"Tom Horne, Electrician" wrote in message
nk.net...

Matthew
That is pretty impressive for that size of generator. Would you mind
sharing what brand and model it is.
--

Wacker GS 8.5
It has a B&S 16 HP vanguard

"Larry Caldwell" wrote in message

Doesn't a car adapter come with every cell phone?


Nope, that's about $20 more.

Matthew
That is pretty impressive for that size of generator. Would you mind
sharing what brand and model it is.
--

Wacker GS 8.5
It has a B&S 16 HP vanguard

That's similar in size to a Miller or Lincoln mid-size engine-drive
arc welder. For that size engine (16-20 hp) compare the pricing to a
Miller Bobcat or Lincoln Ranger and you have an arc welder along with
power generation.

Jonathan Grobe wrote in
:

We just had a ice storm and I had no electricity for 22 hours. I
was mostly unprepared and didn't like the experience at all.

What are you doing to prepare for this?

Thanks.


Usually nothing. But this winter we have already had two outages.
The first was due to high winds bringing down the lines. THe second
was due to a car bringing down a power pole.

The first one I was ready for. When i heard the forcast for high winds
I hung the camping lantern from the hook in the living room celing and
made sure the camp stove was fueled up. We filled the freezer with ice
packs. When the power went out, my wife transfered the ice packs and
some food into the cooler. Big supprise was finding out that the gas
fireplace didn't have an emergency bypass. I have now have an inverter
and can run the fire place off a battery if necessary.

On Feb 25, 5:29 pm, "Stormin Mormon" cayoung61-
wrote:
During the 2003 power cut, I found one of my major shortcomings
was air movement. The gas range did a nice job heating the
kitchen, but not any of the rest of the trailer. Since then I've
got a trolling battery, and an inverter. So that I can run some
low wattage lights, and also fans to move the heat around.

Kitchen appliances are not designed to heat houses. I hope you have a
CO detector and smoke detectors. That way, when your house burns down
you can get out safely, then stand real close to the fire to stay
warm.

On Feb 25, 4:32 pm, mm wrote:

I keep plenty of canned (and frozen) food in the house because I like
to have a variety available at meal time.

For 20 years I kept powdered condensed milk for emergencies, but
there's never been a time I couldn't get to the store within 2 days,
which is often as I go anyhow. So I tried the milk and it was
terrible, and I don't think it was because it was 20 years old.
Canned condensed milke might be better. My mother used that for
custards or something.

Powdered milk is for cooking, like that biscuit recipe that calls for
milk or a loaf of bread. You can also get powdered buttermilk, which
works well for buttermilk pancakes. Powdered milk is nonfat milk
solids.

Evaporated milk is palatable, but it doesn't taste like fresh milk.
It has been cooked. It's great for cooked milk recipes like puddings
and custards. You cut it with an equal amount of water to
reconstitute it. If you need to stretch it, you can mix it with
reconstituted powdered milk and end up with a low fat product that
isn't horrible.

Condensed milk is sweetened, and normally just used in confectioner's
recipes.

I normally keep a couple gallons of milk (in quart cardboard
containers) frozen in the freezer. The milk solids separate in the
freezing, but you can shake the crap out of the carton and mix it back
up again.

Another thing I run out of during disasters is eggs. I toss a few
containers of "scramblers" (pasteurized egg product) in the freezer,
and thaw them when the fresh eggs are gone. Since they are
pasteurized, you can use them in old time recipes to make real ice
cream or caesar dressing. In the old days they used to sell powdered
eggs, which tasted horrible by themselves, but cooked up nicely in
recipes.

On 2 Mar 2007 10:52:07 -0800, wrote:

On Feb 25, 5:29 pm, "Stormin Mormon" cayoung61-
wrote:
During the 2003 power cut, I found one of my major shortcomings
was air movement. The gas range did a nice job heating the
kitchen, but not any of the rest of the trailer. Since then I've
got a trolling battery, and an inverter. So that I can run some
low wattage lights, and also fans to move the heat around.

Kitchen appliances are not designed to heat houses. I hope you have a
CO detector and smoke detectors. That way, when your house burns down
you can get out safely, then stand real close to the fire to stay
warm.

OTOH, kitchen appliances are not sentenient beings and don't know what
they're heating. They'll no more burn down the house heating air than
they will heating water, roast beef, turkey, etc.

OTOH2, some DO produce a lot of CO. The propane range in my MH can
click off 100 PPM CO in under an hour with all three burners going.

---
John De Armond
See my website for my current email address
http://www.neon-john.com
Cleveland, Occupied TN
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On Fri, 02 Mar 2007 17:35:16 -0500, Neon John wrote:


On 2 Mar 2007 10:52:07 -0800, wrote:

On Feb 25, 5:29 pm, "Stormin Mormon" cayoung61-
wrote:
During the 2003 power cut, I found one of my major shortcomings
was air movement. The gas range did a nice job heating the
kitchen, but not any of the rest of the trailer. Since then I've
got a trolling battery, and an inverter. So that I can run some
low wattage lights, and also fans to move the heat around.

Kitchen appliances are not designed to heat houses. I hope you have a
CO detector and smoke detectors. That way, when your house burns down
you can get out safely, then stand real close to the fire to stay
warm.

OTOH, kitchen appliances are not sentenient beings and don't know what
they're heating. They'll no more burn down the house heating air than
they will heating water, roast beef, turkey, etc.

Strawman argument. Nobody has said that appliances might be sentient.
The argument is about wether or not they are designed to be used to heat
a room and they most certainly not.

It won't burn the house down, but you possibly might not live through the
night.

OTOH2, some DO produce a lot of CO. The propane range in my MH can
click off 100 PPM CO in under an hour with all three burners going.
Clearly yours has affected you judging by the quality of your post.

"AL" wrote
Don wrote:
We are so far back in the sticks in a very sparsely populated county that
no broadband will ever be available so the choice is dialup or satellite.
We have the Hughes satellite which works pretty good most of the time.
When the power goes out we'll run the generator through a PC power backup
and then plug the computer and satellite modem into the power supply and
be back online pronto.

I used to think we'd never see broadband where I live but we received
notice last week it was now available. I jumped at the chance to ditch my
satellite (Wildblue). I had not fulfilled the Wildblue agreement for 1 yr
service but the phone company agreed to do an even swap if I'd let them
have the equipment back - DEAL! DSL is so sweet and the same monthly price
as Wildblue...

Our county sounds similar to yours in population size so who knows? you
might get a notice yourself someday.


sniff I want broadband again.
We're in Brown County, south-central Indiana.
Nothing ever changes here.

"Larry Caldwell" wrote in message
.. .
In article , one-if-by-
(Don) says...

The only downside so far, and I'm going to fix it is, our satellite dish
is
on the peak of the 2nd floor roof and not easy to get to and when it gets
real cold and then rains the dish loads up with 3" thick ice, making it
unworkable. So right now I am investigating a solar powered heater coil
that
will wrap the dish and the feedhorn effectively eliminating the ice
buildup.
Kinda pricey though at $400.

Isn't there anywhere to relocate the dishes? My satellite dishes are
installed below the windows on the south side of the house, just above
the posies in the flower beds. When it snows, I just walk outside and
brush the snow off.

There's still a bunch of prejudice left over from TV antenna days -
people think their dish has to be installed on the roof. I had a friend
with a perfect location, on the legs of a second floor wooden deck,
where all the feeds could be installed in a false ceiling between floors
in his house. Instead, he drilled holes in a steel roof to mount the
dish, and butchered the finish in a closet to get the feed to the first
floor.

We're surrounded by tall trees and the dish has to face south.
I was told the 2 way internet dishes are more sensitive than the 1 way TV
dishes and after having both for almost a year now I agree.
Our internet will go out much more frequently than the TV.

"Rod Speed" wrote in message
...
Don wrote
mm wrote

Either you don't know well many of the people you know who run
businesses, or you run with a sad circle of acquaintances. Making a
fair, a reasonable profit is the primary goal of the business owners I
know.

Is that how you run YOUR business?
Or are you just spreading heresy?
I have been successfuly running my own business since 1983 and maximizing
the profit is the PRIMARY goal.

Irrelevant to whether it is for everyone.

Pay attention.
I wasn't talking about *everyone* and you shouldn't be either.

Quite a few are essentially just buying themselves a job with the
conditions they get to set for themselves and its much more about
the best overall outcome time and profit wise than maximising profit.

Buying themselves a job?
You must have read that silliness in a socialist rag somewhere.

All that other stuff you were rumoring about simply reinforces that
PRIMARY goal.

Your problem.

Nope, no problem at all.
Its called, keeping your eye on the goal.
How long have you been buying your job from your boss?


Running your own business is a little different than just talking about
it. Onward.

In article ,
"Don" wrote:


sniff I want broadband again.
We're in Brown County, south-central Indiana.
Nothing ever changes here.

At least now the time does (G&D&R). Who is Nashville's phone company?
Kurt (From Indy) Ullman

Don wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Don wrote
mm wrote

Either you don't know well many of the people you know who run businesses, or you run with a
sad circle of acquaintances. Making a fair, a reasonable profit is the primary goal of the
business owners I know.

Is that how you run YOUR business?
Or are you just spreading heresy?
I have been successfuly running my own business since 1983 and maximizing the profit is the
PRIMARY goal.

Irrelevant to whether it is for everyone.

Pay attention.

Go and **** yourself.

I wasn't talking about *everyone*

You have always been, and always will be, completely and utterly irrelevant.

What you might or might not have been talking about in spades.

What matters is what SOME businesses do as far as
the original claim about the primary goal of businesses is.

and you shouldn't be either.

Pathetic, really.

Quite a few are essentially just buying themselves a job with the
conditions they get to set for themselves and its much more about
the best overall outcome time and profit wise than maximising profit.

Buying themselves a job?

Not necessarily. Mainly just a lifestyle choice.

You must have read that silliness in a socialist rag somewhere.

Bit hard since I've never actually been stupid enough to read one.

I do however know plenty who run their own business, in
fact I know more of those than those who are wage slaves.

Many more in fact.

All that other stuff you were rumoring about simply reinforces that PRIMARY goal.

Your problem.

Nope, no problem at all.

Fraid so.

Its called, keeping your eye on the goal.

Its actually called desperately attempting to bull**** your way out of your predicament.

How long have you been buying your job from your boss?

I'm not a wage slave, stupid.

Running your own business is a little different than just talking about it. Onward.

"Don" wrote in message
...
"AL" wrote
Don wrote:
We are so far back in the sticks in a very sparsely populated county
that no broadband will ever be available so the choice is dialup or
satellite.
We have the Hughes satellite which works pretty good most of the time.
When the power goes out we'll run the generator through a PC power
backup and then plug the computer and satellite modem into the power
supply and be back online pronto.

I used to think we'd never see broadband where I live but we received
notice last week it was now available. I jumped at the chance to ditch my
satellite (Wildblue). I had not fulfilled the Wildblue agreement for 1 yr
service but the phone company agreed to do an even swap if I'd let them
have the equipment back - DEAL! DSL is so sweet and the same monthly
price as Wildblue...

Our county sounds similar to yours in population size so who knows? you
might get a notice yourself someday.


sniff I want broadband again.
We're in Brown County, south-central Indiana.
Nothing ever changes here.
In Brown County, you don't need broadband. Too much fun available just
outside the door. I'm from the counties just on either side of there, so I
have spent a lot of time on or near 46- I'd trade this brand new DSL line
here in SW MI, for a Brown County address, in a heartbeat.

aem sends...

Rod Speed wrote:

[....]

I'm not a wage slave, stupid.


"wage slave" - one who has become incurably addicted
to their desires for what money can buy?

wrote in
oups.com:

In the old days they used to sell powdered
eggs, which tasted horrible by themselves, but cooked up nicely in
recipes.



you still can buy powdered eggs,also powdered egg whites.
try Google.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

Jim wrote:
Rod Speed wrote:

[....]

I'm not a wage slave, stupid.


"wage slave" - one who has become incurably addicted
to their desires for what money can buy?

Nope, someone who depends on a wage for their income.

Rod Speed wrote:

Jim wrote:
Rod Speed wrote:

[....]

I'm not a wage slave, stupid.


"wage slave" - one who has become incurably addicted
to their desires for what money can buy?

Nope, someone who depends on a wage for their income.

thank you for the explanation.

Don wrote:
"AL" wrote

Don wrote:

We are so far back in the sticks in a very sparsely populated county that
no broadband will ever be available so the choice is dialup or satellite.
We have the Hughes satellite which works pretty good most of the time.
When the power goes out we'll run the generator through a PC power backup
and then plug the computer and satellite modem into the power supply and
be back online pronto.

I used to think we'd never see broadband where I live but we received
notice last week it was now available. I jumped at the chance to ditch my
satellite (Wildblue). I had not fulfilled the Wildblue agreement for 1 yr
service but the phone company agreed to do an even swap if I'd let them
have the equipment back - DEAL! DSL is so sweet and the same monthly price
as Wildblue...

Our county sounds similar to yours in population size so who knows? you
might get a notice yourself someday.



sniff I want broadband again.
We're in Brown County, south-central Indiana.
Nothing ever changes here.


Ooo - Brown County! That is some gorgeous country!

AL

Rod Speed wrote:
Jim wrote:
Rod Speed wrote:
[....]
I'm not a wage slave, stupid.

"wage slave" - one who has become incurably addicted
to their desires for what money can buy?

Nope, someone who depends on a wage for their income.




That eliminates you, welfare boy.

On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 20:44:10 +0000 (UTC), Jonathan Grobe
wrote:

We just had a ice storm and I had no electricity for 22 hours. I
was mostly unprepared and didn't like the experience at all.

What are you doing to prepare for this?


I live in AZ.

In article ,
says...
On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 20:44:10 +0000 (UTC), Jonathan Grobe
wrote:

We just had a ice storm and I had no electricity for 22 hours. I
was mostly unprepared and didn't like the experience at all.

What are you doing to prepare for this?


I live in AZ.


Wasn't there a major outage there a couple of years ago? I seem
to recall that a large and expensive component had to be trucked
(with a "Wide Load" type deal) from Long Beach, California? And
took days to arrive?


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"Rod Speed" wrote
Go and **** yourself.

Have you been a whiney little gurl all your life? LOL

"Jim" wrote in message
...
Rod Speed wrote:

[....]

I'm not a wage slave, stupid.


"wage slave" - one who has become incurably addicted
to their desires for what money can buy?

He's lying again.
His boss tells him what to do and he goes and flips the burgers.

"William Souden" wrote
Rod Speed wrote:
Nope, someone who depends on a wage for their income.

That eliminates you, welfare boy.

Welp, that explains his socialist attitude.

"Kurt Ullman" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"Don" wrote:


sniff I want broadband again.
We're in Brown County, south-central Indiana.
Nothing ever changes here.

At least now the time does (G&D&R).

Yep, unfortunately you're right.
Changes next weekend from what I've been told.

Who is Nashville's phone company?
Kurt (From Indy) Ullman

AT&T.
The problem is there isn't enough people around here that want broadband and
they won't run a line just for us.
None of the neighbors even own a computer let alone have a web connection.
Many farmers and hunters and such.

"ameijers" wrote
"Don" wrote
sniff I want broadband again.
We're in Brown County, south-central Indiana.
Nothing ever changes here.
In Brown County, you don't need broadband. Too much fun available just
outside the door. I'm from the counties just on either side of there, so I
have spent a lot of time on or near 46- I'd trade this brand new DSL line
here in SW MI, for a Brown County address, in a heartbeat.

It IS beautiful here.
My regret is that we didn't move here 10 years ago.
Yes, I spend quite a bit of time outdoors.
Very few people here (15,000 in the whole county) but lots of wild animals.
I'm watching 2 squirrels race around a big snow covered cedar right outside
my office window right now.

In article ,
"Don" wrote:


AT&T.
The problem is there isn't enough people around here that want broadband and
they won't run a line just for us.

AT&T promised they would run DSL to rural areas, but there is rural
and then there is technophobic. (g0.

In article , one-if-by-
(Don) says...

We're surrounded by tall trees and the dish has to face south.
I was told the 2 way internet dishes are more sensitive than the 1 way TV
dishes and after having both for almost a year now I agree.
Our internet will go out much more frequently than the TV.

That's because satellite TV is KU band, and satellite internet is KA
band. Both of them get absorbed by water, but KA band is absorbed at a
much faster rate. Clouds get in the way.

Too bad about the trees. Putting a dish on the roof makes maintenance a
bitch.

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with my first name and last initial.

In article . com,
(IBM5081) says...
That's similar in size to a Miller or Lincoln mid-size engine-drive
arc welder. For that size engine (16-20 hp) compare the pricing to a
Miller Bobcat or Lincoln Ranger and you have an arc welder along with
power generation.

I have heard that arc welders put out really dirty power because they
use brushes instead of the brushless rotating field design that home
generators use.

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with my first name and last initial.

Don wrote:
"William Souden" wrote
Rod Speed wrote:
Nope, someone who depends on a wage for their income.

That eliminates you, welfare boy.

Welp, that explains his socialist attitude.

Pity its just that silly little ****wit's pure fantasy.

I have never ever received even a cent of welfare in my entire life.

And you wouldnt know what a socialist attitude was if it bit you on your lards arse.

Some gutless ****wit desperately cowering behind
Don wrote just the puerile
**** you'd expect from a desperately cowering gutless ****wit.

"Rod Speed" wrote
I have never ever received even a cent of welfare in my entire life.

Not all socialists accept stolen money.

And you wouldnt know what a socialist attitude was if it bit you on your
lards arse.

Your first sentence above indicates you haven't the first clue.

"Kurt Ullman" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"Don" wrote:


AT&T.
The problem is there isn't enough people around here that want broadband
and
they won't run a line just for us.

AT&T promised they would run DSL to rural areas, but there is rural
and then there is technophobic. (g0.

We're only 1/4 mile from 45, west of Bean Blossom, and on a good day I can
see the wires from my house.
But they won't run them to our house.
Frustrating.

"Larry Caldwell" wrote in message
.. .
In article , one-if-by-
(Don) says...

We're surrounded by tall trees and the dish has to face south.
I was told the 2 way internet dishes are more sensitive than the 1 way TV
dishes and after having both for almost a year now I agree.
Our internet will go out much more frequently than the TV.

That's because satellite TV is KU band, and satellite internet is KA
band. Both of them get absorbed by water, but KA band is absorbed at a
much faster rate. Clouds get in the way.

Too bad about the trees. Putting a dish on the roof makes maintenance a
bitch.

You know it.
2 weeks ago during the ice storm the dish was covered in ice and wouldn't
work.
No way in hell I was gonna get on that ice covered roof to chip the ice off.
So I tried spraying it with the water hose.
The temp was so low the water froze as soon as it hit creating 3' long
icicles.

"Rod Speed" wrote in message
...
Some gutless ****wit desperately cowering behind
wrote just the puerile
**** you'd expect from a desperately cowering gutless ****wit.

Somebody didn't get enough hugs when he was a little boy. LOL

In article ,
"Don" wrote:


AT&T promised they would run DSL to rural areas, but there is rural
and then there is technophobic. (g0.

We're only 1/4 mile from 45, west of Bean Blossom, and on a good day I can
see the wires from my house.
But they won't run them to our house.
Frustrating.

Wires aren't the problem with DSL, IIRC it is getting within a
mile of the

In article ,
"Don" wrote:

"Rod Speed" wrote in message
...
Some gutless ****wit desperately cowering behind
wrote just the puerile
**** you'd expect from a desperately cowering gutless ****wit.

Somebody didn't get enough hugs when he was a little boy. LOL

I think he was toilet trained at gunpoint...

Don wrote
Rod Speed wrote

I have never ever received even a cent of welfare in my entire life.

Not all socialists accept stolen money.

You wouldnt know what a socialist was if one bit you on your lard arse.

And you wouldnt know what a socialist attitude was if it bit you on your lards arse.

Your first sentence above indicates you haven't the first clue.

Never ever could bull**** its way out of a wet paper bag.

Some gutless ****wit desperately cowering behind
Don wrote just the puerile
**** you'd expect from a desperately cowering gutless ****wit.