This is a hoax that comes up occasionally, according to an AOL employee. It
was mentioned on another newsgroup.

dwhite

itisa

It is a damn well executed hoax. The message pops up every time you select
newsgroups on AOL. Somebody in Virginia sure thinks they are dropping NGs

gfretwell repeats:

itisa

Huh? As a quick note on the header, I got another pop up message from AOL this
morning as I headed in this direction. No dates yet, but every time I hit my
Newsgroups button, zing, the note pops up. Later today, I'll switch ISPs.

In the meantime, AOL sits back and wonders WTF is happening, why their long
time (decade or longer in my case) customers are bailing out. When I change
later today, which will be a PITA, what with address book and bookmarks and
email that has been saved for business, they lose another. But as the price has
risen, the service has dropped, so I'll take the time to locate another ISP
(probably Verizon, so that I can go DSL here if they ever do bring it in).

Charlie Self
"They want the federal government controlling Social Security like it's some
kind of federal program." George W. Bush, St. Charles, Missouri, November 2,
2000

On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 22:17:00 -0500, Dan White wrote:
This is a hoax that comes up occasionally, according to an AOL employee. It
was mentioned on another newsgroup.

I don't know, I've seen the same thing come up from several respected
members of several groups I'm in. Either they all got the same virus
all at once or something, or it's legit this time.

Even still, news.individual.net should work for anyone with any
kind of network connectivity, unless AOL goes out of their way
to block that port. So, even if you keep AOL for dialup, you can
still get Usenet....and with a better user interface to boot.

Charlie Self wrote:
Huh? As a quick note on the header, I got another pop up message from AOL this
morning as I headed in this direction. No dates yet, but every time I hit my
Newsgroups button, zing, the note pops up. Later today, I'll switch ISPs.
In the meantime, AOL sits back and wonders WTF is happening, why their long
time (decade or longer in my case) customers are bailing out. When I change
later today, which will be a PITA, what with address book and bookmarks and
email that has been saved for business, they lose another. But as the price has
risen, the service has dropped, so I'll take the time to locate another ISP
(probably Verizon, so that I can go DSL here if they ever do bring it in).

Good luck on the move. Be aware that AOL has a history of making
getting rid of them difficult. It may take some effort on your
part to get them to let go.

Dave in Fairfax
--
Dave Leader
reply-to doesn't work
use:
daveldr at att dot net
American Association of Woodturners
http://www.woodturner.org
Capital Area Woodturners
http://www.capwoodturners.org/
PATINA
http://www.Patinatools.org/

Would an actual news article be more convincing?

http://news.com.com/AOL+shutting+dow...html?tag=st_lh


Dan White wrote:
This is a hoax that comes up occasionally, according to an AOL employee. It
was mentioned on another newsgroup.

dwhite

Shawn wrote in
news:1106690652.763b30117bf733fbd25b7bebc69c2f52@t eranews:

Would an actual news article be more convincing?

http://news.com.com/AOL+shutting+dow...2_3-5550036.ht
ml?tag=st_lh


Assuming the CNet author knew what they were reporting, it is the AOL
proprietary interface to newsgroups for which they are discontinuing
support. Newsgroups are purported to continue to be available to those who
use a 'real newsgroup reader' (emphasis added.)

Never having used the AOL interface, I cannot offer an opinion as to
whether this represents a loss or not. The "Internet with training
wheels" has never appealed to me. I am not every company's dream market
focus segment, however.

Patriarch

Man, that really is amazing. Leave it to AOL to decide what's good for you.
If they don't have control over it then you shouldn't have it.

--
Jeff P.

"A ship carrying blue paint collided with a ship carrying red paint. The
crew are believed to be marooned."

Check out my woodshop at: www.sawdustcentral.com


"Shawn" wrote in message
news:1106690652.763b30117bf733fbd25b7bebc69c2f52@t eranews...
Would an actual news article be more convincing?


http://news.com.com/AOL+shutting+dow...html?tag=st_lh


Dan White wrote:
This is a hoax that comes up occasionally, according to an AOL employee.
It
was mentioned on another newsgroup.

dwhite

On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 16:49:07 -0600, Jeff P. wrote:
Man, that really is amazing. Leave it to AOL to decide what's good for you.
If they don't have control over it then you shouldn't have it.

Actually, I see it as more of a "we know our interface sucks, here
use any of these other superior ones so we can stop supporting this crap
that doesn't work as well as other options". They're not forcing
anyone to stay with AOL, nor are they limiting their customers other
options.

The only people this will inconvenience substantially are those who
won't switch from AOL and who aren't computer savvy enough to
download any of the dozens of free newsreader clients out there,
or point a browser to groups.google.com.

Nothing to see here, folks...

Gino wrote:
Can you ever remove their software without editing your registry.
I can't.

I edit my registry all the time, nothing removes cleanly, Norton
is infamous for that. I was thinking of the call-backs, and
reinstatement if anybody in the family wonders why they don't have
AOHell anymore issues. Or the arguing about whether you REALLY
want to stop your service when you tell them that. My Old Man
uses their garbage but he can't stand the browser, so I told him
to go ahead and connect, minimize their browser and start
Netscape, or any other browser and then use it. You'll still have
to find out wha ttheir NNTP host is or use another one, but
setting those up in Netscape/Mozilla/TBird is easy to do.

Dave in Fairfax
--
Dave Leader
reply-to doesn't work
use:
daveldr at att dot net
American Association of Woodturners
http://www.woodturner.org
Capital Area Woodturners
http://www.capwoodturners.org/
PATINA
http://www.Patinatools.org/

Charlie ...

In the meantime, AOL sits back and wonders WTF is happening, why their
long
time (decade or longer in my case) customers are bailing out. When I change
later today, which will be a PITA, what with address book and bookmarks and
email that has been saved for business, they lose another.

To save yourself the pain of migrating all that information, you may want to
take advantage of a not-very-widely-publicised AOL plan. You get a limited
number of hours (I think it's 5 but it might be only 3) per month --
normally for people like me who use the service only for e-mail and as
emergency backup -- for $3.95 a month.

Lee

--
To e-mail, replace "bucketofspam" with "dleegordon"

Interesting, another article stated that "AOL's Usenet implementation
was non-standard from the start. The service doesn't allow members to
connect directly to its network news transfer protocol (NNTP) servers."

From
http://www.betanews.com/article/AOL_...ice/1106664611

Out of 4 articles I read, only the CNet article made it sound like
someone could still use another reader. All the others stated that the
newsgroup service itself would be shut off.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/01...ff_newsgroups/
http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1754373,00.asp

I would guess that CNet did not clearly represent that continued service
would require a third-party service.


Patriarch wrote:
Shawn wrote in
news:1106690652.763b30117bf733fbd25b7bebc69c2f52@t eranews:


Would an actual news article be more convincing?

http://news.com.com/AOL+shutting+dow...2_3-5550036.ht
ml?tag=st_lh



Assuming the CNet author knew what they were reporting, it is the AOL
proprietary interface to newsgroups for which they are discontinuing
support. Newsgroups are purported to continue to be available to those who
use a 'real newsgroup reader' (emphasis added.)

Never having used the AOL interface, I cannot offer an opinion as to
whether this represents a loss or not. The "Internet with training
wheels" has never appealed to me. I am not every company's dream market
focus segment, however.

Patriarch

Shawn wrote:
Interesting, another article stated that "AOL's Usenet implementation
was non-standard from the start. The service doesn't allow members to
connect directly to its network news transfer protocol (NNTP) servers."

It is intersting, but they've always known that they had a problem
that resulted in their e-mail being delayed and they've never been
willing to do anything about it. Yes, I asked long ago and far
away. If I was still on that lame*$$ service I think I'd do a DNS
look-up and try configuring a newsreader to test each of the
servers listed as theirs and figure out where their NNTP host
really was and see if I could connect to it directly. That would
allow me to connect with an external browser if they refused to
tell me what the Server was. Just a thought, not a suggestion.
The suggestion would be, ditch them and get a real ISP. YMMV.

Dave in Fairfax
--
Dave Leader
reply-to doesn't work
use:
daveldr at att dot net
American Association of Woodturners
http://www.woodturner.org
Capital Area Woodturners
http://www.capwoodturners.org/
PATINA
http://www.Patinatools.org/

"Huntinweim" wrote in message
...
OH YES IT IS!

http://news.com.com/AOL+shutting+dow...3-5550036.html


My AOL "source" from the other ng who said this is a hoax just recanted!
Sounds like no big deal though.

dwhite

Top-posting with context removing sign-off fixed

On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 16:49:07 -0600, "Jeff P."
wrote:


"Shawn" wrote in message
news:1106690652.763b30117bf733fbd25b7bebc69c2f52@t eranews...
Would an actual news article be more convincing?


http://news.com.com/AOL+shutting+dow...html?tag=st_lh



Man, that really is amazing. Leave it to AOL to decide what's good for you.
If they don't have control over it then you shouldn't have it.


Looks like this may be in AOL's best interest, once again due to our
overly litigious society and the fact that AOL is a target because of its
perceived "deep pockets": From the cited article:

"AOL's newsgroups have led to some trouble for the Internet provider.
Earlier this year, AOL settled a lawsuit with writer Harlan Ellison, who
sued the company for copyright infringement. Ellison claimed AOL violated
copyright laws because his works appeared on newsgroups available through
the service."

IOW, because AOL had money, despite the fact they had no control over
Usenet content (unless there is something missing in the above statement,
such as if an AOLien posted the copyrighted works and AOL failed to respond
to notification), they were still held liable for Usenet content because
they offered access to Usenet.




+--------------------------------------------------------------------------------+

The absence of accidents does not mean the presence of safety

Army General Richard Cody

+--------------------------------------------------------------------------------+

When you phone to tell them that you're leaving, they try to "song and dance" you back into the fold. However, when you tell
them it's you money and you're not going to pay their bill, you get their attention and they do get with the program.
I was paying the bill with my credit card and I told them that as of such and such date, I was canceling AOHell and the card
I was paying with. BUT, even after 2 years, I still get their coasters in the mail.
R. Wink

On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 16:20:10 -0800, Gino wrote:

On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 23:28:14 GMT, Dave in Fairfax wrote:

Gino wrote:
Can you ever remove their software without editing your registry.
I can't.

I edit my registry all the time, nothing removes cleanly, Norton
is infamous for that. I was thinking of the call-backs, and
reinstatement if anybody in the family wonders why they don't have
AOHell anymore issues. Or the arguing about whether you REALLY
want to stop your service when you tell them that.

Been there done that. I phoned them and told them their heavy handed tactics
were not in their best interest.
They have an answer for every reason you try to give them for quitting.

My Old Man
uses their garbage but he can't stand the browser, so I told him
to go ahead and connect, minimize their browser and start
Netscape, or any other browser and then use it. You'll still have
to find out wha ttheir NNTP host is or use another one, but
setting those up in Netscape/Mozilla/TBird is easy to do.

Dave in Fairfax

R. Wink wrote:

When you phone to tell them that you're leaving, they try to "song and
dance" you back into the fold. However, when you tell them it's you money
and you're not going to pay their bill, you get their attention and they
do get with the program. I was paying the bill with my credit card and I
told them that as of such and such date, I was canceling AOHell and the
card
I was paying with. BUT, even after 2 years, I still get their coasters in
the mail. R. Wink

I know people who don't even _have_ computers who get their coasters in the
mail.

On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 16:20:10 -0800, Gino wrote:

On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 23:28:14 GMT, Dave in Fairfax
wrote:

Gino wrote:
Can you ever remove their software without editing your registry.
I can't.

I edit my registry all the time, nothing removes cleanly, Norton
is infamous for that. I was thinking of the call-backs, and
reinstatement if anybody in the family wonders why they don't have
AOHell anymore issues. Or the arguing about whether you REALLY
want to stop your service when you tell them that.

Been there done that. I phoned them and told them their heavy handed
tactics were not in their best interest.
They have an answer for every reason you try to give them for quitting.

My Old Man
uses their garbage but he can't stand the browser, so I told him
to go ahead and connect, minimize their browser and start
Netscape, or any other browser and then use it. You'll still have
to find out wha ttheir NNTP host is or use another one, but
setting those up in Netscape/Mozilla/TBird is easy to do.

Dave in Fairfax

--
--John
Reply to jclarke at ae tee tee global dot net
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)

You techno geeks crack me up with all your AOHell and "internet with
training wheels" crap. Some of us really don't feel like spending our
lives on techie issues and use the internet for a little email, some
newsgroups and a little browsing. We really don't need to see how much
time we can spend talking to the 15 year old support kid at the ISP. I
have liked my Compuserve service and I find their newsreader the most
intuitive and easy to use (with zero set-up required). I have tried
Outlook Express, I have downloaded and installed Agent and I have used
a couple others on friends' machines. They all require too much setup,
are difficult to view and require too much time spent on the software -
not on the task at hand. I compare the techie attitude to those who
think the experience of driving a car should include personally
overhauling the engine every year or so. I want a car that I can get
in, start and drive away. Get gas now and then and stop at the oil
change place every few months but otherwise focus on the drive, not
screwing around with the car...and yes I like power brakes, power
steering and auto trannys, too.

Now for jetskis...you shouldn't ride 'em if you can't fix 'em and half
the fun is fiddling with 'em

On 26 Jan 2005 08:39:42 -0800, Dave Hall wrote:
You techno geeks crack me up with all your AOHell and "internet with
training wheels" crap. Some of us really don't feel like spending our
lives on techie issues and use the internet for a little email, some
newsgroups and a little browsing.

Sounds like the 500 dollar Mac Mini is a perfect solution for you then.
It. Just. Works. I work on computers all day, and it's nice to come
home to something that isn't Windows and needing constant attention.

Now for jetskis...you shouldn't ride 'em if you can't fix 'em and half
the fun is fiddling with 'em

I assume you know that there's irony in that statement in this context.

On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 09:11:58 -0800, Gino wrote:
On 26 Jan 2005 16:52:27 GMT, Dave Hinz wrote:

Sounds like the 500 dollar Mac Mini is a perfect solution for you then.
It. Just. Works. I work on computers all day, and it's nice to come
home to something that isn't Windows and needing constant attention.

Why does your Windows require constant attention?

Mine doesn't, as it's turned off. The "Friends and family support plan
from hell" systems that I deal with, do.

I have two XP systems one Home, one Pro, both used almost 24/7.
One is 5 years old the other 2 years old and I have not had a single problem
Windows wise with either.

So, you are immune from spyware, inherently insecurely open ports,
viruses, and the BSOD? That's...incredible.

I have a few maintance utilities that run during the night, every night.
Nortons, Diskeeper, and a couple others and my systems run smooth.

I guess I'd call all of that an example of "needing constant attention".

These are full load heavy use machines, 2 CD burners, 2 DVD burners, 600Gigs of
harddrive between them.
The newer machine see's constant almost daily installation of new utilities
(even dangerous shareware and freeware) and games most of which are then removed
soon after. I haven't needed to use rollback or my Ghost backups yet.

As long as you're happy with your definition of success, that's great, but
it seems like a lot of screwing around, which is my whole point.

But I've always have been lucky with computers.
At least 16 internal and 3 external harddrives in the last ten years and not a
single one has failed. I have a buddy who had 3 fail last year costing his about
25 hours of lost work.

1. Better backups.
2. Clean power. He needs a UPS and a stack of CD-R's.

Now for jetskis...you shouldn't ride 'em if you can't fix 'em and
half
the fun is fiddling with 'em


I assume you know that there's irony in that statement in this
context.

Yeah, that's pretty much why I added that completely off topic aside to
my post. We all have hobbies where fooling with the equipment and
process is a major part of the fun. Most hobby woodworkers understand
that - and, in the context of woodworking, it probably bemuses many
professional woodworkers no end.

In article ,
Mark & Juanita wrote:

Top-posting with context removing sign-off fixed

On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 16:49:07 -0600, "Jeff P."
wrote:


"Shawn" wrote in message
news:1106690652.763b30117bf733fbd25b7bebc69c2f52@ teranews...
Would an actual news article be more convincing?


http://news.com.com/AOL+shutting+dow...html?tag=st_lh



Man, that really is amazing. Leave it to AOL to decide what's good for you.
If they don't have control over it then you shouldn't have it.


Looks like this may be in AOL's best interest, once again due to our
overly litigious society and the fact that AOL is a target because of its
perceived "deep pockets": From the cited article:

"AOL's newsgroups have led to some trouble for the Internet provider.
Earlier this year, AOL settled a lawsuit with writer Harlan Ellison, who
sued the company for copyright infringement. Ellison claimed AOL violated
copyright laws because his works appeared on newsgroups available through
the service."

IOW, because AOL had money, despite the fact they had no control over
Usenet content (unless there is something missing in the above statement,
such as if an AOLien posted the copyrighted works and AOL failed to respond
to notification), they were still held liable for Usenet content because
they offered access to Usenet.

NAH. It's because AOL's lawyers were *utterly* incompetent.

Apparently they never read 47 USC 230 (c) (1).

which can be found online at http://www3.law.cornell.edu/uscode/47/230.html

Harlan should have been laughed out of court.

I'd hardly consider running a few safety programs "constant attention". If
you were to use your car as often as you use your computer it wouldn't last
a year. Let's not get into a windows vs PC war here.

--
Jeff P.

"A new study shows that licking the sweat off a frog
can cure depression. The down side is, the minute
you stop licking, the frog gets depressed again." - Jay Leno


Check out my woodshop at: www.sawdustcentral.com


"Dave Hinz" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 09:11:58 -0800, Gino wrote:
On 26 Jan 2005 16:52:27 GMT, Dave Hinz wrote:

Sounds like the 500 dollar Mac Mini is a perfect solution for you then.
It. Just. Works. I work on computers all day, and it's nice to come
home to something that isn't Windows and needing constant attention.

Why does your Windows require constant attention?

Mine doesn't, as it's turned off. The "Friends and family support plan
from hell" systems that I deal with, do.

I have two XP systems one Home, one Pro, both used almost 24/7.
One is 5 years old the other 2 years old and I have not had a single
problem
Windows wise with either.

So, you are immune from spyware, inherently insecurely open ports,
viruses, and the BSOD? That's...incredible.

I have a few maintance utilities that run during the night, every night.
Nortons, Diskeeper, and a couple others and my systems run smooth.

I guess I'd call all of that an example of "needing constant attention".

These are full load heavy use machines, 2 CD burners, 2 DVD burners,
600Gigs of
harddrive between them.
The newer machine see's constant almost daily installation of new
utilities
(even dangerous shareware and freeware) and games most of which are then
removed
soon after. I haven't needed to use rollback or my Ghost backups yet.

As long as you're happy with your definition of success, that's great, but
it seems like a lot of screwing around, which is my whole point.

But I've always have been lucky with computers.
At least 16 internal and 3 external harddrives in the last ten years and
not a
single one has failed. I have a buddy who had 3 fail last year costing
his about
25 hours of lost work.

1. Better backups.
2. Clean power. He needs a UPS and a stack of CD-R's.

I meant to say...windows vs mac...DOH

--
Jeff P.

"A new study shows that licking the sweat off a frog
can cure depression. The down side is, the minute
you stop licking, the frog gets depressed again." - Jay Leno


Check out my woodshop at: www.sawdustcentral.com


"Jeff P." wrote in message
...
I'd hardly consider running a few safety programs "constant attention".
If
you were to use your car as often as you use your computer it wouldn't
last
a year. Let's not get into a windows vs PC war here.

--
Jeff P.

"A new study shows that licking the sweat off a frog
can cure depression. The down side is, the minute
you stop licking, the frog gets depressed again." - Jay Leno


Check out my woodshop at: www.sawdustcentral.com


"Dave Hinz" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 09:11:58 -0800, Gino wrote:
On 26 Jan 2005 16:52:27 GMT, Dave Hinz wrote:

Sounds like the 500 dollar Mac Mini is a perfect solution for you
then.
It. Just. Works. I work on computers all day, and it's nice to come
home to something that isn't Windows and needing constant attention.

Why does your Windows require constant attention?

Mine doesn't, as it's turned off. The "Friends and family support plan
from hell" systems that I deal with, do.

I have two XP systems one Home, one Pro, both used almost 24/7.
One is 5 years old the other 2 years old and I have not had a single
problem
Windows wise with either.

So, you are immune from spyware, inherently insecurely open ports,
viruses, and the BSOD? That's...incredible.

I have a few maintance utilities that run during the night, every
night.
Nortons, Diskeeper, and a couple others and my systems run smooth.

I guess I'd call all of that an example of "needing constant attention".

These are full load heavy use machines, 2 CD burners, 2 DVD burners,
600Gigs of
harddrive between them.
The newer machine see's constant almost daily installation of new
utilities
(even dangerous shareware and freeware) and games most of which are
then
removed
soon after. I haven't needed to use rollback or my Ghost backups yet.

As long as you're happy with your definition of success, that's great,
but
it seems like a lot of screwing around, which is my whole point.

But I've always have been lucky with computers.
At least 16 internal and 3 external harddrives in the last ten years
and
not a
single one has failed. I have a buddy who had 3 fail last year costing
his about
25 hours of lost work.

1. Better backups.
2. Clean power. He needs a UPS and a stack of CD-R's.

Ah, the joys of changing over. AOL recommends Mozilla for NGs. So I go for it,
download for nearly 45 minutes, install as per directions, and open the
program.

Yeah, right, as one of my granddaughters is wont to say. Mozilla loads with
some kind of ISP called PeoplePC which immediately informs me my first month is
free, but after that, $10.95. It then doesn't DO anything. Neither one do. I
can't reach the web sites, can't send mail, cannot do squat.

Back to the drawing board. Earthlink loaded most of the way, then got a Sys2099
error and stopped after I entered my phone number. That CD may be on its way. I
guess it is. I guess I care, but not much. Even $9.95 a month is too much for
that kind of nonsense.

I am recalling why I have stayed with AOL so long, and I am even more ****ed at
them for dropping NGs. If only...if only Google's NG layout wasn't such a
frigging disaster.

Charlie Self
"They want the federal government controlling Social Security like it's some
kind of federal program." George W. Bush, St. Charles, Missouri, November 2,
2000

Forte Agent does a fairly good job as a newsgroup reader. It is the reader of
choice if you like multipart binaries.

On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 00:30:34 GMT, Jeff P. wrote:
I'd hardly consider running a few safety programs "constant attention".

My point, top-posting Jeff, is that the archtecture of windows is such that
those 'safety programs' have to be run at all.

If
you were to use your car as often as you use your computer it wouldn't last
a year.

I'm not sure I follow that statement?

Let's not get into a windows vs PC war here.

Fair enough. Enjoy giving your machines constant attention, and I'll
enjoy my OS which still has zero viruses, due to it's inherent design
differences from Windows.

Most people prefer
FreeAgent but I've always liked Gravity better. I don't like either one
for newgroup binaries, I've kept an old copy of Netscape 3.x for that.

Get the real version of Agent. It's cheap.
Does Netscape 3 handle Yenc?

On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 10:32:15 -0800, Larry Blanchard wrote:

I do use Mozilla Thunderbird for email because it handles multiple
accounts quite well.

Why not try Opera 8. It's free, very fast and stable browser. It don't crash
like Netscrap or IE. http://www.opera.com/products/

In article ,
otforme says...
Ah, the joys of changing over. AOL recommends Mozilla for NGs. So I go for it,
download for nearly 45 minutes, install as per directions, and open the
program.

Yeah, right, as one of my granddaughters is wont to say. Mozilla loads with
some kind of ISP called PeoplePC which immediately informs me my first month is
free, but after that, $10.95. It then doesn't DO anything. Neither one do. I
can't reach the web sites, can't send mail, cannot do squat.

Charlie, just download FreeAgent or Gravity. They will read news ONLY.
They don't do web browsing or email. They are free. Most people prefer
FreeAgent but I've always liked Gravity better. I don't like either one
for newgroup binaries, I've kept an old copy of Netscape 3.x for that.

I don't know where you got Mozilla from. I downloaded it from the
Mozilla home site and I got none of the Peoplesoft junk. The only
reason I'm not using it is it's too slow on my old machine.

I do use Mozilla Thunderbird for email because it handles multiple
accounts quite well.

--
Homo sapiens is a goal, not a description

Larry Blanchard responds:

Ah, the joys of changing over. AOL recommends Mozilla for NGs. So I go for
it,
download for nearly 45 minutes, install as per directions, and open the
program.

Yeah, right, as one of my granddaughters is wont to say. Mozilla loads with
some kind of ISP called PeoplePC which immediately informs me my first
month is
free, but after that, $10.95. It then doesn't DO anything. Neither one do.
I
can't reach the web sites, can't send mail, cannot do squat.

Charlie, just download FreeAgent or Gravity. They will read news ONLY.
They don't do web browsing or email. They are free. Most people prefer
FreeAgent but I've always liked Gravity better. I don't like either one
for newgroup binaries, I've kept an old copy of Netscape 3.x for that.

I don't know where you got Mozilla from. I downloaded it from the
Mozilla home site and I got none of the Peoplesoft junk. The only
reason I'm not using it is it's too slow on my old machine.


I got mine from their site. It had the PeopleSoft crap on it the first time it
opened. I couldn't get PS to do anything, and Mozilla was even worse. Wasted
time.

Charlie Self
"They want the federal government controlling Social Security like it's some
kind of federal program." George W. Bush, St. Charles, Missouri, November 2,
2000

WD responds:


On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 10:32:15 -0800, Larry Blanchard
wrote:

I do use Mozilla Thunderbird for email because it handles multiple
accounts quite well.

Why not try Opera 8. It's free, very fast and stable browser. It don't crash
like Netscrap or IE. http://www.opera.com/products/

Looks great, but without a mention of what I need, Nesgroup access.

Charlie Self
"They want the federal government controlling Social Security like it's some
kind of federal program." George W. Bush, St. Charles, Missouri, November 2,
2000

In article ,
WD wrote:
On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 10:32:15 -0800, Larry Blanchard wrote:

I do use Mozilla Thunderbird for email because it handles multiple
accounts quite well.

Why not try Opera 8. It's free, very fast and stable browser. It don't crash
like Netscrap or IE. http://www.opera.com/products/

Maybe 'cuz "Thunderbird" is a dedicated e-mail client, and does e-mail *ONLY*.
It doesn't pretend to be anything else.

Some people prefer single-function applications.

Opera _is_ a *good* web-browser. But you have to pay money to get the version
*without* the intrusive advertising.

On a par with Firefox (from the Mozilla people).


For e-mail -- especially for virtually 'no-risk' handling of incoming mail,
"The Bat!", although a for-pay program, is *very* difficult to beat. It is
about the only program (I don't -know- of any others, but there may be some)
where you can tell it to _completely_ ignore any/all HTML in a message. *OR*
to ignore links and references while allowing HTML formatting to occur. And
it _won't_ pull in anything that isn't already part of the message. "web bugs",
and such, just "don't work" when mail is read with "The Bat!".


If I had to be reading mail on a PC, I'd be using it, myself. Since I read
all my mail on a UNIX box, my situation is different. The Bat! is the only
thing I recommend to my clients, however.

On 28 Jan 2005 18:44:39 GMT, otforme (Charlie Self) wrote:

Why not try Opera 8. It's free, very fast and stable browser. It don't crash
like Netscrap or IE. http://www.opera.com/products/

To access ng, get Free Agent. To surf the net get Opera... Both FREE and GREAT.
Too many praises given to Firefox, "to be fair and balance" you should try
Opera.


Looks great, but without a mention of what I need, Nesgroup access.

Charlie Self
"They want the federal government controlling Social Security like it's some
kind of federal program." George W. Bush, St. Charles, Missouri, November 2,
2000

Robert Bonomi responds:

I do use Mozilla Thunderbird for email because it handles multiple
accounts quite well.

Why not try Opera 8. It's free, very fast and stable browser. It don't
crash
like Netscrap or IE. http://www.opera.com/products/

Maybe 'cuz "Thunderbird" is a dedicated e-mail client, and does e-mail
*ONLY*.
It doesn't pretend to be anything else.

Some people prefer single-function applications.

Opera _is_ a *good* web-browser. But you have to pay money to get the
version
*without* the intrusive advertising.

On a par with Firefox (from the Mozilla people).


For e-mail -- especially for virtually 'no-risk' handling of incoming mail,
"The Bat!", although a for-pay program, is *very* difficult to beat. It is
about the only program (I don't -know- of any others, but there may be some)
where you can tell it to _completely_ ignore any/all HTML in a message. *OR*
to ignore links and references while allowing HTML formatting to occur. And
it _won't_ pull in anything that isn't already part of the message. "web
bugs",
and such, just "don't work" when mail is read with "The Bat!".

Jeez. Well, if Earthlink doesn't work--God knows, the invoice comes quickly
enough, even though the program won't load--it's upwards and onwards. Verizon.
I'll likely end up there anyway, because--so they say every six months--in six
months they'll be "giving" us DSL.

Charlie Self
"They want the federal government controlling Social Security like it's some
kind of federal program." George W. Bush, St. Charles, Missouri, November 2,
2000

In article ,
says...
Most people prefer
FreeAgent but I've always liked Gravity better. I don't like either one
for newgroup binaries, I've kept an old copy of Netscape 3.x for that.

Get the real version of Agent. It's cheap.
Does Netscape 3 handle Yenc?

No, but that's mostly used on the porn groups.

--
Homo sapiens is a goal, not a description

In article ,
says...
On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 10:32:15 -0800, Larry Blanchard wrote:

I do use Mozilla Thunderbird for email because it handles multiple
accounts quite well.

Why not try Opera 8. It's free, very fast and stable browser. It don't crash
like Netscrap or IE. http://www.opera.com/products/

I tried Opera a while back. Didn't like it, although I don't remember
the reasons. I use Mozilla under Linux and Netscape 4 under Windows.

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Homo sapiens is a goal, not a description

In article , -
bonomi.com says...
Opera _is_ a *good* web-browser. But you have to pay money to get the version
*without* the intrusive advertising.

Ahah! THAT's why I didn't like it :-).

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Homo sapiens is a goal, not a description