On Sun, 13 Mar 2016 23:02:45 -0400, Stormin Mormon
wrote:

On 3/13/2016 7:45 PM, SeaNymph wrote:
On 3/13/2016 5:44 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 13 Mar 2016 16:23:46 -0500, SeaNymph
wrote:


1) Please trim excess trailing text
2) Please change subject line as the subject changes
Newsgroup Nazi is generally one of the worst.

Pot Kettle Black.

On Sunday, March 13, 2016 at 11:07:13 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Sun, 13 Mar 2016 23:02:45 -0400, Stormin Mormon
wrote:

On 3/13/2016 7:45 PM, SeaNymph wrote:
On 3/13/2016 5:44 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 13 Mar 2016 16:23:46 -0500, SeaNymph
wrote:


1) Please trim excess trailing text
2) Please change subject line as the subject changes
Newsgroup Nazi is generally one of the worst.

Pot Kettle Black.

PKB AKA PITA

On Sun, 13 Mar 2016 18:41:50 -0000, "Mr Macaw" wrote:

The problem is when there is more than one circuit in the box or when
people assume all white wires (neutral here) will be grounded. If you
open up that wire nut only one of those wires with be ground, the
others may be at full line voltage through the connected load.

Firstly, why on earth would you have more than one lighting circuit? Secondly, if you do, simply use a multimeter!


They tend to use the large ceiling boxes as junction boxes and there
may be a number of circuits radiating from there. We don't have loops.

The other problem is, as long as all the neutral wires are connected,
it will be near or close to 0 volts. It is when you open that circuit
that you see line voltages through connected loads.

On Sun, 13 Mar 2016 18:49:44 -0000, "Mr Macaw" wrote:

On Sun, 13 Mar 2016 18:42:21 -0000, wrote:

On Sun, 13 Mar 2016 18:08:03 -0000, "Mr Macaw" wrote:

You have guns BECAUSE you're scared.

We have guns because we can. The thing a lot of people do not
understand is there is a very active shooting sport community here.
Beyond hunting we also have skeet, trap, sporting clays and a number
of different target sports. That is where most of the billions of
rounds of ammo that get fired here are used. It is just not worthy of
putting on CNN.

This is simply another country with another culture. You are 3000
miles away, I think you will be safe if you stay there.

We shoot for sport, but we don't carry the ****ing things about with us in the street. What on earth makes you think you have the right to kill anyone you please? At any point you could lose your temper, take the gun out of your pocket and kill someone stood in front of you. And don't say you wouldn't, because there are plenty people who would.

Most of the concealed carry license procedure is taking training that
tells you that you are not allowed to shoot people.
There is a very limited number of circumstances where you are even
allowed to expose your gun and even fewer where you can shoot.

The reality is, there have been very few people with the license who
have shot someone when they were not justified ... including
Zimmerman, who got all of that publicity. He was actually charged in a
politically motivated kangaroo court and acquitted of all charges.

Training doesn't stop someone. If you wanted to kill some people, you just need to go get a license, carry a concealed weapon, then go kill folk. Someone you hate, a whole group of people you hate, or just anyone if you're a mass murderer.

Why would you jump through the hoops to get a license if you are just
going out to commit crimes?

On Sun, 13 Mar 2016 18:45:09 -0500, SeaNymph
wrote:

The hawks eat the little buggers every year and
I'm okay with that.

Here is a red tailed hawk eating a squirrel in my yard

http://gfretwell.com/wildlife/hawk.jpg
http://gfretwell.com/wildlife/Hawk%2...g%20dinner.jpg
http://gfretwell.com/wildlife/hawk_eye_2.jpg

On 03/13/2016 09:02 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:


1) Please trim excess trailing text
2) Please change subject line as the subject changes
Yah, dam squirrels around here take a thread off-topic within 6 replies.

On 3/14/2016 12:24 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 13 Mar 2016 18:49:44 -0000, "Mr Macaw" wrote:

The reality is, there have been very few people with the license who
have shot someone when they were not justified ... including
Zimmerman, who got all of that publicity. He was actually charged in a
politically motivated kangaroo court and acquitted of all charges.

Training doesn't stop someone. If you wanted to kill some people, you just need to go get a license, carry a concealed weapon, then go kill folk. Someone you hate, a whole group of people you hate, or just anyone if you're a mass murderer.

Why would you jump through the hoops to get a license if you are just
going out to commit crimes?


This belongs in the "guns in America" thread,
not the Square D panel thread.

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On 3/14/2016 12:48 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 13 Mar 2016 18:45:09 -0500, SeaNymph
wrote:

The hawks eat the little buggers every year and
I'm okay with that.

Here is a red tailed hawk eating a squirrel in my yard

http://gfretwell.com/wildlife/hawk.jpg
http://gfretwell.com/wildlife/Hawk%2...g%20dinner.jpg
http://gfretwell.com/wildlife/hawk_eye_2.jpg



See how easy that was to change the subject line?

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On 3/13/2016 11:48 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 13 Mar 2016 18:45:09 -0500, SeaNymph
wrote:

The hawks eat the little buggers every year and
I'm okay with that.

Here is a red tailed hawk eating a squirrel in my yard

http://gfretwell.com/wildlife/hawk.jpg
http://gfretwell.com/wildlife/Hawk%2...g%20dinner.jpg
http://gfretwell.com/wildlife/hawk_eye_2.jpg


Great photos, and good for the hawk!

On Monday, March 14, 2016 at 8:00:36 AM UTC-4, Stormin Mormon wrote:
On 3/14/2016 12:48 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 13 Mar 2016 18:45:09 -0500, SeaNymph
wrote:

The hawks eat the little buggers every year and
I'm okay with that.

Here is a red tailed hawk eating a squirrel in my yard

http://gfretwell.com/wildlife/hawk.jpg
http://gfretwell.com/wildlife/Hawk%2...g%20dinner.jpg
http://gfretwell.com/wildlife/hawk_eye_2.jpg



See how easy that was to change the subject line?

....and yet your post is still right here in the "Square D electrical
panel question" thread, under the original subject line. I see no
difference until I actually read your post so in my case, your "new"
subject line is just extraneous text in the post itself.

It didn't change anything, other than add some extra words to the post.

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Subject: G Fretwell's squirrel in the yard
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2016 07:38:12 -0700 (PDT)
From: DerbyDad03
Newsgroups: alt.home.repair
References:












On 3/14/2016 10:38 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Monday, March 14, 2016 at 8:00:36 AM UTC-4, Stormin Mormon wrote:
On 3/14/2016 12:48 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 13 Mar 2016 18:45:09 -0500, SeaNymph
wrote:

The hawks eat the little buggers every year and
I'm okay with that.

Here is a red tailed hawk eating a squirrel in my yard

http://gfretwell.com/wildlife/hawk.jpg
http://gfretwell.com/wildlife/Hawk%2...g%20dinner.jpg
http://gfretwell.com/wildlife/hawk_eye_2.jpg



See how easy that was to change the subject line?

...and yet your post is still right here in the "Square D electrical
panel question" thread, under the original subject line. I see no
difference until I actually read your post so in my case, your "new"
subject line is just extraneous text in the post itself.

It didn't change anything, other than add some extra words to the post.


subject line is change on my computer.

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On 3/13/2016 11:48 PM, wrote:

Here is a red tailed hawk eating a squirrel in my yard

http://gfretwell.com/wildlife/hawk.jpg
http://gfretwell.com/wildlife/Hawk%2...g%20dinner.jpg
http://gfretwell.com/wildlife/hawk_eye_2.jpg



Nice photos!

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On Monday, March 14, 2016 at 10:55:08 AM UTC-4, Stormin Mormon wrote:
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Subject: G Fretwell's squirrel in the yard
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2016 07:38:12 -0700 (PDT)
From: DerbyDad03
Newsgroups: alt.home.repair
References:












On 3/14/2016 10:38 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Monday, March 14, 2016 at 8:00:36 AM UTC-4, Stormin Mormon wrote:
On 3/14/2016 12:48 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 13 Mar 2016 18:45:09 -0500, SeaNymph
wrote:

The hawks eat the little buggers every year and
I'm okay with that.

Here is a red tailed hawk eating a squirrel in my yard

http://gfretwell.com/wildlife/hawk.jpg
http://gfretwell.com/wildlife/Hawk%2...g%20dinner.jpg
http://gfretwell.com/wildlife/hawk_eye_2.jpg



See how easy that was to change the subject line?

...and yet your post is still right here in the "Square D electrical
panel question" thread, under the original subject line. I see no
difference until I actually read your post so in my case, your "new"
subject line is just extraneous text in the post itself.

It didn't change anything, other than add some extra words to the post.


subject line is change on my computer.


Then you must be happy since that is what you wanted.

Good for you!

On Fri, 11 Mar 2016 00:36:32 -0000, wrote:

On Thu, 10 Mar 2016 20:09:14 -0000, "Mr Macaw" wrote:

What is this fuss about ground and neutral? They are one and the same here. Neutral is strapped to ground at the transformer.

You have superconductors there? Cool. Here we have voltage drop on our
conductors and the farther you get from the place where the neutral is
bonded, the higher the voltage is on the neutral.

Yeah, it could be something dangerous like 2 volts :-) The wire coming to my house is 300 amps. That thing won't drop much voltage.

Think about it, say it dropped enough to give you a shock (I believe you need 30 volts to even make you feel it) that would mean I'd have 30 volts on neutral with reference to ground. So the voltage drop on the live would be the same. That would mean I'd have 200 volts and 30 volts, a PD of 170 volts. Now they're required by law to provide me with 230 volts +10%/-8%, so anything under 211.6 volts is no good (some equipment wouldn't work, bulbs would be dim etc). 170 is a lot less than 211.6.

I have actually tested the voltage under high load conditions, and it never drops more than about 5 volts (it'll be an equal drop on both conductors) - so I could get a 2.5V shock off neutral - that's less than a lithium torch battery, which I can touch the ends off with wet hands and not even feel it.

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On Fri, 11 Mar 2016 01:07:57 -0000, wrote:

On Thu, 10 Mar 2016 23:33:48 -0000, "Mr Macaw" wrote:

Never happens in the UK, maybe you need more land mass?

You have that backward, your weather is very temperate because you
live on a fairly small island surrounded by water and no real
mountains. There is not much there to vary your weather.
It you just chose one state in the US, Arizona, (itself larger than
all of UK, including Ireland) you would have deserts where the
temperature is well over 50-55c and mountains 4 times the height of
your "Highlands" where -30-40c is not uncommon. When you have the jet
stream sweeping over a 3000 mile land mass, the weather is a lot more
variable than a place where the wind is coming across 3000 miles of
somewhat stable ocean water temperatures.
Then you get down where I am and the weather is tropical, a whole
different breed of cat. Hurricanes and tornadoes get most of the
attention but the typical summer thunderstorm still scares most
European tourists.
They tend not to be here in the summer tho. Tourist visas are only
good for 6 months and most choose the winter months.

I wasn't backward, you just misunderstood it as I was too brief. What I meant was "Storms like that never happen in the UK, maybe we need more land mass for severe weather?", not "You need more land mass to stop it happening".

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On Mon, 14 Mar 2016 10:55:06 -0400, Stormin Mormon
wrote:



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Subject: G Fretwell's squirrel in the yard
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2016 07:38:12 -0700 (PDT)
From: DerbyDad03
Newsgroups: alt.home.repair
References:












On 3/14/2016 10:38 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Monday, March 14, 2016 at 8:00:36 AM UTC-4, Stormin Mormon wrote:
On 3/14/2016 12:48 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 13 Mar 2016 18:45:09 -0500, SeaNymph
wrote:

The hawks eat the little buggers every year and
I'm okay with that.

Here is a red tailed hawk eating a squirrel in my yard

http://gfretwell.com/wildlife/hawk.jpg
http://gfretwell.com/wildlife/Hawk%2...g%20dinner.jpg
http://gfretwell.com/wildlife/hawk_eye_2.jpg



See how easy that was to change the subject line?

...and yet your post is still right here in the "Square D electrical
panel question" thread, under the original subject line. I see no
difference until I actually read your post so in my case, your "new"
subject line is just extraneous text in the post itself.

It didn't change anything, other than add some extra words to the post.


subject line is change on my computer.
You don't have any chevy's to break or service panels to miswire, or
air conditoners/furnaces to screw up?

Not sure what you are asking about explain ???

"Mr Macaw" wrote in message news
On Fri, 11 Mar 2016 00:36:32 -0000, wrote:

On Thu, 10 Mar 2016 20:09:14 -0000, "Mr Macaw" wrote:

What is this fuss about ground and neutral? They are one and the same
here. Neutral is strapped to ground at the transformer.

You have superconductors there? Cool. Here we have voltage drop on our
conductors and the farther you get from the place where the neutral is
bonded, the higher the voltage is on the neutral.

Yeah, it could be something dangerous like 2 volts :-) The wire coming to
my house is 300 amps. That thing won't drop much voltage.

Think about it, say it dropped enough to give you a shock (I believe you
need 30 volts to even make you feel it) that would mean I'd have 30 volts on
neutral with reference to ground. So the voltage drop on the live would be
the same. That would mean I'd have 200 volts and 30 volts, a PD of 170
volts. Now they're required by law to provide me with 230 volts +10%/-8%,
so anything under 211.6 volts is no good (some equipment wouldn't work,
bulbs would be dim etc). 170 is a lot less than 211.6.

I have actually tested the voltage under high load conditions, and it never
drops more than about 5 volts (it'll be an equal drop on both conductors) -
so I could get a 2.5V shock off neutral - that's less than a lithium torch
battery, which I can touch the ends off with wet hands and not even feel it.

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DerbyDad03 posted for all of us...



On Friday, March 4, 2016 at 5:33:48 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Fri, 4 Mar 2016 07:00:09 -0500, Stormin Mormon
wrote:

On 3/3/2016 11:47 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 3 Mar 2016 21:40:14 -0500, Stormin Mormon
wrote:

I noticed a friends's Square D panel, the
neutral and ground (from the utility company
feed) are connected to the same bar. And less
than an inch apart.

Shouldn't the ground be connected to the
separate ground bar?

Should I move the ground wire?

No if this is the service disconnect enclosure where the ground
electrode conductor lands and the main disconnect resides they will be
on the same bus bar.


The question is about the circuit breaker panel
in the cellar. There is a main breaker, but I'd
not call it a main disconnect.
In better than 90% of installations that main breaker IS the main
disconnect, and as far as the code is concerned unless it is a
sub-panel the original explanation is correct. Neutral is bonded to
ground.

Be a lot safer to leave it alone than to have micky playing around
with it anyway.

The question wasn't posed by Micky, it was posed by Stormin.

Oh man, put the FD on stand by.

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On 3/13/2016 11:09 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 13 Mar 2016 08:16:03 -0400, Stormin Mormon

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/crystal%20m...20Michigan.jpg


Nice to be able to stand cold, like that. Now
that I'm getting elderly, I need to bundle up.

Coming up on 70 here.


Western NY still in the 50s, daytime.

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On 15/03/2016 12:03, Stormin Mormon wrote:
On 3/13/2016 11:09 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 13 Mar 2016 08:16:03 -0400, Stormin Mormon

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/crystal%20m...20Michigan.jpg



Nice to be able to stand cold, like that. Now
that I'm getting elderly, I need to bundle up.

Coming up on 70 here.


Western NY still in the 50s, daytime.

Same here in Berkshire (20 miles west of London)

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On Tue, 15 Mar 2016 08:03:56 -0400, Stormin Mormon
wrote:

On 3/13/2016 11:09 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 13 Mar 2016 08:16:03 -0400, Stormin Mormon

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/crystal%20m...20Michigan.jpg


Nice to be able to stand cold, like that. Now
that I'm getting elderly, I need to bundle up.

Coming up on 70 here.


Western NY still in the 50s, daytime.

SW Florida is 85 in the day

On Sat, 12 Mar 2016 20:48:33 -0000, Mark Lloyd wrote:

On 03/12/2016 01:10 PM, Mr Macaw wrote:

[snip]

Nobody needs a coat. Humans are warm blooded.


Whenever I hear someone say "coat", it almost sounds like a dirty word.
The result of EXCESSIVE inappropriate "put on a coat" as a child.

It doesn't get very cold here, maybe below freezing occasionally. In the
fall stores are still full of coats that might be appropriate if you
walk around a lot in Alaska. And I suppose parents are still insisting
on kids wearing them.

I don't really know, but suspect many people lose a lot of their
body-heat-generating capacity as a result of wearing coats when they
shouldn't.

I don't think they've lost it at all, they've just become accustomed to being warm all the time. I bet if you took someone who never wears one, and someone who does, and placed them naked outside on a cold winter's day, neither would get colder first. One of them might moan about it more but that's all.

If I'm out on a cold day, someone might say "aren't you cold?!" and when I say no they might touch my arm and say I am. I'm the correct temperature inside, but I've removed heat from my skin to keep it inside. People seem to equate their skin temperature with their own temperature.

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On Sat, 12 Mar 2016 23:21:34 -0000, Sam E wrote:

On 03/12/2016 02:22 PM, Mr Macaw wrote:

[snip]

I tried to look up NEMA earlier, there seem to be about 10 different
sockets for different currents. Do you have them all in use?

There's a lot more, for different voltages including 125, 250, 277, 347,
480, and 600 volts with and without ground, and different currents.

And that's before you get to twist-lock and 3-phase wye and delta.

[snip]

How many are you likely to find in houses? (Including older houses and newer ones).

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On Sun, 13 Mar 2016 01:20:15 -0000, wrote:

On Sat, 12 Mar 2016 20:18:03 -0000, "Mr Macaw" wrote:

On Wed, 09 Mar 2016 21:29:23 -0000, wrote:

On Wed, 09 Mar 2016 20:45:49 -0000, "Mr Macaw" wrote:

On Sun, 06 Mar 2016 16:56:27 -0000, wrote:

On Sun, 06 Mar 2016 15:31:58 -0000, "Mr Macaw" wrote:

On Sun, 06 Mar 2016 15:27:28 -0000, Ralph Mowery wrote:


"Mr Macaw" wrote in message news .

What is an "ice storm"? Is that the same as a "hail storm"? Our
transformers never seem to break.


The ice storm is when the rain fall out of the sky and freezes on the power
lines and trees. It can build up to several inches in diameter. Often the
ice is more than the tree or some of the big limbs can stand and they break
and fall across the power lines. Sometimes could be called freezing rain.

Unlike hail that is already frozen and does not usually stick to the wires
and trees. Hail can be large enough to damage things but does not usually
take out the power lines.

That's very odd and seems to be against the laws of physics. If it's below freezing on the branches, how come it's above freezing higher up (where you'd expect it to be colder) causing rain and not hail?

The only time we get too much weight on branches is in colder parts (North Scotland) where SNOW falls on things. Snow has the ability to stick of course, and builds up.

This ice thing happens when the temp is hovering around 0c. the rain
mixed with snow (aka the dreaded "sleet and freezing rain")
accumulates on ice that is already there and freezes creating another
layer. It is just a strange thing that doesn't make as much sense as
you would like but seeing a CM coating of ice on anything that it
lands on makes it a reality. These things can be quite beautiful until
stuff starts breaking. Imagine a forest of trees apparently made of
glass. On a full moon night it is breath taking.
The biggest part of the electrical problem is the reluctance of
northern folks to cut back trees around power lines.
Down here in Florida they are very aggressive about eliminating
anything growing in the right of way. You really do not own the land
in front of your house within about 3m of the road (where the power
lines run) and the power company has the power to cut anything that
encroaches into that space. They do. People accept it because of the
number of wind storms we have. The power companies are really working
to get as much as this as they can, underground. Around here, the
phone company is already there and my landline is actually more
reliable than the cell after a hurricane. I have never lost it in 32
years.

Why are you so far behind us with wires? Ours have been underground for many decades. Only the national grid at 330,000 volts is overground.

I think a lot is just tradition. The assumption was that overhead
wires were easier to maintain. Now they are starting to figure out
that there is not that much maintenance necessary if they are buried.
Most new installation is underground but we still have millions of
miles on poles. They have the thought that if it ain't broke, don't
fix it.

Underground it lasts forever. Or as long as the outer plastic takes to rot.

Actually FPL has done tests that show a wire, a meter down can be
destroyed by lightning and we get a lot of lightning.

And you think a wire in the air is safer?!?

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On Sat, 12 Mar 2016 18:32:37 -0000, Muggles wrote:

On 3/12/2016 11:05 AM, Mr Macaw wrote:
On Tue, 08 Mar 2016 20:45:07 -0000, DerbyDad03
wrote:

On Tuesday, March 8, 2016 at 3:17:39 PM UTC-5, wrote:

...snip...

Coffee makers work fine on 120
and most do not even approach the 1440w available. A drip maker can
just "drip" so fast without overloading the filter pan.

...snip...

It's less about overloading the filter pan and more about "contact time".

If the water drips through too fast, the taste will be affected.
Unfortunately,
with most home drip systems, you are at the mercy of the machine's
drip rate.

SWMBO and I bought a $300 Breville unit for each other as a Christmas
gift.
You can adjust the brew strength by adjusting the contact time. It
makes a
really great cup of coffee, but it has too many features and too many
parts
to clean to be convenient for everyday use. We ended up going back to our
basic drip machine, sacrificing some flavor for ease of use.

Stolen without permission from:

http://www.ncausa.org/About-Coffee/How-to-Brew-Coffee

Brewing Time

The amount of time that the water is in contact with the coffee
grounds is
another important flavor factor.

In a drip system, the contact time should be approximately 5 minutes.
If you
are making your coffee using a plunger pot, the contact time should be
2-4
minutes. Espresso has an especially brief brew time -- the coffee is
in contact
with the water for only 20-30 seconds.

If you're not happy with the taste, it's possible that you're either
over-
extracting (the brew time is too long) or under-extracting (the brew
time is
too short). Experiment with the contact time until the taste suits you
perfectly.

Never heard of instant coffee? Boil water, add a spoon of powder, stir,
add milk.



Make it de-caf, and add home made creamer, for me.

De-caf is as sensible as diet chocolate.

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On Sat, 12 Mar 2016 20:37:34 -0000, Mark Lloyd wrote:

On 03/12/2016 12:32 PM, Muggles wrote:

[snip]

Make it de-caf, and add home made creamer, for me.


I never liked hot drinks very much. Lip and tongue pain doesn't seem
that enjoyable.

Same here.

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On Sat, 12 Mar 2016 21:22:25 -0000, Stormin Mormon wrote:

On 3/12/2016 3:37 PM, Mark Lloyd wrote:
On 03/12/2016 12:32 PM, Muggles wrote:

[snip]

Make it de-caf, and add home made creamer, for me.


I never liked hot drinks very much. Lip and tongue pain doesn't seem
that enjoyable.


Does it help to figure out where to put
the ground cable?

Shut up.

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On Sun, 13 Mar 2016 01:29:41 -0000, Muggles wrote:

On 3/12/2016 2:37 PM, Mark Lloyd wrote:
On 03/12/2016 12:32 PM, Muggles wrote:

[snip]

Make it de-caf, and add home made creamer, for me.


I never liked hot drinks very much. Lip and tongue pain doesn't seem
that enjoyable.


I only like hot coffee if I'm cold or have a chill, but I always add
cold creamer to it to cool it down do it isn't hot enough to burn lips
or tongue.

Why not make it the right temperature in the first place? I drink hot chocolate, I worked out how long the mug goes in the microwave to make it the correct temperature.

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On Sun, 13 Mar 2016 01:21:46 -0000, wrote:

On Sat, 12 Mar 2016 20:20:21 -0000, "Mr Macaw" wrote:


I find coffee and tea tasteless. I like hot chocolate, fruit juice, and anything alcoholic.

Put a shot of Baileys in that coffee.

Vodka and fruit juice is better.

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On Sun, 13 Mar 2016 02:12:56 -0000, Stormin Mormon wrote:

On 3/12/2016 8:34 PM, Muggles wrote:

oh yeah! I like to add some Baileys Irish cream to coffee in the winter
time. My other option is adding some hersheys chocolate and cream.
MMMMMMMMmmmmmmmmmmmmm!


Stir with a neutral wire.

Shut up.

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On Sat, 12 Mar 2016 19:37:32 -0000, Muggles wrote:

On 3/12/2016 1:10 PM, Mr Macaw wrote:
On Tue, 08 Mar 2016 22:47:39 -0000, Uncle Monster
wrote:

I'm in Alabamastan where warm air from The Gulf of Mexico collides
with cold air from Canada. This makes for some interesting weather
patterns. The Gulf is a thermal engine that runs a lot of weather
systems in The Northern Hemisphere. A warm current from The Gulf even
flows up and across The Atlantic and winds up around The UK. The
thing about the weather here in Alabama is that if you don't like it,
stick around a little while and it will change. Sunday the very early
morning temperature here was 40 degrees Fahrenheit and Monday
afternoon, the temperature was 72 degrees Fahrenheit. Now at 8:30pm
Monday night, it's 66 degrees Fahrenheit. We get wild temperature
swings here in The South at different times of the year. o_O

[8~{} Uncle Southern Monster
Nothing like here between the lakes in Ontario ----20C last week,
it'll be +20 on Thursday, like it was a couple weeks ago.
A couple years ago it went from "25 or 26C back down to -15 or so
within a week in March.

Usually our weather around here is pretty stable but it seems like
climate chaos at certain times of the year especially during the
change of seasons. One day you need a coat and the next you're wearing
shorts and a T shirt. In the middle of March 1993 we had a blizzard
that dropped 12 to 20 inches of snow over Alabamastan. If you look at
the weather maps, you can see how a tongue of tropical moisture comes
up from The Gulf of Mexico and dumps rain on the South. Right now
neighboring states are getting hammered and the rain was splitting my
state in two a few days ago. It's 74F right now and it's forecast to
be 78F tomorrow. It's actually what Spring is supposed to be like
around here. I'm sure it will be different next year. O_o

http://www.accuweather.com/en/weathe...-week/55871162


http://tinyurl.com/htqvfrs

http://www.srh.noaa.gov/bmx/?n=winter_blizzardof1993


Nobody needs a coat. Humans are warm blooded.

And because we're warm blooded we get cold when the temps drop.

WRONG. A lizard or a goldfish will get cold when the temperature drops. They will slow down considerably. We however remain around 37C inside.

Many people don't like being cold,

Which is a stupid thing to not like. All you're getting is cold skin. So what? Why is detecting a different temperature on your skin any different to detecting that it's dark, or you're walking on softer ground? It's an input telling you about your surroundings, and nothing to be concerned about.

and while we don't need a coat, it's a
good idea to add additional clothing so we don't freeze.

It's very difficult to freeze yourself. You'd need much lower temperatures than are available where you live.

Do you have a coat, or do you layer?

Neither. I wear usually just a pair of shorts. Only add more if I'm going somewhere fancy, then I wear a tshirt.

--
The Archbishop of Canterbury and The Royal Commission for Political Correctness announced today that the climate in the UK should no longer be referred to as "English Weather".
Rather than offend a sizeable portion of the UK population, it will now be referred to as "Muslim Weather" - (Partly Sunni, but mostly Shi'ite).

On Sat, 12 Mar 2016 21:28:45 -0000, Bod wrote:

On 12/03/2016 21:21, Stormin Mormon wrote:
On 3/12/2016 2:37 PM, Muggles wrote:
On 3/12/2016 1:10 PM, Mr Macaw wrote:
Nobody needs a coat. Humans are warm blooded.

And because we're warm blooded we get cold when the temps drop. Many
people don't like being cold, and while we don't need a coat, it's a
good idea to add additional clothing so we don't freeze.

Do you have a coat, or do you layer?



And did you put your ground cable on the
ground, or the neutral bar?

It goes down a common earth from every dwelling and is grounded at a sub
station (I think).

Depends on the kind of wire to your house. Mine does as you say.

--
A man goes to the Doctor and says "Doctor I think my wife's been dead for two weeks."
"Dead for two weeks, how did you work that out?"
"Well, the sex is the same but the washing is starting to build up."

On Sun, 13 Mar 2016 02:10:59 -0000, Stormin Mormon wrote:

On 3/12/2016 8:18 PM, wrote:

Do you have a coat, or do you layer?


Just slip on a hat and get on with your life

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/crystal%20m...20Michigan.jpg


You look like an electrician. I bet your ground
cable is to the ground bar at home?

Give it a rest.

--
Stress is the conflict which occurs when your mind prevents your body from beating the living daylights out of whoever got in your way.

On Sun, 13 Mar 2016 02:40:02 -0000, wrote:

On Sat, 12 Mar 2016 19:33:22 -0600, Muggles
wrote:

On 3/12/2016 7:18 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 12 Mar 2016 13:37:32 -0600, Muggles
wrote:

Nobody needs a coat. Humans are warm blooded.

And because we're warm blooded we get cold when the temps drop. Many
people don't like being cold, and while we don't need a coat, it's a
good idea to add additional clothing so we don't freeze.

Do you have a coat, or do you layer?


Just slip on a hat and get on with your life

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/crystal%20m...20Michigan.jpg


{{{{{{{{{brrrrrrrrrr!!!!!!!}}}}}}

I guess the fur on your face does the trick.

Yup it puts me over.
That was really a joke shot for my family because I pretty much never
change out of those clothes no matter how cold it gets in Florida. If
I have a shirt on it is winter and if they ever see me in long pants
it is time to cover up the plants and worry about your pipes freezing.
I actually can survive longer than most people in the cold. I really
thought of putting on my skis and shooting a video going by.
The kids were freaking out.

Someone beat you: http://wiki.voyeurweb.com/images/thu...-_Brigette.jpg

--
Recent medical journals are now advising doctors that, should they discover a patient has an AOL account, they should refrain from telling the patient they have sugar in their urine.
Studies show these people go home and **** on their cornflakes.

On Tue, 15 Mar 2016 22:09:05 -0000, "Mr Macaw" wrote:

On Sat, 12 Mar 2016 23:21:34 -0000, Sam E wrote:

On 03/12/2016 02:22 PM, Mr Macaw wrote:

[snip]

I tried to look up NEMA earlier, there seem to be about 10 different
sockets for different currents. Do you have them all in use?

There's a lot more, for different voltages including 125, 250, 277, 347,
480, and 600 volts with and without ground, and different currents.

And that's before you get to twist-lock and 3-phase wye and delta.

[snip]

How many are you likely to find in houses? (Including older houses and newer ones).

In residential you will run into six 240v receptacles
6-15
6-20
10-30
14-30
10-50
14-50

Two 120v
5-15
6-15
3 in you include real old homes
1-15

It is possible to see a few others but not usual.
6-30 if they have a welder or big shop equipment
TT-30 if they have an RV (caravan)

Once you get to commercial, you could see anything including a lot
that do not have NEMA numbers (Russell Stoll, IEC etc)

On Tue, 15 Mar 2016 22:12:46 -0000, "Mr Macaw" wrote:


Underground it lasts forever. Or as long as the outer plastic takes to rot.

Actually FPL has done tests that show a wire, a meter down can be
destroyed by lightning and we get a lot of lightning.

And you think a wire in the air is safer?!?

If it is hit, actually it is. The dirt/sand around a buried conductor
can cause physical damage. Underground hits are pretty rare tho.
Overhead hits happen a lot but it usually just blows a fuse.
Occasionally a transformer can explode tho.

On Tue, 15 Mar 2016 22:14:57 -0000, "Mr Macaw" wrote:

Put a shot of Baileys in that coffee.

Vodka and fruit juice is better.

Simply a different drink.
I lean toward your northern neighbor and like a bit of scotch.
I am unusual in that I also drink bourbon. Usually those are mutually
exclusive. It is ironic tho, since good scotch is aged in old bourbon
barrels.

On 2016-03-15 7:27 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 15 Mar 2016 22:12:46 -0000, "Mr Macaw" wrote:


Underground it lasts forever. Or as long as the outer plastic takes to rot.

Actually FPL has done tests that show a wire, a meter down can be
destroyed by lightning and we get a lot of lightning.

And you think a wire in the air is safer?!?

If it is hit, actually it is. The dirt/sand around a buried conductor
can cause physical damage. Underground hits are pretty rare tho.
Overhead hits happen a lot but it usually just blows a fuse.
Occasionally a transformer can explode tho.

I saw a bird fly into a transformer on a pole once, it made a lot of sparks.

--
Froz...

Quando omni flunkus, moritati

On 03/15/2016 05:13 PM, Mr Macaw wrote:

[snip]

Make it de-caf, and add home made creamer, for me.

De-caf is as sensible as diet chocolate.


Better than fat-free lard.

--
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us/

"When science and the Bible differ, science has obviously misinterpreted
its data." [Henry Morris, Head of Institute for Creation Research]

On 3/15/2016 5:13 PM, Mr Macaw wrote:
On Sat, 12 Mar 2016 18:32:37 -0000, Muggles
wrote:

On 3/12/2016 11:05 AM, Mr Macaw wrote:
On Tue, 08 Mar 2016 20:45:07 -0000, DerbyDad03
wrote:

On Tuesday, March 8, 2016 at 3:17:39 PM UTC-5, wrote:

...snip...

Coffee makers work fine on 120
and most do not even approach the 1440w available. A drip maker can
just "drip" so fast without overloading the filter pan.

...snip...

It's less about overloading the filter pan and more about "contact
time".

If the water drips through too fast, the taste will be affected.
Unfortunately,
with most home drip systems, you are at the mercy of the machine's
drip rate.

SWMBO and I bought a $300 Breville unit for each other as a Christmas
gift.
You can adjust the brew strength by adjusting the contact time. It
makes a
really great cup of coffee, but it has too many features and too many
parts
to clean to be convenient for everyday use. We ended up going back
to our
basic drip machine, sacrificing some flavor for ease of use.

Stolen without permission from:

http://www.ncausa.org/About-Coffee/How-to-Brew-Coffee

Brewing Time

The amount of time that the water is in contact with the coffee
grounds is
another important flavor factor.

In a drip system, the contact time should be approximately 5 minutes.
If you
are making your coffee using a plunger pot, the contact time should be
2-4
minutes. Espresso has an especially brief brew time -- the coffee is
in contact
with the water for only 20-30 seconds.

If you're not happy with the taste, it's possible that you're either
over-
extracting (the brew time is too long) or under-extracting (the brew
time is
too short). Experiment with the contact time until the taste suits you
perfectly.

Never heard of instant coffee? Boil water, add a spoon of powder, stir,
add milk.



Make it de-caf, and add home made creamer, for me.


De-caf is as sensible as diet chocolate.


You mean .. dark chocolate?

--
Maggie