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For those of you in the south that got heavy snow accumulations
For those of you not in snow country..
Some of you got dumped on.. It pays to get the snow off the 1st 2 feet of the roof. I have a snow rake and get about 4 feet off. But assuming most of you southerners don't have it. Take a broom and try to get the 2 feet at the bottom of your roofs cleared. It may save you lots of money in rotted wood, or your shop if you have a basement shop. Years ago the ice damn caused a lot of water to run inside the house and it travelled the joists and soaked a lot of wood and also rusted a lot of stuff. Just an FYI.. -- Jeff |
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On 1/29/2014 11:59 AM, woodchucker wrote:
For those of you not in snow country.. Some of you got dumped on.. It pays to get the snow off the 1st 2 feet of the roof. I have a snow rake and get about 4 feet off. But assuming most of you southerners don't have it. Take a broom and try to get the 2 feet at the bottom of your roofs cleared. It may save you lots of money in rotted wood, or your shop if you have a basement shop. Years ago the ice damn caused a lot of water to run inside the house and it travelled the joists and soaked a lot of wood and also rusted a lot of stuff. Your roof isn't constructed right. If it was, what you describe wouldn't happen. |
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On 1/29/2014 2:34 PM, Just Wondering wrote:
On 1/29/2014 11:59 AM, woodchucker wrote: For those of you not in snow country.. Some of you got dumped on.. It pays to get the snow off the 1st 2 feet of the roof. I have a snow rake and get about 4 feet off. But assuming most of you southerners don't have it. Take a broom and try to get the 2 feet at the bottom of your roofs cleared. It may save you lots of money in rotted wood, or your shop if you have a basement shop. Years ago the ice damn caused a lot of water to run inside the house and it travelled the joists and soaked a lot of wood and also rusted a lot of stuff. Your roof isn't constructed right. If it was, what you describe wouldn't happen. Yep, I have never worried about it in Canada is the 17 years I have been in this house, never a problem. Those in the deep south do not need to worry, it will all be melted in a couple days anyway. -- Froz... The system will be down for 10 days for preventive maintenance. |
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On 1/29/2014 2:34 PM, Just Wondering wrote:
On 1/29/2014 11:59 AM, woodchucker wrote: For those of you not in snow country.. Some of you got dumped on.. It pays to get the snow off the 1st 2 feet of the roof. I have a snow rake and get about 4 feet off. But assuming most of you southerners don't have it. Take a broom and try to get the 2 feet at the bottom of your roofs cleared. It may save you lots of money in rotted wood, or your shop if you have a basement shop. Years ago the ice damn caused a lot of water to run inside the house and it travelled the joists and soaked a lot of wood and also rusted a lot of stuff. Your roof isn't constructed right. If it was, what you describe wouldn't happen. Really. Ice damning is a normal occurrence. I do not have an A frame house which is geared to shed the snow much more easily. But most roofs unless pitched excessively will not shed the snow. -- Jeff |
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On 1/29/2014 12:52 PM, woodchucker wrote:
On 1/29/2014 2:34 PM, Just Wondering wrote: On 1/29/2014 11:59 AM, woodchucker wrote: For those of you not in snow country.. Some of you got dumped on.. It pays to get the snow off the 1st 2 feet of the roof. I have a snow rake and get about 4 feet off. But assuming most of you southerners don't have it. Take a broom and try to get the 2 feet at the bottom of your roofs cleared. It may save you lots of money in rotted wood, or your shop if you have a basement shop. Years ago the ice damn caused a lot of water to run inside the house and it travelled the joists and soaked a lot of wood and also rusted a lot of stuff. Your roof isn't constructed right. If it was, what you describe wouldn't happen. Really. Ice damning is a normal occurrence. So what? If a roof is constructed properly, ice damming will not cause water to do what you describe. There are millions of properly constructed roofs to prove it. |
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On 1/29/2014 2:51 PM, FrozenNorth wrote:
On 1/29/2014 2:34 PM, Just Wondering wrote: On 1/29/2014 11:59 AM, woodchucker wrote: For those of you not in snow country.. Some of you got dumped on.. It pays to get the snow off the 1st 2 feet of the roof. I have a snow rake and get about 4 feet off. But assuming most of you southerners don't have it. Take a broom and try to get the 2 feet at the bottom of your roofs cleared. It may save you lots of money in rotted wood, or your shop if you have a basement shop. Years ago the ice damn caused a lot of water to run inside the house and it travelled the joists and soaked a lot of wood and also rusted a lot of stuff. Your roof isn't constructed right. If it was, what you describe wouldn't happen. Yep, I have never worried about it in Canada is the 17 years I have been in this house, never a problem. Those in the deep south do not need to worry, it will all be melted in a couple days anyway. It's the melting and freezing that's the problem. When night comes and it refreezes it creates damns then the water runs under the shingles when it melts again, since it can't go past the ice., and that's when you have problems. Here in NJ, the roofs generally are pitched for moderate snow. Heavier snows will cause problems. -- Jeff |
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On 01/29/2014 12:59 PM, woodchucker wrote:
For those of you not in snow country.. Some of you got dumped on.. It pays to get the snow off the 1st 2 feet of the roof. I have a snow rake and get about 4 feet off. But assuming most of you southerners don't have it. Take a broom and try to get the 2 feet at the bottom of your roofs cleared. It may save you lots of money in rotted wood, or your shop if you have a basement shop. Years ago the ice damn caused a lot of water to run inside the house and it travelled the joists and soaked a lot of wood and also rusted a lot of stuff. Just an FYI.. I have never seen an ice dam form in AL. usually or snow events last for 10 hours or so and melt completely in a day or so. If we have a mini ice age, I'll heed your warning. What most southerners could really benefit from is rudimentary driving lessons, for instance yesterday there was a little over an inch on the roads, it's cold enough that it is a dry blowing snow over some pack ice on the roads. People drove in the ditches by the tens of thousands. I don't understand it. I don't claim any great driving skill but I managed to drive 150 plus miles in the same mess without any problems. (in a two wheel drive pickup) basilisk |
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On Wed, 29 Jan 2014 12:54:45 -0700, Just Wondering
wrote: On 1/29/2014 12:52 PM, woodchucker wrote: On 1/29/2014 2:34 PM, Just Wondering wrote: On 1/29/2014 11:59 AM, woodchucker wrote: For those of you not in snow country.. Some of you got dumped on.. It pays to get the snow off the 1st 2 feet of the roof. I have a snow rake and get about 4 feet off. But assuming most of you southerners don't have it. Take a broom and try to get the 2 feet at the bottom of your roofs cleared. It may save you lots of money in rotted wood, or your shop if you have a basement shop. Years ago the ice damn caused a lot of water to run inside the house and it travelled the joists and soaked a lot of wood and also rusted a lot of stuff. Your roof isn't constructed right. If it was, what you describe wouldn't happen. Really. Ice damning is a normal occurrence. So what? If a roof is constructed properly, ice damming will not cause water to do what you describe. There are millions of properly constructed roofs to prove it. And millions that are not as water tight, so to err on the side of caution is not a bad idea. I have found it really difficult to determine whether it is "constructed right" by looking from the ground. Mark |
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On 1/29/2014 2:37 PM, basilisk wrote:
What most southerners could really benefit from is rudimentary driving lessons, Apparently a good many northerners could benefit also? https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/phot...t=d irectlink -- eWoodShop: www.eWoodShop.com Wood Shop: www.e-WoodShop.net https://plus.google.com/+KarlCaillouet/posts http://www.custommade.com/by/ewoodshop/ KarlCaillouet@ (the obvious) |
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On 1/29/2014 2:37 PM, basilisk wrote:
.... I have never seen an ice dam form in AL. usually or snow events last for 10 hours or so and melt completely in a day or so. If we have a mini ice age, I'll heed your warning. What most southerners could really benefit from is rudimentary driving lessons, for instance yesterday there was a little over an inch on the roads, it's cold enough that it is a dry blowing snow over some pack ice on the roads. People drove in the ditches by the tens of thousands. I don't understand it. I don't claim any great driving skill but I managed to drive 150 plus miles in the same mess without any problems. (in a two wheel drive pickup) The primary problem is they simply won't slow down sufficiently enough to even have a half-chance when they do lose it when either a) somebody in front loses it, b) they try to pass on icy lane and lose it, c) they try to stop themselves as the primary instigators. I'm always simply amazed at how many UPS drivers seem no better, nationwide. They must be in the OTR race for rollovers and landing in medians/ditches by an order of magnitude or more compared the rest of the national carrier brands... We had just a couple of inches Monday night that left a fairly slick surface on the blacktop bypass around town Tuesday. I'd run to town for the mail after shoveling the walks off and doing chores and was about plowed over by an oversize load guy while in the turn lane to make the turn on our road waiting for oncoming. I was getting ready to head on straight and hit the ditch behind the other guy when he did finally manage to straighten it out but wasn't but a few lengths behind me when he did...again, nothing but idiocy of trying to drive 50 in 30 mph conditions. There were enough tracks that even his load rig started swinging from one to another and when he tried to shut 'er down he did it too quickly...very easy to see what was happening; not much of anywhere to go w/ the other one coming over the hill from the south. -- |
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On Wed, 29 Jan 2014 13:59:18 -0500, woodchucker
wrote: For those of you not in snow country.. Some of you got dumped on.. It pays to get the snow off the 1st 2 feet of the roof. I have a snow rake and get about 4 feet off. But assuming most of you southerners don't have it. Take a broom and try to get the 2 feet at the bottom of your roofs cleared. It may save you lots of money in rotted wood, or your shop if you have a basement shop. Years ago the ice damn caused a lot of water to run inside the house and it travelled the joists and soaked a lot of wood and also rusted a lot of stuff. Just an FYI.. Hmm. When I lived in Vermont, it was no problem. The roofs stayed cold enough that ice dams weren't a problem. Well, in the houses that weren't built in the '70s or early '80s. Here in GA it might be more of a concern. Though we only got a couple of inches of snow and it'll probably all be gone Saturday. The issue was the attic getting warmer than freezing while the eves were colder. Any water then gets "dammed" by the ice over the eves. This shouldn't be a problem, in this case, because the roof will be the same temperature, as it warms. Assuming a ventilated attic and insulation, of course. |
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On 1/29/2014 3:05 PM, Markem wrote:
And millions that are not as water tight, so to err on the side of caution is not a bad idea. I have found it really difficult to determine whether it is "constructed right" by looking from the ground. Properly installed, "water and ice shield", you should be able to see it under the drip edge, where it has been rolled over the fascia ... you just have to get close enough to see if it's there. It it is over the drip edge, the installation is suspect. Amazingly enough, we do spec "water and ice shield" in our roofing contracts down here in Texas ... at least those interested in doing things right do. -- eWoodShop: www.eWoodShop.com Wood Shop: www.e-WoodShop.net https://plus.google.com/+KarlCaillouet/posts http://www.custommade.com/by/ewoodshop/ KarlCaillouet@ (the obvious) |
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On Wed, 29 Jan 2014 15:28:32 -0600, dpb wrote:
On 1/29/2014 2:37 PM, basilisk wrote: ... I have never seen an ice dam form in AL. usually or snow events last for 10 hours or so and melt completely in a day or so. If we have a mini ice age, I'll heed your warning. What most southerners could really benefit from is rudimentary driving lessons, for instance yesterday there was a little over an inch on the roads, it's cold enough that it is a dry blowing snow over some pack ice on the roads. People drove in the ditches by the tens of thousands. I don't understand it. I don't claim any great driving skill but I managed to drive 150 plus miles in the same mess without any problems. (in a two wheel drive pickup) The primary problem is they simply won't slow down sufficiently enough to even have a half-chance when they do lose it when either a) somebody in front loses it, b) they try to pass on icy lane and lose it, c) they try to stop themselves I found exactly the opposite, yesterday. People were so scared they wouldn't move. They drove too *slow* (as in stopped) and the snow under them turned to ice. There wasn't a chance to blow lanes clear of pack the snow before it turned to ice. People stopped at the bottom of hills. They're probably still there. The other big problem is that there are no Winter tires here (myself included) and many are running slicks. Then there are the truly stupid, like the guy that did a 3-point U-turn in front of me, into a driveway that was declined about 5' in 40'. Of course he was driving a 2WD pickup with no weight in the back. I was also driving a pickup (no weight) but I have good tires and was smart enough to pick the next driveway (flat). Some bozo couldn't even manage that driveway and drove over the person's lawn to get out. as the primary instigators. I'm always simply amazed at how many UPS drivers seem no better, nationwide. They must be in the OTR race for rollovers and landing in medians/ditches by an order of magnitude or more compared the rest of the national carrier brands... Their trucks don't looks especially good for snow; top and front heavy, with RWD. We had just a couple of inches Monday night that left a fairly slick surface on the blacktop bypass around town Tuesday. I'd run to town for the mail after shoveling the walks off and doing chores and was about plowed over by an oversize load guy while in the turn lane to make the turn on our road waiting for oncoming. I was getting ready to head on straight and hit the ditch behind the other guy when he did finally manage to straighten it out but wasn't but a few lengths behind me when he did...again, nothing but idiocy of trying to drive 50 in 30 mph conditions. There were enough tracks that even his load rig started swinging from one to another and when he tried to shut 'er down he did it too quickly...very easy to see what was happening; not much of anywhere to go w/ the other one coming over the hill from the south. I tell people that the "shoulder is your friend" but here there are many places there is no shoulder, only a 20' drop to the woods below. |
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On 01/29/2014 03:23 PM, Swingman wrote:
On 1/29/2014 2:37 PM, basilisk wrote: What most southerners could really benefit from is rudimentary driving lessons, Apparently a good many northerners could benefit also? No doubt, there could be some benefit all around the Country. Al has zero requirements for drivers education other than a short written test and a very limited road test. If the parents aren't responsible enough to teach their kids, it is basically here are the keys take off. It ends badly too often. https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/phot...t=d irectlink I'm surprised really that the Northern states aren't worse than shown, considering the amount of snow that they have and the large populations. Alabama probably averages less than one day a year of snow and ice. Texas looks high, but on the other hand, the Dallas metro area alone has 1.5 times the entire population of Alabama. basilisk |
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On Wed, 29 Jan 2014 12:54:45 -0700, Just Wondering
wrote: On 1/29/2014 12:52 PM, woodchucker wrote: On 1/29/2014 2:34 PM, Just Wondering wrote: On 1/29/2014 11:59 AM, woodchucker wrote: For those of you not in snow country.. Some of you got dumped on.. It pays to get the snow off the 1st 2 feet of the roof. I have a snow rake and get about 4 feet off. But assuming most of you southerners don't have it. Take a broom and try to get the 2 feet at the bottom of your roofs cleared. It may save you lots of money in rotted wood, or your shop if you have a basement shop. Years ago the ice damn caused a lot of water to run inside the house and it travelled the joists and soaked a lot of wood and also rusted a lot of stuff. Your roof isn't constructed right. If it was, what you describe wouldn't happen. Really. Ice damning is a normal occurrence. So what? If a roof is constructed properly, ice damming will not cause water to do what you describe. There are millions of properly constructed roofs to prove it. Built for southern conditions, then hit with snow, could conseivably cause ide dam problems. We build differently in snow zones. A "properly constructed" roof in Atlanta or New Orleans would not be built to handle snow and freeze-thaw cycles. |
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On Wed, 29 Jan 2014 15:35:09 -0600, Swingman wrote:
On 1/29/2014 3:05 PM, Markem wrote: And millions that are not as water tight, so to err on the side of caution is not a bad idea. I have found it really difficult to determine whether it is "constructed right" by looking from the ground. Properly installed, "water and ice shield", you should be able to see it under the drip edge, where it has been rolled over the fascia ... you just have to get close enough to see if it's there. It it is over the drip edge, the installation is suspect. Amazingly enough, we do spec "water and ice shield" in our roofing contracts down here in Texas ... at least those interested in doing things right do. But if you now have a nice accumulation of snow and do not "know" go out and do the broom thing, get a bit of exercise too. If it was my house getting a new roof, I would go for over kill and do the whole roof with "water and ice shield". But the over the eaves and valleys is best building practice for a roof. My roof does not have any of the shielding, it has had over a foot of snow maybe three times in the 6 years we have been here. It does not leak, it is 3/12 pitch. Mark |
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My guy in Bufallo had his office in his house.
At least twice a year his wife would call in and tell us Jim was shoveling off the roof after a storm not only to keep ice dams from forming but also to reduce the snow load on the roof. Every time we got that call could just visualize Jim loosing his balance and sliding off the roof. Never happened, but still didn't keep me from sweating the operation out until Jim got back in the house and off the roof. Housing codes vary all over the country. You can use an asphalt shingle roof in the North East & Midwest, but they are about as useful as tits on a boar hog in the desert SW where tile does a better job. Different horses for different courses. Lew |
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On Wed, 29 Jan 2014 14:51:27 -0500, FrozenNorth
Yep, I have never worried about it in Canada is the 17 years I have been in this house, never a problem. Those in the deep south do not need to worry, it will all be melted in a couple days anyway. What kind of roof do you have that you don't have to worry about ice dams? |
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On Thu, 30 Jan 2014 01:22:52 -0500, FrozenNorth
Very steep, story and a half post WW2 house, you couldn't pay me enough to climb on that thing, got it reshingled, they charge extra because of the steep pitch. My parent's house was the exact opposite. It was a farmhouse built circa 1825 and had an extremely low pitch. To prevent the snow and ice buildup we ran heating wires zigzagging about two feet up all along the back of the house. |
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On 1/29/2014 1:59 PM, woodchucker wrote:
For those of you not in snow country.. Some of you got dumped on.. It pays to get the snow off the 1st 2 feet of the roof. I have a snow rake and get about 4 feet off. But assuming most of you southerners don't have it. Take a broom and try to get the 2 feet at the bottom of your roofs cleared. It may save you lots of money in rotted wood, or your shop if you have a basement shop. Years ago the ice damn caused a lot of water to run inside the house and it travelled the joists and soaked a lot of wood and also rusted a lot of stuff. A good idea. I'm one of the ones in a city ill prepared for two inches of snow. Here they don't even require tar paper, let alone ice damn membrane. Not sure how well the membrane works, but I had it put in. I've got a truck across the street that slid backwards and wedged itself in between a phone pole and a cement wall. Almost no damage now, but I imagine that won't be the case when it is pulled out! Southerners do not understand ice and snow. I hear a car at this very moment gunning the engine trying to move. Jeff Just an FYI.. |
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On 1/30/2014 7:13 AM, Jeff Thies wrote:
Southerners do not understand ice and snow. Bull****! We even have a snowplow: https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/phot...t=d irectlink -- eWoodShop: www.eWoodShop.com Wood Shop: www.e-WoodShop.net https://plus.google.com/+KarlCaillouet/posts http://www.custommade.com/by/ewoodshop/ KarlCaillouet@ (the obvious) |
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On 1/30/2014 8:31 AM, Swingman wrote:
On 1/30/2014 7:13 AM, Jeff Thies wrote: Southerners do not understand ice and snow. Bull****! We even have a snowplow: https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/phot...t=d irectlink Damn fine machine! |
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On Wed, 29 Jan 2014 13:59:18 -0500, woodchucker
wrote: For those of you not in snow country.. Some of you got dumped on.. It pays to get the snow off the 1st 2 feet of the roof. I have a snow rake and get about 4 feet off. But assuming most of you southerners don't have it. Take a broom and try to get the 2 feet at the bottom of your roofs cleared. It may save you lots of money in rotted wood, or your shop if you have a basement shop. Years ago the ice damn caused a lot of water to run inside the house and it travelled the joists and soaked a lot of wood and also rusted a lot of stuff. Just an FYI.. I would not think that a properly vented roof would ice dam. |
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Swingman wrote:
On 1/30/2014 7:13 AM, Jeff Thies wrote: Southerners do not understand ice and snow. Bull****! We even have a snowplow: https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/phot...t=d irectlink Leave it to a Texan to put tire chains on the rear wheels of a front wheel drive car... -- -Mike- |
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On Wed, 29 Jan 2014 13:59:18 -0500, woodchucker wrote: For those of you not in snow country.. Some of you got dumped on.. It pays to get the snow off the 1st 2 feet of the roof. I have a snow rake and get about 4 feet off. But assuming most of you southerners don't have it. Take a broom and try to get the 2 feet at the bottom of your roofs cleared. It may save you lots of money in rotted wood, or your shop if you have a basement shop. Years ago the ice damn caused a lot of water to run inside the house and it travelled the joists and soaked a lot of wood and also rusted a lot of stuff. Just an FYI.. I would not think that a properly vented roof would ice dam. They sure do. All of the practices of creating venting, minimizing heat loss, etc. are valid, but they do not stop ice damns under the right conditions. That's why we use water and ice barriers in the north country. Mine extends probably 3 times higher up my roof than even the most cautious recommendations, and across my valleys as well. Metal roofs do go a lot further to combat this problem but you have to like that look. And... you have to think about all of that snow sliding off your roof - unintended consequences and all that stuff. -- -Mike- |
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On Thu, 30 Jan 2014 11:18:40 -0500, "Mike Marlow"
wrote: wrote: On Wed, 29 Jan 2014 13:59:18 -0500, woodchucker wrote: For those of you not in snow country.. Some of you got dumped on.. It pays to get the snow off the 1st 2 feet of the roof. I have a snow rake and get about 4 feet off. But assuming most of you southerners don't have it. Take a broom and try to get the 2 feet at the bottom of your roofs cleared. It may save you lots of money in rotted wood, or your shop if you have a basement shop. Years ago the ice damn caused a lot of water to run inside the house and it travelled the joists and soaked a lot of wood and also rusted a lot of stuff. Just an FYI.. I would not think that a properly vented roof would ice dam. They sure do. All of the practices of creating venting, minimizing heat loss, etc. are valid, but they do not stop ice damns under the right conditions. That's why we use water and ice barriers in the north country. Mine extends probably 3 times higher up my roof than even the most cautious recommendations, and across my valleys as well. Metal roofs do go a lot further to combat this problem but you have to like that look. And... you have to think about all of that snow sliding off your roof - unintended consequences and all that stuff. I had a near miss in Flagstaff, AZ one day when a couple of feet of snow slid off a metal roof just as I stepped out of the way. I had a blessed day! |
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In article
woodchucker writes: On 1/30/2014 10:01 AM, wrote: I would not think that a properly vented roof would ice dam. Ok, you get to believe what you want. I know that even a well insulated attic , well ventilated will still damn. The problem is the sun and air, it will melt the snow, and that will refreeze at night if cold enough (usually is). Then the rethaw will start the process over.... And that is where the problem occurs. The problem that bit me several years ago was not caused by the roof. It was caused by the gutters. When there is snow followed by subfreezing temps, the sun melts the snow, which drains into the gutters, where it freezes immediately. Usually this isn't too much of a problem. But a few years back, things combined just wrong. We'd had enough of that cycle to completely fill the gutters. Then we got more snow, then the snow melted from all but the eves. Then we got freezing rain. The gutters kept the eves cold enough to freeze the saturated snow, then the rain backed up behind that. I keep saying that I'll put emergency heating cables in the gutters. Maybe next year. -- Drew Lawson | And to those who lack the courage | And say it's dangerous to try | Well they just don't know | That love eternal will not be denied |
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For those of you in the south that got heavy snow accumulations
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Ok, you get to believe what you want. I know that even a well insulated attic , well ventilated will still damn. The problem is the sun and air, it will melt the snow, and that will refreeze at night if cold enough (usually is). Then the rethaw will start the process over.... And that is where the problem occurs. When my house was built, they did not have the glue down membranes in use regularly. Now I believe they do. I am due for a new roof, but it will likely be a second layer.. so not really ideal for a membrane. Maybe, maybe not Jeff. You could strip back from the edge, down to the deck. I would go at least twice what they recommend because I believe in overkill. Went further on my own roof when I re-reoofed. But... lay down the membrane and shingle over it - even if you re-use the old shingles. Then - proceed as if you were simply laying down a second layer over the old first layer. Though... I'm no believer in going over an existing roof. I'm kinda shocked that you are considering such a thing. Just does not seem like the Jeff I see here. Oh hell - go for it - bring in a dumpster, pay for the cheap labor and strip it right down to the deck like you should. It will look better and lay in better. You can do it Jeff... -- -Mike- |
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On 1/30/2014 11:25 AM, Mike Marlow wrote:
woodchucker wrote: Ok, you get to believe what you want. I know that even a well insulated attic , well ventilated will still damn. The problem is the sun and air, it will melt the snow, and that will refreeze at night if cold enough (usually is). Then the rethaw will start the process over.... And that is where the problem occurs. When my house was built, they did not have the glue down membranes in use regularly. Now I believe they do. I am due for a new roof, but it will likely be a second layer.. so not really ideal for a membrane. Maybe, maybe not Jeff. You could strip back from the edge, down to the deck. I would go at least twice what they recommend because I believe in overkill. Went further on my own roof when I re-reoofed. But... lay down the membrane and shingle over it - even if you re-use the old shingles. Then - proceed as if you were simply laying down a second layer over the old first layer. Though... I'm no believer in going over an existing roof. I'm kinda shocked that you are considering such a thing. Just does not seem like the Jeff I see here. Oh hell - go for it - bring in a dumpster, pay for the cheap labor and strip it right down to the deck like you should. It will look better and lay in better. You can do it Jeff... Geez I'm speechless. When I'm ready we'll see what the price difference is. I like the metal roof look, would love to see how much that costs. But when I had a house in VT I remember the rain, the sound was incredible, but that was before they started insulating the roofs on the outside. -- Jeff |
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On Thu, 30 Jan 2014 11:00:48 -0500, woodchucker wrote: Ok, you get to believe what you want. I know that even a well insulated attic , well ventilated will still damn. The problem is the sun and air, it will melt the snow, and that will refreeze at night if cold enough (usually is). Then the rethaw will start the process over.... And that is where the problem occurs. When my house was built, they did not have the glue down membranes in use regularly. Now I believe they do. I am due for a new roof, but it will likely be a second layer.. so not really ideal for a membrane. I was referring to how the attic is ventilated above the soffit. Perhaps you missed Jeff's opening comment about a well ventilated attic? Ventilation is certainly key to minimizing ice build up but it does not ensure no ice build up. Nor does more insulation. -- -Mike- |
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On 1/30/2014 10:13 AM, Mike Marlow wrote:
Swingman wrote: On 1/30/2014 7:13 AM, Jeff Thies wrote: Southerners do not understand ice and snow. Bull****! We even have a snowplow: https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/phot...t=d irectlink Leave it to a Texan to put tire chains on the rear wheels of a front wheel drive car... Yep, go figure. Since southerners obviously don't know understand ice and snow, one of our 'winter Texans'/"snowbirds" from the NE was tasked with that job. You know, one of those who collect unemployment in NJ in the winter, while coming down here to work until it warms up enough to go back. Unfortunately, he skidded off the road when it rained here a couple of winters back and is currently collecting both disability and unemployment. -- eWoodShop: www.eWoodShop.com Wood Shop: www.e-WoodShop.net https://plus.google.com/+KarlCaillouet/posts http://www.custommade.com/by/ewoodshop/ KarlCaillouet@ (the obvious) |
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I had a near miss in Flagstaff, AZ one day when a couple of feet of snow slid off a metal roof just as I stepped out of the way. I had a blessed day! No Kidding Man! That's one of the bigger issues with metal. Those cute little snow stops are about useless - ask anyone who has shared your experience. Plus - if you do have to get up on that roof (say to... oh,... maybe clean a chimney...), wel, you can imagine... No roof offers a total and complete worry free solution. Each one has it drawbacks and it's positives. I submitt that since the world of roofing is so inconclusive, we just do away with roofs completely!... -- -Mike- |
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Swingman wrote:
Yep, go figure. Since southerners obviously don't know understand ice and snow, one of our 'winter Texans'/"snowbirds" from the NE was tasked with that job. You know, one of those who collect unemployment in NJ in the winter, while coming down here to work until it warms up enough to go back. Unfortunately, he skidded off the road when it rained here a couple of winters back and is currently collecting both disability and unemployment. Wait a minute - you guys don't really have snowbirds, do you? I thought that everyone who migrated down to Texas simply stayed there. As for the displaced NJ employee - well hell - of course! These guys know how to work those systems. Disability is listed as a professional skill on their resumes. -- -Mike- |
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On 1/30/2014 10:18 AM, Mike Marlow wrote:
wrote: On Wed, 29 Jan 2014 13:59:18 -0500, woodchucker wrote: For those of you not in snow country.. Some of you got dumped on.. It pays to get the snow off the 1st 2 feet of the roof. I have a snow rake and get about 4 feet off. But assuming most of you southerners don't have it. Take a broom and try to get the 2 feet at the bottom of your roofs cleared. It may save you lots of money in rotted wood, or your shop if you have a basement shop. Years ago the ice damn caused a lot of water to run inside the house and it travelled the joists and soaked a lot of wood and also rusted a lot of stuff. Just an FYI.. I would not think that a properly vented roof would ice dam. They sure do. All of the practices of creating venting, minimizing heat loss, etc. are valid, but they do not stop ice damns under the right conditions. That's why we use water and ice barriers in the north country. Mine extends probably 3 times higher up my roof than even the most cautious recommendations, and across my valleys as well. Metal roofs do go a lot further to combat this problem but you have to like that look. And... you have to think about all of that snow sliding off your roof - unintended consequences and all that stuff. That might all depend on the type metal roof that you have. My last house had a metal, aluminum, cedar shake roof. So snow may not slide off easily at all. |
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