This piece is nothing special, just wanted to illustrate a point..

I think that in turning, as well as other art forms, knowing when to stop is as
important as knowing how to make or do the work..

Could I have made the piece really, really round?
Sure.. but besides being smaller and maybe bottom heavy, I think it would be
less interesting....

I noticed several years and a wife ago that it's very true with painters..
My ex-wife would do what I thought was a nice painting and then try to make it
better by adding more detail, color, shadow, whatever... Usually it hurt more
than helped...

I'm not trying to be Arch or Charlie here, just curious if anyone else had
opinions about "when to stop" or "when it's finished"..


mac

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On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 15:18:43 -0800, mac davis
wrote:

This piece is nothing special, just wanted to illustrate a point..

I think that in turning, as well as other art forms, knowing when to stop is as
important as knowing how to make or do the work..

Could I have made the piece really, really round?
Sure.. but besides being smaller and maybe bottom heavy, I think it would be
less interesting....

I noticed several years and a wife ago that it's very true with painters..
My ex-wife would do what I thought was a nice painting and then try to make it
better by adding more detail, color, shadow, whatever... Usually it hurt more
than helped...

I'm not trying to be Arch or Charlie here, just curious if anyone else had
opinions about "when to stop" or "when it's finished"..


mac

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You are right. You have to know when to stop. My most impressive
paintings were done in less than 30 minutes! When I learned to fuss
less, my talents are revealed and the results greatly improved. I
think this is true with mudding drywall.

In my limited experience I seem to come to a point where I look at my work
very closely and ask myself if anything more will help or hurt.
Usually when I get to that point, it's time to stop - unless I find some
cleanup I need to do.

Kate

"mac davis" wrote in message
...
This piece is nothing special, just wanted to illustrate a point..

I think that in turning, as well as other art forms, knowing when to stop is
as
important as knowing how to make or do the work..

Could I have made the piece really, really round?
Sure.. but besides being smaller and maybe bottom heavy, I think it would be
less interesting....

I noticed several years and a wife ago that it's very true with painters..
My ex-wife would do what I thought was a nice painting and then try to make
it
better by adding more detail, color, shadow, whatever... Usually it hurt
more
than helped...

I'm not trying to be Arch or Charlie here, just curious if anyone else had
opinions about "when to stop" or "when it's finished"..


mac

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On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 23:48:38 GMT, Phisherman wrote:


You are right. You have to know when to stop. My most impressive
paintings were done in less than 30 minutes! When I learned to fuss
less, my talents are revealed and the results greatly improved. I
think this is true with mudding drywall.

Kind of funny that the only one of my ex's paintings that I kept was a
"mistake"...
She had tried to paint an Indian lady kneeling next to a river, and didn't like
it.. I was walking downstairs to the shop and saw the painting and loved it,
which ****ed her off royally..
She was about 2/3 through painting the canvas white to re-use and all that was
left was the middle.. looked like a feather floating in the sky..
I have it on the wall and folks all see something different in it...


mac

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On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 18:42:07 -0600, "Kate"
wrote:

In my limited experience I seem to come to a point where I look at my work
very closely and ask myself if anything more will help or hurt.
Usually when I get to that point, it's time to stop - unless I find some
cleanup I need to do.

Kate

Exactly...
You have to trust your instincts, I think...

On the lathe, you have to stop the spin often an really look at it... It doesn't
look the same in motion..

I couldn't even estimate how many times my wife and I have stood next to the
lathe with out heads tilted sideways, trying to see what a piece would look like
standing up..
We must look pretty weird to folks driving by..... lol


mac

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Care to post a photo of it?
I'd like to see it.

K.

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On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 23:48:38 GMT, Phisherman wrote:


You are right. You have to know when to stop. My most impressive
paintings were done in less than 30 minutes! When I learned to fuss
less, my talents are revealed and the results greatly improved. I
think this is true with mudding drywall.

Kind of funny that the only one of my ex's paintings that I kept was a
"mistake"...
She had tried to paint an Indian lady kneeling next to a river, and didn't
like
it.. I was walking downstairs to the shop and saw the painting and loved it,
which ****ed her off royally..
She was about 2/3 through painting the canvas white to re-use and all that
was
left was the middle.. looked like a feather floating in the sky..
I have it on the wall and folks all see something different in it...


mac

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LOL!
Hubby and I used to do that when we were working on the house. We put in a
rock garden and would go stand across the street and stare at it.
I know the neighbors thought we were 12 short of a dozen.

Luckily, we moved, now the new neighbors are kept wondering.

K.

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On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 18:42:07 -0600, "Kate"
wrote:

In my limited experience I seem to come to a point where I look at my work
very closely and ask myself if anything more will help or hurt.
Usually when I get to that point, it's time to stop - unless I find some
cleanup I need to do.

Kate

Exactly...
You have to trust your instincts, I think...

On the lathe, you have to stop the spin often an really look at it... It
doesn't
look the same in motion..

I couldn't even estimate how many times my wife and I have stood next to the
lathe with out heads tilted sideways, trying to see what a piece would look
like
standing up..
We must look pretty weird to folks driving by..... lol


mac

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"mac davis" wrote

I think that in turning, as well as other art forms, knowing when to stop
is as
important as knowing how to make or do the work..

As in musical performance, the phenomenon that the 'pursuit of perfection'
of the performer often rips out the 'heart and soul' of a piece.

And therein lies the reason for the artificial "beauty mark" applied to the
faces of the great beauties of yore ... a manifestation/tribute to the
beauty inherent in human imperfection ... a concept much too subtle to be
appreciated by the idiocracy of the MTV generation.

Nice to know that others can still appreciate that less is often better ...
and that the space between the notes is often more important than the notes
themselves.

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mac davis wrote in
:


I'm not trying to be Arch or Charlie here, just curious if anyone else
had opinions about "when to stop" or "when it's finished"..


This is a problem that has plagued mankind. It's not just a woodworking-
thing, or a painting-thing. I took creative writing classes in college and
writers have the same problem. Thoreau rewrote "Walden" seven times and
died before he could hack at it an eighth. In the creative process, you
have some idea of what the finished "thing" should look like. Sometimes
this idea changes as you work on the project. The hard thing to do is to
stop, just before you reach the "done" point and re-evaluate what you're
trying to accomplish, and then proceed slowly.

mac;
I think the question of when to stop has plagued me in both of my last two
"hobbies". Specifically when to stop sanding! I used to do custom auto body
work and inevitably couldn't stop sanding just a little more on that little
flaw, till I had to redo the entire body panel. Now with the woodworking, I
find myself never being quite satisfied with a project finish, till I have
to redo the whole section!!


"mac davis" wrote in message
...
This piece is nothing special, just wanted to illustrate a point..

I think that in turning, as well as other art forms, knowing when to stop
is as
important as knowing how to make or do the work..

Could I have made the piece really, really round?
Sure.. but besides being smaller and maybe bottom heavy, I think it would
be
less interesting....

I noticed several years and a wife ago that it's very true with painters..
My ex-wife would do what I thought was a nice painting and then try to
make it
better by adding more detail, color, shadow, whatever... Usually it hurt
more
than helped...

I'm not trying to be Arch or Charlie here, just curious if anyone else had
opinions about "when to stop" or "when it's finished"..


mac

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Swingman wrote:

... a concept much too subtle to be appreciated by the idiocracy
of the MTV generation.

Every generation believes the up and coming generation are a bunch of
boneheads, and that things just "ain't the way they used to be". One
hundred years ago and one hundred years from now, the old dudes bitch
about the young dudes... no respect, no appreciation, spoiled, lazy...
blah blah blah...

The generations don't change. We just get older :-)

Joe Barta

"Joe Barta" wrote

The generations don't change. We just get older :-)

Like hell ... Jump on any freeway and observe the result of increasing
numbers passing on the stupid gene.

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I agree with that idea, but like many I have trouble telling when I've
reached it. It has gotten easier as I've gotten older and more patient. I
also work for shorter time frames because of medical reasons and often when
I pick a project back up I can see it needs no more work.

--
Mike
Watch for the bounce.
If ya didn't see it, ya didn't feel it.
If ya see it, it didn't go off.
Old Air Force Munitions Saying
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"mac davis" wrote in message
...
This piece is nothing special, just wanted to illustrate a point..

I think that in turning, as well as other art forms, knowing when to stop
is as
important as knowing how to make or do the work..

Could I have made the piece really, really round?
Sure.. but besides being smaller and maybe bottom heavy, I think it would
be
less interesting....

I noticed several years and a wife ago that it's very true with painters..
My ex-wife would do what I thought was a nice painting and then try to
make it
better by adding more detail, color, shadow, whatever... Usually it hurt
more
than helped...

I'm not trying to be Arch or Charlie here, just curious if anyone else had
opinions about "when to stop" or "when it's finished"..


mac

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On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 19:48:30 -0600, "Kate"
wrote:
Kate.. best I could do in a narrow hall, hope you can get an idea from it..

Care to post a photo of it?
I'd like to see it.

K.

"mac davis" wrote in message
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On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 23:48:38 GMT, Phisherman wrote:


You are right. You have to know when to stop. My most impressive
paintings were done in less than 30 minutes! When I learned to fuss
less, my talents are revealed and the results greatly improved. I
think this is true with mudding drywall.

Kind of funny that the only one of my ex's paintings that I kept was a
"mistake"...
She had tried to paint an Indian lady kneeling next to a river, and didn't
like
it.. I was walking downstairs to the shop and saw the painting and loved it,
which ****ed her off royally..
She was about 2/3 through painting the canvas white to re-use and all that
was
left was the middle.. looked like a feather floating in the sky..
I have it on the wall and folks all see something different in it...


mac

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On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 08:39:51 -0600, "Swingman" wrote:

"Joe Barta" wrote

The generations don't change. We just get older :-)

Like hell ... Jump on any freeway and observe the result of increasing
numbers passing on the stupid gene.

I agree, but I also think that what they said about US back in the day..lol


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On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 19:50:01 -0600, "Kate"
wrote:

But think how much weirder you'd look if you both had your heads tilted in the
same direction, picturing how something laying in the front yard would look
standing up..

LOL!
Hubby and I used to do that when we were working on the house. We put in a
rock garden and would go stand across the street and stare at it.
I know the neighbors thought we were 12 short of a dozen.

Luckily, we moved, now the new neighbors are kept wondering.

K.

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On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 18:42:07 -0600, "Kate"
wrote:

In my limited experience I seem to come to a point where I look at my work
very closely and ask myself if anything more will help or hurt.
Usually when I get to that point, it's time to stop - unless I find some
cleanup I need to do.

Kate

Exactly...
You have to trust your instincts, I think...

On the lathe, you have to stop the spin often an really look at it... It
doesn't
look the same in motion..

I couldn't even estimate how many times my wife and I have stood next to the
lathe with out heads tilted sideways, trying to see what a piece would look
like
standing up..
We must look pretty weird to folks driving by..... lol


mac

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"mac davis" wrote

I agree, but I also think that what they said about US back in the
day..lol

Not really. Until recently each successive generation in this country was
better educated than the last. That is statistically, and provably, no
longer the case in the US.

And while folks are, on average, and by definition, no less intelligent than
they always were, there are arguably many more of the less intelligent
holding positions in which they once would have not qualified.

As you say, "back in the day", it was a rare cashier indeed who didn't have
the ability to make change. Have you experienced what happens lately if a
cash register suddenly doesn't work?

I rest my case ...

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Finished or not, I'm with you... I like it!

Swingman wrote:

"mac davis" wrote

I agree, but I also think that what they said about US back in
the day..lol

Not really. Until recently each successive generation in this
country was better educated than the last. That is statistically,
and provably, no longer the case in the US.

And while folks are, on average, and by definition, no less
intelligent than they always were, there are arguably many more of
the less intelligent holding positions in which they once would
have not qualified.

As you say, "back in the day", it was a rare cashier indeed who
didn't have the ability to make change. Have you experienced what
happens lately if a cash register suddenly doesn't work?

I rest my case ...


No matter where I go, there is always someone available to make the
case that world is now going to ****.

Joe Barta


P.S. I'm hard pressed to remember an occasion anytime recently where a
cash register suddenly stopped working. That's a good thing then,
right? Cash registers are getting more dependable? Then again, I do
miss the good old days where the cashiers had to make change
manually... those better educated cashiers of yesteryear sometimes
made mistakes and I'd find myself with a sudden $5 or $10 windfall :-)

"Joe Barta" wrote

No matter where I go, there is always someone available to make the
case that world is now going to ****.

Could be the truth, telling you to pay attention ...



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Oh, youre right!
It's kind of surreal....
thanks for sharing :¬D

Did you make the frame? It's pretty cool!

Kate

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Swingman wrote:

"Joe Barta" wrote

No matter where I go, there is always someone available to make the
case that world is now going to ****.

Could be the truth, telling you to pay attention ...



Or could be one or two other things

On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 12:14:29 -0600, "Kate"
wrote:

Oh, youre right!
It's kind of surreal....
thanks for sharing :¬D

Did you make the frame? It's pretty cool!

Kate

Nope, but I wish I had... The damn thing cost like $250 20 years ago..

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