Weird question.

I'm looking to throw up a shack. A temporary building, not
intended to last more than a couple years.

Yet every lumber yard I've found advertises "premium quality"
lumber. Where can one go for "Good enough" lumber for those projects
which just have to be "done"? Somewhere above the stuff used by
"B.A.R.F. Construction" ('cost a whole lot less, looks just a good.),
though.

Or am I stuck with having to contact a mill somewhere for the
grade 4 boards (every board guaranteed to have a knot, bark, cup, bow,
or for not more money a combination of two or more.)?

{Company I worked at used that stuff for shipping commercial
countertops. The counter tops were first rate, the 'crates' - not so
much B-) }

--
pyotr filipivich
"Have the Anarchists ever stopped to consider that if they bring
down the American Government, there will be no one to protect
them from the rednecks?"

On 3/26/2021 4:50 PM, pyotr filipivich wrote:


Weird question.

I'm looking to throw up a shack. A temporary building, not
intended to last more than a couple years.

Yet every lumber yard I've found advertises "premium quality"
lumber. Where can one go for "Good enough" lumber for those projects
which just have to be "done"? Somewhere above the stuff used by
"B.A.R.F. Construction" ('cost a whole lot less, looks just a good.),
though.

Or am I stuck with having to contact a mill somewhere for the
grade 4 boards (every board guaranteed to have a knot, bark, cup, bow,
or for not more money a combination of two or more.)?

{Company I worked at used that stuff for shipping commercial
countertops. The counter tops were first rate, the 'crates' - not so
much B-) }

--
pyotr filipivich
"Have the Anarchists ever stopped to consider that if they bring
down the American Government, there will be no one to protect
them from the rednecks?"

Depending on what size of shed you are talking about it may be better to
buy a cheap shed from somewhere like Lowes or Home Depot. It will
probably last as long as you want it and may cost less considering cost
of materials, labor, and the time required to find it.


You may also chece Craiglist, to the like. I have seen some sheds being
given away, so the only cost would be moving it to your locations.
Depending on the size it could be doable.

On 3/26/2021 2:50 PM, pyotr filipivich wrote:


Weird question.

I'm looking to throw up a shack. A temporary building, not
intended to last more than a couple years.

Yet every lumber yard I've found advertises "premium quality"
lumber. Where can one go for "Good enough" lumber for those projects
which just have to be "done"? Somewhere above the stuff used by
"B.A.R.F. Construction" ('cost a whole lot less, looks just a good.),
though.

Or am I stuck with having to contact a mill somewhere for the
grade 4 boards (every board guaranteed to have a knot, bark, cup, bow,
or for not more money a combination of two or more.)?

{Company I worked at used that stuff for shipping commercial
countertops. The counter tops were first rate, the 'crates' - not so
much B-) }

--
pyotr filipivich
"Have the Anarchists ever stopped to consider that if they bring
down the American Government, there will be no one to protect
them from the rednecks?"

Could you recycle wood pallets? A lot of places give them away.

On Fri, 26 Mar 2021 17:30:57 -0400, knuttle
wrote:

On 3/26/2021 4:50 PM, pyotr filipivich wrote:


Weird question.

I'm looking to throw up a shack. A temporary building, not
intended to last more than a couple years.

Yet every lumber yard I've found advertises "premium quality"
lumber. Where can one go for "Good enough" lumber for those projects
which just have to be "done"? Somewhere above the stuff used by
"B.A.R.F. Construction" ('cost a whole lot less, looks just a good.),
though.

Or am I stuck with having to contact a mill somewhere for the
grade 4 boards (every board guaranteed to have a knot, bark, cup, bow,
or for not more money a combination of two or more.)?

{Company I worked at used that stuff for shipping commercial
countertops. The counter tops were first rate, the 'crates' - not so
much B-) }

--
pyotr filipivich
"Have the Anarchists ever stopped to consider that if they bring
down the American Government, there will be no one to protect
them from the rednecks?"

Depending on what size of shed you are talking about it may be better to
buy a cheap shed from somewhere like Lowes or Home Depot. It will
probably last as long as you want it and may cost less considering cost
of materials, labor, and the time required to find it.


You may also chece Craiglist, to the like. I have seen some sheds being
given away, so the only cost would be moving it to your locations.
Depending on the size it could be doable.


I framed mine with hardwood pallet lumber - 8 foot sheet metal pallets

knuttle on Fri, 26 Mar 2021 17:30:57
-0400 typed in rec.woodworking the following:
On 3/26/2021 4:50 PM, pyotr filipivich wrote:
Weird question.

I'm looking to throw up a shack. A temporary building, not
intended to last more than a couple years.

Yet every lumber yard I've found advertises "premium quality"
lumber. Where can one go for "Good enough" lumber for those projects
which just have to be "done"? Somewhere above the stuff used by
"B.A.R.F. Construction" ('cost a whole lot less, looks just a good.),
though.

Or am I stuck with having to contact a mill somewhere for the
grade 4 boards (every board guaranteed to have a knot, bark, cup, bow,
or for not more money a combination of two or more.)?

{Company I worked at used that stuff for shipping commercial
countertops. The counter tops were first rate, the 'crates' - not so
much B-) }


Depending on what size of shed you are talking about it may be better to
buy a cheap shed from somewhere like Lowes or Home Depot. It will
probably last as long as you want it and may cost less considering cost
of materials, labor, and the time required to find it.

I've looked at those. Also, what I have in mind is not so much
"shed" as "add-on extension" or "lean to" about four by eight foot. I
want to "enclose a porch" for the shed which serves as my Study. But
first, I need to make that 'porch'. I have much of the materials, but
I'm sure I will need some more.

what can I say, I'm cheap, and already planning on reusing part of
a Costco carport as a garden 'shed' and possibly a 'gazebo'.

You may also chece Craiglist, to the like. I have seen some sheds being
given away, so the only cost would be moving it to your locations.

Had not considered Craigslist, but that raises the problem of not
having a trailer. If it isn't one thing, it is another. "And any
plan where you lose your hat ..?" "... is a bad plan."

Depending on the size it could be doable.

Yep. OTOH, I keep in mind that something is "doable" depending on
what you have and etc. I once converted the former neighbor's front
porch into my rear deck. "Doable" because I had a truck, two
come-a-longs and fifty feet of aircraft cable. Not to mention some
4x4s, a number of cement footings / blocks and no city inspectors to
worry about.
--
pyotr filipivich
This Week's Panel: Us & Them - Eliminating Them.
Next Month's Panel: Having eliminated the old Them(tm)
Selecting who insufficiently Woke(tm) as to serve as the new Them(tm)

On Friday, March 26, 2021 at 5:31:01 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On 3/26/2021 4:50 PM, pyotr filipivich wrote:


Weird question.

I'm looking to throw up a shack. A temporary building, not
intended to last more than a couple years.

Yet every lumber yard I've found advertises "premium quality"
lumber. Where can one go for "Good enough" lumber for those projects
which just have to be "done"? Somewhere above the stuff used by
"B.A.R.F. Construction" ('cost a whole lot less, looks just a good.),
though.

Or am I stuck with having to contact a mill somewhere for the
grade 4 boards (every board guaranteed to have a knot, bark, cup, bow,
or for not more money a combination of two or more.)?

{Company I worked at used that stuff for shipping commercial
countertops. The counter tops were first rate, the 'crates' - not so
much B-) }

--
pyotr filipivich
"Have the Anarchists ever stopped to consider that if they bring
down the American Government, there will be no one to protect
them from the rednecks?"

Depending on what size of shed you are talking about it may be better to
buy a cheap shed from somewhere like Lowes or Home Depot. It will
probably last as long as you want it and may cost less considering cost
of materials, labor, and the time required to find it.

What's your definition of "cheap"? Are these cheap? Don't forget that most
of these shed kits do not include flooring or shingles, so the price shown isn't
the final cost. In addition, if they haven't changed things, they don't include
enough framing material to build a proper structure. For example, they don't
include sill plates.

https://www.homedepot.com/b/Storage-...s/N-5yc1vZbu93

I got lucky. About 10 years ago I went to HD planning to pick up enough
plywood and 2x4's to build a small lean-to, something just big enough to
get a few rarely used items out of the single car garage.

As soon as I walked in I saw a hand-written cardboard sign with the words
"Manager's Special: Open Box Shed Kit - $250" scrawled on it.

I located a manager and she showed me an 8 x 8 shed kit like this, with all
the pieces strapped to a pallet.

https://www.homedepot.com/p/Value-Ga...C-FK/312478743

I bought it on the spot. I also found a pallet loaded with open packages of shingles
being sold at a deep discount. Paid for enough to roof the shed and loaded up the
trailer. Since the open-box kit was so cheap, I bought the extra framing material to
build it properly. Even with the flooring, roofing and extra framing material, I still
paid way less than half of the current shed kit-only price.

The shed still looks great after all these years.



You may also chece Craiglist, to the like. I have seen some sheds being
given away, so the only cost would be moving it to your locations.
Depending on the size it could be doable.

Or a used shipping container. They are all the rage for storage, shops and
even stores these days.

https://www.google.com/search?q=ship...+uses&tbm=isch

On Fri, 26 Mar 2021 20:04:32 -0400, Clare Snyder
wrote:

On Fri, 26 Mar 2021 17:30:57 -0400, knuttle
wrote:

On 3/26/2021 4:50 PM, pyotr filipivich wrote:


Weird question.

I'm looking to throw up a shack. A temporary building, not
intended to last more than a couple years.

Yet every lumber yard I've found advertises "premium quality"
lumber. Where can one go for "Good enough" lumber for those projects
which just have to be "done"? Somewhere above the stuff used by
"B.A.R.F. Construction" ('cost a whole lot less, looks just a good.),
though.

Or am I stuck with having to contact a mill somewhere for the
grade 4 boards (every board guaranteed to have a knot, bark, cup, bow,
or for not more money a combination of two or more.)?

{Company I worked at used that stuff for shipping commercial
countertops. The counter tops were first rate, the 'crates' - not so
much B-) }

--
pyotr filipivich
"Have the Anarchists ever stopped to consider that if they bring
down the American Government, there will be no one to protect
them from the rednecks?"

Depending on what size of shed you are talking about it may be better to
buy a cheap shed from somewhere like Lowes or Home Depot. It will
probably last as long as you want it and may cost less considering cost
of materials, labor, and the time required to find it.


You may also chece Craiglist, to the like. I have seen some sheds being
given away, so the only cost would be moving it to your locations.
Depending on the size it could be doable.


I framed mine with hardwood pallet lumber - 8 foot sheet metal pallets


.... seldom see those 8 footers at-the-curb ...
Regular pallets are often set out for free.
- a troup of pallet scavengers will usually
beat-you-to-the-punch ..
John T.

On 3/26/2021 4:50 PM, pyotr filipivich wrote:


Weird question.

I'm looking to throw up a shack. A temporary building, not
intended to last more than a couple years.

Yet every lumber yard I've found advertises "premium quality"
lumber. Where can one go for "Good enough" lumber for those projects
which just have to be "done"? Somewhere above the stuff used by
"B.A.R.F. Construction" ('cost a whole lot less, looks just a good.),
though.

Or am I stuck with having to contact a mill somewhere for the
grade 4 boards (every board guaranteed to have a knot, bark, cup, bow,
or for not more money a combination of two or more.)?

{Company I worked at used that stuff for shipping commercial
countertops. The counter tops were first rate, the 'crates' - not so
much B-) }

--
pyotr filipivich
"Have the Anarchists ever stopped to consider that if they bring
down the American Government, there will be no one to protect
them from the rednecks?"

My father has a huge "burning man" style bonfire every year... he goes
to Home Depot or wherever, and asks the manager for a discount on
damaged lumber. I'm not sure what discount they work out, but he gets
anything warped, bowed, cracked, split, or major knots at a good
discount... half off, maybe? YMMV, but it can't hurt to ask the manager
at your local lumber yard or big box/home improvement store.

Michael Trew wrote:
On 3/26/2021 4:50 PM, pyotr filipivich wrote:


Weird question.

Â*Â*Â*Â*I'm looking to throw up a shack.Â* A temporary building, not
intended to last more than a couple years.

Â*Â*Â*Â*Yet every lumber yard I've found advertises "premium quality"
lumber.Â* Where can one go for "Good enough" lumber for those projects
which just have to be "done"?Â* Somewhere above the stuff used by
"B.A.R.F. Construction" ('cost a whole lot less, looks just a good.),
though.

Â*Â*Â*Â*Or am I stuck with having to contact a mill somewhere for the
grade 4 boards (every board guaranteed to have a knot, bark, cup, bow,
or for not more money a combination of two or more.)?

{Company I worked at used that stuff for shipping commercial
countertops.Â* The counter tops were first rate, the 'crates' - not so
much B-)Â* }

--
pyotr filipivich
"Have the Anarchists ever stopped to consider that if they bring
down the American Government, there will be no one to protect
them from the rednecks?"

My father has a huge "burning man" style bonfire every year... he goes
to Home Depot or wherever, and asks the manager for a discount on
damaged lumber.Â* I'm not sure what discount they work out, but he gets
anything warped, bowed, cracked, split, or major knots at a good
discount... half off, maybe?Â* YMMV, but it can't hurt to ask the manager
at your local lumber yard or big box/home improvement store.

My local Menards or Home Depot has a "scrap box" where they sell pieces
really cheap. I don't recall seeing anything longer than 3 feet there,
but I don't frequent it. Great for kids though!

On 3/27/2021 3:06 AM, Bill wrote:
Michael Trew wrote:
On 3/26/2021 4:50 PM, pyotr filipivich wrote:


Weird question.

Â*Â*Â*Â*I'm looking to throw up a shack.Â* A temporary building, not
intended to last more than a couple years.

Â*Â*Â*Â*Yet every lumber yard I've found advertises "premium quality"
lumber.Â* Where can one go for "Good enough" lumber for those projects
which just have to be "done"?Â* Somewhere above the stuff used by
"B.A.R.F. Construction" ('cost a whole lot less, looks just a good.),
though.

Â*Â*Â*Â*Or am I stuck with having to contact a mill somewhere for the
grade 4 boards (every board guaranteed to have a knot, bark, cup, bow,
or for not more money a combination of two or more.)?

{Company I worked at used that stuff for shipping commercial
countertops.Â* The counter tops were first rate, the 'crates' - not so
much B-)Â* }

--
pyotr filipivich
"Have the Anarchists ever stopped to consider that if they bring
down the American Government, there will be no one to protect
them from the rednecks?"

My father has a huge "burning man" style bonfire every year... he goes

to Home Depot or wherever, and asks the manager for a discount on
damaged lumber.Â* I'm not sure what discount they work out, but he
gets
anything warped, bowed, cracked, split, or major knots at a good
discount... half off, maybe?Â* YMMV, but it can't hurt to ask the
manager at your local lumber yard or big box/home improvement store.

My local Menards or Home Depot has a "scrap box" where they sell pieces

really cheap. I don't recall seeing anything longer than 3 feet there,
but I don't frequent it. Great for kids though!
Our local Home Depot does not have that. While the will cut to your
measurements, they expect you take all of the pieces from what you bought.


However when we lived in Indianapolis Menards did, It was great for
that small project where you needed a couple of feet of 2X to complete.
I wish all stored had them.

Did I say I miss Menards? If not I wish they would expand into the
south east.

On 3/27/2021 3:06 AM, Bill wrote:
Michael Trew wrote:
On 3/26/2021 4:50 PM, pyotr filipivich wrote:


Weird question.

I'm looking to throw up a shack. A temporary building, not
intended to last more than a couple years.

Yet every lumber yard I've found advertises "premium quality"
lumber. Where can one go for "Good enough" lumber for those projects
which just have to be "done"? Somewhere above the stuff used by
"B.A.R.F. Construction" ('cost a whole lot less, looks just a good.),
though.

Or am I stuck with having to contact a mill somewhere for the
grade 4 boards (every board guaranteed to have a knot, bark, cup, bow,
or for not more money a combination of two or more.)?

{Company I worked at used that stuff for shipping commercial
countertops. The counter tops were first rate, the 'crates' - not so
much B-) }

--
pyotr filipivich
"Have the Anarchists ever stopped to consider that if they bring
down the American Government, there will be no one to protect
them from the rednecks?"

My father has a huge "burning man" style bonfire every year... he goes
to Home Depot or wherever, and asks the manager for a discount on
damaged lumber. I'm not sure what discount they work out, but he gets
anything warped, bowed, cracked, split, or major knots at a good
discount... half off, maybe? YMMV, but it can't hurt to ask the
manager at your local lumber yard or big box/home improvement store.

My local Menards or Home Depot has a "scrap box" where they sell pieces
really cheap. I don't recall seeing anything longer than 3 feet there,
but I don't frequent it. Great for kids though!

Ours doesn't have that, but he was able to bargain full 8, 10, and 12"
damaged board down. I do miss going to Menards; it was a little over an
hour drive to the nearest one, but I spent thousands there when
remodeling my house, and with that 11% mail in rebate, I got enough back
to go buy a brand new water heater, at no cost to me!

On 3/26/2021 6:02 PM, Just Wondering wrote:
On 3/26/2021 2:50 PM, pyotr filipivich wrote:


Weird question.

Â*Â*Â*Â*I'm looking to throw up a shack.Â* A temporary building, not
intended to last more than a couple years.

Â*Â*Â*Â*Yet every lumber yard I've found advertises "premium quality"
lumber.Â* Where can one go for "Good enough" lumber for those projects
which just have to be "done"?Â* Somewhere above the stuff used by
"B.A.R.F. Construction" ('cost a whole lot less, looks just a good.),
though.

Â*Â*Â*Â*Or am I stuck with having to contact a mill somewhere for the
grade 4 boards (every board guaranteed to have a knot, bark, cup, bow,
or for not more money a combination of two or more.)?

{Company I worked at used that stuff for shipping commercial
countertops.Â* The counter tops were first rate, the 'crates' - not so
much B-)Â* }

--
pyotr filipivich
"Have the Anarchists ever stopped to consider that if they bring
down the American Government, there will be no one to protect
them from the rednecks?"

Could you recycle wood pallets?Â* A lot of places give them away.


Pallets in general are not a great source for wood. Unless brand new
there is no telling what they have been subject to. Dragged along
floors with, who knows what, toxic debris and containers spilling on
them. I have seen a lot of very nasty pallets.

On 3/26/2021 4:30 PM, knuttle wrote:
On 3/26/2021 4:50 PM, pyotr filipivich wrote:


Weird question.

Â*Â*Â*Â*I'm looking to throw up a shack.Â* A temporary building, not
intended to last more than a couple years.

Â*Â*Â*Â*Yet every lumber yard I've found advertises "premium quality"
lumber.Â* Where can one go for "Good enough" lumber for those projects
which just have to be "done"?Â* Somewhere above the stuff used by
"B.A.R.F. Construction" ('cost a whole lot less, looks just a good.),
though.

Â*Â*Â*Â*Or am I stuck with having to contact a mill somewhere for the
grade 4 boards (every board guaranteed to have a knot, bark, cup, bow,
or for not more money a combination of two or more.)?

{Company I worked at used that stuff for shipping commercial
countertops.Â* The counter tops were first rate, the 'crates' - not so
much B-)Â* }

--
pyotr filipivich
"Have the Anarchists ever stopped to consider that if they bring
down the American Government, there will be no one to protect
them from the rednecks?"

Depending on what size of shed you are talking about it may be better to
buy a cheap shed from somewhere like Lowes or Home Depot.Â*Â* It will
probably last as long as you want it andÂ* may cost less considering cost
of materials, labor, and the time required to find it.


You may also chece Craiglist, to the like.Â* I have seen some sheds being
given away, so the only cost would be moving it to your locations.
Depending on the size it could be doable.




Considering what construction lumber is going for these days, it is all
less than premium.
Today's 2x4 that goes for $8 is the same quality as last years $3 2x4.

Your best bet might be to dumpster dive the local construction sites. Ask the foreman, on the job, for permission first, as all sites don't allow dumpster diving.

On Sat, 27 Mar 2021 10:35:10 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote:

On 3/26/2021 6:02 PM, Just Wondering wrote:
On 3/26/2021 2:50 PM, pyotr filipivich wrote:


Weird question.

****I'm looking to throw up a shack.* A temporary building, not
intended to last more than a couple years.

****Yet every lumber yard I've found advertises "premium quality"
lumber.* Where can one go for "Good enough" lumber for those projects
which just have to be "done"?* Somewhere above the stuff used by
"B.A.R.F. Construction" ('cost a whole lot less, looks just a good.),
though.

****Or am I stuck with having to contact a mill somewhere for the
grade 4 boards (every board guaranteed to have a knot, bark, cup, bow,
or for not more money a combination of two or more.)?

{Company I worked at used that stuff for shipping commercial
countertops.* The counter tops were first rate, the 'crates' - not so
much B-)* }

--
pyotr filipivich
"Have the Anarchists ever stopped to consider that if they bring
down the American Government, there will be no one to protect
them from the rednecks?"

Could you recycle wood pallets?* A lot of places give them away.


Pallets in general are not a great source for wood. Unless brand new
there is no telling what they have been subject to. Dragged along
floors with, who knows what, toxic debris and containers spilling on
them. I have seen a lot of very nasty pallets.

OTOH, I've had some that are sparkling new. Stationary tools come on
them. It takes a lot of bandsaws to build a shed, though.

Clare Snyder on Fri, 26 Mar 2021 20:04:32 -0400
typed in rec.woodworking the following:
On Fri, 26 Mar 2021 17:30:57 -0400, knuttle
wrote:

On 3/26/2021 4:50 PM, pyotr filipivich wrote:


Weird question.

I'm looking to throw up a shack. A temporary building, not
intended to last more than a couple years.

Yet every lumber yard I've found advertises "premium quality"
lumber. Where can one go for "Good enough" lumber for those projects
which just have to be "done"? Somewhere above the stuff used by
"B.A.R.F. Construction" ('cost a whole lot less, looks just a good.),
though.

Or am I stuck with having to contact a mill somewhere for the
grade 4 boards (every board guaranteed to have a knot, bark, cup, bow,
or for not more money a combination of two or more.)?

{Company I worked at used that stuff for shipping commercial
countertops. The counter tops were first rate, the 'crates' - not so
much B-) }

--
pyotr filipivich
"Have the Anarchists ever stopped to consider that if they bring
down the American Government, there will be no one to protect
them from the rednecks?"

Depending on what size of shed you are talking about it may be better to
buy a cheap shed from somewhere like Lowes or Home Depot. It will
probably last as long as you want it and may cost less considering cost
of materials, labor, and the time required to find it.


You may also chece Craiglist, to the like. I have seen some sheds being
given away, so the only cost would be moving it to your locations.
Depending on the size it could be doable.


I framed mine with hardwood pallet lumber - 8 foot sheet metal pallets

I still have a couple of those from work.

The problem is that I no longer work there, and the dumpster is
now behind a gate and a fence.

Dumpster diving ain' what it used to be.
--
pyotr filipivich
This Week's Panel: Us & Them - Eliminating Them.
Next Month's Panel: Having eliminated the old Them(tm)
Selecting who insufficiently Woke(tm) as to serve as the new Them(tm)

DerbyDad03 on Fri, 26 Mar 2021 18:02:12 -0700
(PDT) typed in rec.woodworking the following:


You may also chece Craiglist, to the like. I have seen some sheds being
given away, so the only cost would be moving it to your locations.
Depending on the size it could be doable.

Or a used shipping container. They are all the rage for storage, shops and
even stores these days.

Unfortunately, having a shipping container in town is allowed only
for six months or the "length of the project".
--
pyotr filipivich
This Week's Panel: Us & Them - Eliminating Them.
Next Month's Panel: Having eliminated the old Them(tm)
Selecting who insufficiently Woke(tm) as to serve as the new Them(tm)

Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet on Sat, 27 Mar 2021 10:37:23 -0500 typed
in rec.woodworking the following:
On 3/26/2021 4:30 PM, knuttle wrote:
On 3/26/2021 4:50 PM, pyotr filipivich wrote:


Weird question.

****I'm looking to throw up a shack.* A temporary building, not
intended to last more than a couple years.

****Yet every lumber yard I've found advertises "premium quality"
lumber.* Where can one go for "Good enough" lumber for those projects
which just have to be "done"?* Somewhere above the stuff used by
"B.A.R.F. Construction" ('cost a whole lot less, looks just a good.),
though.

****Or am I stuck with having to contact a mill somewhere for the
grade 4 boards (every board guaranteed to have a knot, bark, cup, bow,
or for not more money a combination of two or more.)?

{Company I worked at used that stuff for shipping commercial
countertops.* The counter tops were first rate, the 'crates' - not so
much B-)* }

--
pyotr filipivich
"Have the Anarchists ever stopped to consider that if they bring
down the American Government, there will be no one to protect
them from the rednecks?"

Depending on what size of shed you are talking about it may be better to
buy a cheap shed from somewhere like Lowes or Home Depot.** It will
probably last as long as you want it and* may cost less considering cost
of materials, labor, and the time required to find it.


You may also chece Craiglist, to the like.* I have seen some sheds being
given away, so the only cost would be moving it to your locations.
Depending on the size it could be doable.




Considering what construction lumber is going for these days, it is all
less than premium.
Today's 2x4 that goes for $8 is the same quality as last years $3 2x4.

Tain't the cost so much as I don't need pristine, organically
grown, faire trade, each tree individually selected and harvested by
druids in a sustainable manner, hand selected by virgins "perfect"
lumber. I just want "board, 2"x4"x96", one each" etc. Something
grade three or below.
I tend to go check Home Depots "mark down cart" - 70% off. Yes,
that's a major defect. OTOH, there is 7 feet of board without the
defect, and I can cut the two pieces I want out of it. "It will do."

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Michael Trew on Sat, 27 Mar 2021 00:23:32 -0400
typed in rec.woodworking the following:

My father has a huge "burning man" style bonfire every year... he goes
to Home Depot or wherever, and asks the manager for a discount on
damaged lumber. I'm not sure what discount they work out, but he gets
anything warped, bowed, cracked, split, or major knots at a good
discount... half off, maybe? YMMV, but it can't hurt to ask the manager
at your local lumber yard or big box/home improvement store.

HD has their cart of damaged "seconds" - 70% off. Sometimes I
have found all the boards I need for less than one "good" one.
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Just Wondering on Fri, 26 Mar 2021 17:02:48 -0600 typed in
rec.woodworking the following:
On 3/26/2021 2:50 PM, pyotr filipivich wrote:


Weird question.

I'm looking to throw up a shack. A temporary building, not
intended to last more than a couple years.

Yet every lumber yard I've found advertises "premium quality"
lumber. Where can one go for "Good enough" lumber for those projects
which just have to be "done"? Somewhere above the stuff used by
"B.A.R.F. Construction" ('cost a whole lot less, looks just a good.),
though.

Or am I stuck with having to contact a mill somewhere for the
grade 4 boards (every board guaranteed to have a knot, bark, cup, bow,
or for not more money a combination of two or more.)?

{Company I worked at used that stuff for shipping commercial
countertops. The counter tops were first rate, the 'crates' - not so
much B-) }

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pyotr filipivich
"Have the Anarchists ever stopped to consider that if they bring
down the American Government, there will be no one to protect
them from the rednecks?"

Could you recycle wood pallets? A lot of places give them away.

Not since the manufacturers started putting their wood / pallets
behind locked gates.

Besides, scraps I got. Where do I go for "less than pristine,
fair-growth, gluten free 2x4" etc?
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knuttle on Fri, 26 Mar 2021 17:30:57
-0400 typed in rec.woodworking the following:
On 3/26/2021 4:50 PM, pyotr filipivich wrote:


Weird question.

I'm looking to throw up a shack. A temporary building, not
intended to last more than a couple years.

Yet every lumber yard I've found advertises "premium quality"
lumber. Where can one go for "Good enough" lumber for those projects
which just have to be "done"? Somewhere above the stuff used by
"B.A.R.F. Construction" ('cost a whole lot less, looks just a good.),
though.

Or am I stuck with having to contact a mill somewhere for the
grade 4 boards (every board guaranteed to have a knot, bark, cup, bow,
or for not more money a combination of two or more.)?

{Company I worked at used that stuff for shipping commercial
countertops. The counter tops were first rate, the 'crates' - not so
much B-) }

--
pyotr filipivich
"Have the Anarchists ever stopped to consider that if they bring
down the American Government, there will be no one to protect
them from the rednecks?"

Depending on what size of shed you are talking about it may be better to
buy a cheap shed from somewhere like Lowes or Home Depot. It will
probably last as long as you want it and may cost less considering cost
of materials, labor, and the time required to find it.

I obviously used the wrong words and terms. While I did ask about
"a shack" what I actually have in mind is an add-on to an existing
structure (a store bought kit complete with the "We will build it for
you" option. I then finished it off, insulation & paneling, and
running power to it.)
If I was going to be here more than five years I would go for the
"quality" material. But I only need it for two, maybe three, and most
likely the house/property will get bulldozed after we are gone.


You may also chece Craiglist, to the like. I have seen some sheds being
given away, so the only cost would be moving it to your locations.
Depending on the size it could be doable.

Do lumberyards advertise on Craigslist? I haven't checked. I
know Amazon will sell lumber.
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On 3/27/2021 12:44 PM, pyotr filipivich wrote:
Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet on Sat, 27 Mar 2021 10:37:23 -0500 typed
in rec.woodworking the following:
On 3/26/2021 4:30 PM, knuttle wrote:
On 3/26/2021 4:50 PM, pyotr filipivich wrote:


Weird question.

Â*Â*Â*Â*I'm looking to throw up a shack.Â* A temporary building, not
intended to last more than a couple years.

Â*Â*Â*Â*Yet every lumber yard I've found advertises
"premium quality"
lumber.Â* Where can one go for "Good enough" lumber for those projects
which just have to be "done"?Â* Somewhere above the stuff used by
"B.A.R.F. Construction" ('cost a whole lot less, looks just a good.),
though.

Â*Â*Â*Â*Or am I stuck with having to contact a mill
somewhere for the
grade 4 boards (every board guaranteed to have a knot, bark, cup, bow,
or for not more money a combination of two or more.)?

{Company I worked at used that stuff for shipping commercial
countertops.Â* The counter tops were first rate, the 'crates' - not so
much B-)Â* }

--
pyotr filipivich
"Have the Anarchists ever stopped to consider that if they bring
down the American Government, there will be no one to protect
them from the rednecks?"

Depending on what size of shed you are talking about it may be better
to
buy a cheap shed from somewhere like Lowes or Home Depot.Â*Â*
It will
probably last as long as you want it andÂ* may cost less considering cost
of materials, labor, and the time required to find it.


You may also chece Craiglist, to the like.Â* I have seen some sheds being
given away, so the only cost would be moving it to your locations.
Depending on the size it could be doable.




Considering what construction lumber is going for these days, it is all
less than premium.
Today's 2x4 that goes for $8 is the same quality as last years $3 2x4.

Tain't the cost so much as I don't need pristine, organically
grown, faire trade, each tree individually selected and harvested by
druids in a sustainable manner, hand selected by virgins "perfect"
lumber. I just want "board, 2"x4"x96", one each" etc. Something
grade three or below.
I tend to go check Home Depots "mark down cart" - 70% off. Yes,
that's a major defect. OTOH, there is 7 feet of board without the
defect, and I can cut the two pieces I want out of it. "It will do."

Do you have a Restore (Habitat for Humanity) near you. Some have a lot
of lumber, at usually a good price.

On 3/27/2021 12:51 PM, pyotr filipivich wrote:
knuttle on Fri, 26 Mar 2021 17:30:57
-0400 typed in rec.woodworking the following:
On 3/26/2021 4:50 PM, pyotr filipivich wrote:


Weird question.

I'm looking to throw up a shack. A temporary building, not
intended to last more than a couple years.

Yet every lumber yard I've found advertises "premium quality"
lumber. Where can one go for "Good enough" lumber for those projects
which just have to be "done"? Somewhere above the stuff used by
"B.A.R.F. Construction" ('cost a whole lot less, looks just a good.),
though.

Or am I stuck with having to contact a mill somewhere for the
grade 4 boards (every board guaranteed to have a knot, bark, cup, bow,
or for not more money a combination of two or more.)?

{Company I worked at used that stuff for shipping commercial
countertops. The counter tops were first rate, the 'crates' - not so
much B-) }

--
pyotr filipivich
"Have the Anarchists ever stopped to consider that if they bring
down the American Government, there will be no one to protect
them from the rednecks?"

Depending on what size of shed you are talking about it may be better to
buy a cheap shed from somewhere like Lowes or Home Depot. It will
probably last as long as you want it and may cost less considering cost
of materials, labor, and the time required to find it.

I obviously used the wrong words and terms. While I did ask about
"a shack" what I actually have in mind is an add-on to an existing
structure (a store bought kit complete with the "We will build it for
you" option. I then finished it off, insulation & paneling, and
running power to it.)
If I was going to be here more than five years I would go for the
"quality" material. But I only need it for two, maybe three, and most
likely the house/property will get bulldozed after we are gone.


You may also chece Craiglist, to the like. I have seen some sheds being
given away, so the only cost would be moving it to your locations.
Depending on the size it could be doable.

Do lumberyards advertise on Craigslist? I haven't checked. I
know Amazon will sell lumber.

While I have gotten some good deals on Craigslist, I don't frequent it
that often so don't know about lumber yards.

I do know I have seen piano, furniture, sheds, and piles of lumber being
given away.

On Sat, 27 Mar 2021 09:44:18 -0700, pyotr filipivich
wrote:

Clare Snyder on Fri, 26 Mar 2021 20:04:32 -0400
typed in rec.woodworking the following:
On Fri, 26 Mar 2021 17:30:57 -0400, knuttle
wrote:

On 3/26/2021 4:50 PM, pyotr filipivich wrote:


Weird question.

I'm looking to throw up a shack. A temporary building, not
intended to last more than a couple years.

Yet every lumber yard I've found advertises "premium quality"
lumber. Where can one go for "Good enough" lumber for those projects
which just have to be "done"? Somewhere above the stuff used by
"B.A.R.F. Construction" ('cost a whole lot less, looks just a good.),
though.

Or am I stuck with having to contact a mill somewhere for the
grade 4 boards (every board guaranteed to have a knot, bark, cup, bow,
or for not more money a combination of two or more.)?

{Company I worked at used that stuff for shipping commercial
countertops. The counter tops were first rate, the 'crates' - not so
much B-) }

--
pyotr filipivich
"Have the Anarchists ever stopped to consider that if they bring
down the American Government, there will be no one to protect
them from the rednecks?"

Depending on what size of shed you are talking about it may be better to
buy a cheap shed from somewhere like Lowes or Home Depot. It will
probably last as long as you want it and may cost less considering cost
of materials, labor, and the time required to find it.


You may also chece Craiglist, to the like. I have seen some sheds being
given away, so the only cost would be moving it to your locations.
Depending on the size it could be doable.


I framed mine with hardwood pallet lumber - 8 foot sheet metal pallets

I still have a couple of those from work.

The problem is that I no longer work there, and the dumpster is
now behind a gate and a fence.

Dumpster diving ain' what it used to be.
Nothing wrong with asking, is there?? That's how I got mine!

knuttle on Sat, 27 Mar 2021 15:45:40
-0400 typed in rec.woodworking the following:

Considering what construction lumber is going for these days, it is all
less than premium.
Today's 2x4 that goes for $8 is the same quality as last years $3 2x4.

Tain't the cost so much as I don't need pristine, organically
grown, faire trade, each tree individually selected and harvested by
druids in a sustainable manner, hand selected by virgins "perfect"
lumber. I just want "board, 2"x4"x96", one each" etc. Something
grade three or below.
I tend to go check Home Depots "mark down cart" - 70% off. Yes,
that's a major defect. OTOH, there is 7 feet of board without the
defect, and I can cut the two pieces I want out of it. "It will do."

Do you have a Restore (Habitat for Humanity) near you. Some have a lot
of lumber, at usually a good price.

I do, and I have, and I've gone broke saving money.

OTOH, they don't always have the size I'm after. Which brings me
back to my first query: what happens to the less than Premium Grade
hand selected gluten free vegan lumber? Shirley, it can't all be
getting sent to the PRC?
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Selecting who insufficiently Woke(tm) as to serve as the new Them(tm)

On Sunday, March 28, 2021 at 11:04:52 AM UTC-4, pyotr filipivich wrote:
knuttle on Sat, 27 Mar 2021 15:45:40
-0400 typed in rec.woodworking the following:

Considering what construction lumber is going for these days, it is all
less than premium.
Today's 2x4 that goes for $8 is the same quality as last years $3 2x4.

Tain't the cost so much as I don't need pristine, organically
grown, faire trade, each tree individually selected and harvested by
druids in a sustainable manner, hand selected by virgins "perfect"
lumber. I just want "board, 2"x4"x96", one each" etc. Something
grade three or below.
I tend to go check Home Depots "mark down cart" - 70% off. Yes,
that's a major defect. OTOH, there is 7 feet of board without the
defect, and I can cut the two pieces I want out of it. "It will do."

Do you have a Restore (Habitat for Humanity) near you. Some have a lot
of lumber, at usually a good price.
I do, and I have, and I've gone broke saving money.

OTOH, they don't always have the size I'm after. Which brings me
back to my first query: what happens to the less than Premium Grade
hand selected gluten free vegan lumber? Shirley, it can't all be
getting sent to the PRC?
--

I guess I don't know what you mean by less than Premium Grade lumber.

Even the Premium Grade lumber at most home centers is less than Premium
Grade.

DerbyDad03 on Sun, 28 Mar 2021 10:18:46 -0700
(PDT) typed in rec.woodworking the following:
On Sunday, March 28, 2021 at 11:04:52 AM UTC-4, pyotr filipivich wrote:
knuttle on Sat, 27 Mar 2021 15:45:40
-0400 typed in rec.woodworking the following:

Considering what construction lumber is going for these days, it is all
less than premium.
Today's 2x4 that goes for $8 is the same quality as last years $3 2x4.

Tain't the cost so much as I don't need pristine, organically
grown, faire trade, each tree individually selected and harvested by
druids in a sustainable manner, hand selected by virgins "perfect"
lumber. I just want "board, 2"x4"x96", one each" etc. Something
grade three or below.
I tend to go check Home Depots "mark down cart" - 70% off. Yes,
that's a major defect. OTOH, there is 7 feet of board without the
defect, and I can cut the two pieces I want out of it. "It will do."

Do you have a Restore (Habitat for Humanity) near you. Some have a lot
of lumber, at usually a good price.
I do, and I have, and I've gone broke saving money.

OTOH, they don't always have the size I'm after. Which brings me
back to my first query: what happens to the less than Premium Grade
hand selected gluten free vegan lumber? Shirley, it can't all be
getting sent to the PRC?

I guess I don't know what you mean by less than Premium Grade lumber.

What I mean is that if I go to a web site for a lumber yard, big
box store, whatever - I am assured that what they offer is the finest
premium lumber. Perfect for Your Home Project! And their prices
reflect that. Great.
Except I am not looking to build beautiful furniture that I can
pass along to the children, grand children and the antique
auctioneers.

I know that there are lesser grades of lumber, I'm just wondering
if there are retail outlets handling it, or do I have to search for a
sawmill and order a "unit"/ pallet load?

Even the Premium Grade lumber at most home centers is less than Premium
Grade.

Deceptive Advertising is SOP.
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Next Month's Panel: Having eliminated the old Them(tm)
Selecting who insufficiently Woke(tm) as to serve as the new Them(tm)

On Sun, 28 Mar 2021 16:36:25 -0700, pyotr filipivich
wrote:

DerbyDad03 on Sun, 28 Mar 2021 10:18:46 -0700
(PDT) typed in rec.woodworking the following:
On Sunday, March 28, 2021 at 11:04:52 AM UTC-4, pyotr filipivich wrote:
knuttle on Sat, 27 Mar 2021 15:45:40
-0400 typed in rec.woodworking the following:

Considering what construction lumber is going for these days, it is all
less than premium.
Today's 2x4 that goes for $8 is the same quality as last years $3 2x4.

Tain't the cost so much as I don't need pristine, organically
grown, faire trade, each tree individually selected and harvested by
druids in a sustainable manner, hand selected by virgins "perfect"
lumber. I just want "board, 2"x4"x96", one each" etc. Something
grade three or below.
I tend to go check Home Depots "mark down cart" - 70% off. Yes,
that's a major defect. OTOH, there is 7 feet of board without the
defect, and I can cut the two pieces I want out of it. "It will do."

Do you have a Restore (Habitat for Humanity) near you. Some have a lot
of lumber, at usually a good price.
I do, and I have, and I've gone broke saving money.

OTOH, they don't always have the size I'm after. Which brings me
back to my first query: what happens to the less than Premium Grade
hand selected gluten free vegan lumber? Shirley, it can't all be
getting sent to the PRC?

I guess I don't know what you mean by less than Premium Grade lumber.

What I mean is that if I go to a web site for a lumber yard, big
box store, whatever - I am assured that what they offer is the finest
premium lumber. Perfect for Your Home Project! And their prices
reflect that. Great.'

Um, when was the last time you saw the "finest premium lumber" in a
lumber yard or BORG? I think I remember my father talking about
carrying it out on the backs of unicorns.

Except I am not looking to build beautiful furniture that I can
pass along to the children, grand children and the antique
auctioneers.

When was the last time that you saw furniture grade lumber in a lumber
yard? Before the last ice age? ...or was it before the big asteroid?

I know that there are lesser grades of lumber, I'm just wondering
if there are retail outlets handling it, or do I have to search for a
sawmill and order a "unit"/ pallet load?

Nah, just go to the BORG. They have lots.

Even the Premium Grade lumber at most home centers is less than Premium
Grade.

Deceptive Advertising is SOP.

"Deceptive"? It seems that you're the only one who thinks lumber
yards are in the business of selling furniture grade lumber.

On Sun, 28 Mar 2021 16:36:25 -0700, pyotr filipivich
wrote:

DerbyDad03 on Sun, 28 Mar 2021 10:18:46 -0700
(PDT) typed in rec.woodworking the following:
On Sunday, March 28, 2021 at 11:04:52 AM UTC-4, pyotr filipivich wrote:
knuttle on Sat, 27 Mar 2021 15:45:40
-0400 typed in rec.woodworking the following:

Considering what construction lumber is going for these days, it is all
less than premium.
Today's 2x4 that goes for $8 is the same quality as last years $3 2x4.

Tain't the cost so much as I don't need pristine, organically
grown, faire trade, each tree individually selected and harvested by
druids in a sustainable manner, hand selected by virgins "perfect"
lumber. I just want "board, 2"x4"x96", one each" etc. Something
grade three or below.
I tend to go check Home Depots "mark down cart" - 70% off. Yes,
that's a major defect. OTOH, there is 7 feet of board without the
defect, and I can cut the two pieces I want out of it. "It will do."

Do you have a Restore (Habitat for Humanity) near you. Some have a lot
of lumber, at usually a good price.
I do, and I have, and I've gone broke saving money.

OTOH, they don't always have the size I'm after. Which brings me
back to my first query: what happens to the less than Premium Grade
hand selected gluten free vegan lumber? Shirley, it can't all be
getting sent to the PRC?

I guess I don't know what you mean by less than Premium Grade lumber.

What I mean is that if I go to a web site for a lumber yard, big
box store, whatever - I am assured that what they offer is the finest
premium lumber. Perfect for Your Home Project! And their prices
reflect that. Great.
Except I am not looking to build beautiful furniture that I can
pass along to the children, grand children and the antique
auctioneers.

I know that there are lesser grades of lumber, I'm just wondering
if there are retail outlets handling it, or do I have to search for a
sawmill and order a "unit"/ pallet load?

If it's worse than what Home Depot stocks you probably don't want it.

Even the Premium Grade lumber at most home centers is less than Premium
Grade.

Deceptive Advertising is SOP.

On 3/28/2021 7:36 PM, pyotr filipivich wrote:
DerbyDad03 on Sun, 28 Mar 2021 10:18:46 -0700
(PDT) typed in rec.woodworking the following:
On Sunday, March 28, 2021 at 11:04:52 AM UTC-4, pyotr filipivich wrote:
knuttle on Sat, 27 Mar 2021 15:45:40
-0400 typed in rec.woodworking the following:

Considering what construction lumber is going for these days, it is all
less than premium.
Today's 2x4 that goes for $8 is the same quality as last years $3 2x4.

Tain't the cost so much as I don't need pristine, organically
grown, faire trade, each tree individually selected and harvested by
druids in a sustainable manner, hand selected by virgins "perfect"
lumber. I just want "board, 2"x4"x96", one each" etc. Something
grade three or below.
I tend to go check Home Depots "mark down cart" - 70% off. Yes,
that's a major defect. OTOH, there is 7 feet of board without the
defect, and I can cut the two pieces I want out of it. "It will do."

Do you have a Restore (Habitat for Humanity) near you. Some have a lot
of lumber, at usually a good price.
I do, and I have, and I've gone broke saving money.

OTOH, they don't always have the size I'm after. Which brings me
back to my first query: what happens to the less than Premium Grade
hand selected gluten free vegan lumber? Shirley, it can't all be
getting sent to the PRC?

I guess I don't know what you mean by less than Premium Grade lumber.

What I mean is that if I go to a web site for a lumber yard, big
box store, whatever - I am assured that what they offer is the finest
premium lumber. Perfect for Your Home Project! And their prices
reflect that. Great.
Except I am not looking to build beautiful furniture that I can
pass along to the children, grand children and the antique
auctioneers.

I know that there are lesser grades of lumber, I'm just wondering
if there are retail outlets handling it, or do I have to search for a
sawmill and order a "unit"/ pallet load?

Even the Premium Grade lumber at most home centers is less than Premium
Grade.

Deceptive Advertising is SOP.

I have never shoped at one but there are some company that call
themseves discount lumber yard. Do you have one of these.

J. Clarke on Sun, 28 Mar 2021 21:33:24
-0400 typed in rec.woodworking the following:
On Sun, 28 Mar 2021 16:36:25 -0700, pyotr filipivich
wrote:

DerbyDad03 on Sun, 28 Mar 2021 10:18:46 -0700
(PDT) typed in rec.woodworking the following:
On Sunday, March 28, 2021 at 11:04:52 AM UTC-4, pyotr filipivich wrote:
knuttle on Sat, 27 Mar 2021 15:45:40
-0400 typed in rec.woodworking the following:

Considering what construction lumber is going for these days, it is all
less than premium.
Today's 2x4 that goes for $8 is the same quality as last years $3 2x4.

Tain't the cost so much as I don't need pristine, organically
grown, faire trade, each tree individually selected and harvested by
druids in a sustainable manner, hand selected by virgins "perfect"
lumber. I just want "board, 2"x4"x96", one each" etc. Something
grade three or below.
I tend to go check Home Depots "mark down cart" - 70% off. Yes,
that's a major defect. OTOH, there is 7 feet of board without the
defect, and I can cut the two pieces I want out of it. "It will do."

Do you have a Restore (Habitat for Humanity) near you. Some have a lot
of lumber, at usually a good price.
I do, and I have, and I've gone broke saving money.

OTOH, they don't always have the size I'm after. Which brings me
back to my first query: what happens to the less than Premium Grade
hand selected gluten free vegan lumber? Shirley, it can't all be
getting sent to the PRC?

I guess I don't know what you mean by less than Premium Grade lumber.

What I mean is that if I go to a web site for a lumber yard, big
box store, whatever - I am assured that what they offer is the finest
premium lumber. Perfect for Your Home Project! And their prices
reflect that. Great.
Except I am not looking to build beautiful furniture that I can
pass along to the children, grand children and the antique
auctioneers.

I know that there are lesser grades of lumber, I'm just wondering
if there are retail outlets handling it, or do I have to search for a
sawmill and order a "unit"/ pallet load?

If it's worse than what Home Depot stocks you probably don't want it.

Do all ya'll search for and buy all clear lumber when making
raised garden beds? Or framing up for a concrete pour? Or making
shipping crates for Richlite(tm) commercial countertops?

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This Week's Panel: Us & Them - Eliminating Them.
Next Month's Panel: Having eliminated the old Them(tm)
Selecting who insufficiently Woke(tm) as to serve as the new Them(tm)

knuttle on Sun, 28 Mar 2021 22:31:32
-0400 typed in rec.woodworking the following:
On 3/28/2021 7:36 PM, pyotr filipivich wrote:
DerbyDad03 on Sun, 28 Mar 2021 10:18:46 -0700
(PDT) typed in rec.woodworking the following:
On Sunday, March 28, 2021 at 11:04:52 AM UTC-4, pyotr filipivich wrote:
knuttle on Sat, 27 Mar 2021 15:45:40
-0400 typed in rec.woodworking the following:

Considering what construction lumber is going for these days, it is all
less than premium.
Today's 2x4 that goes for $8 is the same quality as last years $3 2x4.

Tain't the cost so much as I don't need pristine, organically
grown, faire trade, each tree individually selected and harvested by
druids in a sustainable manner, hand selected by virgins "perfect"
lumber. I just want "board, 2"x4"x96", one each" etc. Something
grade three or below.
I tend to go check Home Depots "mark down cart" - 70% off. Yes,
that's a major defect. OTOH, there is 7 feet of board without the
defect, and I can cut the two pieces I want out of it. "It will do."

Do you have a Restore (Habitat for Humanity) near you. Some have a lot
of lumber, at usually a good price.
I do, and I have, and I've gone broke saving money.

OTOH, they don't always have the size I'm after. Which brings me
back to my first query: what happens to the less than Premium Grade
hand selected gluten free vegan lumber? Shirley, it can't all be
getting sent to the PRC?

I guess I don't know what you mean by less than Premium Grade lumber.

What I mean is that if I go to a web site for a lumber yard, big
box store, whatever - I am assured that what they offer is the finest
premium lumber. Perfect for Your Home Project! And their prices
reflect that. Great.
Except I am not looking to build beautiful furniture that I can
pass along to the children, grand children and the antique
auctioneers.

I know that there are lesser grades of lumber, I'm just wondering
if there are retail outlets handling it, or do I have to search for a
sawmill and order a "unit"/ pallet load?

Even the Premium Grade lumber at most home centers is less than Premium
Grade.

Deceptive Advertising is SOP.

I have never shoped at one but there are some company that call
themseves discount lumber yard. Do you have one of these.

Nope.

Of course Google thinks anything with 'lumber' on the webpage is what
I'm looking for. Even a missspelled "lumbar support" offering.
--
pyotr filipivich
This Week's Panel: Us & Them - Eliminating Them.
Next Month's Panel: Having eliminated the old Them(tm)
Selecting who insufficiently Woke(tm) as to serve as the new Them(tm)

on Sun, 28 Mar 2021 21:25:04 -0400 typed in
rec.woodworking the following:
On Sun, 28 Mar 2021 16:36:25 -0700, pyotr filipivich
wrote:
DerbyDad03 on Sun, 28 Mar 2021 10:18:46 -0700
(PDT) typed in rec.woodworking the following:
On Sunday, March 28, 2021 at 11:04:52 AM UTC-4, pyotr filipivich wrote:
knuttle on Sat, 27 Mar 2021 15:45:40
-0400 typed in rec.woodworking the following:

Considering what construction lumber is going for these days, it is all
less than premium.
Today's 2x4 that goes for $8 is the same quality as last years $3 2x4.

Tain't the cost so much as I don't need pristine, organically
grown, faire trade, each tree individually selected and harvested by
druids in a sustainable manner, hand selected by virgins "perfect"
lumber. I just want "board, 2"x4"x96", one each" etc. Something
grade three or below.
I tend to go check Home Depots "mark down cart" - 70% off. Yes,
that's a major defect. OTOH, there is 7 feet of board without the
defect, and I can cut the two pieces I want out of it. "It will do."

Do you have a Restore (Habitat for Humanity) near you. Some have a lot
of lumber, at usually a good price.
I do, and I have, and I've gone broke saving money.

OTOH, they don't always have the size I'm after. Which brings me
back to my first query: what happens to the less than Premium Grade
hand selected gluten free vegan lumber? Shirley, it can't all be
getting sent to the PRC?

I guess I don't know what you mean by less than Premium Grade lumber.

What I mean is that if I go to a web site for a lumber yard, big
box store, whatever - I am assured that what they offer is the finest
premium lumber. Perfect for Your Home Project! And their prices
reflect that. Great.'

Um, when was the last time you saw the "finest premium lumber" in a
lumber yard or BORG? I think I remember my father talking about
carrying it out on the backs of unicorns.

Bizzzt!

Read closely: I did _not_ say they _have_ the finest in Premium
lumber.
I said they _Advertise_ having the finest in Premium Lumber. (No
doubt harvested by Elven Druids and hauled out of the woods by teams
of Unicorns lead by Leprechauns.)

Except I am not looking to build beautiful furniture that I can
pass along to the children, grand children and the antique
auctioneers.

When was the last time that you saw furniture grade lumber in a lumber
yard? Before the last ice age? ...or was it before the big asteroid?

In my youth. Of course in those days it was felled with stone
axes ...

Which is all beside the point.

I know that there are lesser grades of lumber, I'm just wondering
if there are retail outlets handling it, or do I have to search for a
sawmill and order a "unit"/ pallet load?

Nah, just go to the BORG. They have lots.

Even the Premium Grade lumber at most home centers is less than Premium
Grade.

Deceptive Advertising is SOP.

"Deceptive"? It seems that you're the only one who thinks lumber
yards are in the business of selling furniture grade lumber.

Sigh, I don't know why I ask these questions.

Do you know of a company which doesn't advertise _having_ the
finest in premium lumber?
And if one can't get furniture grade lumber at a lumber yard,
where does one get it?
Amazon?
Ebay?
One's own personal wood lot, inherited from ancestors who planted
the finest trees for future use by their woodwright descendents?

--
pyotr filipivich
This Week's Panel: Us & Them - Eliminating Them.
Next Month's Panel: Having eliminated the old Them(tm)
Selecting who insufficiently Woke(tm) as to serve as the new Them(tm)

On 3/29/2021 11:03 AM, pyotr filipivich wrote:
on Sun, 28 Mar 2021 21:25:04 -0400 typed in
rec.woodworking the following:
On Sun, 28 Mar 2021 16:36:25 -0700, pyotr filipivich
wrote:
DerbyDad03 on Sun, 28 Mar 2021 10:18:46 -0700
(PDT) typed in rec.woodworking the following:
On Sunday, March 28, 2021 at 11:04:52 AM UTC-4, pyotr filipivich wrote:
knuttle on Sat, 27 Mar 2021 15:45:40
-0400 typed in rec.woodworking the following:

Considering what construction lumber is going for these days, it is all
less than premium.
Today's 2x4 that goes for $8 is the same quality as last years $3 2x4.

Tain't the cost so much as I don't need pristine, organically
grown, faire trade, each tree individually selected and harvested by
druids in a sustainable manner, hand selected by virgins "perfect"
lumber. I just want "board, 2"x4"x96", one each" etc. Something
grade three or below.
I tend to go check Home Depots "mark down cart" - 70% off. Yes,
that's a major defect. OTOH, there is 7 feet of board without the
defect, and I can cut the two pieces I want out of it. "It will do."

Do you have a Restore (Habitat for Humanity) near you. Some have a lot
of lumber, at usually a good price.
I do, and I have, and I've gone broke saving money.

OTOH, they don't always have the size I'm after. Which brings me
back to my first query: what happens to the less than Premium Grade
hand selected gluten free vegan lumber? Shirley, it can't all be
getting sent to the PRC?

I guess I don't know what you mean by less than Premium Grade lumber.

What I mean is that if I go to a web site for a lumber yard, big
box store, whatever - I am assured that what they offer is the finest
premium lumber. Perfect for Your Home Project! And their prices
reflect that. Great.'

Um, when was the last time you saw the "finest premium lumber" in a
lumber yard or BORG? I think I remember my father talking about
carrying it out on the backs of unicorns.

Bizzzt!

Read closely: I did _not_ say they _have_ the finest in Premium
lumber.
I said they _Advertise_ having the finest in Premium Lumber. (No
doubt harvested by Elven Druids and hauled out of the woods by teams
of Unicorns lead by Leprechauns.)

Except I am not looking to build beautiful furniture that I can
pass along to the children, grand children and the antique
auctioneers.

When was the last time that you saw furniture grade lumber in a lumber
yard? Before the last ice age? ...or was it before the big asteroid?

In my youth. Of course in those days it was felled with stone
axes ...

Which is all beside the point.

I know that there are lesser grades of lumber, I'm just wondering
if there are retail outlets handling it, or do I have to search for a
sawmill and order a "unit"/ pallet load?

Nah, just go to the BORG. They have lots.

Even the Premium Grade lumber at most home centers is less than Premium
Grade.

Deceptive Advertising is SOP.

"Deceptive"? It seems that you're the only one who thinks lumber
yards are in the business of selling furniture grade lumber.

Sigh, I don't know why I ask these questions.

Do you know of a company which doesn't advertise _having_ the
finest in premium lumber?
And if one can't get furniture grade lumber at a lumber yard,
where does one get it?
Amazon?
Ebay?
One's own personal wood lot, inherited from ancestors who planted
the finest trees for future use by their woodwright descendents?

I beleive that there is a difference between premium grade lumber and
furniture grade lumber.

I would use a piece of cherry for a desk for my foyer, but wound not buy
an 8' cherry 2X4.

I may buy premium grade lumber from Lowes for finishing work inside of
my house. I have used their premium grade wood to make some nice tables
for the house.

An I can buy their consturction grade lumber for framing, our building a
grape arbor in my back yard.

On Mon, 29 Mar 2021 08:03:58 -0700, pyotr filipivich
wrote:

knuttle on Sun, 28 Mar 2021 22:31:32
-0400 typed in rec.woodworking the following:
On 3/28/2021 7:36 PM, pyotr filipivich wrote:
DerbyDad03 on Sun, 28 Mar 2021 10:18:46 -0700
(PDT) typed in rec.woodworking the following:
On Sunday, March 28, 2021 at 11:04:52 AM UTC-4, pyotr filipivich wrote:
knuttle on Sat, 27 Mar 2021 15:45:40
-0400 typed in rec.woodworking the following:

Considering what construction lumber is going for these days, it is all
less than premium.
Today's 2x4 that goes for $8 is the same quality as last years $3 2x4.

Tain't the cost so much as I don't need pristine, organically
grown, faire trade, each tree individually selected and harvested by
druids in a sustainable manner, hand selected by virgins "perfect"
lumber. I just want "board, 2"x4"x96", one each" etc. Something
grade three or below.
I tend to go check Home Depots "mark down cart" - 70% off. Yes,
that's a major defect. OTOH, there is 7 feet of board without the
defect, and I can cut the two pieces I want out of it. "It will do."

Do you have a Restore (Habitat for Humanity) near you. Some have a lot
of lumber, at usually a good price.
I do, and I have, and I've gone broke saving money.

OTOH, they don't always have the size I'm after. Which brings me
back to my first query: what happens to the less than Premium Grade
hand selected gluten free vegan lumber? Shirley, it can't all be
getting sent to the PRC?

I guess I don't know what you mean by less than Premium Grade lumber.

What I mean is that if I go to a web site for a lumber yard, big
box store, whatever - I am assured that what they offer is the finest
premium lumber. Perfect for Your Home Project! And their prices
reflect that. Great.
Except I am not looking to build beautiful furniture that I can
pass along to the children, grand children and the antique
auctioneers.

I know that there are lesser grades of lumber, I'm just wondering
if there are retail outlets handling it, or do I have to search for a
sawmill and order a "unit"/ pallet load?

Even the Premium Grade lumber at most home centers is less than Premium
Grade.

Deceptive Advertising is SOP.

I have never shoped at one but there are some company that call
themseves discount lumber yard. Do you have one of these.

Nope.

Of course Google thinks anything with 'lumber' on the webpage is what
I'm looking for. Even a missspelled "lumbar support" offering.
Find a local sawmill and see what they say. Arounf here we have
numerous small mills operationg on (mostly mennonite) farmsand a lot
of ash trees being cut.I could likely source some rough cut lumber
from one of them but non-certified lumber (non-graded) is not allowed
for building construction here - which makes it difficult to build
using lumber cut from your own trees on your own land (except single
story FARM buildings)

Article 9.3.2.1. requires that lumber used for joists, rafters,
trusses and beams, and for uses listed in Table
9.3.2.1., has a grade stamp to indicate its grade as determined by the
“Standard Grading Rules for
Canadian Lumber”. Table 9.3.2.1. includes such uses as posts and beams
not less than 114 mm in
thickness, roof sheathing, plank frame construction, etc.

So I guess my "shed" isn't "legal" but being under 120 sq ft and not
on a permanent foundation, without plumbing, did not require a permit.

On Mon, 29 Mar 2021 08:03:58 -0700, pyotr filipivich
wrote:

on Sun, 28 Mar 2021 21:25:04 -0400 typed in
rec.woodworking the following:
On Sun, 28 Mar 2021 16:36:25 -0700, pyotr filipivich
wrote:
DerbyDad03 on Sun, 28 Mar 2021 10:18:46 -0700
(PDT) typed in rec.woodworking the following:
On Sunday, March 28, 2021 at 11:04:52 AM UTC-4, pyotr filipivich wrote:
knuttle on Sat, 27 Mar 2021 15:45:40
-0400 typed in rec.woodworking the following:

Considering what construction lumber is going for these days, it is all
less than premium.
Today's 2x4 that goes for $8 is the same quality as last years $3 2x4.

Tain't the cost so much as I don't need pristine, organically
grown, faire trade, each tree individually selected and harvested by
druids in a sustainable manner, hand selected by virgins "perfect"
lumber. I just want "board, 2"x4"x96", one each" etc. Something
grade three or below.
I tend to go check Home Depots "mark down cart" - 70% off. Yes,
that's a major defect. OTOH, there is 7 feet of board without the
defect, and I can cut the two pieces I want out of it. "It will do."

Do you have a Restore (Habitat for Humanity) near you. Some have a lot
of lumber, at usually a good price.
I do, and I have, and I've gone broke saving money.

OTOH, they don't always have the size I'm after. Which brings me
back to my first query: what happens to the less than Premium Grade
hand selected gluten free vegan lumber? Shirley, it can't all be
getting sent to the PRC?

I guess I don't know what you mean by less than Premium Grade lumber.

What I mean is that if I go to a web site for a lumber yard, big
box store, whatever - I am assured that what they offer is the finest
premium lumber. Perfect for Your Home Project! And their prices
reflect that. Great.'

Um, when was the last time you saw the "finest premium lumber" in a
lumber yard or BORG? I think I remember my father talking about
carrying it out on the backs of unicorns.

Bizzzt!

Read closely: I did _not_ say they _have_ the finest in Premium
lumber.
I said they _Advertise_ having the finest in Premium Lumber. (No
doubt harvested by Elven Druids and hauled out of the woods by teams
of Unicorns lead by Leprechauns.)

Except I am not looking to build beautiful furniture that I can
pass along to the children, grand children and the antique
auctioneers.

When was the last time that you saw furniture grade lumber in a lumber
yard? Before the last ice age? ...or was it before the big asteroid?

In my youth. Of course in those days it was felled with stone
axes ...

Which is all beside the point.

I know that there are lesser grades of lumber, I'm just wondering
if there are retail outlets handling it, or do I have to search for a
sawmill and order a "unit"/ pallet load?

Nah, just go to the BORG. They have lots.

Even the Premium Grade lumber at most home centers is less than Premium
Grade.

Deceptive Advertising is SOP.

"Deceptive"? It seems that you're the only one who thinks lumber
yards are in the business of selling furniture grade lumber.

Sigh, I don't know why I ask these questions.

Do you know of a company which doesn't advertise _having_ the
finest in premium lumber?
And if one can't get furniture grade lumber at a lumber yard,
where does one get it?
Amazon?
Ebay?
One's own personal wood lot, inherited from ancestors who planted
the finest trees for future use by their woodwright descendents?

When I went to the local lumber yard years ago to buy cedar for my
front porch I asked to have a second bale opened up because what was
open was of pretty poor quality and had been pretty well picked
through. Bob the lumber man - who was a customer of mine said no - it
was all grade A cedar and I couldn't expect lumber to be "perfect". I
told him what he had left open was certainly not grade "A" - more like
"Grafe K" for Kindling. He finally relented and opened a new bale
rather than lose my business - for good.

I saw a 2X4 at the local BORG a few months ago that could have been
used for the rockers of a rocking chair.

That said, they DO occaisionally have supplies of small quantities of
furniture grade hardwood but there are several local spacialist
hardwood suppliers where the local furniture shops get their wood.
(Some ofthe mennonite shops use lumber from the local mills and local
harfwood.)

pyotr filipivich writes:
on Sun, 28 Mar 2021 21:25:04 -0400 typed in

Um, when was the last time you saw the "finest premium lumber" in a
lumber yard or BORG? I think I remember my father talking about
carrying it out on the backs of unicorns.

Bizzzt!

Read closely: I did _not_ say they _have_ the finest in Premium
lumber.
I said they _Advertise_ having the finest in Premium Lumber. (No
doubt harvested by Elven Druids and hauled out of the woods by teams
of Unicorns lead by Leprechauns.)

I've _never_ seen them (Blue or Orange) claim such. Methinks thou
doth protest too much.


And if one can't get furniture grade lumber at a lumber yard,
where does one get it?
Amazon?
Ebay?

Personally, I get it he

https://www.jackelenterprises.com/ce...ial/hardwoods/

One's own personal wood lot, inherited from ancestors who planted
the finest trees for future use by their woodwright descendents?

Although my father (at the time, in his late 70's) built three
awesome grandfather clocks from a walnut tree that was next to the garage.

On Monday, March 29, 2021 at 11:59:23 AM UTC-4, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Mon, 29 Mar 2021 08:03:58 -0700, pyotr filipivich
wrote:

on Sun, 28 Mar 2021 21:25:04 -0400 typed in
rec.woodworking the following:
On Sun, 28 Mar 2021 16:36:25 -0700, pyotr filipivich
wrote:
DerbyDad03 on Sun, 28 Mar 2021 10:18:46 -0700
(PDT) typed in rec.woodworking the following:
On Sunday, March 28, 2021 at 11:04:52 AM UTC-4, pyotr filipivich wrote:
knuttle on Sat, 27 Mar 2021 15:45:40
-0400 typed in rec.woodworking the following:

Considering what construction lumber is going for these days, it is all
less than premium.
Today's 2x4 that goes for $8 is the same quality as last years $3 2x4.

Tain't the cost so much as I don't need pristine, organically
grown, faire trade, each tree individually selected and harvested by
druids in a sustainable manner, hand selected by virgins "perfect"
lumber. I just want "board, 2"x4"x96", one each" etc. Something
grade three or below.
I tend to go check Home Depots "mark down cart" - 70% off. Yes,
that's a major defect. OTOH, there is 7 feet of board without the
defect, and I can cut the two pieces I want out of it. "It will do."

Do you have a Restore (Habitat for Humanity) near you. Some have a lot
of lumber, at usually a good price.
I do, and I have, and I've gone broke saving money.

OTOH, they don't always have the size I'm after. Which brings me
back to my first query: what happens to the less than Premium Grade
hand selected gluten free vegan lumber? Shirley, it can't all be
getting sent to the PRC?

I guess I don't know what you mean by less than Premium Grade lumber.

What I mean is that if I go to a web site for a lumber yard, big
box store, whatever - I am assured that what they offer is the finest
premium lumber. Perfect for Your Home Project! And their prices
reflect that. Great.'

Um, when was the last time you saw the "finest premium lumber" in a
lumber yard or BORG? I think I remember my father talking about
carrying it out on the backs of unicorns.

Bizzzt!

Read closely: I did _not_ say they _have_ the finest in Premium
lumber.
I said they _Advertise_ having the finest in Premium Lumber. (No
doubt harvested by Elven Druids and hauled out of the woods by teams
of Unicorns lead by Leprechauns.)

Except I am not looking to build beautiful furniture that I can
pass along to the children, grand children and the antique
auctioneers.

When was the last time that you saw furniture grade lumber in a lumber
yard? Before the last ice age? ...or was it before the big asteroid?

In my youth. Of course in those days it was felled with stone
axes ...

Which is all beside the point.

I know that there are lesser grades of lumber, I'm just wondering
if there are retail outlets handling it, or do I have to search for a
sawmill and order a "unit"/ pallet load?

Nah, just go to the BORG. They have lots.

Even the Premium Grade lumber at most home centers is less than Premium
Grade.

Deceptive Advertising is SOP.

"Deceptive"? It seems that you're the only one who thinks lumber
yards are in the business of selling furniture grade lumber.

Sigh, I don't know why I ask these questions.

Do you know of a company which doesn't advertise _having_ the
finest in premium lumber?
And if one can't get furniture grade lumber at a lumber yard,
where does one get it?
Amazon?
Ebay?
One's own personal wood lot, inherited from ancestors who planted
the finest trees for future use by their woodwright descendents?
When I went to the local lumber yard years ago to buy cedar for my
front porch I asked to have a second bale opened up because what was
open was of pretty poor quality and had been pretty well picked
through. Bob the lumber man - who was a customer of mine said no - it
was all grade A cedar and I couldn't expect lumber to be "perfect". I
told him what he had left open was certainly not grade "A" - more like
"Grafe K" for Kindling. He finally relented and opened a new bale
rather than lose my business - for good.

And of course, opening a new bale is no guarantee that you'll get anything
better, especially if you don't use it quickly.

I recently grabbed a bunch of 2 x 4's from a fresh bale at Lowe's. Sighted
them as best possible for quality. I had 2 left over after a project and laid
them on my assembly table, face to face, nice and flat. I stacked a few
smaller cut-offs on top. A few days later I went downstairs and found the
cut-offs on the floor. Huh? How'd that happen? Do I have critters in my
basement?

The top full 2 x 4 had twisted so much that there was now a 3/4" gap between
it and the bottom one. Enough twist that the stack of cut-offs literally fell off.

Wrap of bunch of wet wood tightly into a bale and it'll all look great as soon
as you cut the straps.


I saw a 2X4 at the local BORG a few months ago that could have been
used for the rockers of a rocking chair.


And I'll bet it looked just fine on the day the bale was first opened.

I tend to avoid buying the heavier pieces, even from a fresh bale.
More weight may mean more moisture which may lead to more twisting.

On Monday, March 29, 2021 at 11:04:07 AM UTC-4, pyotr filipivich wrote:
on Sun, 28 Mar 2021 21:25:04 -0400 typed in
rec.woodworking the following:
On Sun, 28 Mar 2021 16:36:25 -0700, pyotr filipivich
wrote:
DerbyDad03 on Sun, 28 Mar 2021 10:18:46 -0700
(PDT) typed in rec.woodworking the following:
On Sunday, March 28, 2021 at 11:04:52 AM UTC-4, pyotr filipivich wrote:
knuttle on Sat, 27 Mar 2021 15:45:40
-0400 typed in rec.woodworking the following:

Considering what construction lumber is going for these days, it is all
less than premium.
Today's 2x4 that goes for $8 is the same quality as last years $3 2x4.

Tain't the cost so much as I don't need pristine, organically
grown, faire trade, each tree individually selected and harvested by
druids in a sustainable manner, hand selected by virgins "perfect"
lumber. I just want "board, 2"x4"x96", one each" etc. Something
grade three or below.
I tend to go check Home Depots "mark down cart" - 70% off. Yes,
that's a major defect. OTOH, there is 7 feet of board without the
defect, and I can cut the two pieces I want out of it. "It will do."

Do you have a Restore (Habitat for Humanity) near you. Some have a lot
of lumber, at usually a good price.
I do, and I have, and I've gone broke saving money.

OTOH, they don't always have the size I'm after. Which brings me
back to my first query: what happens to the less than Premium Grade
hand selected gluten free vegan lumber? Shirley, it can't all be
getting sent to the PRC?

I guess I don't know what you mean by less than Premium Grade lumber.

What I mean is that if I go to a web site for a lumber yard, big
box store, whatever - I am assured that what they offer is the finest
premium lumber. Perfect for Your Home Project! And their prices
reflect that. Great.'

Um, when was the last time you saw the "finest premium lumber" in a
lumber yard or BORG? I think I remember my father talking about
carrying it out on the backs of unicorns.
Bizzzt!

Read closely: I did _not_ say they _have_ the finest in Premium
lumber.
I said they _Advertise_ having the finest in Premium Lumber. (No
doubt harvested by Elven Druids and hauled out of the woods by teams
of Unicorns lead by Leprechauns.)

Except I am not looking to build beautiful furniture that I can
pass along to the children, grand children and the antique
auctioneers.

When was the last time that you saw furniture grade lumber in a lumber
yard? Before the last ice age? ...or was it before the big asteroid?
In my youth. Of course in those days it was felled with stone
axes ...

Which is all beside the point.

I know that there are lesser grades of lumber, I'm just wondering
if there are retail outlets handling it, or do I have to search for a
sawmill and order a "unit"/ pallet load?

Nah, just go to the BORG. They have lots.

Even the Premium Grade lumber at most home centers is less than Premium
Grade.

Deceptive Advertising is SOP.

"Deceptive"? It seems that you're the only one who thinks lumber
yards are in the business of selling furniture grade lumber.
Sigh, I don't know why I ask these questions.

Maybe it's not the questions, but the way you ask them. Maybe.


Do you know of a company which doesn't advertise _having_ the
finest in premium lumber?

Could you supply an ad that uses that phrase? I'm not sure I've seen it used.

I've seen claims like...

"Each piece of this lumber meets the highest quality grading standards
for strength and appearance"

That would tough for a big company to falsify, since there is a grading system
that they are *supposed* to adhere to.


And if one can't get furniture grade lumber at a lumber yard,
where does one get it?

I could get it at place that does millwork, such as a window and door
shop. I could also mill my own from rough lumber bought at more places
than I care to list.

This was all milled in my garage, assuming you consider a bench made for
a dining room table to be "furniture". (I thought it was, imagining a quality
finishing job. Then she painted it pink.)

https://imgur.com/lKWXiTy

On Mon, 29 Mar 2021 08:03:58 -0700, pyotr filipivich
wrote:

on Sun, 28 Mar 2021 21:25:04 -0400 typed in
rec.woodworking the following:
On Sun, 28 Mar 2021 16:36:25 -0700, pyotr filipivich
wrote:
DerbyDad03 on Sun, 28 Mar 2021 10:18:46 -0700
(PDT) typed in rec.woodworking the following:
On Sunday, March 28, 2021 at 11:04:52 AM UTC-4, pyotr filipivich wrote:
knuttle on Sat, 27 Mar 2021 15:45:40
-0400 typed in rec.woodworking the following:

Considering what construction lumber is going for these days, it is all
less than premium.
Today's 2x4 that goes for $8 is the same quality as last years $3 2x4.

Tain't the cost so much as I don't need pristine, organically
grown, faire trade, each tree individually selected and harvested by
druids in a sustainable manner, hand selected by virgins "perfect"
lumber. I just want "board, 2"x4"x96", one each" etc. Something
grade three or below.
I tend to go check Home Depots "mark down cart" - 70% off. Yes,
that's a major defect. OTOH, there is 7 feet of board without the
defect, and I can cut the two pieces I want out of it. "It will do."

Do you have a Restore (Habitat for Humanity) near you. Some have a lot
of lumber, at usually a good price.
I do, and I have, and I've gone broke saving money.

OTOH, they don't always have the size I'm after. Which brings me
back to my first query: what happens to the less than Premium Grade
hand selected gluten free vegan lumber? Shirley, it can't all be
getting sent to the PRC?

I guess I don't know what you mean by less than Premium Grade lumber.

What I mean is that if I go to a web site for a lumber yard, big
box store, whatever - I am assured that what they offer is the finest
premium lumber. Perfect for Your Home Project! And their prices
reflect that. Great.'

Um, when was the last time you saw the "finest premium lumber" in a
lumber yard or BORG? I think I remember my father talking about
carrying it out on the backs of unicorns.

Bizzzt!

Read closely: I did _not_ say they _have_ the finest in Premium
lumber.
I said they _Advertise_ having the finest in Premium Lumber. (No
doubt harvested by Elven Druids and hauled out of the woods by teams
of Unicorns lead by Leprechauns.)


Bzzzzt!

You want cheaper than the "finest premium lumber" from the BORG at
some fraction of whatever else they sell. Sorry but that's *ALL* they
sell - cheaper than the finest premium lumber. You can't buy what
they sell for some fraction of what they sell. It doesn't work that
way.

Except I am not looking to build beautiful furniture that I can
pass along to the children, grand children and the antique
auctioneers.

When was the last time that you saw furniture grade lumber in a lumber
yard? Before the last ice age? ...or was it before the big asteroid?

In my youth. Of course in those days it was felled with stone
axes ...

Evidently you're older than my father (who died in 1965).

Which is all beside the point.

I know that there are lesser grades of lumber, I'm just wondering
if there are retail outlets handling it, or do I have to search for a
sawmill and order a "unit"/ pallet load?

Nah, just go to the BORG. They have lots.

Even the Premium Grade lumber at most home centers is less than Premium
Grade.

Deceptive Advertising is SOP.

"Deceptive"? It seems that you're the only one who thinks lumber
yards are in the business of selling furniture grade lumber.

Sigh, I don't know why I ask these questions.

I'm supposed to know why?

Do you know of a company which doesn't advertise _having_ the
finest in premium lumber?
And if one can't get furniture grade lumber at a lumber yard,
where does one get it?
Amazon?
Ebay?
One's own personal wood lot, inherited from ancestors who planted
the finest trees for future use by their woodwright descendents?

Well, Woodcraft sells some pretty nice stuff, as does Rockler, and
Highland. If you didn't come from oil money, I'm sure there are
premium wood outlets within 500mi of you.