Hint: the furnace requires electricity.

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"Steve Barker" wrote in message
...
Stormin Mormon wrote:
Friend of mine, is acting as caretaker for a family
member's
house. The power got shut off, and the house is cold
inside.


why not just turn the heat on?

Hint: the furnace requires electricity.

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"Steve Barker" wrote in message
...
Stormin Mormon wrote:
Friend of mine, is acting as caretaker for a family
member's
house. The power got shut off, and the house is cold
inside.


why not just turn the heat on?

Sewage processing plants have to dump the water some where.
Oddly enough, things (like antibiotics, and medications)
have made the full circle from sewer back to domestic water.
Which is why the old "flush pills down the toilet" is poor
advice. Much better they should be wrapped in several layers
of plastic bag, and put in the trash.

--
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"Steve Barker" wrote in message
...
Tony wrote:

I'm hoping you bought RV type antifreeze and not
automobile type. You
don't want to flush auto stuff down the drains to
contaminate the water
supply.

the drains don't go to the water supply. duh.

Sewage processing plants have to dump the water some where.
Oddly enough, things (like antibiotics, and medications)
have made the full circle from sewer back to domestic water.
Which is why the old "flush pills down the toilet" is poor
advice. Much better they should be wrapped in several layers
of plastic bag, and put in the trash.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..


"Steve Barker" wrote in message
...
Tony wrote:

I'm hoping you bought RV type antifreeze and not
automobile type. You
don't want to flush auto stuff down the drains to
contaminate the water
supply.

the drains don't go to the water supply. duh.

I've had glass crack, in the freezer. Many years ago, and my
parents were not pleased. Admittedly it was a full glass
bottle with a cap screwed on. I'm fairly sure ice expands
sidways, so it would crack in any case.

--
Christopher A. Young
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"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in
message ...

If I put liquid in a glass jar, but leave enough headroom
and don't tighten
the lid, I can put that jar in the freezer and the jar won't
break because
there's room for expansion. With me so far?

I've had glass crack, in the freezer. Many years ago, and my
parents were not pleased. Admittedly it was a full glass
bottle with a cap screwed on. I'm fairly sure ice expands
sidways, so it would crack in any case.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
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..


"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in
message ...

If I put liquid in a glass jar, but leave enough headroom
and don't tighten
the lid, I can put that jar in the freezer and the jar won't
break because
there's room for expansion. With me so far?

The Ball canning guide says otherwise. Many uncracked jars in my freezer
over the years are also evidence to the contrary. But this doesn't matter.
If you think there is NOT room for expansion in the u-shaped drain traps, I
really want to hear about it. I'm a very curious guy.



"Stormin Mormon" wrote in message
...
I've had glass crack, in the freezer. Many years ago, and my
parents were not pleased. Admittedly it was a full glass
bottle with a cap screwed on. I'm fairly sure ice expands
sidways, so it would crack in any case.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.


"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in
message ...

If I put liquid in a glass jar, but leave enough headroom
and don't tighten
the lid, I can put that jar in the freezer and the jar won't
break because
there's room for expansion. With me so far?

The Ball canning guide says otherwise. Many uncracked jars in my freezer
over the years are also evidence to the contrary. But this doesn't matter.
If you think there is NOT room for expansion in the u-shaped drain traps, I
really want to hear about it. I'm a very curious guy.



"Stormin Mormon" wrote in message
...
I've had glass crack, in the freezer. Many years ago, and my
parents were not pleased. Admittedly it was a full glass
bottle with a cap screwed on. I'm fairly sure ice expands
sidways, so it would crack in any case.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.


"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in
message ...

If I put liquid in a glass jar, but leave enough headroom
and don't tighten
the lid, I can put that jar in the freezer and the jar won't
break because
there's room for expansion. With me so far?

"Stormin Mormon" wrote in message
...


Unless the drains were clogged, why would there be any water
in them?

CY: The drains would only have waer, if they were horizontal
runs.


OK. I didn't realize we were talking about incorrectly installed pipes. My
bad.



And
what little is left in the traps would have plenty of room
for expansion.

CY: I think I remember hearing of traps cracking. The ice
expands sideways.

What you need to do is shut off the main water supply valve,
and then drain
as much water as you can from the supply pipes by turning on
ALL the taps,
especially the one in the laundry sink (in the basement), if
there is a tap
down there.

CY: Yes, there is a laundry sink. I'm also concerned the
water pipes may have low spots or horizontal runs. Might not
be able to get there with my generator and compressor.


Just shut off the water and then rent a movie, fer cryin' out loud. :-)

"Stormin Mormon" wrote in message
...


Unless the drains were clogged, why would there be any water
in them?

CY: The drains would only have waer, if they were horizontal
runs.


OK. I didn't realize we were talking about incorrectly installed pipes. My
bad.



And
what little is left in the traps would have plenty of room
for expansion.

CY: I think I remember hearing of traps cracking. The ice
expands sideways.

What you need to do is shut off the main water supply valve,
and then drain
as much water as you can from the supply pipes by turning on
ALL the taps,
especially the one in the laundry sink (in the basement), if
there is a tap
down there.

CY: Yes, there is a laundry sink. I'm also concerned the
water pipes may have low spots or horizontal runs. Might not
be able to get there with my generator and compressor.


Just shut off the water and then rent a movie, fer cryin' out loud. :-)

"Steve Barker" wrote in message
...
Tony wrote:
Stormin Mormon wrote:
Friend of mine, is acting as caretaker for a family member's house. The
power got shut off, and the house is cold inside. Down to 37, last he
checked. Four burneers on the stove for an hour raises the temp two
entire degrees.

Last night, we put RV antifreeze in the drain traps. Toilets, sinks,
showers. We considered the dishwasher. But that hadn't run in six month
or so, and probably the trap dried out. Washing machine is in the
cellar, and should stay warmer.

For $3.97 that might be a lot cheaper than replacing a bunch of broken
pipes. I got to thinking. On the way home, I bought myself a jug of
antifreeze. Might never need it. But it might be cheaper than replacing
a bunch of pipes and such if I need it here, or for a friend some day.

I'm hoping you bought RV type antifreeze and not automobile type. You
don't want to flush auto stuff down the drains to contaminate the water
supply.

the drains don't go to the water supply. duh.


Does your theory apply to everywhere in the country, regardless of the
source of drinking water?

This is a trap. Tread carefully.

"Steve Barker" wrote in message
...
Tony wrote:
Stormin Mormon wrote:
Friend of mine, is acting as caretaker for a family member's house. The
power got shut off, and the house is cold inside. Down to 37, last he
checked. Four burneers on the stove for an hour raises the temp two
entire degrees.

Last night, we put RV antifreeze in the drain traps. Toilets, sinks,
showers. We considered the dishwasher. But that hadn't run in six month
or so, and probably the trap dried out. Washing machine is in the
cellar, and should stay warmer.

For $3.97 that might be a lot cheaper than replacing a bunch of broken
pipes. I got to thinking. On the way home, I bought myself a jug of
antifreeze. Might never need it. But it might be cheaper than replacing
a bunch of pipes and such if I need it here, or for a friend some day.

I'm hoping you bought RV type antifreeze and not automobile type. You
don't want to flush auto stuff down the drains to contaminate the water
supply.

the drains don't go to the water supply. duh.


Does your theory apply to everywhere in the country, regardless of the
source of drinking water?

This is a trap. Tread carefully.

So, what you're saying is that you used RV antifreeze?



"Stormin Mormon" wrote in message
...
I wrote it, meant it, said it, and stand by it. "We put RV
antifreeze...."

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.


"Tony" wrote in message
...
Stormin Mormon wrote:
Friend of mine, is acting as caretaker for a family
member's
house. The power got shut off, and the house is cold
inside.
Down to 37, last he checked. Four burneers on the stove
for
an hour raises the temp two entire degrees.

Last night, we put RV antifreeze in the drain traps.
Toilets, sinks, showers. We considered the dishwasher. But
that hadn't run in six month or so, and probably the trap
dried out. Washing machine is in the cellar, and should
stay
warmer.

For $3.97 that might be a lot cheaper than replacing a
bunch
of broken pipes. I got to thinking. On the way home, I
bought myself a jug of antifreeze. Might never need it.
But
it might be cheaper than replacing a bunch of pipes and
such
if I need it here, or for a friend some day.

I'm hoping you bought RV type antifreeze and not automobile
type. You
don't want to flush auto stuff down the drains to
contaminate the water
supply.

So, what you're saying is that you used RV antifreeze?



"Stormin Mormon" wrote in message
...
I wrote it, meant it, said it, and stand by it. "We put RV
antifreeze...."

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.


"Tony" wrote in message
...
Stormin Mormon wrote:
Friend of mine, is acting as caretaker for a family
member's
house. The power got shut off, and the house is cold
inside.
Down to 37, last he checked. Four burneers on the stove
for
an hour raises the temp two entire degrees.

Last night, we put RV antifreeze in the drain traps.
Toilets, sinks, showers. We considered the dishwasher. But
that hadn't run in six month or so, and probably the trap
dried out. Washing machine is in the cellar, and should
stay
warmer.

For $3.97 that might be a lot cheaper than replacing a
bunch
of broken pipes. I got to thinking. On the way home, I
bought myself a jug of antifreeze. Might never need it.
But
it might be cheaper than replacing a bunch of pipes and
such
if I need it here, or for a friend some day.

I'm hoping you bought RV type antifreeze and not automobile
type. You
don't want to flush auto stuff down the drains to
contaminate the water
supply.

On Wed, 9 Dec 2009 08:09:38 -0500, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:

Friend of mine, is acting as caretaker for a family member's
house. The power got shut off, and the house is cold inside.
Down to 37, last he checked. Four burneers on the stove for
an hour raises the temp two entire degrees.

Last night, we put RV antifreeze in the drain traps.
Toilets, sinks, showers. We considered the dishwasher. But
that hadn't run in six month or so, and probably the trap
dried out. Washing machine is in the cellar, and should stay
warmer.

Water freezing in a drain trap will expand without breaking the
surrounding plumbing.

On Wed, 9 Dec 2009 08:09:38 -0500, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:

Friend of mine, is acting as caretaker for a family member's
house. The power got shut off, and the house is cold inside.
Down to 37, last he checked. Four burneers on the stove for
an hour raises the temp two entire degrees.

Last night, we put RV antifreeze in the drain traps.
Toilets, sinks, showers. We considered the dishwasher. But
that hadn't run in six month or so, and probably the trap
dried out. Washing machine is in the cellar, and should stay
warmer.

Water freezing in a drain trap will expand without breaking the
surrounding plumbing.

"Jeff The Drunk" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 9 Dec 2009 08:09:38 -0500, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:

Friend of mine, is acting as caretaker for a family member's
house. The power got shut off, and the house is cold inside.
Down to 37, last he checked. Four burneers on the stove for
an hour raises the temp two entire degrees.

Last night, we put RV antifreeze in the drain traps.
Toilets, sinks, showers. We considered the dishwasher. But
that hadn't run in six month or so, and probably the trap
dried out. Washing machine is in the cellar, and should stay
warmer.

Water freezing in a drain trap will expand without breaking the
surrounding plumbing.


Even if a trap cracked, how much water is in the typical trap? Between a cup
and a quart at the most? How's that going to cause major damage to a house?

"Jeff The Drunk" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 9 Dec 2009 08:09:38 -0500, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:

Friend of mine, is acting as caretaker for a family member's
house. The power got shut off, and the house is cold inside.
Down to 37, last he checked. Four burneers on the stove for
an hour raises the temp two entire degrees.

Last night, we put RV antifreeze in the drain traps.
Toilets, sinks, showers. We considered the dishwasher. But
that hadn't run in six month or so, and probably the trap
dried out. Washing machine is in the cellar, and should stay
warmer.

Water freezing in a drain trap will expand without breaking the
surrounding plumbing.


Even if a trap cracked, how much water is in the typical trap? Between a cup
and a quart at the most? How's that going to cause major damage to a house?

On Dec 9, 11:32�am, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:
"Jeff The Drunk" wrote in ...





On Wed, 9 Dec 2009 08:09:38 -0500, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:

Friend of mine, is acting as caretaker for a family member's
house. The power got shut off, and the house is cold inside.
Down to 37, last he checked. Four burneers on the stove for
an hour raises the temp two entire degrees.

Last night, we put RV antifreeze in the drain traps.
Toilets, sinks, showers. We considered the dishwasher. But
that hadn't run in six month or so, and probably the trap
dried out. Washing machine is in the cellar, and should stay
warmer.

Water freezing in a drain trap will expand without breaking the
surrounding plumbing.

Even if a trap cracked, how much water is in the typical trap? Between a cup
and a quart at the most? How's that going to cause major damage to a house?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

think toilet trap, cracked toilets, traps buried in cielings etc etc.

its best to blow down the supply lines but he did the best he
could....

I once worked where the building froze, the management thught they
drained the sprinkler system

but trapped water split some sprinlker lines and caused a deluge when
water was turned back on by authorties....

the company finally closed completely

On Dec 9, 11:32�am, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:
"Jeff The Drunk" wrote in ...





On Wed, 9 Dec 2009 08:09:38 -0500, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:

Friend of mine, is acting as caretaker for a family member's
house. The power got shut off, and the house is cold inside.
Down to 37, last he checked. Four burneers on the stove for
an hour raises the temp two entire degrees.

Last night, we put RV antifreeze in the drain traps.
Toilets, sinks, showers. We considered the dishwasher. But
that hadn't run in six month or so, and probably the trap
dried out. Washing machine is in the cellar, and should stay
warmer.

Water freezing in a drain trap will expand without breaking the
surrounding plumbing.

Even if a trap cracked, how much water is in the typical trap? Between a cup
and a quart at the most? How's that going to cause major damage to a house?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

think toilet trap, cracked toilets, traps buried in cielings etc etc.

its best to blow down the supply lines but he did the best he
could....

I once worked where the building froze, the management thught they
drained the sprinkler system

but trapped water split some sprinlker lines and caused a deluge when
water was turned back on by authorties....

the company finally closed completely

Hmm. Sounds like a drain trap trap?

--
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"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in
message ...

the drains don't go to the water supply. duh.


Does your theory apply to everywhere in the country,
regardless of the
source of drinking water?

This is a trap. Tread carefully.

Hmm. Sounds like a drain trap trap?

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..


"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in
message ...

the drains don't go to the water supply. duh.


Does your theory apply to everywhere in the country,
regardless of the
source of drinking water?

This is a trap. Tread carefully.

There is a slight chance that might be what I meant. I'll
have to go scroll back and see.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
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..


"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in
message ...
So, what you're saying is that you used RV antifreeze?



"Stormin Mormon" wrote
in message
...
I wrote it, meant it, said it, and stand by it. "We put RV
antifreeze...."

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.


"Tony" wrote in message
...
Stormin Mormon wrote:
Friend of mine, is acting as caretaker for a family
member's
house. The power got shut off, and the house is cold
inside.
Down to 37, last he checked. Four burneers on the stove
for
an hour raises the temp two entire degrees.

Last night, we put RV antifreeze in the drain traps.
Toilets, sinks, showers. We considered the dishwasher.
But
that hadn't run in six month or so, and probably the trap
dried out. Washing machine is in the cellar, and should
stay
warmer.

For $3.97 that might be a lot cheaper than replacing a
bunch
of broken pipes. I got to thinking. On the way home, I
bought myself a jug of antifreeze. Might never need it.
But
it might be cheaper than replacing a bunch of pipes and
such
if I need it here, or for a friend some day.

I'm hoping you bought RV type antifreeze and not
automobile
type. You
don't want to flush auto stuff down the drains to
contaminate the water
supply.

There is a slight chance that might be what I meant. I'll
have to go scroll back and see.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..


"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in
message ...
So, what you're saying is that you used RV antifreeze?



"Stormin Mormon" wrote
in message
...
I wrote it, meant it, said it, and stand by it. "We put RV
antifreeze...."

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.


"Tony" wrote in message
...
Stormin Mormon wrote:
Friend of mine, is acting as caretaker for a family
member's
house. The power got shut off, and the house is cold
inside.
Down to 37, last he checked. Four burneers on the stove
for
an hour raises the temp two entire degrees.

Last night, we put RV antifreeze in the drain traps.
Toilets, sinks, showers. We considered the dishwasher.
But
that hadn't run in six month or so, and probably the trap
dried out. Washing machine is in the cellar, and should
stay
warmer.

For $3.97 that might be a lot cheaper than replacing a
bunch
of broken pipes. I got to thinking. On the way home, I
bought myself a jug of antifreeze. Might never need it.
But
it might be cheaper than replacing a bunch of pipes and
such
if I need it here, or for a friend some day.

I'm hoping you bought RV type antifreeze and not
automobile
type. You
don't want to flush auto stuff down the drains to
contaminate the water
supply.

You mean, if the trap freezes, the faucets aren't affected?

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
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..


"Jeff The Drunk" wrote in message
...

Water freezing in a drain trap will expand without breaking
the
surrounding plumbing.

You mean, if the trap freezes, the faucets aren't affected?

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
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..


"Jeff The Drunk" wrote in message
...

Water freezing in a drain trap will expand without breaking
the
surrounding plumbing.

Rental property. Next tenants may very well be idiots.

--
Christopher A. Young
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..


"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in
message ...

Water freezing in a drain trap will expand without
breaking the
surrounding plumbing.


Even if a trap cracked, how much water is in the typical
trap? Between a cup
and a quart at the most? How's that going to cause major
damage to a house?

Rental property. Next tenants may very well be idiots.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..


"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in
message ...

Water freezing in a drain trap will expand without
breaking the
surrounding plumbing.


Even if a trap cracked, how much water is in the typical
trap? Between a cup
and a quart at the most? How's that going to cause major
damage to a house?

Very well said.

That's essentially what I was thinking.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
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..


wrote in message
...


think toilet trap, cracked toilets, traps buried in cielings
etc etc.

its best to blow down the supply lines but he did the best
he
could....

I once worked where the building froze, the management
thught they
drained the sprinkler system

but trapped water split some sprinlker lines and caused a
deluge when
water was turned back on by authorties....

the company finally closed completely

Very well said.

That's essentially what I was thinking.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..


wrote in message
...


think toilet trap, cracked toilets, traps buried in cielings
etc etc.

its best to blow down the supply lines but he did the best
he
could....

I once worked where the building froze, the management
thught they
drained the sprinkler system

but trapped water split some sprinlker lines and caused a
deluge when
water was turned back on by authorties....

the company finally closed completely

On Dec 9, 8:17*am, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:
The Ball canning guide says otherwise. Many uncracked jars in my freezer
over the years are also evidence to the contrary. But this doesn't matter..
If you think there is NOT room for expansion in the u-shaped drain traps, I
really want to hear about it. I'm a very curious guy.

"Stormin Mormon" wrote in message

...

I've had glass crack, in the freezer. Many years ago, and my
parents were not pleased. Admittedly it was a full glass
bottle with a cap screwed on. I'm fairly sure ice expands
sidways, so it would crack in any case.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
*www.lds.org
.

"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in
...

If I put liquid in a glass jar, but leave enough headroom
and don't tighten
the lid, I can put that jar in the freezer and the jar won't
break because
there's room for expansion. With me so far?

JSB & CY-

I've frozen a few things in glass over the years in the freezer and
outside.....jsut a curious kid with an understanding dad.

My comment is...if the glass has any importance, dont do it.

Sometimes they break but most of the time they don't. I think it has
to do with the shape of the containter AND with how (from where) it
starts to freeze. My theory is, if the top froze first, it created
a "cap" and didnt allow the ice to grow in height.

CY- When water freezes it expansion in all directions. Just like when
a homogeneous material (like a block of metal) is subject to unifrom
heating, it grows in all three axes.

But lets not get started on a discussion of what happens when a metal
washer is heated....

cheers
Bob

On Dec 9, 8:17*am, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:
The Ball canning guide says otherwise. Many uncracked jars in my freezer
over the years are also evidence to the contrary. But this doesn't matter..
If you think there is NOT room for expansion in the u-shaped drain traps, I
really want to hear about it. I'm a very curious guy.

"Stormin Mormon" wrote in message

...

I've had glass crack, in the freezer. Many years ago, and my
parents were not pleased. Admittedly it was a full glass
bottle with a cap screwed on. I'm fairly sure ice expands
sidways, so it would crack in any case.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
*www.lds.org
.

"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in
...

If I put liquid in a glass jar, but leave enough headroom
and don't tighten
the lid, I can put that jar in the freezer and the jar won't
break because
there's room for expansion. With me so far?

JSB & CY-

I've frozen a few things in glass over the years in the freezer and
outside.....jsut a curious kid with an understanding dad.

My comment is...if the glass has any importance, dont do it.

Sometimes they break but most of the time they don't. I think it has
to do with the shape of the containter AND with how (from where) it
starts to freeze. My theory is, if the top froze first, it created
a "cap" and didnt allow the ice to grow in height.

CY- When water freezes it expansion in all directions. Just like when
a homogeneous material (like a block of metal) is subject to unifrom
heating, it grows in all three axes.

But lets not get started on a discussion of what happens when a metal
washer is heated....

cheers
Bob

"DD_BobK" wrote in message
...
On Dec 9, 8:17 am, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:
The Ball canning guide says otherwise. Many uncracked jars in my freezer
over the years are also evidence to the contrary. But this doesn't matter.
If you think there is NOT room for expansion in the u-shaped drain traps,
I
really want to hear about it. I'm a very curious guy.

"Stormin Mormon" wrote in message

...

I've had glass crack, in the freezer. Many years ago, and my
parents were not pleased. Admittedly it was a full glass
bottle with a cap screwed on. I'm fairly sure ice expands
sidways, so it would crack in any case.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.

"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in
...

If I put liquid in a glass jar, but leave enough headroom
and don't tighten
the lid, I can put that jar in the freezer and the jar won't
break because
there's room for expansion. With me so far?

JSB & CY-

I've frozen a few things in glass over the years in the freezer and
outside.....jsut a curious kid with an understanding dad.

My comment is...if the glass has any importance, dont do it.

Sometimes they break but most of the time they don't. I think it has
to do with the shape of the containter AND with how (from where) it
starts to freeze. My theory is, if the top froze first, it created
a "cap" and didnt allow the ice to grow in height.

CY- When water freezes it expansion in all directions. Just like when
a homogeneous material (like a block of metal) is subject to unifrom
heating, it grows in all three axes.

But lets not get started on a discussion of what happens when a metal
washer is heated....

cheers
Bob

+++

I don't intentionaly do it, but as I remember, if you freeze water in a
glass (open or closed), it can break. Probably determined by the strength of
the glass.

Jim

"DD_BobK" wrote in message
...
On Dec 9, 8:17 am, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:
The Ball canning guide says otherwise. Many uncracked jars in my freezer
over the years are also evidence to the contrary. But this doesn't matter.
If you think there is NOT room for expansion in the u-shaped drain traps,
I
really want to hear about it. I'm a very curious guy.

"Stormin Mormon" wrote in message

...

I've had glass crack, in the freezer. Many years ago, and my
parents were not pleased. Admittedly it was a full glass
bottle with a cap screwed on. I'm fairly sure ice expands
sidways, so it would crack in any case.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.

"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in
...

If I put liquid in a glass jar, but leave enough headroom
and don't tighten
the lid, I can put that jar in the freezer and the jar won't
break because
there's room for expansion. With me so far?

JSB & CY-

I've frozen a few things in glass over the years in the freezer and
outside.....jsut a curious kid with an understanding dad.

My comment is...if the glass has any importance, dont do it.

Sometimes they break but most of the time they don't. I think it has
to do with the shape of the containter AND with how (from where) it
starts to freeze. My theory is, if the top froze first, it created
a "cap" and didnt allow the ice to grow in height.

CY- When water freezes it expansion in all directions. Just like when
a homogeneous material (like a block of metal) is subject to unifrom
heating, it grows in all three axes.

But lets not get started on a discussion of what happens when a metal
washer is heated....

cheers
Bob

+++

I don't intentionaly do it, but as I remember, if you freeze water in a
glass (open or closed), it can break. Probably determined by the strength of
the glass.

Jim

"DD_BobK" wrote in message
...
On Dec 9, 8:17 am, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:
The Ball canning guide says otherwise. Many uncracked jars in my freezer
over the years are also evidence to the contrary. But this doesn't matter.
If you think there is NOT room for expansion in the u-shaped drain traps,
I
really want to hear about it. I'm a very curious guy.

"Stormin Mormon" wrote in message

...

I've had glass crack, in the freezer. Many years ago, and my
parents were not pleased. Admittedly it was a full glass
bottle with a cap screwed on. I'm fairly sure ice expands
sidways, so it would crack in any case.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.

"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in
...

If I put liquid in a glass jar, but leave enough headroom
and don't tighten
the lid, I can put that jar in the freezer and the jar won't
break because
there's room for expansion. With me so far?

JSB & CY-

I've frozen a few things in glass over the years in the freezer and
outside.....jsut a curious kid with an understanding dad.

My comment is...if the glass has any importance, dont do it.

Sometimes they break but most of the time they don't. I think it has
to do with the shape of the containter AND with how (from where) it
starts to freeze. My theory is, if the top froze first, it created
a "cap" and didnt allow the ice to grow in height.

CY- When water freezes it expansion in all directions. Just like when
a homogeneous material (like a block of metal) is subject to unifrom
heating, it grows in all three axes.

But lets not get started on a discussion of what happens when a metal
washer is heated....

cheers
Bob

==========


Let's introduce the mineral content of the water in question.

Or not. :-)

"DD_BobK" wrote in message
...
On Dec 9, 8:17 am, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:
The Ball canning guide says otherwise. Many uncracked jars in my freezer
over the years are also evidence to the contrary. But this doesn't matter.
If you think there is NOT room for expansion in the u-shaped drain traps,
I
really want to hear about it. I'm a very curious guy.

"Stormin Mormon" wrote in message

...

I've had glass crack, in the freezer. Many years ago, and my
parents were not pleased. Admittedly it was a full glass
bottle with a cap screwed on. I'm fairly sure ice expands
sidways, so it would crack in any case.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.

"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in
...

If I put liquid in a glass jar, but leave enough headroom
and don't tighten
the lid, I can put that jar in the freezer and the jar won't
break because
there's room for expansion. With me so far?

JSB & CY-

I've frozen a few things in glass over the years in the freezer and
outside.....jsut a curious kid with an understanding dad.

My comment is...if the glass has any importance, dont do it.

Sometimes they break but most of the time they don't. I think it has
to do with the shape of the containter AND with how (from where) it
starts to freeze. My theory is, if the top froze first, it created
a "cap" and didnt allow the ice to grow in height.

CY- When water freezes it expansion in all directions. Just like when
a homogeneous material (like a block of metal) is subject to unifrom
heating, it grows in all three axes.

But lets not get started on a discussion of what happens when a metal
washer is heated....

cheers
Bob

==========


Let's introduce the mineral content of the water in question.

Or not. :-)

On Dec 9, 9:21*am, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:
"Stormin Mormon" wrote in message

...





Friend of mine, is acting as caretaker for a family member's
house. The power got shut off, and the house is cold inside.
Down to 37, last he checked. Four burneers on the stove for
an hour raises the temp two entire degrees.

Last night, we put RV antifreeze in the drain traps.
Toilets, sinks, showers. We considered the dishwasher. But
that hadn't run in six month or so, and probably the trap
dried out. Washing machine is in the cellar, and should stay
warmer.

For $3.97 that might be a lot cheaper than replacing a bunch
of broken pipes. I got to thinking. On the way home, I
bought myself a jug of antifreeze. Might never need it. But
it might be cheaper than replacing a bunch of pipes and such
if I need it here, or for a friend some day.

--
Christopher A. Young

Unless the drains were clogged, why would there be any water in them? And
what little is left in the traps would have plenty of room for expansion.
What you need to do is shut off the main water supply valve, and then drain
as much water as you can from the supply pipes by turning on ALL the taps,
especially the one in the laundry sink (in the basement), if there is a tap
down there.

Why is the power off? Reasons beyond the owner's control, or what?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

When water freezes it is solid and not compressible and will expand in
all directions. What normally happens is that continued freezing and
thawing expands the pipe a little each time until eventually it
breaks.

Anything that lowers the freezing point of water will help.

On Dec 9, 9:21*am, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:
"Stormin Mormon" wrote in message

...





Friend of mine, is acting as caretaker for a family member's
house. The power got shut off, and the house is cold inside.
Down to 37, last he checked. Four burneers on the stove for
an hour raises the temp two entire degrees.

Last night, we put RV antifreeze in the drain traps.
Toilets, sinks, showers. We considered the dishwasher. But
that hadn't run in six month or so, and probably the trap
dried out. Washing machine is in the cellar, and should stay
warmer.

For $3.97 that might be a lot cheaper than replacing a bunch
of broken pipes. I got to thinking. On the way home, I
bought myself a jug of antifreeze. Might never need it. But
it might be cheaper than replacing a bunch of pipes and such
if I need it here, or for a friend some day.

--
Christopher A. Young

Unless the drains were clogged, why would there be any water in them? And
what little is left in the traps would have plenty of room for expansion.
What you need to do is shut off the main water supply valve, and then drain
as much water as you can from the supply pipes by turning on ALL the taps,
especially the one in the laundry sink (in the basement), if there is a tap
down there.

Why is the power off? Reasons beyond the owner's control, or what?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

When water freezes it is solid and not compressible and will expand in
all directions. What normally happens is that continued freezing and
thawing expands the pipe a little each time until eventually it
breaks.

Anything that lowers the freezing point of water will help.

No, because you were also slick enough to shut off the water supply and turn
on all the faucets, thereby draining them. Remember? You did that yesterday.


"Stormin Mormon" wrote in message
...
You mean, if the trap freezes, the faucets aren't affected?

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.


"Jeff The Drunk" wrote in message
...

Water freezing in a drain trap will expand without breaking
the
surrounding plumbing.

No, because you were also slick enough to shut off the water supply and turn
on all the faucets, thereby draining them. Remember? You did that yesterday.


"Stormin Mormon" wrote in message
...
You mean, if the trap freezes, the faucets aren't affected?

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.


"Jeff The Drunk" wrote in message
...

Water freezing in a drain trap will expand without breaking
the
surrounding plumbing.