works absolutely great and the Linux drivers for the film scanning
function have more limitations.

I see...So why aren't you a Windows fanboy?


No. I use Windows mainly so I can gain familiarity and therefore
intelligently help others.

I keep a number of versions of Windows in Virtual machines so I can give
people step by step instructions over the phone.

Win8 for example, I have not bare hardware installation.

I could have purchased View Scan I suppose, but why spent money ?

Depends on your needs, I suppose.

One of the rare cases where using Windows was less expensive than
Linux

On 05/05/2017 10:55, philo wrote:
On 05/04/2017 07:40 PM, Diesel wrote:
philo news 2017 20:34:07 GMT in alt.home.repair, wrote:

[snip]

I did not try that but to make things clear, the mobo I had
specifically did not have USB-2 or USB-3 drivers.

Which means likely didn't have hardware for those type of ports present
on it. Which means, no drivers. I use the word likely intentionally,
btw. I have seen boards that infact did have the required hardware,
but, at the time of shipment, didn't have drivers for the newer stuff
and resorted to older drivers, instead. Better to have slower running
ports than dead ones, right?


Wrong

There are not going to be drivers for Win7 for that board...at least not
from the mfg.

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...82E16813157729

My friend who used to write drivers for a living told me he could do
it....if he gets PAID



Atleast let them know it has Windows 10 already installed, if you're
going to sell it that way. It would be nice of you to explain the
pitfalls of using Windows 10, as well. But, I can understand if you'd
rather not tell them. It's like being super honest with a used car you
want to sell.





I am very honest , to the point where most of the work I do , if I get
paid at all, I get grossly underpaid. Mostly I do it because I like
doing it.

In a few hours some guy is coming over and I told him I'd fix he machine
free. He was trying to upgrade it (he did not specify what)
and could not figure out how to connect the cables.
Might be as simple as an SATA cable off or it might be a big mess.


Some of the people I deal with are pretty clueless...
They often doing even knwo what operating system they are using , when I
ask them. If I'm lucky they will say "Windows."


Now on to the good stuff:

A month ago someone have me a combination AM radio/ record player from
the 1950's...it's built into an end table.

I recently got around to checking it out and I got to watch the 5Y3
rectifier's plates melt down!

I quickly turned it off and assumed one of the filter capacitors was
shorted.

So much work went into the cabinetry and none went into serviceability
but I got the chassis on my workbench and all the capacitors were good.

To properly restore the radio, the capacitors would have to be replaced,
but I am not going to bother to restore it. I have a friend who does
that type of thing and I will give him the unit it he wants it.


Since all checked out OK, I then figured that the tube might have gotten
damaged in transit and it might have been nothing more than the filament
troubling the plates.

I had a spare 5Y3 in the attic but to test the radio on the bench I
needed to pull the speaker.

The speaker was one of those with a voice coil. It also had the audio
transformer attached, so I really needed to pull it out rather than use
a standard permanent magnet speaker.

The speaker was in a sealed compartment and a major PITA to remove...but
the radio works....so I put it all mostly together and hope the hell I
can get it out of my basement.

If my buddy does not want it, I may sell the green, electric eye tube on
eBay and just toss it.


I really enjoy your tales of woe, Philo! ;-)

I KNOW you are honest .. but have you REALLY got a degree in Psychology?

--
The only people who make a difference are the people who believe they can.

On 05/05/2017 11:12, philo wrote:
I have probably repaired more machines that you have...I don't know...
but I literally have repaired or built thousands of machines.
I've been doing this for about 17 years and at one time had two or three
machines on the the bench at a time.

Now you are just teasing the poor boy! ;-)

--
"Do something wonderful, people may imitate it." (Albert Schweitzer)

On Fri, 5 May 2017 00:40:20 -0000 (UTC)
Diesel wrote:

When you've serviced thousands of 'modern'
machines, get back to me.

Why you have not done that?

On Fri, 5 May 2017 14:36:02 +0100
"David B." wrote:

From: "David B."


Are you really a "bad guy" "hunter".

Hard to believe since you have never caused any to be
caught, arrested and sent to prison.

On Fri, 5 May 2017 05:12:49 -0500, philo wrote:

On 05/04/2017 07:40 PM, Diesel wrote:
philo news May 2017 20:38:50 GMT in alt.home.repair, wrote:

Never once had a BSOD and when I'd import XP drivers into Win2k
never a BSOD their either, but occasionally I'd have one that did
not work either

Alas, our experience differs by a wide margin too. You seem to be a
bit of a hobbyist. When you've serviced thousands of 'modern'
machines, get back to me.

Even though my own machines are ancient, the ones I work on for friends
are typically new.
Some of the people I deal with are gamers and have to have the latest
and greatest.

I've looked at some of those games, and other than visual effects,
graphics and sound, seem to be little different from those old DOS
games. LOL


Until Win10 came out, most of my more recent jobs were on Win8 machines
and confused owners. Once I put on Classic Shell, the folks stopped
crying. (One woman literally came over in tears because she could not
use her new computer.)

I have probably repaired more machines that you have...I don't know...
but I literally have repaired or built thousands of machines.
I've been doing this for about 17 years and at one time had two or three
machines on the the bench at a time.

FWIW: Thanks to getting surplus equipment from work, I have all on one
of several UPS...industrial grade.

Here are the batteries from my main UPS

https://www.dropbox.com/s/p7n6ywpqi6...ttery.jpg?dl=0

Now for a UPS battery bank that is JUST PLAIN SCARY. Get some proper
connection cables on that thing!!! And ballance you banks, for crying
out loud!! Your series-parallel connections with an odd number of
mismatched batteries is ridiculous.

What are you charging it with? and what kind of UPS is it? How long
does it take to recover after a power outage? It appears to be a 24
volt system - my small one is 48 volts and the big one is 60 volts.
(Powerware Prestige EXT) Both are dual conversion.

The little one on my wife's system is a 24, and the one backing up my
internet modem and VOIP is a 12. Each of my TV cable boxes/pvrs are on
their own UPS as well.

They are all good for about half an hour, but for long-term outages
the natural gas option on my generator provides for virtually
unlimited run-time.

More than 24 hours of backup.

BTW, as long as I have my Dropbox folder open, here is HALF the battery
room from one of my customers


https://www.dropbox.com/s/gn195f6etq..._room.JPG?dl=0


[snip]

As I have stated on other posts my main OS is Linux.

Why might that be?

I like Linux and it sure performs better than Windows on my very modest H/W.



The main reason I was using Windows at all was to support the film
scanning function of my scanner. The utility provided by Epson
works absolutely great and the Linux drivers for the film scanning
function have more limitations.

I see...So why aren't you a Windows fanboy?


No. I use Windows mainly so I can gain familiarity and therefore
intelligently help others.

I keep a number of versions of Windows in Virtual machines so I can give
people step by step instructions over the phone.

Win8 for example, I have not bare hardware installation.

I could have purchased View Scan I suppose, but why spent money ?

Depends on your needs, I suppose.

One of the rare cases where using Windows was less expensive than
Linux

On 05/05/2017 08:36 AM, David B. wrote:

snip


I really enjoy your tales of woe, Philo! ;-)

I KNOW you are honest .. but have you REALLY got a degree in Psychology?

Yes, but it's just a Bachelor's degree, I am not a shrink.

I know quite a few and they really are crazy.

My history is this:

In 1967 I started out at Milwaukee School of Engineering and majored in EE.

I was a pretty well behaved kid but in college spent too much time
drinking and socializing. The US Army drafted me in 1969 on the grounds
that I was not a serious student. I started an appeal but then decided
to just get it over with and go into the Army.

I got very interested in Psychology and when I got out I enrolled in the
University of Wisconsin, Milwaukee and decided to get a degree in
Psychology which I did. I then realized that a Bachelor's degree would
get me no where and I was not PHD material.

Since I was a veteran and entitled to five years of college under the GI
bill, I stayed in school and completed the requirements for a degree in
EE...or least I thought I did.

There were four courses from MSOE that did not transfer and I would have
had to re-take them or the UWM equivalent...but by that time the GI bill
had run out and I needed a job.

I had no trouble getting a job as a tech at a small company and they
said they would pay for my college .

Though over the next four years I did take more classes, I got more of
an education on the job. My boss was a former aerospace engineer and was
on the Apollo design team and gave me a better training than I would
have gotten in school.

Eventually they gave me the service engineer based on experience and I
never did get the degree.


BTW: Why was a former aerospace engineer working for a battery company?

This was before we were bought out and became a large multi-national
corporation.

My boss's brother was one of the owners of the company and gave him a
gravy job. Once the moon launch was achieved, thousands of engineers
lost their jobs and he was just happy to be employed again/

On 05/05/2017 05:12 AM, philo wrote:
On 05/04/2017 07:40 PM, Diesel wrote:
philo news May 2017 20:38:50 GMT in alt.home.repair, wrote:

Never once had a BSOD and when I'd import XP drivers into Win2k
never a BSOD their either, but occasionally I'd have one that did
not work either

Alas, our experience differs by a wide margin too. You seem to be a
bit of a hobbyist. When you've serviced thousands of 'modern'
machines, get back to me.

Even though my own machines are ancient, the ones I work on for friends
are typically new.
Some of the people I deal with are gamers and have to have the latest
and greatest.

I've looked at some of those games, and other than visual effects,
graphics and sound, seem to be little different from those old DOS
games. LOL


Until Win10 came out, most of my more recent jobs were on Win8 machines
and confused owners. Once I put on Classic Shell, the folks stopped
crying. (One woman literally came over in tears because she could not
use her new computer.)

I have probably repaired more machines that you have...I don't know...
but I literally have repaired or built thousands of machines.
I've been doing this for about 17 years and at one time had two or three
machines on the the bench at a time.

FWIW: Thanks to getting surplus equipment from work, I have all on one
of several UPS...industrial grade.

Here are the batteries from my main UPS

https://www.dropbox.com/s/p7n6ywpqi6...ttery.jpg?dl=0

More than 24 hours of backup.

BTW, as long as I have my Dropbox folder open, here is HALF the battery
room from one of my customers


https://www.dropbox.com/s/gn195f6etq..._room.JPG?dl=0







BD: I saw your question of Drop Box, those are forklift batteries and
there is a battery extractor machine for removing them from the trucks
and putting them on the racks and visa-versa.

The ones you see are not the largest there are.

Some batteries weigh as much as 4000# and require an overhead crane to
handle them

On Fri, 5 May 2017 14:41:06 +0100, "David B."
wrote:

On 05/05/2017 11:12, philo wrote:
I have probably repaired more machines that you have...I don't know...
but I literally have repaired or built thousands of machines.
I've been doing this for about 17 years and at one time had two or three
machines on the the bench at a time.

Now you are just teasing the poor boy! ;-)
At one time I had upwards of 30 systems on my bench at one time.
We shipped sometimes 150 a week. Thankfully while I was with the
company we didn't have to repair too many (well, one is too many when
you put a 3 year warranty on the systems (we are talking 25 years ago)
-
I used to do some "board level" repairs back in the day when it
actually made sense (and dollars) to do that.I wouldn't attempt it
today (for one thing my eyes are not up to it any more - and second,
I've likely forgotten more than a lot of guys today know.)

On 05/04/2017 07:40 PM, Diesel wrote:
philo news May 2017 20:42:18 GMT in alt.home.repair, wrote:

[snip]

I am not an OS zealot, I simply use whichever OS does the job
best.

Nor am I. If I were a zealot, I wouldn't have written apps that'll
run on a variety of different OSes. I would have forced you to run a
specific OS and/or specific version of said OS.

That is why I have Windows, OSX and Linux machines.

I don't have *any* OSX machines, myself. I can't justify the cost or
the lack of ability to take a hands on approach with them. I've never
been a fan of proprietary. It's why when I had the choice as a kid, I
went from coco3 to PC.



Bought a few Macs for $60 each quite a while back.

I wanted to try a Lytro and OSX was the only supported OS at the time

I mentioned that I have upgraded a number of Win7 machines to
Win10, but my wife's main machine which is used to to real work,
is staying with Win7.

So what are your plans when Windows 7 EOL comes and is no longer
supported?

At that time I may either upgrade the machine or have my wife not use it
on-line.

I might even upgrade the thing when she is between projects or perhaps
pull the drive and perform a test install on a spare drive

Just like XP. Are you going to fall for the scare
mongering, or, keep it and tell them to stick the scare mongering up
their preverbial arses? It is coming, you know. MS is already
shortcutting the official EOL time forcing some hardware to
intentionally not support it, via drivers and their on Update
package. See thread where a single MS dll has been patched to allow
the updates MS doesn't want you doing on Windows 8.1 and down.

It has worked flawlessly for years and it would not be worth
taking a gamble on Win10. There is zero chance anything would
would better.

Oh.. I see you've sought treatment then for the MS koolaid? It's
nasty stuff, so I'm told.

On 05/05/2017 11:36 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 5 May 2017 05:12:49 -0500, philo wrote:

On 05/04/2017 07:40 PM, Diesel wrote:
philo news May 2017 20:38:50 GMT in alt.home.repair, wrote:

Never once had a BSOD and when I'd import XP drivers into Win2k
never a BSOD their either, but occasionally I'd have one that did
not work either

Alas, our experience differs by a wide margin too. You seem to be a
bit of a hobbyist. When you've serviced thousands of 'modern'
machines, get back to me.

Even though my own machines are ancient, the ones I work on for friends
are typically new.
Some of the people I deal with are gamers and have to have the latest
and greatest.

I've looked at some of those games, and other than visual effects,
graphics and sound, seem to be little different from those old DOS
games. LOL


Until Win10 came out, most of my more recent jobs were on Win8 machines
and confused owners. Once I put on Classic Shell, the folks stopped
crying. (One woman literally came over in tears because she could not
use her new computer.)

I have probably repaired more machines that you have...I don't know...
but I literally have repaired or built thousands of machines.
I've been doing this for about 17 years and at one time had two or three
machines on the the bench at a time.

FWIW: Thanks to getting surplus equipment from work, I have all on one
of several UPS...industrial grade.

Here are the batteries from my main UPS

https://www.dropbox.com/s/p7n6ywpqi6...ttery.jpg?dl=0

Now for a UPS battery bank that is JUST PLAIN SCARY. Get some proper
connection cables on that thing!!! And ballance you banks, for crying
out loud!! Your series-parallel connections with an odd number of
mismatched batteries is ridiculous.



That's and old photo , so that particular setup was retired


however...it was a 12v system and all those batteries were in parallel.


In parallel the battery ampere-hours do not have to match but in this
case they did. That said, all the amp. hours of the batteries were the
same...just different manufacturers.

I probably had seven days of backup power there and if I ever would have
discharged them I would have had to use an auxiliary charger.


In my workshop I now have one, 48V UPS and a 24V UPS

The batteries even match. All in all I have a total of five UPS systems
installed.


Since I have some lights on the UPS too, most of the time we have a
power failure I never even notice .

It is very rare to have a power failure more than a few hours, but we
once had one 24 hours, I operated my computer as much as I wanted, but
did have to go out for coffee.



What are you charging it with? and what kind of UPS is it? How long
does it take to recover after a power outage? It appears to be a 24
volt system - my small one is 48 volts and the big one is 60 volts.
(Powerware Prestige EXT) Both are dual conversion.


The one in the photo was manufactured by Best, now out of business.

It used a ferroresonant transformer so even though it was a single
conversion there was not one instant of drop out.


The only dual conversion UPS Ihad bit the dust about a year ago....it
was quite ancient.

The little one on my wife's system is a 24, and the one backing up my
internet modem and VOIP is a 12. Each of my TV cable boxes/pvrs are on
their own UPS as well.

They are all good for about half an hour, but for long-term outages
the natural gas option on my generator provides for virtually
unlimited run-time.



No generator here, the one 24 hour failure we had was an very odd situation

On 05/05/2017 18:09, philo wrote:
On 05/05/2017 08:36 AM, David B. wrote:

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I really enjoy your tales of woe, Philo! ;-)

I KNOW you are honest .. but have you REALLY got a degree in Psychology?

Yes, but it's just a Bachelor's degree, I am not a shrink.

I know quite a few and they really are crazy.

My history is this:

In 1967 I started out at Milwaukee School of Engineering and majored in EE.

I was a pretty well behaved kid but in college spent too much time
drinking and socializing. The US Army drafted me in 1969 on the grounds
that I was not a serious student. I started an appeal but then decided
to just get it over with and go into the Army.

I got very interested in Psychology and when I got out I enrolled in the
University of Wisconsin, Milwaukee and decided to get a degree in
Psychology which I did. I then realized that a Bachelor's degree would
get me no where and I was not PHD material.

Since I was a veteran and entitled to five years of college under the GI
bill, I stayed in school and completed the requirements for a degree in
EE...or least I thought I did.

There were four courses from MSOE that did not transfer and I would have
had to re-take them or the UWM equivalent...but by that time the GI bill
had run out and I needed a job.

I had no trouble getting a job as a tech at a small company and they
said they would pay for my college .

Though over the next four years I did take more classes, I got more of
an education on the job. My boss was a former aerospace engineer and was
on the Apollo design team and gave me a better training than I would
have gotten in school.

Eventually they gave me the service engineer based on experience and I
never did get the degree.


BTW: Why was a former aerospace engineer working for a battery company?

This was before we were bought out and became a large multi-national
corporation.

My boss's brother was one of the owners of the company and gave him a
gravy job. Once the moon launch was achieved, thousands of engineers
lost their jobs and he was just happy to be employed again/


Whatever, it's good to have you as a friend! :-D


--
The only people who make a difference are the people who believe they can.

On 05/05/2017 02:12 PM, David B. wrote:
was just happy to be employed again/


Whatever, it's good to have you as a friend! :-D



Ditto

On 05/05/2017 18:13, philo wrote:
On 05/05/2017 05:12 AM, philo wrote:
On 05/04/2017 07:40 PM, Diesel wrote:
philo news May 2017 20:38:50 GMT in alt.home.repair, wrote:

Never once had a BSOD and when I'd import XP drivers into Win2k
never a BSOD their either, but occasionally I'd have one that did
not work either

Alas, our experience differs by a wide margin too. You seem to be a
bit of a hobbyist. When you've serviced thousands of 'modern'
machines, get back to me.

Even though my own machines are ancient, the ones I work on for friends
are typically new.
Some of the people I deal with are gamers and have to have the latest
and greatest.

I've looked at some of those games, and other than visual effects,
graphics and sound, seem to be little different from those old DOS
games. LOL


Until Win10 came out, most of my more recent jobs were on Win8 machines
and confused owners. Once I put on Classic Shell, the folks stopped
crying. (One woman literally came over in tears because she could not
use her new computer.)

I have probably repaired more machines that you have...I don't know...
but I literally have repaired or built thousands of machines.
I've been doing this for about 17 years and at one time had two or three
machines on the the bench at a time.

FWIW: Thanks to getting surplus equipment from work, I have all on one
of several UPS...industrial grade.

Here are the batteries from my main UPS

https://www.dropbox.com/s/p7n6ywpqi6...ttery.jpg?dl=0

More than 24 hours of backup.

BTW, as long as I have my Dropbox folder open, here is HALF the battery
room from one of my customers


https://www.dropbox.com/s/gn195f6etq..._room.JPG?dl=0

BD: I saw your question of Drop Box, those are forklift batteries and
there is a battery extractor machine for removing them from the trucks
and putting them on the racks and visa-versa.

The ones you see are not the largest there are.

Some batteries weigh as much as 4000# and require an overhead crane to
handle them

I have never seen anything like them.

Thanks for sharing, Philo.

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"Do something wonderful, people may imitate it." (Albert Schweitzer)