I have been getting horrid headaches after using my sander. Being from the
old school of thought, a respirator was what was used for painting, solvents
etc... Is there a respirator out there that won't fog my glasses or be an
absolute pain in the face to wear? I am not thrilled about the thought in
the first place but it is better the the pain I get after a couple of hours
of sanding. Any thoughts or comments???

EPI

On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 07:28:52 -0700, the inscrutable "Hansen"
spake:

I have been getting horrid headaches after using my sander. Being from the
old school of thought, a respirator was what was used for painting, solvents
etc... Is there a respirator out there that won't fog my glasses or be an
absolute pain in the face to wear? I am not thrilled about the thought in
the first place but it is better the the pain I get after a couple of hours
of sanding. Any thoughts or comments???

If you're referring to the white fiber respirators, toss 'em. Even the
good types don't seal well at all.

Try a supplied-air or full face mask if the silicone rubber half-face
respirators don't seal. And don't forget those tap, tap, tap safety
ear plugs (or muffs.) Sound could be another potential cause of those
headaches.


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When I'm sanding I have a 20" box fan setup on my bench with 2 filters. I
have the good 3m filter (forget how small a micron it filters but it gets
pretty fine). then I have a cheap fiberglass filter outside of it. I made
like a J-channel for them to sit in then tape the edges to keep it sealed.
Does a pretty good job.

--

Mike S.

http://members.tripod.com/n0yii/woodworking.htm

I do use the 22 decibels ear muffs always (work tunes), so I don't think
that it is the noise. I have used the paper filters before and I won't use
them. I used to have an old 3M single cartridge. It used to fog my glasses
so that in of it self made it dangerous. I am in a quandary.
"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 07:28:52 -0700, the inscrutable "Hansen"
spake:

I have been getting horrid headaches after using my sander. Being from
the
old school of thought, a respirator was what was used for painting,
solvents
etc... Is there a respirator out there that won't fog my glasses or be an
absolute pain in the face to wear? I am not thrilled about the thought
in
the first place but it is better the the pain I get after a couple of
hours
of sanding. Any thoughts or comments???

If you're referring to the white fiber respirators, toss 'em. Even the
good types don't seal well at all.

Try a supplied-air or full face mask if the silicone rubber half-face
respirators don't seal. And don't forget those tap, tap, tap safety
ear plugs (or muffs.) Sound could be another potential cause of those
headaches.


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Do you just set it next to your project and let it catch what it catches or
do you have a box or "wind tunnel" type of set up?
"Mike S." wrote in message
m...
When I'm sanding I have a 20" box fan setup on my bench with 2 filters. I
have the good 3m filter (forget how small a micron it filters but it gets
pretty fine). then I have a cheap fiberglass filter outside of it. I made
like a J-channel for them to sit in then tape the edges to keep it sealed.
Does a pretty good job.

--

Mike S.

http://members.tripod.com/n0yii/woodworking.htm

"Hansen" wrote in message
...
I have been getting horrid headaches after using my sander. Being from the
old school of thought, a respirator was what was used for painting,
solvents
etc... Is there a respirator out there that won't fog my glasses or be an
absolute pain in the face to wear? I am not thrilled about the thought in
the first place but it is better the the pain I get after a couple of
hours
of sanding. Any thoughts or comments???


Probably gritting your teeth.

However, unless the extractives in the wood you're sanding have a noticeable
odor, all you need is a dust mask and distance from the work. You can get
into problems if you get a mask which restricts airflow severely. We have
to go through lung function tests before we're certified for the HEPA masks
we wear as contagion prevention, and some are prohibited from using them.

I've got Bosch sanders with good dust recovery, and a downdraft (pegboard)
box for small stuff where the hoses get in the way.

On Sat 22 Jan 2005 08:28:52a, "Hansen" wrote in
:

I have been getting horrid headaches after using my sander. Being from
the old school of thought, a respirator was what was used for
painting, solvents etc... Is there a respirator out there that won't
fog my glasses or be an absolute pain in the face to wear? I am not
thrilled about the thought in the first place but it is better the
the pain I get after a couple of hours of sanding. Any thoughts or
comments???

EPI
I use a mid-line cannister-type respirator. It seals good and I bought
cannisters for dust and chemical fumes. SWMBO is a lot more sensitive to
that stuff than I am, so her experience is probably a better indicator;
for her there isn't any difference at all between those paper doctor's
masks and wearing nothing. She got headaches just as bad.

With the cannister type, she's fine. We clean 'em pretty regularly and
change the cannisters often. They're kinda bulky, and you look like
something out of a sci fi movie but they don't fog the glasses and with
those little claptrap valves for outgoing air, you can breathe much
easier than the paper ones. Especially if you change the cannisters
often. She wears hers when she trims the dogs' toenails with a little
dremel tool.

I bought mine at a safety supply place here in town so I'd have a ready
supply of cannisters. I see the Borg has some that look pretty much like
the ones we own, but I haven't tried them on to see how they feel. Ours
are nice and comfortable, and whatever they're made of, the seal stays
flexible and doesn't get all sweaty. I've forgotten mine was on a couple
times and got a surprise when I went to scratch my nose. :-)

Dan

On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 15:16:55 GMT, the inscrutable "Mike S."
spake:

When I'm sanding I have a 20" box fan setup on my bench with 2 filters. I
have the good 3m filter (forget how small a micron it filters but it gets
pretty fine). then I have a cheap fiberglass filter outside of it. I made
like a J-channel for them to sit in then tape the edges to keep it sealed.
Does a pretty good job.

I tried that with a 20" box fan and one paper filter. Airflow
reduction was about 80-90% with the single filter as judged by the
hairs on the back of my hand 8" from the pack of the filter area.
Perhaps the Filtrete filters are less restrictive, but my test failed.


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Thanks George. I too have gone through the Pulmanary Funtion testing ( I am
former firefighter). I was thinking about a down draft table, however, I
dont have the room in my garage (where I do my wood working) for too much
else. I have a Dewalt finish sander that I use quite a bit and I seem to get
quite a bit of dust in the collection bag. Whether it is good or bad at it,
I don't know, as I don't have anything else for comparison. I am looking for
a "magic pill" ie: quick fix, cheap small, perfect, all purpose solve all.
Sorry medication seems to be wearing off, delusional fantasy At the moment
I am hoping that everyone will give me an opinion or an idea and one or two
of them will fit my need or whatever. Thanks for the imput.

EPI
"George" george@least wrote in message
...

"Hansen" wrote in message
...
I have been getting horrid headaches after using my sander. Being from
the
old school of thought, a respirator was what was used for painting,
solvents
etc... Is there a respirator out there that won't fog my glasses or be
an
absolute pain in the face to wear? I am not thrilled about the thought
in
the first place but it is better the the pain I get after a couple of
hours
of sanding. Any thoughts or comments???


Probably gritting your teeth.

However, unless the extractives in the wood you're sanding have a
noticeable
odor, all you need is a dust mask and distance from the work. You can get
into problems if you get a mask which restricts airflow severely. We have
to go through lung function tests before we're certified for the HEPA
masks
we wear as contagion prevention, and some are prohibited from using them.

I've got Bosch sanders with good dust recovery, and a downdraft (pegboard)
box for small stuff where the hoses get in the way.

That sounds like what I am looking for. Comfey and easy (call it age). Do
you by chance know the brand of your respirator? How "cheap" are your
canisters? One last question, does it have one or two straps that go over
your head. I had the 1 strap and it sucked!!!

On a side note what is "SWMBO" ?!?!?!


Epi
"Dan" wrote in message
.. .
On Sat 22 Jan 2005 08:28:52a, "Hansen" wrote in
:

I have been getting horrid headaches after using my sander. Being from
the old school of thought, a respirator was what was used for
painting, solvents etc... Is there a respirator out there that won't
fog my glasses or be an absolute pain in the face to wear? I am not
thrilled about the thought in the first place but it is better the
the pain I get after a couple of hours of sanding. Any thoughts or
comments???

EPI
I use a mid-line cannister-type respirator. It seals good and I bought
cannisters for dust and chemical fumes. SWMBO is a lot more sensitive to
that stuff than I am, so her experience is probably a better indicator;
for her there isn't any difference at all between those paper doctor's
masks and wearing nothing. She got headaches just as bad.

With the cannister type, she's fine. We clean 'em pretty regularly and
change the cannisters often. They're kinda bulky, and you look like
something out of a sci fi movie but they don't fog the glasses and with
those little claptrap valves for outgoing air, you can breathe much
easier than the paper ones. Especially if you change the cannisters
often. She wears hers when she trims the dogs' toenails with a little
dremel tool.

I bought mine at a safety supply place here in town so I'd have a ready
supply of cannisters. I see the Borg has some that look pretty much like
the ones we own, but I haven't tried them on to see how they feel. Ours
are nice and comfortable, and whatever they're made of, the seal stays
flexible and doesn't get all sweaty. I've forgotten mine was on a couple
times and got a surprise when I went to scratch my nose. :-)

Dan

On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 07:28:52 -0700, "Hansen"
wrote:

I have been getting horrid headaches after using my sander. Being from the
old school of thought, a respirator was what was used for painting, solvents
etc... Is there a respirator out there that won't fog my glasses or be an
absolute pain in the face to wear? I am not thrilled about the thought in
the first place but it is better the the pain I get after a couple of hours
of sanding. Any thoughts or comments???

EPI



first get a sander with dust collection and one of the new high
efficiency vacuums to attach to it. not only will this catch *almost*
all of the dust, it'll make cleaning up a whole lot easier.

then, if you still need a mask, look into a supplied air unit.

"Hansen" wrote in message
...
Thanks George. I too have gone through the Pulmanary Funtion testing ( I
am
former firefighter). I was thinking about a down draft table, however, I
dont have the room in my garage (where I do my wood working) for too much
else. I have a Dewalt finish sander that I use quite a bit and I seem to
get
quite a bit of dust in the collection bag.

What do you call a downdraft table with a sheet of MDO fitted over it? A
work table.

Don't waste the space below, and it's a work cabinet to hold your sanders.

On Sat 22 Jan 2005 11:51:36a, "Hansen" wrote in
:

That sounds like what I am looking for. Comfey and easy (call it age).
Do you by chance know the brand of your respirator?

I can't remember. I just went looking for it and it looks like they're
both out in the garage. I just spent the last three hours or so
shoveling snow, it's about 15 degrees and blowing, and I'm in my
slippers with a hot chocolate. The garage isn't attached. Sorry, not
going out to look just yet. I remember it was under twenty bucks,
though. Walked into the front office and told the guy at the counter I
wanted something comfortable, trustworthy, and cheap. He pointed me at
those things. But what's around me here in Wisconsin may not be what
you've got locally, and I think it's better to buy this kind of stuff
locally so you won't have to keep mailing out for cannisters.

How "cheap" are your canisters?

The particulate catchers aren't much. Under five bucks, I think. Bought
a supply of 'em when I bought the masks a couple years ago and haven't
checked prices since. The ones for fumes are more expensive. Ya got yer
basic fume cannisters, and then ya got yer... hm. Something else. Jeez,
just three or four hours of shoveling snow in a blizzard and my mind
just shuts down. There's two or three kinds of fume cannisters. I got
all of 'em except the biohazard nuclear apocalypse ones.

One last question, does it have one or two straps that go over
your head. I had the 1 strap and it sucked!!!

It's got two straps. Kinda like this one:
http://www.taunton.com/finewoodworking/pages/w00112.asp
(pretty good article, by the way.)
I'd suggest checking the phone book for places like Lab Safety Supply
and work from there. The place I found actually had some floor models I
could try on.

On a side note what is "SWMBO" ?!?!?!

She Who Must Be Obeyed. :-)
It's a Wreck thing.

Half-face respirator made of silicone for comfort. The nose cup keeps
glasses from fogging. You can probably use the simplest HEPA filter
cartridges. I use the organic vapor / acid vapor / HEPA combo so I can use
my mask for stripping, sanding, and finishing.

Good Luck.

"Hansen" wrote in message
...
I have been getting horrid headaches after using my sander. Being from the
old school of thought, a respirator was what was used for painting,
solvents
etc... Is there a respirator out there that won't fog my glasses or be an
absolute pain in the face to wear? I am not thrilled about the thought in
the first place but it is better the the pain I get after a couple of
hours
of sanding. Any thoughts or comments???

EPI

Take a look at the 3M 8511 N95 (eBay has some great deals on them)

I wear one every single day in the shop except when spraying, then I wear a respirator with a charcoal filter.

Hope this helps!
Ed
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"Hansen" wrote in message ...
I have been getting horrid headaches after using my sander. Being from the
old school of thought, a respirator was what was used for painting, solvents
etc... Is there a respirator out there that won't fog my glasses or be an
absolute pain in the face to wear? I am not thrilled about the thought in
the first place but it is better the the pain I get after a couple of hours
of sanding. Any thoughts or comments???

EPI

On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 11:59:18 -0500, "George" george@least wrote:


"Hansen" wrote in message
...
I have been getting horrid headaches after using my sander. Being from the
old school of thought, a respirator was what was used for painting,
solvents
etc... Is there a respirator out there that won't fog my glasses or be an
absolute pain in the face to wear? I am not thrilled about the thought in
the first place but it is better the the pain I get after a couple of
hours
of sanding. Any thoughts or comments???


Probably gritting your teeth.

However, unless the extractives in the wood you're sanding have a noticeable
odor, all you need is a dust mask and distance from the work. You can get
into problems if you get a mask which restricts airflow severely. We have
to go through lung function tests before we're certified for the HEPA masks
we wear as contagion prevention, and some are prohibited from using them.

I've got Bosch sanders with good dust recovery, and a downdraft (pegboard)
box for small stuff where the hoses get in the way.


If all you need is a dust mask, I'd suggest the Dustfoe 66. They do a
good job and they don't fog my glasses. About $25 from Woodcraft, etc.

--RC
"Sometimes history doesn't repeat itself. It just yells
'can't you remember anything I've told you?' and lets
fly with a club.
-- John W. Cambell Jr.

AAAALLLLL RRRIIIIGGGHHHT then. I like that SWMBO. Wife got a kick out of it
too... Thank you for all your help. I live in Wyoming and I understand the
whole slippers / hot chocolate / snow thing. I called a place here in town
an industrial supply outfit and they have 10 different respirators. 3 with
gel type masks and a nose cup so I won't fog my glasses. They even carry all
the different filters for all of them. The prices are anywhere from
reasonable to 2nd morgage. I guess I will be making a trip down there here
in the near future. Thanks again for all the help from everybody that
contributed. Stay warm and safe.

EPI
"Dan" wrote in message
.. .
On Sat 22 Jan 2005 11:51:36a, "Hansen" wrote in
:

That sounds like what I am looking for. Comfey and easy (call it age).
Do you by chance know the brand of your respirator?

I can't remember. I just went looking for it and it looks like they're
both out in the garage. I just spent the last three hours or so
shoveling snow, it's about 15 degrees and blowing, and I'm in my
slippers with a hot chocolate. The garage isn't attached. Sorry, not
going out to look just yet. I remember it was under twenty bucks,
though. Walked into the front office and told the guy at the counter I
wanted something comfortable, trustworthy, and cheap. He pointed me at
those things. But what's around me here in Wisconsin may not be what
you've got locally, and I think it's better to buy this kind of stuff
locally so you won't have to keep mailing out for cannisters.

How "cheap" are your canisters?

The particulate catchers aren't much. Under five bucks, I think. Bought
a supply of 'em when I bought the masks a couple years ago and haven't
checked prices since. The ones for fumes are more expensive. Ya got yer
basic fume cannisters, and then ya got yer... hm. Something else. Jeez,
just three or four hours of shoveling snow in a blizzard and my mind
just shuts down. There's two or three kinds of fume cannisters. I got
all of 'em except the biohazard nuclear apocalypse ones.

One last question, does it have one or two straps that go over
your head. I had the 1 strap and it sucked!!!

It's got two straps. Kinda like this one:
http://www.taunton.com/finewoodworking/pages/w00112.asp
(pretty good article, by the way.)
I'd suggest checking the phone book for places like Lab Safety Supply
and work from there. The place I found actually had some floor models I
could try on.

On a side note what is "SWMBO" ?!?!?!

She Who Must Be Obeyed. :-)
It's a Wreck thing.

Thank you for all of your responces... I contacted a local industrial
supplier and from what all of you have replied with I am well on my way to
living a full and happy life. Or at least I will not be crabby with a
headache. Thanks to all.

EPI
"Hansen" wrote in message
...
I have been getting horrid headaches after using my sander. Being from the
old school of thought, a respirator was what was used for painting,
solvents
etc... Is there a respirator out there that won't fog my glasses or be an
absolute pain in the face to wear? I am not thrilled about the thought in
the first place but it is better the the pain I get after a couple of
hours
of sanding. Any thoughts or comments???

EPI

I built a table with a peg hole top and tubes inside then hooked it to my
shop vac (outside) and I have little to know problem with saw dust. I do
also keep a fan on to move the air through my shop. Maybe it would work for
you. Got the idea off a show that used to be on diy with a guy in Canada.
(not John Eeks)

-- Log

"Hansen" wrote in message
...
I have been getting horrid headaches after using my sander. Being from the
old school of thought, a respirator was what was used for painting,
solvents
etc... Is there a respirator out there that won't fog my glasses or be an
absolute pain in the face to wear? I am not thrilled about the thought in
the first place but it is better the the pain I get after a couple of
hours
of sanding. Any thoughts or comments???

EPI

On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 08:18:09 -0700, the inscrutable "Hansen"
spake:

I do use the 22 decibels ear muffs always (work tunes), so I don't think
that it is the noise.


I have used the paper filters before and I won't use
them. I used to have an old 3M single cartridge. It used to fog my glasses
so that in of it self made it dangerous. I am in a quandary.

I have the $20 twin-cartridge 3M respirator from Lee Valley. It has a
separate exhale valve and works well. The newer styles have an even
larger exhale valve for even less restriction and fogging. The twin
works pretty well for me, but it could seal a bit better. I haven't
sprung the crowbar for a full-face respirator yet, but if I'm going
to be working with ammonia, I may do that. It gets to your eyes just
like tear gas.


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"Hansen" wrote in
:

I have been getting horrid headaches after using my sander. Being from
the old school of thought, a respirator was what was used for
painting, solvents etc... Is there a respirator out there that won't
fog my glasses or be an absolute pain in the face to wear? I am not
thrilled about the thought in the first place but it is better the
the pain I get after a couple of hours of sanding. Any thoughts or
comments???

I use a Porter Cable 334 random orbital sander ... pulled off the cheesy
little dust cup that came with the sander and instead used some plumbing
adapters to hook it up to my dust collector.

Sort of like a poor man's Fein sander.

For other jobs in the shop (finishing and plunge routing) I use a half-face
3M respirator with a combination dust/acid/organic cartridge.

Hi Hansen,
If a respirator is fogging your glasses then the respirator does not fit
properly. Exhaled air should only leave through the exit valve. Most
manufactures make at least three sizes. The size that you need has little to do
with body size. You need to actually try them on. A quick and better than
nothing test to determine if the respirator fits is to put the unit on, adjust
the straps until it is tight but not deformed, remove the cartridges or filter
holders, put your palms over the holes and try to inhale. If you can inhale it
does not fit. JG

Hansen wrote:

I do use the 22 decibels ear muffs always (work tunes), so I don't think
that it is the noise. I have used the paper filters before and I won't use
them. I used to have an old 3M single cartridge. It used to fog my glasses
so that in of it self made it dangerous. I am in a quandary.
"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 07:28:52 -0700, the inscrutable "Hansen"
spake:

I have been getting horrid headaches after using my sander. Being from
the
old school of thought, a respirator was what was used for painting,
solvents
etc... Is there a respirator out there that won't fog my glasses or be an
absolute pain in the face to wear? I am not thrilled about the thought
in
the first place but it is better the the pain I get after a couple of
hours
of sanding. Any thoughts or comments???

If you're referring to the white fiber respirators, toss 'em. Even the
good types don't seal well at all.

Try a supplied-air or full face mask if the silicone rubber half-face
respirators don't seal. And don't forget those tap, tap, tap safety
ear plugs (or muffs.) Sound could be another potential cause of those
headaches.


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Dan wrote:

The particulate catchers aren't much. Under five bucks, I think. Bought
a supply of 'em when I bought the masks a couple years ago and haven't
checked prices since. The ones for fumes are more expensive. Ya got yer
basic fume cannisters, and then ya got yer... hm. Something else. Jeez,
just three or four hours of shoveling snow in a blizzard and my mind
just shuts down.

One last question, does it have one or two straps that go over
your head. I had the 1 strap and it sucked!!!


It's got two straps. Kinda like this one:
http://www.taunton.com/finewoodworking/pages/w00112.asp
(pretty good article, by the way.)
We used those, then the rules on test and servicing changed and we went
over to 3M 4277's with non-detachable all risk filters, except when
serious stuff happens then its full face canister type or SCBA!

On a side note what is "SWMBO" ?!?!?!


She Who Must Be Obeyed. :-)
It's a Wreck thing.
Here its SWTSMBO!

On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 09:42:27 -0800, Larry Jaques
vaguely proposed a theory
.......and in reply I say!:

remove ns from my header address to reply via email

OOI, Larry. Were you using a pleated paper filter? If it was just a
layer, then you lose a lot of area. I am asking, not lecturing. I was
going to set up a boxfan filter. and was interested.

I tried that with a 20" box fan and one paper filter. Airflow
reduction was about 80-90% with the single filter as judged by the
hairs on the back of my hand 8" from the pack of the filter area.
Perhaps the Filtrete filters are less restrictive, but my test failed.


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On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 19:42:57 GMT, Dan vaguely
proposed a theory
.......and in reply I say!:

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False credit. SWMBO gets used elsewhere, and She Who Must Be Obeyed
came for some poor ******* called...ummmm.... Adam? G

On a side note what is "SWMBO" ?!?!?!

She Who Must Be Obeyed. :-)
It's a Wreck thing.

On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 07:28:52 -0700, "Hansen"
vaguely proposed a theory
.......and in reply I say!:

remove ns from my header address to reply via email

Someone mentioned gritting your teeth.

By all means get a respirator or supplied-air helmet. But it may
actually be posture or stress, not the dust, if you are doing a lot of
sanding, standing up, and leaning over the work. bear that in mind if
the respirator does not work.

I have been getting horrid headaches after using my sander. Being from the
old school of thought, a respirator was what was used for painting, solvents
etc... Is there a respirator out there that won't fog my glasses or be an
absolute pain in the face to wear? I am not thrilled about the thought in
the first place but it is better the the pain I get after a couple of hours
of sanding. Any thoughts or comments???

EPI

Old Nick wrote:

On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 19:42:57 GMT, Dan vaguely
proposed a theory
......and in reply I say!:

remove ns from my header address to reply via email

False credit. SWMBO gets used elsewhere, and She Who Must Be Obeyed
came for some poor ******* called...ummmm.... Adam? G

"Rumpole of the Bailey".....

Rumpole has a penchant for giving literary or historical nicknames to
friends and foes. His wife Hilda's moniker, "She Who Must Be Obeyed,"
was originally applied to the title character of H. Rider Haggard's
novel "She"

On Sun 23 Jan 2005 03:39:14p, Old Nick wrote in
:

False credit. SWMBO gets used elsewhere,

Oh? Where?

and She Who Must Be Obeyed
came for some poor ******* called...ummmm.... Adam? G

:-)
And here I was thinking it was from an old B movie!

On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 01:28:53 GMT, Dan vaguely
proposed a theory
.......and in reply I say!:

remove ns from my header address to reply via email

On Sun 23 Jan 2005 03:39:14p, Old Nick wrote in
:

False credit. SWMBO gets used elsewhere,

Oh? Where?

IIRC on other ngs. ??? ICBW, YMMV. G


and She Who Must Be Obeyed
came for some poor ******* called...ummmm.... Adam? G

:-)
And here I was thinking it was from an old B movie!

H. Rider Haggard (unfortunate name that) just borrowed it! G

On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 11:54:10 +0800, Old Nick
wrote:

On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 01:28:53 GMT, Dan vaguely
proposed a theory
......and in reply I say!:

remove ns from my header address to reply via email

On Sun 23 Jan 2005 03:39:14p, Old Nick wrote in
m:

False credit. SWMBO gets used elsewhere,

Oh? Where?

IIRC on other ngs. ??? ICBW, YMMV. G


and She Who Must Be Obeyed
came for some poor ******* called...ummmm.... Adam? G

:-)
And here I was thinking it was from an old B movie!

H. Rider Haggard (unfortunate name that) just borrowed it! G



here it is:
http://www.gutenberg.org/etext/3155

On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 23:25:08 -0700, s vaguely proposed
a theory
.......and in reply I say!:

remove ns from my header address to reply via email

ADAM! ADAM!

First Man!

_Must_ have been the first one to have realised about SWMBO!


H. Rider Haggard (unfortunate name that) just borrowed it! G



here it is:
http://www.gutenberg.org/etext/3155