http://digg.com/world_news/American_...ffici al_says

On Apr 12, 3:51*pm, "Matt" wrote:
http://digg.com/world_news/American_...ates_killed_U_...

GO NAVY!

Robatoy wrote:

On Apr 12, 3:51Â*pm, "Matt" wrote:
http://digg.com/world_news/American_...ates_killed_U_...

GO NAVY!
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On Apr 12, 4:33*pm, evodawg wrote:
Robatoy wrote:
On Apr 12, 3:51*pm, "Matt" wrote:
http://digg.com/world_news/American_...ates_killed_U_....

GO NAVY!

Go SEALS
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but you can't make them THINK"
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Fantastic results.

Matt wrote:
http://digg.com/world_news/American_...ffici al_says

Outstanding!

But you can't win this conflict on the sea, you have to destroy the nest
that's on land.

They've got one survivor. He can be encouraged to divulge their home port
which, about a half-hour later, should cease to exist. That's what we did in
1802 and 1907. That's what we should do now.

Roosevelt: "The American people want Pedicaris alive or Raisuli dead...The
fate of the nation will be decided by the American people in November, and
the fate of Morocco will be decided tomorrow by me. And now, if you don't
mind, I'd just like to be alone with my bear!"

HeyBub wrote:
Matt wrote:
http://digg.com/world_news/American_...ffici al_says

Outstanding!

But you can't win this conflict on the sea, you have to destroy the nest
that's on land.

They've got one survivor. He can be encouraged to divulge their home port
which, about a half-hour later, should cease to exist. That's what we did in
1802 and 1907. That's what we should do now.

Roosevelt: "The American people want Pedicaris alive or Raisuli dead...The
fate of the nation will be decided by the American people in November, and
the fate of Morocco will be decided tomorrow by me. And now, if you don't
mind, I'd just like to be alone with my bear!"

Hostis humani generis

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HeyBub wrote:

But you can't win this conflict on the sea, you have to destroy the nest
that's on land.

Which nest - the one near Mudug or the ones at the other end of that
location's (satellite) internet connection?

They've got one survivor. He can be encouraged to divulge their home port
which, about a half-hour later, should cease to exist. That's what we did in
1802 and 1907. That's what we should do now.

Hmm - and how many hostages will that kill?

CERN has satellite views available at

http://unosat.web.cern.ch/unosat/fre...A2_Highres.pdf

and I imagine the DOD birds provide considerably more detail.

Perhaps it might be more productive to follow the internet traffic and
the money - and then quietly convert the money-movers and the
weapons-dealers to chum.

2c

--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/

On Sun, 12 Apr 2009 14:09:36 -0700 (PDT), Charlie Self
wrote:

On Apr 12, 4:33*pm, evodawg wrote:
Robatoy wrote:
On Apr 12, 3:51*pm, "Matt" wrote:
http://digg.com/world_news/American_...ates_killed_U_...

GO NAVY!

Go SEALS
--
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but you can't make them THINK"
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Fantastic results.


Yes, indeed!!!

There was a tongue-in-cheek opinion among Marines at the time of my
tour that the worst thing you could do is give a Swabbie a rifle and
run him up on the beach. I'm very happy to see a counter example to
that opinion. Well done, Navy!!!

Saw one news blurb that almost apologetically mentioned that pirates
were killed in the rescue. My reaction was "Who gives a royal ****
that they were killed."

Tom Veatch
Wichita, KS
USA

"Stuart" wrote:

I believe that during WWII we had some special ships, just looked
like
ordinary merchant ships but with concealed armaments. Should deploy
a few
of those, wait for the pirates to turn up and blow the *******s out
of the
water - no questions asked.


Firearms leave a trail.

Give me a vessel equipped as a fire boat.

Wash the decks CLEAN with 1,500 GMM from an 8" nozzle.

About like washing bug splatter from the windshield of your car.

Ship would be clean with nothing to trace except sea water and you're
providing something for the sharks to investigate.

Lew

Tom Veatch wrote:
On Sun, 12 Apr 2009 14:09:36 -0700 (PDT), Charlie Self
wrote:

On Apr 12, 4:33 pm, evodawg wrote:
Robatoy wrote:
On Apr 12, 3:51 pm, "Matt" wrote:
http://digg.com/world_news/American_...ates_killed_U_...
GO NAVY!
Go SEALS
--
"You can lead them to LINUX
but you can't make them THINK"
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Website Addresshttp://rentmyhusband.biz/
Fantastic results.


Yes, indeed!!!

Agreed.

There was a tongue-in-cheek opinion among Marines at the time of my
tour that the worst thing you could do is give a Swabbie a rifle and
run him up on the beach. I'm very happy to see a counter example to
that opinion. Well done, Navy!!!

Old ex-Army paratrooper: "And the guy only had to jump overboard twice
before the swabbies had it figured out!" ;-)

Saw one news blurb that almost apologetically mentioned that pirates
were killed in the rescue. My reaction was "Who gives a royal ****
that they were killed."

Probably neither you nor I - but their families might...

--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/

Tom Veatch wrote:

On Sun, 12 Apr 2009 14:09:36 -0700 (PDT), Charlie Self
wrote:

On Apr 12, 4:33Â*pm, evodawg wrote:
Robatoy wrote:
On Apr 12, 3:51Â*pm, "Matt" wrote:

http://digg.com/world_news/American_...ates_killed_U_...

GO NAVY!

Go SEALS
--
"You can lead them to LINUX
but you can't make them THINK"
Running Mandriva release 2008.0 free-i586 using KDE on i586
Website Addresshttp://rentmyhusband.biz/

Fantastic results.


Yes, indeed!!!

There was a tongue-in-cheek opinion among Marines at the time of my
tour that the worst thing you could do is give a Swabbie a rifle and
run him up on the beach. I'm very happy to see a counter example to
that opinion. Well done, Navy!!!

Saw one news blurb that almost apologetically mentioned that pirates
were killed in the rescue. My reaction was "Who gives a royal ****
that they were killed."

Tom Veatch
Wichita, KS
USA

Good that they kept one alive. Now all they need is Jack Bauer to extract
some info out of him. Oh I forgot Obama's words "we don't torture"..
Shucks!!!

--
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but you can't make them THINK"
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Website Address http://rentmyhusband.biz/

On Sun, 12 Apr 2009 23:28:22 +0100, Stuart
wrote:

In article ,
HeyBub wrote:

They've got one survivor. He can be encouraged to divulge their home
port which, about a half-hour later, should cease to exist. That's what
we did in 1802 and 1907. That's what we should do now.

They're probably spread out along the coast in all sorts of little hidden
bays.

I believe that during WWII we had some special ships, just looked like
ordinary merchant ships but with concealed armaments. Should deploy a few
of those, wait for the pirates to turn up and blow the *******s out of the
water - no questions asked.


What happened to all those guys from Blackwater? Arene't a lot of
them unemployed these days? How much could it cost to put a few of
them on a merchant ship, with armament of their choice?

Reply-to address is real
John

Killing bankers won't stop the piracy. You have to cut the head off
of the snake and wipe the nest out.

The area has been a cess pool for years. The war lords killed off the
government and then couldn't decide who or how to run a government.

I say start them over.

Martin

Morris Dovey wrote:
HeyBub wrote:

But you can't win this conflict on the sea, you have to destroy the
nest that's on land.

Which nest - the one near Mudug or the ones at the other end of that
location's (satellite) internet connection?

They've got one survivor. He can be encouraged to divulge their home
port which, about a half-hour later, should cease to exist. That's
what we did in 1802 and 1907. That's what we should do now.

Hmm - and how many hostages will that kill?

CERN has satellite views available at

http://unosat.web.cern.ch/unosat/fre...A2_Highres.pdf


and I imagine the DOD birds provide considerably more detail.

Perhaps it might be more productive to follow the internet traffic and
the money - and then quietly convert the money-movers and the
weapons-dealers to chum.

2c

On 2009-04-12, Swingman wrote:

Hostis humani generis

aquia plankto terrapostualus!

nb

Martin H. Eastburn wrote:

Killing bankers won't stop the piracy. You have to cut the head off
of the snake and wipe the nest out.

Then it'd be a good idea to identify the "head of the snake". Somehow I
doubt that it's the grunts out on the water.

There have been over $60 million dollars in ransoms paid by shipping
companies. Those funds have been converted to spendable form by
/someone/ and again, I doubt it's the grunts out on the water.

I don't care if it's the Russian mafia or an exec at Credit Suisse -
whoever it is is (to my way of thinking, YMMV) is an accomplice to the
piracies, and should be held to account for their participation.

There is apparently some reason to believe that the pirate operations
have been funded at least in part by wealthy parties - and should that
be proven true, I think that their complete assets should be taken to
compensate first the shipping companies for the ransoms and losses due
to having their vessels out of service, secondly the hostage crew
members for their time in captivity, and thirdly any assets left over
should be used under UN supervision to improve conditions in Somalia -
perhaps starting with repatriation and restoration of some semblance of
normal (pre-genocide) life in the Darfur region.

The area has been a cess pool for years. The war lords killed off the
government and then couldn't decide who or how to run a government.

I say start them over.

That's a tall order and much easier said than done. Are you ready to
spend the next ten years of /your/ life "starting them over"? Are you
prepared to require your offspring to pay for you to make that effort?

If not, then it might be helpful if you'd explain more clearly what you
meant, who's to do that job, and how it's going to be funded.

--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/

"Morris Dovey" wrote in message
Saw one news blurb that almost apologetically mentioned that pirates
were killed in the rescue. My reaction was "Who gives a royal ****
that they were killed."

Probably neither you nor I - but their families might...

Right Morris, but if the families are that concerned, they should talk them
into another line of work. They could sell Amway instead.

They made the choice to play with guns.

In article , Morris Dovey wrote:

There is apparently some reason to believe that the pirate operations
have been funded at least in part by wealthy parties - and should that
be proven true, I think that their complete assets should be taken to
compensate first the shipping companies for the ransoms and losses due
to having their vessels out of service, secondly the hostage crew
members for their time in captivity, and thirdly any assets left over
should be used under UN supervision to improve conditions in Somalia -
perhaps starting with repatriation and restoration of some semblance of
normal (pre-genocide) life in the Darfur region.

Improving conditions in Somalia, while a laudable goal, has nothing to do with
the genocide in Darfur, which is some 3000km, and two international borders,
to the west in Sudan.

Ed Pawlowski wrote:
"Morris Dovey" wrote in message
Saw one news blurb that almost apologetically mentioned that pirates
were killed in the rescue. My reaction was "Who gives a royal ****
that they were killed."
Probably neither you nor I - but their families might...

Right Morris, but if the families are that concerned, they should talk them
into another line of work. They could sell Amway instead.

Yessir... and Mary Kay Cosmetics, and Tupperware, and Avon, and...
encyclopedias. Especially encyclopedias. Burial plots, too.

They made the choice to play with guns.

Yeah, although I wonder how many of 'em had wanted to be pirates when
they grew up...

--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/

Morris Dovey wrote:

Ed Pawlowski wrote:
"Morris Dovey" wrote in message
Saw one news blurb that almost apologetically mentioned that pirates
were killed in the rescue. My reaction was "Who gives a royal ****
that they were killed."
Probably neither you nor I - but their families might...

Right Morris, but if the families are that concerned, they should talk
them
into another line of work. They could sell Amway instead.

Yessir... and Mary Kay Cosmetics, and Tupperware, and Avon, and...
encyclopedias. Especially encyclopedias. Burial plots, too.

They made the choice to play with guns.

Yeah, although I wonder how many of 'em had wanted to be pirates when
they grew up...


Hey they started chewing that Weed which makes them higher then kites when
just infants. Most haven't a clue what they're doing. Guess you could say
they're the "Walking Dead".. So someone needs to stop them from
walking..Specially if they're walking with a rifle.

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but you can't make them THINK"
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On Apr 12, 10:51*pm, Morris Dovey wrote:
Ed Pawlowski wrote:
"Morris Dovey" wrote in message
Saw one news blurb that almost apologetically mentioned that pirates
were killed in the rescue. My reaction was "Who gives a royal ****
that they were killed."
Probably neither you nor I - but their families might...

Right Morris, but if the families are that concerned, they should talk them
into another line of work. *They could sell Amway instead.

Yessir... and Mary Kay Cosmetics, and Tupperware, and Avon, and...
encyclopedias. Especially encyclopedias. Burial plots, too.

They made the choice to play with guns.

Yeah, although I wonder how many of 'em had wanted to be pirates when
they grew up...

--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USAhttp://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/

There always seems to be another point of view. It all depends on
where you're standing at the time, eh?

http://www.fourwinds10.com/siterun_d...p?q=1239471001

"evodawg" wrote in message
...

Hey they started chewing that Weed which makes them higher then kites when
just infants. Most haven't a clue what they're doing. Guess you could say
they're the "Walking Dead".. So someone needs to stop them from
walking.
--
"You can lead them to LINUX
but you can't make them THINK"

Say... Does anyone else see the irony?

Doug Miller wrote:
In article , Morris Dovey wrote:

There is apparently some reason to believe that the pirate operations
have been funded at least in part by wealthy parties - and should that
be proven true, I think that their complete assets should be taken to
compensate first the shipping companies for the ransoms and losses due
to having their vessels out of service, secondly the hostage crew
members for their time in captivity, and thirdly any assets left over
should be used under UN supervision to improve conditions in Somalia -
perhaps starting with repatriation and restoration of some semblance of
normal (pre-genocide) life in the Darfur region.

Improving conditions in Somalia, while a laudable goal, has nothing to do with
the genocide in Darfur, which is some 3000km, and two international borders,
to the west in Sudan.

You're correct, but...

I'm not sure that borders have a great deal to do with any of what's
going on in the region, other than to excuse non-pursuit across
boundaries of those folks who've decided that rule of law doesn't solve
their problems or meet their needs. The importance that westerners
attach to national boundaries is not universal.

The piracy problem in Somalia bears more than just a passing resemblance
to the (foreign) oil producer extortions and kidnappings still farther
west. It doesn't take much imagination to find elements of these
behavioral modes in activities like the Nigerian internet-based scams.
Different perps, but (IMO) similarly rooted in a desperate notion that
in order to get one's "fair share" of the planet's wealth, one must
wrest it from those who appear to have more than their share.

It struck me some time ago that anyone with a healthy family and a full
belly was unlikely to pick up a gun or strap on a suicide vest.

I don't think removing four Somali pirates (or even blowing up a pirate
HQ) is going to produce any noticeable change.

Along with playing whack-a-mole with zero-sum predators, we might better
serve everyone (including ourselves) by finding more effective permanent
solutions to the healthy family and full belly problems.

--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/

"Morris Dovey" wrote:

It struck me some time ago that anyone with a healthy family and a
full belly was unlikely to pick up a gun or strap on a suicide vest.


That idea has been suggested to solve the world's aggression problems
for probably more years than either one of us have lived.

Only problem seems to be getting some agreement on how to implement
it.

Lew

HeyBub wrote:

Matt wrote:
http://digg.com/world_news/American_...ffici al_says

Outstanding!

But you can't win this conflict on the sea, you have to destroy the
nest that's on land.

They've got one survivor. He can be encouraged to divulge their home
port which, about a half-hour later, should cease to exist. That's
what we did in 1802 and 1907. That's what we should do now.

The day in which it is possible to annihilate villages full of women and
children because some bad guys are based there is probably passed, at least
for America. So while this idea would probably be quite successful it isn't
about to happen. What might be effective is the use of Q-ships such as the
British invented in WWI. An assortment of helpless-looking commercial
vessels, yachts etc. concealing Special Forces teams augmented with some
heavier metal would result in pirate vessels never returning home and with
no explanation being apparent. The element of uncertainty would be
discouraging....

Of course so long as Somalia is a hell-hole with no effective government and
famine, disease etc. being commonplace then there will be no shortage of men
willing to risk all for almost unimaginable fortunes by their reckoning.

Morris Dovey wrote:

It struck me some time ago that anyone with a healthy family and a full
belly was unlikely to pick up a gun or strap on a suicide vest.

The 9/11 perps weren't bloated belly, starving folks. On the contrary,
they seemed to be well educated, some of which education led to their
actions. The British bus bombers had a fairly good life situation other
than being led down the Islamic fundamentalist religious path...

Lew Hodgett wrote:
"Morris Dovey" wrote:

It struck me some time ago that anyone with a healthy family and a
full belly was unlikely to pick up a gun or strap on a suicide vest.

That idea has been suggested to solve the world's aggression problems
for probably more years than either one of us have lived.

Only problem seems to be getting some agreement on how to implement
it.

I noticed that. I decided to make agreement a non-problem by taking
the bit between my teeth and seeing if anyone would follow.

I also noticed that the "healthy family" part wasn't completely separate
from the "full belly" problem (not much rocket surgery there).

The "full belly" problem, when it actually /was/ a problem seemed to
resolve into a problem of having water in the wrong place - a concept
that crystallized for me when I heard a Minnesota farm neighbor talking
about recent heavy rains. "None or too much", he quipped - and so gave
me a flash of insight that extended well beyond rain.

That was 30 years ago, and by a really strange chain of events, I ended
up designing a cheap/simple/reliable engine/pump that can be powered
directly by sunshine - no gas, oil, or electricity needed. (The wreck's
Canukistani stirmeister provided some of the early encouragement and
suggestions.)

It's working - not as well as I'd like, but it /is/ working. There's a
picture of the weird engine at the bottom of

http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/Projects/Stirling/Dyne.html

and the really good news is my off-the-wall efforts have been joined in
the past month or so by a team of students in Pakistan and a very
capable researcher in France. Their work can be seen at

http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/Projects/Stirling/Elsewhere/

There's still much to be done, but I've been encouraged that (unlike the
cold fusion research) the present engine has been successfully
duplicated elsewhere - and it appears to be simple enough for people to
build and maintain for themselves.

Interestingly, two of these engines can be coupled together to make a
heat pump for cooling/refrigeration. There's a bit about that tucked
into the web page at

http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/Journey.html

I'm hoping the pump will help irrigate the crops to fill more bellies
and so help families to be healthier - and maybe, just maybe, help
reduce some of that desperation.

Anyone who'd like to join in is welcome.

--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/

Morris Dovey wrote:
Ed Pawlowski wrote:
"Morris Dovey" wrote in message
Saw one news blurb that almost apologetically mentioned that
pirates were killed in the rescue. My reaction was "Who gives a
royal **** that they were killed."
Probably neither you nor I - but their families might...

Right Morris, but if the families are that concerned, they should
talk them into another line of work. They could sell Amway instead.

Yessir... and Mary Kay Cosmetics, and Tupperware, and Avon, and...
encyclopedias. Especially encyclopedias. Burial plots, too.

They made the choice to play with guns.

Yeah, although I wonder how many of 'em had wanted to be pirates when
they grew up...

It was either that or corporate CEO. Oh, wait...they're the same.

--

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____________________________

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Morris Dovey wrote:
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/Journey.html

I'm hoping the pump will help irrigate the crops to fill more bellies
and so help families to be healthier - and maybe, just maybe, help
reduce some of that desperation.

Anyone who'd like to join in is welcome.

Well done, Morris! ... and while you should be commended for both the
hard work and altruism, it's a damned shame that there are more and more
folks who would prefer that you do the work and then provide them with
the fruits of *your* labor, gratis.

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KarlC@ (the obvious)

On Apr 12, 7:34*pm, Tom Veatch wrote:
On Sun, 12 Apr 2009 14:09:36 -0700 (PDT), Charlie Self



wrote:
On Apr 12, 4:33*pm, evodawg wrote:
Robatoy wrote:
On Apr 12, 3:51*pm, "Matt" wrote:
http://digg.com/world_news/American_...ates_killed_U_...

GO NAVY!

Go SEALS
--
"You can lead them to LINUX
but you can't make them THINK"
Running Mandriva release 2008.0 free-i586 using KDE on i586
Website Addresshttp://rentmyhusband.biz/

Fantastic results.

Yes, indeed!!!

There was a tongue-in-cheek opinion among Marines at the time of my
tour that the worst thing you could do is give a Swabbie a rifle and
run him up on the beach. I'm very happy to see a counter example to
that opinion. Well done, Navy!!!

Saw one news blurb that almost apologetically mentioned that pirates
were killed in the rescue. My reaction was "Who gives a royal ****
that they were killed."

Tom Veatch
Wichita, KS
USA

Actually, as another former Marine, I am delighted that was a planned
part of the operation. Let's the ****s know what's in store for the
next group, too.

Semper fi!

On Apr 12, 10:12*pm, "Ed Pawlowski" wrote:
"Morris Dovey" wrote in message
Saw one news blurb that almost apologetically mentioned that pirates
were killed in the rescue. My reaction was "Who gives a royal ****
that they were killed."

Probably neither you nor I - but their families might...

Right Morris, but if the families are that concerned, they should talk them
into another line of work. *They could sell Amway instead.

They made the choice to play with guns.

Sure, Amway. Something does need to be done to help improve conditions
in the area, so that piracy is a less attractive option. With a few
more operations such as the one yesterday, piracy is going to look
less good to unemployed, and unemployable, youth, but there seem to be
few other options avaiable.

What I can't understand is how these impoverished people come by all
their AK47s and RPGs and other weapons, none of which, in operating
conditon, is cheap. Not to mention the ammo they seem to blast into
the air every few minutes to express anger, joy, dismay or peaceful
intent.

On Apr 12, 11:50*pm, "MikeWhy" wrote:
"evodawg" wrote in message

...

Hey they started chewing that Weed which makes them higher then kites when
just infants. Most haven't a clue what they're doing. Guess you could say
they're the "Walking Dead".. So someone needs to stop them from
walking.
--
"You can lead them to LINUX
but you can't make them THINK"

Say... Does anyone else see the irony?

Hard not to.

Charlie Self wrote:

On Apr 12, 10:12*pm, "Ed Pawlowski" wrote:
"Morris Dovey" wrote in message
Saw one news blurb that almost apologetically mentioned that pirates
were killed in the rescue. My reaction was "Who gives a royal ****
that they were killed."

Probably neither you nor I - but their families might...

Right Morris, but if the families are that concerned, they should talk them
into another line of work. *They could sell Amway instead.

They made the choice to play with guns.

Sure, Amway. Something does need to be done to help improve conditions
in the area, so that piracy is a less attractive option. With a few
more operations such as the one yesterday, piracy is going to look
less good to unemployed, and unemployable, youth, but there seem to be
few other options avaiable.

What I can't understand is how these impoverished people come by all
their AK47s and RPGs and other weapons, none of which, in operating
conditon, is cheap. Not to mention the ammo they seem to blast into
the air every few minutes to express anger, joy, dismay or peaceful
intent.

AKs are one of the most copied weapons in the world , china makes millions of them .

The old soviet block and the west have supplied weapons and ammunition to the varous
African states for decades.

Charlie Self wrote:
On Apr 12, 7:34 pm, Tom Veatch wrote:
On Sun, 12 Apr 2009 14:09:36 -0700 (PDT), Charlie Self



wrote:
On Apr 12, 4:33 pm, evodawg wrote:
Robatoy wrote:
On Apr 12, 3:51 pm, "Matt" wrote:
http://digg.com/world_news/American_...ates_killed_U_...
GO NAVY!
Go SEALS
--
"You can lead them to LINUX
but you can't make them THINK"
Running Mandriva release 2008.0 free-i586 using KDE on i586
Website Addresshttp://rentmyhusband.biz/
Fantastic results.
Yes, indeed!!!

There was a tongue-in-cheek opinion among Marines at the time of my
tour that the worst thing you could do is give a Swabbie a rifle and
run him up on the beach. I'm very happy to see a counter example to
that opinion. Well done, Navy!!!

Saw one news blurb that almost apologetically mentioned that pirates
were killed in the rescue. My reaction was "Who gives a royal ****
that they were killed."

Tom Veatch
Wichita, KS
USA

Actually, as another former Marine, I am delighted that was a planned
part of the operation. Let's the ****s know what's in store for the
next group, too.

Semper fi!

It's good to see, even if only occasionally in this cultural climate
change, that if you **** with the bull, you get the horns ...


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"Charlie Self" wrote in message
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On Apr 12, 10:12 pm, "Ed Pawlowski" wrote:
"Morris Dovey" wrote in message
Saw one news blurb that almost apologetically mentioned that pirates
were killed in the rescue. My reaction was "Who gives a royal ****
that they were killed."

Probably neither you nor I - but their families might...

Right Morris, but if the families are that concerned, they should talk
them
into another line of work. They could sell Amway instead.

They made the choice to play with guns.

Snip

What I can't understand is how these impoverished people come by all
their AK47s and RPGs and other weapons, none of which, in operating
conditon, is cheap. Not to mention the ammo they seem to blast into
the air every few minutes to express anger, joy, dismay or peaceful
intent.


They had the ability to steal on the high seas, I imagine stealing what they
wanted on the ground may have been less trouble. They steal what they want
and need.

John wrote:
On Sun, 12 Apr 2009 23:28:22 +0100, Stuart
wrote:

In article ,
HeyBub wrote:

They've got one survivor. He can be encouraged to divulge their home
port which, about a half-hour later, should cease to exist. That's
what we did in 1802 and 1907. That's what we should do now.

They're probably spread out along the coast in all sorts of little
hidden bays.

I believe that during WWII we had some special ships, just looked
like ordinary merchant ships but with concealed armaments. Should
deploy a few of those, wait for the pirates to turn up and blow the
*******s out of the water - no questions asked.


What happened to all those guys from Blackwater? Arene't a lot of
them unemployed these days? How much could it cost to put a few of
them on a merchant ship, with armament of their choice?

You mean set a pirate to catch a pirate?

Stuart wrote:
In article ,
Morris Dovey wrote:

It struck me some time ago that anyone with a healthy family and a full
belly was unlikely to pick up a gun or strap on a suicide vest.

Unless motivated by religious extremism -|

Very true - and it's worth noting that although religious extremism pops
up in many guises, its most common threads appear to be the fear and
desperation that result from the inability to find a path from yesterday
to tomorrow.

--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/

On Apr 13, 7:16*am, Charlie Self wrote:
On Apr 12, 10:12*pm, "Ed Pawlowski" wrote:

"Morris Dovey" wrote in message
Saw one news blurb that almost apologetically mentioned that pirates
were killed in the rescue. My reaction was "Who gives a royal ****
that they were killed."

Probably neither you nor I - but their families might...

Right Morris, but if the families are that concerned, they should talk them
into another line of work. *They could sell Amway instead.

They made the choice to play with guns.

Sure, Amway. Something does need to be done to help improve conditions
in the area, so that piracy is a less attractive option. With a few
more operations such as the one yesterday, piracy is going to look
less good to unemployed, and unemployable, youth, but there seem to be
few other options avaiable.

What I can't understand is how these impoverished people come by all
their AK47s and RPGs and other weapons, none of which, in operating
conditon, is cheap. Not to mention the ammo they seem to blast into
the air every few minutes to express anger, joy, dismay or peaceful
intent.

That could explain this?:

http://www.idahostatesman.com/worldn...ry/729917.html

There are always a few misguided people who think everything is stage-
craft. (AKA Never mind what it is..what does it LOOK like?)(AKA HOW
can we score political points with the tax-paying serfs so they keep
thinking we're all heroes?)

But *I* think that Ted Nugent's suggestion that if you drill a few car-
jackers, right through the door of your car, and putting a .45 on your
lap as you drive through bad areas of Detroit, had a LOT to do with
that car-jacking incident rate dropping like a stone. Nobody likes
their junk shot off.

THAT is change *I* can believe in.

Swingman wrote:
Morris Dovey wrote:
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/Journey.html

I'm hoping the pump will help irrigate the crops to fill more bellies
and so help families to be healthier - and maybe, just maybe, help
reduce some of that desperation.

Anyone who'd like to join in is welcome.

Well done, Morris! ... and while you should be commended for both the
hard work and altruism, it's a damned shame that there are more and more
folks who would prefer that you do the work and then provide them with
the fruits of *your* labor, gratis.

Thanks but I haven't really worked all that hard - and I work to serve
my own ends at least as much as others'.

My work, if it can be called work, is to provide a sense of the
/Possible/ to folks who can use that.

Since it can't be bought or sold, it pretty much has to be a gift.

--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/

On Mon, 13 Apr 2009 08:33:17 -0700 (PDT), Robatoy
wrote:

But *I* think that Ted Nugent's suggestion that if you drill a few car-
jackers, right through the door of your car, and putting a .45 on your
lap as you drive through bad areas of Detroit, had a LOT to do with
that car-jacking incident rate dropping like a stone.

Two things are required for punishment to be a deterrent, immediacy
and certainty. Nugent's suggestion meets both criteria. On the other
hand the US criminal justice system meets neither.

Tom Veatch
Wichita, KS
USA

On Mon, 13 Apr 2009 05:50:10 -0500, Swingman wrote:

Well done, Morris! ... and while you should be commended for both the
hard work and altruism, it's a damned shame that there are more and more
folks who would prefer that you do the work and then provide them with
the fruits of *your* labor, gratis.

And therein lies the problem. You're doing a good job Morris, but there
will always be people like the ones described above. And the fanatics
who think killing _____________ will get them a ticket to paradise.

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Intelligence is an experiment that failed - G. B. Shaw