"harry" wrote in message
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On Jun 6, 10:05�am, "Sanity" wrote:
"harry" wrote in message

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On Jun 5, 5:18 pm, The Daring Dufas
wrote:
On 6/5/2010 9:04 AM, harry wrote:

On Jun 5, 11:03 am, wrote:
wrote in message

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On Jun 4, 6:08 pm, wrote:
wrote in message

...

On Jun 4, 3:46 pm, wrote:
I've been as guilty as numerous others in perpetuating this
wildly
off
topic
thread for this newsgroup. However, as it refuses to die, here
is
my
contribution for the moment:

Although my politics is diametrically opposite, and I often
find
his
reasoning
to be flawed, occasionally Charles Krauthammer hits one right
out
of
the
ballpark. Everyone who has followed or contributed to this OT
discussion
of the
recent Israeli blockade incident should read this OP-ED piece
in
today's
Washington Post:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...10/06/03/AR201...

You can find plenty of articles making the opposite argument. Is
Krauthammer a Jewish name? Yes it is. The man is a Jew. What
sort
of
article do you expect?
His name is in Wikipedia with a full report on his background.

Just as good as you posting articles from pro-palestinian sources
such as
al-jazeera.

By the way, as long as you're quoting from Wiki, here's an
article
from
them
that states the British were using the King David Hotel as a
military and
political headquarters. It also states that the Irgun gave plenty
and
fair
warning of their attack to allow people to leave before but the
warning
was
not heeded. Did your muslim friends and muslim allies do that for
the
people of the Trade Center? You bet your ass they didn't because
they are
slime like you are.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_Da...ing-Hidequoted
text -

- Show quoted text -

So once again you are trying to justify terrorism. You started
with
terrorism, you will die with it.

And that's exactly what is happening to the palestinians. You know
who
I
mean. The civilized, cultured, educated people that strap bombs to
their
women and children and kill other women and children. The ones that
fire
rockets and weapons hiding behind women and children so as to get
Israel to
fire back at them and kill civilians. That's the terrorists I'm
talking
about.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

When they don't have tanks& aeroplanes it'a the only way they have
to
fight. It's surprising how desperate some people will get. You will
never beat them with violence. But Jews are too stupid to understand
that.

Believe it or not, there have been Arab and Jewish communities here in
Birmingham, Alabama from the beginning, the city is only 140 years
old.
When I was talking to a fairly recent Palestinian immigrant who is an
American citizen and came here as a child, he told me, "We don't have
jets, tanks and helicopters, we have suicide bombers. Those are our
tanks, jets and helicopters." There is a large group of Arab
Christians
here too and when I was discussing The Middle East with one of my
friends from that community, I said "Heck, you're an Arab Catholic,
everybody over there hates you." He asked, "How did you know?" I said
to
him "You're not Muslim and you're not Jewish, you belong to the
smallest
minority in that area, nobody's got your back." He told me that was
true
and said I should visit The Middle East with him some time, it would
blow my mind. I should probably leave my American flag T-shirt
at home.

TDD- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

He is exactly right. �You should definately go. You could adopted the
ploy of wearing a mini Canadian flag. Even English speakers can't tell
the differance in the accent. �A good place to start is Morrocco.
I have always been treated very kindly by Arabs. �Even ones who
couldn't really afford it. �Kindness to travellers is �part of
Islaam. �Due to the Arab nomadic cultural background

Last summer I took my grand daughter to the municipal pool for swimming
lessons. �One of the other girls mother was there too. She wore a scarf
so I
knew she was muslim. We talked twice and week and she seemed very nice.
One
day she came to the pool wearing a T-shirt with "Jihad" across the back
and
front. I asked her why she wore it. She told me it's �her duty to fight
and
destroy the Jews. �The next time I brought a small Israeli flag. The
woman
spit at me. � Just shows, they are not interested in getting along no
matter
how nice you try to be. They are here and there to push their violent and
uncivilized agenda, much like you.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

There is a history between you. Evil Jews have stolen Arab lands.
She knows this. All can be seen on Aljazeera. All the Jewish
atrocities are coming out. Sometimes live on aljazeera. Murder and
killings live on my TV.The time of reckoning is close.
There has been diasporas in the past because you are so evil. I
suppose your god was punishing you. As you are still unrepentant,
it's gonna happen again. And again. And again. You never learn. Even
though your past is all recorded in the bible.
The end of (your) world is nigh!!!!!!!!

There you go again. Al Jazeera. The muslim propaganda sheet and you quote
that as facts. Jews stole arab lands. Hey ****ant, in the early 1900's
Jews BOUGHT the land from the arab landowners. The arabs charged
exhorbitant prices and laughed at the Jews for buying desert land. Now look
at Israel and look at them. They turned this **** desert into one of the
worlds nicest metropolis'. Learn your history and facts before you make
bold and stupid statements. And keep reading Al Jazeera. You'll really
learn a lot from them. And when the muslims take over England, like they
are now, tell me how nice they are. I have many friends, relatives that
live there so don't bull**** me.

"harry" wrote in message
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On Jun 6, 10:32�am, aemeijers wrote:
Sanity wrote:

"harry" wrote in message
...
On Jun 5, 5:18 pm, The Daring Dufas
wrote:
On 6/5/2010 9:04 AM, harry wrote:

On Jun 5, 11:03 am, wrote:
wrote in message

...

On Jun 4, 6:08 pm, wrote:
wrote in message

...

On Jun 4, 3:46 pm, wrote:
I've been as guilty as numerous others in perpetuating this
wildly off
topic
thread for this newsgroup. However, as it refuses to die, here
is my
contribution for the moment:

Although my politics is diametrically opposite, and I often
find his
reasoning
to be flawed, occasionally Charles Krauthammer hits one right
out of
the
ballpark. Everyone who has followed or contributed to this OT
discussion
of the
recent Israeli blockade incident should read this OP-ED piece
in
today's
Washington Post:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...10/06/03/AR201...

You can find plenty of articles making the opposite argument.
Is
Krauthammer a Jewish name? Yes it is. The man is a Jew. What
sort of
article do you expect?
His name is in Wikipedia with a full report on his background.

Just as good as you posting articles from pro-palestinian
sources such as
al-jazeera.

By the way, as long as you're quoting from Wiki, here's an
article from
them
that states the British were using the King David Hotel as a
military and
political headquarters. It also states that the Irgun gave
plenty and
fair
warning of their attack to allow people to leave before but the
warning
was
not heeded. Did your muslim friends and muslim allies do that
for the
people of the Trade Center? You bet your ass they didn't because
they are
slime like you are.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_Da...ing-Hidequoted
text -

- Show quoted text -

So once again you are trying to justify terrorism. You started
with
terrorism, you will die with it.

And that's exactly what is happening to the palestinians. You know
who I
mean. The civilized, cultured, educated people that strap bombs to
their
women and children and kill other women and children. The ones
that fire
rockets and weapons hiding behind women and children so as to get
Israel to
fire back at them and kill civilians. That's the terrorists I'm
talking
about.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

When they don't have tanks& aeroplanes it'a the only way they
have to
fight. It's surprising how desperate some people will get. You will
never beat them with violence. But Jews are too stupid to
understand
that.

Believe it or not, there have been Arab and Jewish communities here
in
Birmingham, Alabama from the beginning, the city is only 140 years
old.
When I was talking to a fairly recent Palestinian immigrant who is an
American citizen and came here as a child, he told me, "We don't have
jets, tanks and helicopters, we have suicide bombers. Those are our
tanks, jets and helicopters." There is a large group of Arab
Christians
here too and when I was discussing The Middle East with one of my
friends from that community, I said "Heck, you're an Arab Catholic,
everybody over there hates you." He asked, "How did you know?" I said
to
him "You're not Muslim and you're not Jewish, you belong to the
smallest
minority in that area, nobody's got your back." He told me that was
true
and said I should visit The Middle East with him some time, it would
blow my mind. I should probably leave my American flag T-shirt
at home.

TDD- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

He is exactly right. �You should definately go. You could adopted the
ploy of wearing a mini Canadian flag. Even English speakers can't tell
the differance in the accent. �A good place to start is Morrocco.
I have always been treated very kindly by Arabs. �Even ones who
couldn't really afford it. �Kindness to travellers is �part of
Islaam. �Due to the Arab nomadic cultural background

Last summer I took my grand daughter to the municipal pool for swimming
lessons. �One of the other girls mother was there too. She wore a scarf
so I knew she was muslim. We talked twice and week and she seemed very
nice. One day she came to the pool wearing a T-shirt with "Jihad"
across
the back and front. I asked her why she wore it. She told me it's �her
duty to fight and destroy the Jews. �The next time I brought a small
Israeli flag. The woman spit at me. � Just shows, they are not
interested in getting along no matter how nice you try to be. They are
here and there to push their violent and uncivilized agenda, much like
you.

In situations like that, I find it hard to blame the individual. That is
how they were raised/programmed, and few people anywhere ever get beyond
that. Look at KKK in US, early part of 20th century. Things didn't
really change much until a generation after that organization was
largely broken by exposure to bright light and court actions. Even
today, talk to older folks in some areas (especially after a couple of
beers so their guard is down), and the old teachings come shining
through.

--
aem sends...- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Exactly like the Jews. There is no difference. You can't get it into
your thick heads, these people are not going to disappear.
Hey, I've got an idea. Gas chambers! You could gas them all. Might
as well. You've done everything else the Nazis did.

You're a ****ing idiot. By the way, you still haven't answered my question
about the King David hotel and the WTC. You know, the one where there was
military in the King David and none in the WTC and the one where the Irgon
warned the people in the King David before the bombing. What? You have no
answer? You're damned right you anti-semtic *******. And it's people like
you who deserve to be gassed. Perpetuators of lies and bigotry. I wish for
you and your love ones everything you wish for the Jews. How's that?

On 31/05/10 4:44 AM, Sanity wrote:

Why don't everyone wait until all the facts come out before they make
any judgements?

Because if they knew all the facts then they could not blame Israel,
which is a popular sport. The situation in Gaza is horrible, but the
Israelis are only one part of the problem in Gaza. Now that the cargo
has been inspected, it's not even being allowed into Gaza by the
authorities, because to do so would be a tacit admission that the
Israelis have no problem with delivering humanitarian aid.

No country can allow ships to deliver uninspected cargo to its shores,
especially since there has been a history of weapons smuggling into Gaza
which is then used in terrorist attacks. As always, the people that
suffer because of the political statements that were being made by the
activists are the residents of Gaza.

It's interesting that the world appears to be tiring of the "blame
Isreal without knowing the facts" game. Most of the reports on this
incident, both in the world media and the U.S. media were pretty
even-handed, emphasizing that the Israeli's were attacked by the
activists, and that Israel offered to allow the ship to dock in Ashdod
and transfer the humanitarian cargo to Gaza. But of course the activists
don't really care at all about the residents of Gaza, they were more
interested in a publicity stunt that had tragicresults.

On 6/5/2010 2:59 AM Sanity spake thus:

"David Nebenzahl" wrote in message
.com...

On 6/4/2010 5:19 PM Sanity spake thus:

I wonder how you'd react if someone was lobbing some rockets at your
house and family.

Exactly; that's just what the Israelis are doing to the inhaibtants of the
Occupied Territories.

Good question; think about it.

No, you think about it. The first rocket that landed near my house or family
would be the last. I'd go after the *******s and make sure they never did it
again.

As usual, you've missed the point he it flew over your head just like
a Patriot missile.

You said "The first rocket that landed near my house or family would be
the last. I'd go after the *******s and make sure they never did it
again." Fine, fair enough; I take you at your word on that.

Now imagine you are a *Palestinian* whose house has just been fired on
by a rocket. And not a ridiculously crude Qassam but a precision-guided
Hellfire fired from an attack helicopter by the IDF.

I take it you would still "go after the *******s and make sure they
never did it again", right?

But as you say "As long as it's against an Israeli, it's okay" You're
a phony.

I challenge you to show where I ever said anything like that, or even
implied it.


--
The fashion in killing has an insouciant, flirty style this spring,
with the flaunting of well-defined muscle, wrapped in flags.

- Comment from an article on Antiwar.com (http://antiwar.com)

"David Nebenzahl" wrote in message
.com...
On 6/5/2010 2:59 AM Sanity spake thus:

"David Nebenzahl" wrote in message
.com...

On 6/4/2010 5:19 PM Sanity spake thus:

I wonder how you'd react if someone was lobbing some rockets at your
house and family.

Exactly; that's just what the Israelis are doing to the inhaibtants of
the Occupied Territories.

Good question; think about it.

No, you think about it. The first rocket that landed near my house or
family would be the last. I'd go after the *******s and make sure they
never did it again.

As usual, you've missed the point he it flew over your head just like a
Patriot missile.

You said "The first rocket that landed near my house or family would be
the last. I'd go after the *******s and make sure they never did it
again." Fine, fair enough; I take you at your word on that.

Now imagine you are a *Palestinian* whose house has just been fired on by
a rocket. And not a ridiculously crude Qassam but a precision-guided
Hellfire fired from an attack helicopter by the IDF.

I take it you would still "go after the *******s and make sure they never
did it again", right?

But as you say "As long as it's against an Israeli, it's okay" You're
a phony.

I challenge you to show where I ever said anything like that, or even
implied it.


--
The fashion in killing has an insouciant, flirty style this spring,
with the flaunting of well-defined muscle, wrapped in flags.

- Comment from an article on Antiwar.com (http://antiwar.com)

Show me where Israel fired missiles, rockets or artillery where it wasn't in
retaliation. You too **** with the facts. Is that why everyone killfiled
you on the photo site? I guess many of the users found out what a **** you
are.

In article , David Nebenzahl wrote:
On 6/5/2010 2:59 AM Sanity spake thus:

"David Nebenzahl" wrote in message
.com...

On 6/4/2010 5:19 PM Sanity spake thus:

I wonder how you'd react if someone was lobbing some rockets at your
house and family.

Exactly; that's just what the Israelis are doing to the inhaibtants of the
Occupied Territories.

Good question; think about it.

No, you think about it. The first rocket that landed near my house or family
would be the last. I'd go after the *******s and make sure they never did it
again.

As usual, you've missed the point he it flew over your head just like
a Patriot missile.

You said "The first rocket that landed near my house or family would be
the last. I'd go after the *******s and make sure they never did it
again." Fine, fair enough; I take you at your word on that.

Now imagine you are a *Palestinian* whose house has just been fired on
by a rocket. And not a ridiculously crude Qassam but a precision-guided
Hellfire fired from an attack helicopter by the IDF.

I take it you would still "go after the *******s and make sure they
never did it again", right?

And thus begins an endless cycle of retaliation. Reminds me of a Doonesbury
cartoon about a year ago where an American soldier and an Iraqi are talking
about revenge killings. The Iraqi says his family has a feud with another guy
"because his cousin killed my cousin" or something like that. The American
asks, "When did that happen?" and the Iraqi replies "In 1378."

On Sun, 06 Jun 2010 13:06:20 -0500, The Daring Dufas
wrote:

On 6/6/2010 9:15 AM, Peter wrote:
On 6/6/2010 5:32 AM, aemeijers wrote:


In situations like that, I find it hard to blame the individual. That is
how they were raised/programmed, and few people anywhere ever get beyond
that. Look at KKK in US, early part of 20th century. Things didn't
really change much until a generation after that organization was
largely broken by exposure to bright light and court actions. Even
today, talk to older folks in some areas (especially after a couple of
beers so their guard is down), and the old teachings come shining
through.


I don't accept the fact that people are programmed by their upbringing.
If that were the case, culture would remain constant, and the religious,
political, and other societal tastes and belief of the parents would
always be shared by their children.

Of course people are heavily influenced by their upbringing. But you are
ignoring the fact that many people respond to their upbringing by
questioning the veracity of what they've been told, often deciding that
their parent's values are "old fashioned" and sometimes even rejecting
them outright. However, in order to do that, the individuals have to be
inquisitive - usually a key indicator of intelligence. But, be careful
not to conflate intelligence with education. An unintelligent person is
very adept at rejecting what they are taught if those teachings conflict
with their previous beliefs. Only the intelligent are able to integrate
new knowledge without feeling threatened and make their own choices
based on more data.

The fact that older folks become set in their ways and more commonly
believe as they did when they were in their young adulthood (your KKK
example) is not relevant to the argument. I'll cite the example of
emerging tolerance for homosexuals in the U.S. Almost all surveys show
that the younger the demographic slice, the more tolerant the values. So
much for parental "programming".

A good example of rejecting the old ways may be the young people of Iran.

Except that in Iran the old way isn't all that old. There was a rather
sizable middle class before the Islamic nutcases took over.

"Doug Miller" wrote in message
...
In article , David
Nebenzahl wrote:
On 6/5/2010 2:59 AM Sanity spake thus:

"David Nebenzahl" wrote in message
.com...

On 6/4/2010 5:19 PM Sanity spake thus:

I wonder how you'd react if someone was lobbing some rockets at your
house and family.

Exactly; that's just what the Israelis are doing to the inhaibtants of
the
Occupied Territories.

Good question; think about it.

No, you think about it. The first rocket that landed near my house or
family
would be the last. I'd go after the *******s and make sure they never
did it
again.

As usual, you've missed the point he it flew over your head just like
a Patriot missile.

You said "The first rocket that landed near my house or family would be
the last. I'd go after the *******s and make sure they never did it
again." Fine, fair enough; I take you at your word on that.

Now imagine you are a *Palestinian* whose house has just been fired on
by a rocket. And not a ridiculously crude Qassam but a precision-guided
Hellfire fired from an attack helicopter by the IDF.

I take it you would still "go after the *******s and make sure they
never did it again", right?

And thus begins an endless cycle of retaliation. Reminds me of a
Doonesbury
cartoon about a year ago where an American soldier and an Iraqi are
talking
about revenge killings. The Iraqi says his family has a feud with another
guy
"because his cousin killed my cousin" or something like that. The American
asks, "When did that happen?" and the Iraqi replies "In 1378."

The problem could be easily resolved if Hamas and Hezblah recognize the
State of Israel and stop firing rockets and sending suicide bombers in.
Then I'm sure the two sides can sit down and talk out their differences. But
every time the talks get near, a new round of rockets goes flying into
Israel. So? Israel should just sit there twiddling their thumbs?

In article ,
David Nebenzahl wrote:



You said "The first rocket that landed near my house or family would be
the last. I'd go after the *******s and make sure they never did it
again." Fine, fair enough; I take you at your word on that.

Now imagine you are a *Palestinian* whose house has just been fired on
by a rocket. And not a ridiculously crude Qassam but a precision-guided
Hellfire fired from an attack helicopter by the IDF.

So you are essentially saying the Palestinians get a bye because
they use second rate equipment in their attempts to kill Israelis?

--
I want to find a voracious, small-minded predator
and name it after the IRS.
Robert Bakker, paleontologist

In article ,
(Doug Miller) wrote:


And thus begins an endless cycle of retaliation. Reminds me of a Doonesbury
cartoon about a year ago where an American soldier and an Iraqi are talking
about revenge killings. The Iraqi says his family has a feud with another guy
"because his cousin killed my cousin" or something like that. The American
asks, "When did that happen?" and the Iraqi replies "In 1378."

Politics and religion have been blood sports in that region since
recorded history.

--
I want to find a voracious, small-minded predator
and name it after the IRS.
Robert Bakker, paleontologist

[snip]


And while your ancestors were painting themselves blue and eating each
other, mine were writing the Bible.


slightly more sophisticated bull****.

In article , "Sanity" wrote:


"Doug Miller" wrote in message
...
In article , David
Nebenzahl wrote:
On 6/5/2010 2:59 AM Sanity spake thus:

"David Nebenzahl" wrote in message
.com...

On 6/4/2010 5:19 PM Sanity spake thus:

I wonder how you'd react if someone was lobbing some rockets at your
house and family.

Exactly; that's just what the Israelis are doing to the inhaibtants of
the
Occupied Territories.

Good question; think about it.

No, you think about it. The first rocket that landed near my house or
family
would be the last. I'd go after the *******s and make sure they never
did it
again.

As usual, you've missed the point he it flew over your head just like
a Patriot missile.

You said "The first rocket that landed near my house or family would be
the last. I'd go after the *******s and make sure they never did it
again." Fine, fair enough; I take you at your word on that.

Now imagine you are a *Palestinian* whose house has just been fired on
by a rocket. And not a ridiculously crude Qassam but a precision-guided
Hellfire fired from an attack helicopter by the IDF.

I take it you would still "go after the *******s and make sure they
never did it again", right?

And thus begins an endless cycle of retaliation. Reminds me of a
Doonesbury
cartoon about a year ago where an American soldier and an Iraqi are
talking
about revenge killings. The Iraqi says his family has a feud with another
guy
"because his cousin killed my cousin" or something like that. The American
asks, "When did that happen?" and the Iraqi replies "In 1378."

The problem could be easily resolved if Hamas and Hezblah recognize the
State of Israel and stop firing rockets and sending suicide bombers in.
Then I'm sure the two sides can sit down and talk out their differences. But
every time the talks get near, a new round of rockets goes flying into
Israel. So? Israel should just sit there twiddling their thumbs?

No, of course not. The problem is that the entire Arab world is still stuck in
the 14th century. Their mindset is to retaliate for the Israeli retaliation,
forgetting (or ignoring) the fact that it was _their own_ acts that started
the problem to begin with.

"Kurt Ullman" wrote in message
m...
In article ,
David Nebenzahl wrote:



You said "The first rocket that landed near my house or family would be
the last. I'd go after the *******s and make sure they never did it
again." Fine, fair enough; I take you at your word on that.

Now imagine you are a *Palestinian* whose house has just been fired on
by a rocket. And not a ridiculously crude Qassam but a precision-guided
Hellfire fired from an attack helicopter by the IDF.

So you are essentially saying the Palestinians get a bye because
they use second rate equipment in their attempts to kill Israelis?

--
I want to find a voracious, small-minded predator
and name it after the IRS.
Robert Bakker, paleontologist

I may be stupid but I never started a fight with someone much bigger than I
am.

On Sun, 6 Jun 2010 19:39:30 -0400, "Sanity" wrote:

I may be stupid but I never started a fight with someone much bigger than I
am.

I refuse to fight anyone that can catch a bullet in his teeth.

All others are welcome (except today, I have a fractured and bruised
ribs)!

"Oren" wrote in message
news
On Sun, 6 Jun 2010 19:39:30 -0400, "Sanity" wrote:


All others are welcome (except today, I have a fractured and bruised
ribs)!


Been there, done that. How's it feel when you take a deep breath? They used
to tape your chest but don't do it anymore. I went out and bought a rib
cage bandage and it helped me a lot. At least I was able to breathe.

On Sun, 6 Jun 2010 21:17:25 -0400, "Sanity" wrote:



"Oren" wrote in message
news
On Sun, 6 Jun 2010 19:39:30 -0400, "Sanity" wrote:


All others are welcome (except today, I have a fractured and bruised
ribs)!


Been there, done that. How's it feel when you take a deep breath? They used
to tape your chest but don't do it anymore. I went out and bought a rib
cage bandage and it helped me a lot. At least I was able to breathe.

Hurts worse if I cough, sneeze. NO foaming blood from a punctured
lung. I strapped the chest with a belt for awhile.


A couple weeks I'll be fine, not a real biggy. BTDT

In article ,
Oren wrote:

A couple weeks I'll be fine, not a real biggy. BTDT

I'm about 10 years on now and my ribs still hurt whenever I lay on that
side.

--
I want to find a voracious, small-minded predator
and name it after the IRS.
Robert Bakker, paleontologist

On Jun 6, 4:38�pm, "Sanity" wrote:
"harry" wrote in message

...





On Jun 6, 10:05 am, "Sanity" wrote:
"harry" wrote in message

...

On Jun 5, 5:18 pm, The Daring Dufas
wrote:
On 6/5/2010 9:04 AM, harry wrote:

On Jun 5, 11:03 am, wrote:
wrote in message

...

On Jun 4, 6:08 pm, wrote:
wrote in message

...

On Jun 4, 3:46 pm, wrote:
I've been as guilty as numerous others in perpetuating this
wildly
off
topic
thread for this newsgroup. However, as it refuses to die, here
is
my
contribution for the moment:

Although my politics is diametrically opposite, and I often
find
his
reasoning
to be flawed, occasionally Charles Krauthammer hits one right
out
of
the
ballpark. Everyone who has followed or contributed to this OT
discussion
of the
recent Israeli blockade incident should read this OP-ED piece
in
today's
Washington Post:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...10/06/03/AR201...

You can find plenty of articles making the opposite argument. Is
Krauthammer a Jewish name? Yes it is. The man is a Jew. What
sort
of
article do you expect?
His name is in Wikipedia with a full report on his background..

Just as good as you posting articles from pro-palestinian sources
such as
al-jazeera.

By the way, as long as you're quoting from Wiki, here's an
article
from
them
that states the British were using the King David Hotel as a
military and
political headquarters. It also states that the Irgun gave plenty
and
fair
warning of their attack to allow people to leave before but the
warning
was
not heeded. Did your muslim friends and muslim allies do that for
the
people of the Trade Center? You bet your ass they didn't because
they are
slime like you are.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_Da...ing-Hidequoted
text -

- Show quoted text -

So once again you are trying to justify terrorism. You started
with
terrorism, you will die with it.

And that's exactly what is happening to the palestinians. You know
who
I
mean. The civilized, cultured, educated people that strap bombs to
their
women and children and kill other women and children. The ones that
fire
rockets and weapons hiding behind women and children so as to get
Israel to
fire back at them and kill civilians. That's the terrorists I'm
talking
about.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

When they don't have tanks& aeroplanes it'a the only way they have
to
fight. It's surprising how desperate some people will get. You will
never beat them with violence. But Jews are too stupid to understand
that.

Believe it or not, there have been Arab and Jewish communities here in
Birmingham, Alabama from the beginning, the city is only 140 years
old.
When I was talking to a fairly recent Palestinian immigrant who is an
American citizen and came here as a child, he told me, "We don't have
jets, tanks and helicopters, we have suicide bombers. Those are our
tanks, jets and helicopters." There is a large group of Arab
Christians
here too and when I was discussing The Middle East with one of my
friends from that community, I said "Heck, you're an Arab Catholic,
everybody over there hates you." He asked, "How did you know?" I said
to
him "You're not Muslim and you're not Jewish, you belong to the
smallest
minority in that area, nobody's got your back." He told me that was
true
and said I should visit The Middle East with him some time, it would
blow my mind. I should probably leave my American flag T-shirt
at home.

TDD- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

He is exactly right. You should definately go. You could adopted the
ploy of wearing a mini Canadian flag. Even English speakers can't tell
the differance in the accent. A good place to start is Morrocco.
I have always been treated very kindly by Arabs. Even ones who
couldn't really afford it. Kindness to travellers is part of
Islaam. Due to the Arab nomadic cultural background

Last summer I took my grand daughter to the municipal pool for swimming
lessons. One of the other girls mother was there too. She wore a scarf
so I
knew she was muslim. We talked twice and week and she seemed very nice..
One
day she came to the pool wearing a T-shirt with "Jihad" across the back
and
front. I asked her why she wore it. She told me it's her duty to fight
and
destroy the Jews. The next time I brought a small Israeli flag. The
woman
spit at me. Just shows, they are not interested in getting along no
matter
how nice you try to be. They are here and there to push their violent and
uncivilized agenda, much like you.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

There is a history between you. �Evil Jews have stolen Arab lands.
She knows this. All can be seen on Aljazeera. All the Jewish
atrocities are coming out. Sometimes live on aljazeera. �Murder and
killings live on my TV.The time of reckoning is close.
�There has been diasporas in the past because you are so evil. �I
suppose your god was punishing you. � As you are still unrepentant,
it's gonna happen again. �And again. And again. �You never learn. Even
though your past is all recorded in the bible.
The end of (your) world is nigh!!!!!!!!

There you go again. �Al Jazeera. The muslim propaganda sheet and you quote
that as facts. �Jews stole arab lands. � Hey ****ant, in the early 1900's
Jews BOUGHT the land from the arab landowners. �The arabs charged
exhorbitant prices and laughed at the Jews for buying desert land. �Now look
at Israel and look at them. They turned this **** desert into one of the
worlds nicest metropolis'. �Learn your history and facts before you make
bold and stupid statements. �And keep reading Al Jazeera. �You'll really
learn a lot from them. �And when the muslims take over England, like they
are now, tell me how nice they are. �I have many friends, relatives that
live there so don't bull**** me.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Canaan was the land of milk and honey until the Jews ruined it.

On Jun 6, 4:41�pm, "Sanity" wrote:
"harry" wrote in message

...





On Jun 6, 10:32 am, aemeijers wrote:
Sanity wrote:

"harry" wrote in message
....
On Jun 5, 5:18 pm, The Daring Dufas
wrote:
On 6/5/2010 9:04 AM, harry wrote:

On Jun 5, 11:03 am, wrote:
wrote in message

...

On Jun 4, 6:08 pm, wrote:
wrote in message

...

On Jun 4, 3:46 pm, wrote:
I've been as guilty as numerous others in perpetuating this
wildly off
topic
thread for this newsgroup. However, as it refuses to die, here
is my
contribution for the moment:

Although my politics is diametrically opposite, and I often
find his
reasoning
to be flawed, occasionally Charles Krauthammer hits one right
out of
the
ballpark. Everyone who has followed or contributed to this OT
discussion
of the
recent Israeli blockade incident should read this OP-ED piece
in
today's
Washington Post:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...10/06/03/AR201...

You can find plenty of articles making the opposite argument..
Is
Krauthammer a Jewish name? Yes it is. The man is a Jew. What
sort of
article do you expect?
His name is in Wikipedia with a full report on his background.

Just as good as you posting articles from pro-palestinian
sources such as
al-jazeera.

By the way, as long as you're quoting from Wiki, here's an
article from
them
that states the British were using the King David Hotel as a
military and
political headquarters. It also states that the Irgun gave
plenty and
fair
warning of their attack to allow people to leave before but the
warning
was
not heeded. Did your muslim friends and muslim allies do that
for the
people of the Trade Center? You bet your ass they didn't because
they are
slime like you are.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_Da...ing-Hidequoted
text -

- Show quoted text -

So once again you are trying to justify terrorism. You started
with
terrorism, you will die with it.

And that's exactly what is happening to the palestinians. You know
who I
mean. The civilized, cultured, educated people that strap bombs to
their
women and children and kill other women and children. The ones
that fire
rockets and weapons hiding behind women and children so as to get
Israel to
fire back at them and kill civilians. That's the terrorists I'm
talking
about.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

When they don't have tanks& aeroplanes it'a the only way they
have to
fight. It's surprising how desperate some people will get. You will
never beat them with violence. But Jews are too stupid to
understand
that.

Believe it or not, there have been Arab and Jewish communities here
in
Birmingham, Alabama from the beginning, the city is only 140 years
old.
When I was talking to a fairly recent Palestinian immigrant who is an
American citizen and came here as a child, he told me, "We don't have
jets, tanks and helicopters, we have suicide bombers. Those are our
tanks, jets and helicopters." There is a large group of Arab
Christians
here too and when I was discussing The Middle East with one of my
friends from that community, I said "Heck, you're an Arab Catholic,
everybody over there hates you." He asked, "How did you know?" I said
to
him "You're not Muslim and you're not Jewish, you belong to the
smallest
minority in that area, nobody's got your back." He told me that was
true
and said I should visit The Middle East with him some time, it would
blow my mind. I should probably leave my American flag T-shirt
at home.

TDD- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

He is exactly right. You should definately go. You could adopted the
ploy of wearing a mini Canadian flag. Even English speakers can't tell
the differance in the accent. A good place to start is Morrocco.
I have always been treated very kindly by Arabs. Even ones who
couldn't really afford it. Kindness to travellers is part of
Islaam. Due to the Arab nomadic cultural background

Last summer I took my grand daughter to the municipal pool for swimming
lessons. One of the other girls mother was there too. She wore a scarf
so I knew she was muslim. We talked twice and week and she seemed very
nice. One day she came to the pool wearing a T-shirt with "Jihad"
across
the back and front. I asked her why she wore it. She told me it's her
duty to fight and destroy the Jews. The next time I brought a small
Israeli flag. The woman spit at me. Just shows, they are not
interested in getting along no matter how nice you try to be. They are
here and there to push their violent and uncivilized agenda, much like
you.

In situations like that, I find it hard to blame the individual. That is
how they were raised/programmed, and few people anywhere ever get beyond
that. Look at KKK in US, early part of 20th century. Things didn't
really change much until a generation after that organization was
largely broken by exposure to bright light and court actions. Even
today, talk to older folks in some areas (especially after a couple of
beers so their guard is down), and the old teachings come shining
through.

--
aem sends...- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Exactly like the Jews. There is no difference. �You can't get it into
your thick heads, these people are not going to disappear.
Hey, I've got an idea. �Gas chambers! �You could gas them all. �Might
as well. You've done everything else the Nazis did.

You're a ****ing idiot. �By the way, you still haven't answered my question
about the King David hotel and the WTC. You know, the one where there was
military in the King David and none in the WTC and the one where the Irgon
warned the people in the King David before the bombing. �What? �You have no
answer? You're damned right you anti-semtic *******. And it's people like
you who deserve to be gassed. Perpetuators of lies and bigotry. �I wish for
you and your love ones everything you wish for the Jews. �How's that?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I think the other guy said it all, He was Jewish too wasn't he.

On Jun 6, 7:06�pm, The Daring Dufas
wrote:
On 6/6/2010 9:15 AM, Peter wrote:





On 6/6/2010 5:32 AM, aemeijers wrote:

In situations like that, I find it hard to blame the individual. That is
how they were raised/programmed, and few people anywhere ever get beyond
that. Look at KKK in US, early part of 20th century. Things didn't
really change much until a generation after that organization was
largely broken by exposure to bright light and court actions. Even
today, talk to older folks in some areas (especially after a couple of
beers so their guard is down), and the old teachings come shining
through.

I don't accept the fact that people are programmed by their upbringing.
If that were the case, culture would remain constant, and the religious,
political, and other societal tastes and belief of the parents would
always be shared by their children.

Of course people are heavily influenced by their upbringing. But you are
ignoring the fact that many people respond to their upbringing by
questioning the veracity of what they've been told, often deciding that
their parent's values are "old fashioned" and sometimes even rejecting
them outright. However, in order to do that, the individuals have to be
inquisitive - usually a key indicator of intelligence. But, be careful
not to conflate intelligence with education. An unintelligent person is
very adept at rejecting what they are taught if those teachings conflict
with their previous beliefs. Only the intelligent are able to integrate
new knowledge without feeling threatened and make their own choices
based on more data.

The fact that older folks become set in their ways and more commonly
believe as they did when they were in their young adulthood (your KKK
example) is not relevant to the argument. I'll cite the example of
emerging tolerance for homosexuals in the U.S. Almost all surveys show
that the younger the demographic slice, the more tolerant the values. So
much for parental "programming".

A good example of rejecting the old ways may be the young people of Iran.

TDD- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

The problem is you only see what's in front of the camera. not what's
just off screen. Most of these guys have an agenda, they go looking
for "facts" to fit what they want to portray. You need to visit
yourself or failng that, to collect information from various
sources. I collect all my information about America from Aljazeera.
Much more balanced account than Fox TV. ;-) Heh! Heh!

On Jun 6, 7:10�pm, The Daring Dufas
wrote:
On 6/6/2010 2:53 AM, harry wrote:





On Jun 5, 5:18 pm, The Daring
wrote:
On 6/5/2010 9:04 AM, harry wrote:

On Jun 5, 11:03 am, � wrote:
� wrote in message

...

On Jun 4, 6:08 pm, � wrote:
� wrote in message

...

On Jun 4, 3:46 pm, � wrote:
I've been as guilty as numerous others in perpetuating this wildly off
topic
thread for this newsgroup. However, as it refuses to die, here is my
contribution for the moment:

Although my politics is diametrically opposite, and I often find his
reasoning
to be flawed, occasionally Charles Krauthammer hits one right out of
the
ballpark. Everyone who has followed or contributed to this OT
discussion
of the
recent Israeli blockade incident should read this OP-ED piece in
today's
Washington Post:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...10/06/03/AR201...

You can find plenty of articles making the opposite argument. Is
Krauthammer a Jewish name? Yes it is. The man is a Jew. What sort of
article do you expect?
His name is in Wikipedia with a full report on his background.

Just as good as you posting articles from pro-palestinian sources such as
al-jazeera.

By the way, as long as you're quoting from Wiki, here's an article from
them
that states the British were using the King David Hotel as a military and
political headquarters. It also states that the Irgun gave plenty and
fair
warning of their attack to allow people to leave before but the warning
was
not heeded. Did your muslim friends and muslim allies do that for the
people of the Trade Center? You bet your ass they didn't because they are
slime like you are.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_Da...Hidequotedtext -

- Show quoted text -

So once again you are trying to justify terrorism. You started with
terrorism, you will die with it.

And that's exactly what is happening to the palestinians. You know who I
mean. The civilized, cultured, educated people that strap bombs to their
women and children and kill other women and children. The ones that fire
rockets and weapons hiding behind women and children so as to get Israel to
fire back at them and kill civilians. That's the terrorists I'm talking
about.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

When they don't have tanks& � aeroplanes it'a the only way they have to
fight. It's surprising how desperate some people will get. You will
never beat them with violence. But Jews are too stupid to understand
that.

Believe it or not, there have been Arab and Jewish communities here in
Birmingham, Alabama from the beginning, the city is only 140 years old..
When I was talking to a fairly recent Palestinian immigrant who is an
American citizen and came here as a child, he told me, "We don't have
jets, tanks and helicopters, we have suicide bombers. Those are our
tanks, jets and helicopters." There is a large group of Arab Christians
here too and when I was discussing The Middle East with one of my
friends from that community, I said "Heck, you're an Arab Catholic,
everybody over there hates you." He asked, "How did you know?" I said to
him "You're not Muslim and you're not Jewish, you belong to the smallest
minority in that area, nobody's got your back." He told me that was true
and said I should visit The Middle East with him some time, it would
blow my mind. I should probably leave my American flag T-shirt
at home.

TDD- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

BTW, I live near Birmingham too. � UK.

I'll bet there are/were steel mills there too.

TDD- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

No, Birminham (UK) was/is about motor cars and light engineering.
Sheffield was our steel industry centre. Much depleted these days.
They made Saddams monster gun there. (Project Babylon). That firm is
still going (Forgemasters)

On Jun 7, 12:10�am, Kurt Ullman wrote:
In article ,
(Doug Miller) wrote:



And thus begins an endless cycle of retaliation. Reminds me of a Doonesbury
cartoon about a year ago where an American soldier and an Iraqi are talking
about revenge killings. The Iraqi says his family has a feud with another guy
"because his cousin killed my cousin" or something like that. The American
asks, "When did that happen?" and the Iraqi replies "In 1378."

� �Politics and religion have been blood sports in that region since
recorded history.

--
� I want to find a voracious, small-minded predator
and name it after the IRS.
Robert Bakker, paleontologist

Politics and religion have been bloodsports everywhere since recorded
history. Not least in America.

On Jun 7, 12:12�am, siais wrote:
[snip]



And while your ancestors were painting themselves blue and eating each
other, mine were writing the Bible.

slightly more sophisticated bull****.

I thought child sacrifice was a Jewish thing too. Golden cows. etc.

On Jun 7, 12:20�am, (Doug Miller) wrote:
In article , "Sanity" wrote:

"Doug Miller" wrote in message
...
In article , David
Nebenzahl wrote:
On 6/5/2010 2:59 AM Sanity spake thus:

"David Nebenzahl" wrote in message
ters.com...

On 6/4/2010 5:19 PM Sanity spake thus:

I wonder how you'd react if someone was lobbing some rockets at your
house and family.

Exactly; that's just what the Israelis are doing to the inhaibtants of
the
Occupied Territories.

Good question; think about it.

No, you think about it. The first rocket that landed near my house or
family
would be the last. I'd go after the *******s and make sure they never
did it
again.

As usual, you've missed the point he it flew over your head just like
a Patriot missile.

You said "The first rocket that landed near my house or family would be
the last. I'd go after the *******s and make sure they never did it
again." Fine, fair enough; I take you at your word on that.

Now imagine you are a *Palestinian* whose house has just been fired on
by a rocket. And not a ridiculously crude Qassam but a precision-guided
Hellfire fired from an attack helicopter by the IDF.

I take it you would still "go after the *******s and make sure they
never did it again", right?

And thus begins an endless cycle of retaliation. Reminds me of a
Doonesbury
cartoon about a year ago where an American soldier and an Iraqi are
talking
about revenge killings. The Iraqi says his family has a feud with another
guy
"because his cousin killed my cousin" or something like that. The American
asks, "When did that happen?" and the Iraqi replies "In 1378."

The problem could be easily resolved if Hamas and Hezblah recognize the
State of Israel and stop firing rockets and sending suicide bombers in.
Then I'm sure the two sides can sit down and talk out their differences. But
every time the talks get near, a new round of rockets goes flying into
Israel. �So? �Israel should just sit there twiddling their thumbs?

No, of course not. The problem is that the entire Arab world is still stuck in
the 14th century. Their mindset is to retaliate for the Israeli retaliation,
forgetting (or ignoring) the fact that it was _their own_ acts that started
the problem to begin with.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

The world's highest building, most luxurious hotel and most
sophisticated holiday destinations are in the ME

On Jun 7, 12:39�am, "Sanity" wrote:
"Kurt Ullman" wrote in message

m...





In article ,
David Nebenzahl wrote:

You said "The first rocket that landed near my house or family would be
the last. I'd go after the *******s and make sure they never did it
again." Fine, fair enough; I take you at your word on that.

Now imagine you are a *Palestinian* whose house has just been fired on
by a rocket. And not a ridiculously crude Qassam but a precision-guided
Hellfire fired from an attack helicopter by the IDF.

� � So you are essentially saying the Palestinians get a bye because
they use second rate equipment in their attempts to kill Israelis?

--
�I want to find a voracious, small-minded predator
and name it after the IRS.
Robert Bakker, paleontologist

I may be stupid but I never started a fight with someone much bigger than I
am.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

That is the talk of cowards. The USA has nevr started a war with
anyone bigger tham it's self. You even needed pur help with Iraq and
Afghanistan.
We on the other hand have never hesitated to fight tyranny. Th US
only fights for money.
The Palestinians are fighting for what's theirs. What's right.

On 6/7/2010 3:03 AM, harry wrote:
On Jun 6, 7:06�pm, The Daring
wrote:
On 6/6/2010 9:15 AM, Peter wrote:





On 6/6/2010 5:32 AM, aemeijers wrote:

In situations like that, I find it hard to blame the individual. That is
how they were raised/programmed, and few people anywhere ever get beyond
that. Look at KKK in US, early part of 20th century. Things didn't
really change much until a generation after that organization was
largely broken by exposure to bright light and court actions. Even
today, talk to older folks in some areas (especially after a couple of
beers so their guard is down), and the old teachings come shining
through.

I don't accept the fact that people are programmed by their upbringing.
If that were the case, culture would remain constant, and the religious,
political, and other societal tastes and belief of the parents would
always be shared by their children.

Of course people are heavily influenced by their upbringing. But you are
ignoring the fact that many people respond to their upbringing by
questioning the veracity of what they've been told, often deciding that
their parent's values are "old fashioned" and sometimes even rejecting
them outright. However, in order to do that, the individuals have to be
inquisitive - usually a key indicator of intelligence. But, be careful
not to conflate intelligence with education. An unintelligent person is
very adept at rejecting what they are taught if those teachings conflict
with their previous beliefs. Only the intelligent are able to integrate
new knowledge without feeling threatened and make their own choices
based on more data.

The fact that older folks become set in their ways and more commonly
believe as they did when they were in their young adulthood (your KKK
example) is not relevant to the argument. I'll cite the example of
emerging tolerance for homosexuals in the U.S. Almost all surveys show
that the younger the demographic slice, the more tolerant the values. So
much for parental "programming".

A good example of rejecting the old ways may be the young people of Iran.

TDD- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

The problem is you only see what's in front of the camera. not what's
just off screen. Most of these guys have an agenda, they go looking
for "facts" to fit what they want to portray. You need to visit
yourself or failng that, to collect information from various
sources. I collect all my information about America from Aljazeera.
Much more balanced account than Fox TV. ;-) Heh! Heh!

I think I'll go blow up a baby milk factory that looks suspiciously
like a chemical weapons plant.

TDD

On 6/7/2010 3:06 AM, harry wrote:
On Jun 6, 7:10�pm, The Daring
wrote:
On 6/6/2010 2:53 AM, harry wrote:





On Jun 5, 5:18 pm, The Daring
wrote:
On 6/5/2010 9:04 AM, harry wrote:

On Jun 5, 11:03 am, � wrote:
� wrote in message

...

On Jun 4, 6:08 pm, � wrote:
� wrote in message

...

On Jun 4, 3:46 pm, � wrote:
I've been as guilty as numerous others in perpetuating this wildly off
topic
thread for this newsgroup. However, as it refuses to die, here is my
contribution for the moment:

Although my politics is diametrically opposite, and I often find his
reasoning
to be flawed, occasionally Charles Krauthammer hits one right out of
the
ballpark. Everyone who has followed or contributed to this OT
discussion
of the
recent Israeli blockade incident should read this OP-ED piece in
today's
Washington Post:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...10/06/03/AR201...

You can find plenty of articles making the opposite argument. Is
Krauthammer a Jewish name? Yes it is. The man is a Jew. What sort of
article do you expect?
His name is in Wikipedia with a full report on his background.

Just as good as you posting articles from pro-palestinian sources such as
al-jazeera.

By the way, as long as you're quoting from Wiki, here's an article from
them
that states the British were using the King David Hotel as a military and
political headquarters. It also states that the Irgun gave plenty and
fair
warning of their attack to allow people to leave before but the warning
was
not heeded. Did your muslim friends and muslim allies do that for the
people of the Trade Center? You bet your ass they didn't because they are
slime like you are.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_Da...Hidequotedtext -

- Show quoted text -

So once again you are trying to justify terrorism. You started with
terrorism, you will die with it.

And that's exactly what is happening to the palestinians. You know who I
mean. The civilized, cultured, educated people that strap bombs to their
women and children and kill other women and children. The ones that fire
rockets and weapons hiding behind women and children so as to get Israel to
fire back at them and kill civilians. That's the terrorists I'm talking
about.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

When they don't have tanks& � aeroplanes it'a the only way they have to
fight. It's surprising how desperate some people will get. You will
never beat them with violence. But Jews are too stupid to understand
that.

Believe it or not, there have been Arab and Jewish communities here in
Birmingham, Alabama from the beginning, the city is only 140 years old.
When I was talking to a fairly recent Palestinian immigrant who is an
American citizen and came here as a child, he told me, "We don't have
jets, tanks and helicopters, we have suicide bombers. Those are our
tanks, jets and helicopters." There is a large group of Arab Christians
here too and when I was discussing The Middle East with one of my
friends from that community, I said "Heck, you're an Arab Catholic,
everybody over there hates you." He asked, "How did you know?" I said to
him "You're not Muslim and you're not Jewish, you belong to the smallest
minority in that area, nobody's got your back." He told me that was true
and said I should visit The Middle East with him some time, it would
blow my mind. I should probably leave my American flag T-shirt
at home.

TDD- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

BTW, I live near Birmingham too. � UK.

I'll bet there are/were steel mills there too.

TDD- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

No, Birminham (UK) was/is about motor cars and light engineering.
Sheffield was our steel industry centre. Much depleted these days.
They made Saddams monster gun there. (Project Babylon). That firm is
still going (Forgemasters)

I hope they got paid up front for the big gun.

TDD

"Kurt Ullman" wrote in message
news
In article ,
Oren wrote:

A couple weeks I'll be fine, not a real biggy. BTDT

I'm about 10 years on now and my ribs still hurt whenever I lay on that
side.

--
I want to find a voracious, small-minded predator
and name it after the IRS.
Robert Bakker, paleontologist

It never completely heals. It will always be a weak spot. I broke them
twice on different spots. Once about 40 years ago and then again about 30
years ago. It's deadly when I get a bad cough from a cold.

"harry" wrote in message
...
On Jun 6, 4:38�pm, "Sanity" wrote:
"harry" wrote in message

...





On Jun 6, 10:05 am, "Sanity" wrote:
"harry" wrote in message

...

On Jun 5, 5:18 pm, The Daring Dufas

wrote:
On 6/5/2010 9:04 AM, harry wrote:

On Jun 5, 11:03 am, wrote:
wrote in message

...

On Jun 4, 6:08 pm, wrote:
wrote in message

...

On Jun 4, 3:46 pm, wrote:
I've been as guilty as numerous others in perpetuating this
wildly
off
topic
thread for this newsgroup. However, as it refuses to die,
here
is
my
contribution for the moment:

Although my politics is diametrically opposite, and I often
find
his
reasoning
to be flawed, occasionally Charles Krauthammer hits one
right
out
of
the
ballpark. Everyone who has followed or contributed to this
OT
discussion
of the
recent Israeli blockade incident should read this OP-ED
piece
in
today's
Washington Post:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...10/06/03/AR201...

You can find plenty of articles making the opposite argument.
Is
Krauthammer a Jewish name? Yes it is. The man is a Jew. What
sort
of
article do you expect?
His name is in Wikipedia with a full report on his
background.

Just as good as you posting articles from pro-palestinian
sources
such as
al-jazeera.

By the way, as long as you're quoting from Wiki, here's an
article
from
them
that states the British were using the King David Hotel as a
military and
political headquarters. It also states that the Irgun gave
plenty
and
fair
warning of their attack to allow people to leave before but
the
warning
was
not heeded. Did your muslim friends and muslim allies do that
for
the
people of the Trade Center? You bet your ass they didn't
because
they are
slime like you are.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_Da...ing-Hidequoted
text -

- Show quoted text -

So once again you are trying to justify terrorism. You started
with
terrorism, you will die with it.

And that's exactly what is happening to the palestinians. You
know
who
I
mean. The civilized, cultured, educated people that strap bombs
to
their
women and children and kill other women and children. The ones
that
fire
rockets and weapons hiding behind women and children so as to
get
Israel to
fire back at them and kill civilians. That's the terrorists I'm
talking
about.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

When they don't have tanks& aeroplanes it'a the only way they
have
to
fight. It's surprising how desperate some people will get. You
will
never beat them with violence. But Jews are too stupid to
understand
that.

Believe it or not, there have been Arab and Jewish communities here
in
Birmingham, Alabama from the beginning, the city is only 140 years
old.
When I was talking to a fairly recent Palestinian immigrant who is
an
American citizen and came here as a child, he told me, "We don't
have
jets, tanks and helicopters, we have suicide bombers. Those are our
tanks, jets and helicopters." There is a large group of Arab
Christians
here too and when I was discussing The Middle East with one of my
friends from that community, I said "Heck, you're an Arab Catholic,
everybody over there hates you." He asked, "How did you know?" I
said
to
him "You're not Muslim and you're not Jewish, you belong to the
smallest
minority in that area, nobody's got your back." He told me that was
true
and said I should visit The Middle East with him some time, it
would
blow my mind. I should probably leave my American flag T-shirt
at home.

TDD- Hide quoted text -

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He is exactly right. You should definately go. You could adopted the
ploy of wearing a mini Canadian flag. Even English speakers can't
tell
the differance in the accent. A good place to start is Morrocco.
I have always been treated very kindly by Arabs. Even ones who
couldn't really afford it. Kindness to travellers is part of
Islaam. Due to the Arab nomadic cultural background

Last summer I took my grand daughter to the municipal pool for
swimming
lessons. One of the other girls mother was there too. She wore a scarf
so I
knew she was muslim. We talked twice and week and she seemed very
nice.
One
day she came to the pool wearing a T-shirt with "Jihad" across the
back
and
front. I asked her why she wore it. She told me it's her duty to fight
and
destroy the Jews. The next time I brought a small Israeli flag. The
woman
spit at me. Just shows, they are not interested in getting along no
matter
how nice you try to be. They are here and there to push their violent
and
uncivilized agenda, much like you.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

There is a history between you. �Evil Jews have stolen Arab lands.
She knows this. All can be seen on Aljazeera. All the Jewish
atrocities are coming out. Sometimes live on aljazeera. �Murder and
killings live on my TV.The time of reckoning is close.
�There has been diasporas in the past because you are so evil. �I
suppose your god was punishing you. � As you are still unrepentant,
it's gonna happen again. �And again. And again. �You never learn. Even
though your past is all recorded in the bible.
The end of (your) world is nigh!!!!!!!!

There you go again. �Al Jazeera. The muslim propaganda sheet and you
quote
that as facts. �Jews stole arab lands. � Hey ****ant, in the early 1900's
Jews BOUGHT the land from the arab landowners. �The arabs charged
exhorbitant prices and laughed at the Jews for buying desert land. �Now
look
at Israel and look at them. They turned this **** desert into one of the
worlds nicest metropolis'. �Learn your history and facts before you make
bold and stupid statements. �And keep reading Al Jazeera. �You'll really
learn a lot from them. �And when the muslims take over England, like they
are now, tell me how nice they are. �I have many friends, relatives that
live there so don't bull**** me.- Hide quoted text -

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Canaan was the land of milk and honey until the Jews ruined it.


To you and your loved ones.

"harry" wrote in message
...
On Jun 6, 4:41�pm, "Sanity" wrote:
"harry" wrote in message

...





On Jun 6, 10:32 am, aemeijers wrote:
Sanity wrote:

"harry" wrote in message
...
On Jun 5, 5:18 pm, The Daring Dufas

wrote:
On 6/5/2010 9:04 AM, harry wrote:

On Jun 5, 11:03 am, wrote:
wrote in message

...

On Jun 4, 6:08 pm, wrote:
wrote in message

...

On Jun 4, 3:46 pm, wrote:
I've been as guilty as numerous others in perpetuating this
wildly off
topic
thread for this newsgroup. However, as it refuses to die,
here
is my
contribution for the moment:

Although my politics is diametrically opposite, and I often
find his
reasoning
to be flawed, occasionally Charles Krauthammer hits one
right
out of
the
ballpark. Everyone who has followed or contributed to this
OT
discussion
of the
recent Israeli blockade incident should read this OP-ED
piece
in
today's
Washington Post:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...10/06/03/AR201...

You can find plenty of articles making the opposite
argument.
Is
Krauthammer a Jewish name? Yes it is. The man is a Jew. What
sort of
article do you expect?
His name is in Wikipedia with a full report on his
background.

Just as good as you posting articles from pro-palestinian
sources such as
al-jazeera.

By the way, as long as you're quoting from Wiki, here's an
article from
them
that states the British were using the King David Hotel as a
military and
political headquarters. It also states that the Irgun gave
plenty and
fair
warning of their attack to allow people to leave before but
the
warning
was
not heeded. Did your muslim friends and muslim allies do that
for the
people of the Trade Center? You bet your ass they didn't
because
they are
slime like you are.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_Da...ing-Hidequoted
text -

- Show quoted text -

So once again you are trying to justify terrorism. You started
with
terrorism, you will die with it.

And that's exactly what is happening to the palestinians. You
know
who I
mean. The civilized, cultured, educated people that strap bombs
to
their
women and children and kill other women and children. The ones
that fire
rockets and weapons hiding behind women and children so as to
get
Israel to
fire back at them and kill civilians. That's the terrorists I'm

talking
about.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

When they don't have tanks& aeroplanes it'a the only way they
have to
fight. It's surprising how desperate some people will get. You
will
never beat them with violence. But Jews are too stupid to
understand
that.

Believe it or not, there have been Arab and Jewish communities
here
in
Birmingham, Alabama from the beginning, the city is only 140 years
old.
When I was talking to a fairly recent Palestinian immigrant who is
an
American citizen and came here as a child, he told me, "We don't
have
jets, tanks and helicopters, we have suicide bombers. Those are
our
tanks, jets and helicopters." There is a large group of Arab
Christians
here too and when I was discussing The Middle East with one of my
friends from that community, I said "Heck, you're an Arab
Catholic,
everybody over there hates you." He asked, "How did you know?" I
said
to
him "You're not Muslim and you're not Jewish, you belong to the
smallest
minority in that area, nobody's got your back." He told me that
was
true
and said I should visit The Middle East with him some time, it
would
blow my mind. I should probably leave my American flag T-shirt
at home.

TDD- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

He is exactly right. You should definately go. You could adopted
the
ploy of wearing a mini Canadian flag. Even English speakers can't
tell
the differance in the accent. A good place to start is Morrocco.
I have always been treated very kindly by Arabs. Even ones who
couldn't really afford it. Kindness to travellers is part of
Islaam. Due to the Arab nomadic cultural background

Last summer I took my grand daughter to the municipal pool for
swimming
lessons. One of the other girls mother was there too. She wore a
scarf
so I knew she was muslim. We talked twice and week and she seemed
very
nice. One day she came to the pool wearing a T-shirt with "Jihad"
across
the back and front. I asked her why she wore it. She told me it's
her
duty to fight and destroy the Jews. The next time I brought a small
Israeli flag. The woman spit at me. Just shows, they are not
interested in getting along no matter how nice you try to be. They
are
here and there to push their violent and uncivilized agenda, much
like
you.

In situations like that, I find it hard to blame the individual. That
is
how they were raised/programmed, and few people anywhere ever get
beyond
that. Look at KKK in US, early part of 20th century. Things didn't
really change much until a generation after that organization was
largely broken by exposure to bright light and court actions. Even
today, talk to older folks in some areas (especially after a couple of
beers so their guard is down), and the old teachings come shining
through.

--
aem sends...- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Exactly like the Jews. There is no difference. �You can't get it into
your thick heads, these people are not going to disappear.
Hey, I've got an idea. �Gas chambers! �You could gas them all. �Might
as well. You've done everything else the Nazis did.

You're a ****ing idiot. �By the way, you still haven't answered my
question
about the King David hotel and the WTC. You know, the one where there was
military in the King David and none in the WTC and the one where the
Irgon
warned the people in the King David before the bombing. �What? �You have
no
answer? You're damned right you anti-semtic *******. And it's people like
you who deserve to be gassed. Perpetuators of lies and bigotry. �I wish
for
you and your love ones everything you wish for the Jews. �How's that?-
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I think the other guy said it all, He was Jewish too wasn't he.

To you and your loved ones.

"harry" wrote in message
...
On Jun 6, 7:06�pm, The Daring Dufas
wrote:
On 6/6/2010 9:15 AM, Peter wrote:





On 6/6/2010 5:32 AM, aemeijers wrote:

In situations like that, I find it hard to blame the individual. That
is
how they were raised/programmed, and few people anywhere ever get
beyond
that. Look at KKK in US, early part of 20th century. Things didn't
really change much until a generation after that organization was
largely broken by exposure to bright light and court actions. Even
today, talk to older folks in some areas (especially after a couple of
beers so their guard is down), and the old teachings come shining
through.

I don't accept the fact that people are programmed by their upbringing.
If that were the case, culture would remain constant, and the
religious,
political, and other societal tastes and belief of the parents would
always be shared by their children.

Of course people are heavily influenced by their upbringing. But you
are
ignoring the fact that many people respond to their upbringing by
questioning the veracity of what they've been told, often deciding that
their parent's values are "old fashioned" and sometimes even rejecting
them outright. However, in order to do that, the individuals have to be
inquisitive - usually a key indicator of intelligence. But, be careful
not to conflate intelligence with education. An unintelligent person is
very adept at rejecting what they are taught if those teachings
conflict
with their previous beliefs. Only the intelligent are able to integrate
new knowledge without feeling threatened and make their own choices
based on more data.

The fact that older folks become set in their ways and more commonly
believe as they did when they were in their young adulthood (your KKK
example) is not relevant to the argument. I'll cite the example of
emerging tolerance for homosexuals in the U.S. Almost all surveys show
that the younger the demographic slice, the more tolerant the values.
So
much for parental "programming".

A good example of rejecting the old ways may be the young people of Iran.

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The problem is you only see what's in front of the camera. not what's
just off screen. Most of these guys have an agenda, they go looking
for "facts" to fit what they want to portray. You need to visit
yourself or failng that, to collect information from various
sources. I collect all my information about America from Aljazeera.
Much more balanced account than Fox TV. ;-) Heh! Heh!

To you and your loved ones and Al Jazeera

"harry" wrote in message
...
On Jun 7, 12:12�am, siais wrote:
[snip]



And while your ancestors were painting themselves blue and eating each
other, mine were writing the Bible.

slightly more sophisticated bull****.

I thought child sacrifice was a Jewish thing too. Golden cows. etc.

To you and your loved ones.

"harry" wrote in message
...
On Jun 7, 12:39�am, "Sanity" wrote:
"Kurt Ullman" wrote in message

m...





In article ,
David Nebenzahl wrote:

You said "The first rocket that landed near my house or family would
be
the last. I'd go after the *******s and make sure they never did it
again." Fine, fair enough; I take you at your word on that.

Now imagine you are a *Palestinian* whose house has just been fired on
by a rocket. And not a ridiculously crude Qassam but a
precision-guided
Hellfire fired from an attack helicopter by the IDF.

� � So you are essentially saying the Palestinians get a bye because
they use second rate equipment in their attempts to kill Israelis?

--
�I want to find a voracious, small-minded predator
and name it after the IRS.
Robert Bakker, paleontologist

I may be stupid but I never started a fight with someone much bigger than
I
am.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

That is the talk of cowards. The USA has nevr started a war with
anyone bigger tham it's self. You even needed pur help with Iraq and
Afghanistan.
We on the other hand have never hesitated to fight tyranny. Th US
only fights for money.
The Palestinians are fighting for what's theirs. What's right.

You're right. England never fought a war that the US didn't fight for them,
with them or supplied them. When you gonna pay us back the money you owe
us? And when was the last war you won without our help?

Sanity wrote:

That is the talk of cowards. The USA has nevr started a war with
anyone bigger tham it's self. You even needed pur help with Iraq and
Afghanistan.
We on the other hand have never hesitated to fight tyranny. Th US
only fights for money.
The Palestinians are fighting for what's theirs. What's right.

You're right. England never fought a war that the US didn't fight for
them, with them or supplied them. When you gonna pay us back the
money you owe us? And when was the last war you won without our
help?

England has fought MANY wars without U.S. help.

All over the world.

Including against the Jews striving for independence in Palestine
(Trans-Jordan).

On 6/7/2010 5:08 AM, Sanity wrote:


That is the talk of cowards. The USA has nevr started a war with
anyone bigger tham it's self. You even needed pur help with Iraq and
Afghanistan.
We on the other hand have never hesitated to fight tyranny. Th US
only fights for money.
The Palestinians are fighting for what's theirs. What's right.

You're right. England never fought a war that the US didn't fight for
them, with them or supplied them. When you gonna pay us back the money
you owe us? And when was the last war you won without our help?

Did I just see Harry write that the "USA has nevr [sic] started a war with
anyone bigger tham [sic] it's [sic] self?" This, from a Brit??? I guess the
schools over there no longer teach English, and are too embarrassed to teach
their children about the war they lost with the USA back around 1776-1781 when
the USA was the smaller and weaker power in that fight.

On 6/6/2010 4:29 PM, zzzzzzzzzz wrote:


Except that in Iran the old way isn't all that old. There was a rather
sizable middle class before the Islamic nutcases took over.

Reminds me of the U.S. before the right wing nutcases took over.

On Jun 7, 10:08�am, "Sanity" wrote:
"harry" wrote in message

...





On Jun 7, 12:39 am, "Sanity" wrote:
"Kurt Ullman" wrote in message

news:IdCdnS30IO88t5HRnZ2dnUVZ_hCdnZ2d@earthlink. com...

In article ,
David Nebenzahl wrote:

You said "The first rocket that landed near my house or family would
be
the last. I'd go after the *******s and make sure they never did it
again." Fine, fair enough; I take you at your word on that.

Now imagine you are a *Palestinian* whose house has just been fired on
by a rocket. And not a ridiculously crude Qassam but a
precision-guided
Hellfire fired from an attack helicopter by the IDF.

So you are essentially saying the Palestinians get a bye because
they use second rate equipment in their attempts to kill Israelis?

--
I want to find a voracious, small-minded predator
and name it after the IRS.
Robert Bakker, paleontologist

I may be stupid but I never started a fight with someone much bigger than
I
am.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

That is the talk of cowards. �The USA has nevr started a war with
anyone bigger tham it's self. You even needed pur help with Iraq and
Afghanistan.
We on the other hand have never hesitated to fight tyranny. �Th US
only fights for money.
The Palestinians are fighting for what's theirs. �What's right.

You're right. England never fought a war that the US didn't fight for them,
with them or supplied them. �When you gonna pay us back the money you owe
us? � And when was the last war you won without our help?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

We have been fighting tyrants for more than a thousand years.
Falkland islands.
When was the last war YOU won without our help.
Hmmm. Vietnam? Oh sorry, you lost. We weren't there to help you.

On Jun 7, 2:02�pm, "HeyBub" wrote:
Sanity wrote:

That is the talk of cowards. �The USA has nevr started a war with
anyone bigger tham it's self. You even needed pur help with Iraq and
Afghanistan.
We on the other hand have never hesitated to fight tyranny. �Th US
only fights for money.
The Palestinians are fighting for what's theirs. �What's right..

You're right. England never fought a war that the US didn't fight for
them, with them or supplied them. �When you gonna pay us back the
money you owe us? � And when was the last war you won without our
help?

England has fought MANY wars without U.S. help.

All over the world.

Including against the Jews striving for independence in Palestine
(Trans-Jordan).

That's right. PALESTINE.

On Jun 7, 2:18�pm, Peter wrote:
On 6/7/2010 5:08 AM, Sanity wrote:



That is the talk of cowards. The USA has nevr started a war with
anyone bigger tham it's self. You even needed pur help with Iraq and
Afghanistan.
We on the other hand have never hesitated to fight tyranny. Th US
only fights for money.
The Palestinians are fighting for what's theirs. What's right.

You're right. England never fought a war that the US didn't fight for
them, with them or supplied them. When you gonna pay us back the money
you owe us? And when was the last war you won without our help?

Did I just see Harry write that the "USA has nevr [sic] started a war with
anyone bigger tham [sic] it's [sic] self?" �This, from a Brit??? � I guess the
schools over there no longer teach English, and are too embarrassed to teach
their children about the war they lost with the USA back around 1776-1781 when
the USA was the smaller and weaker power in that fight.

The French won that war for you You should be gratefull to them.
Do I need to teach you your own history once again?

England has fought MANY wars without U.S. help.

All over the world.

Including against the Jews striving for independence in Palestine
(Trans-Jordan).


Yes. Against the Arabs and lost. Name a major war that they have won in the
last 200 years.

And by the way, they lost the war against the Jews in Palestine. They
couldn't stop the Jews no matter how hard they tried. They were thrilled
with the UN mandate so that they could retreat with their tales between
their legs.