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This piece is nothing special, just wanted to illustrate a point..
I think that in turning, as well as other art forms, knowing when to stop is as important as knowing how to make or do the work.. Could I have made the piece really, really round? Sure.. but besides being smaller and maybe bottom heavy, I think it would be less interesting.... I noticed several years and a wife ago that it's very true with painters.. My ex-wife would do what I thought was a nice painting and then try to make it better by adding more detail, color, shadow, whatever... Usually it hurt more than helped... I'm not trying to be Arch or Charlie here, just curious if anyone else had opinions about "when to stop" or "when it's finished".. mac Please remove splinters before emailing |
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On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 15:18:43 -0800, mac davis
wrote: This piece is nothing special, just wanted to illustrate a point.. I think that in turning, as well as other art forms, knowing when to stop is as important as knowing how to make or do the work.. Could I have made the piece really, really round? Sure.. but besides being smaller and maybe bottom heavy, I think it would be less interesting.... I noticed several years and a wife ago that it's very true with painters.. My ex-wife would do what I thought was a nice painting and then try to make it better by adding more detail, color, shadow, whatever... Usually it hurt more than helped... I'm not trying to be Arch or Charlie here, just curious if anyone else had opinions about "when to stop" or "when it's finished".. mac Please remove splinters before emailing You are right. You have to know when to stop. My most impressive paintings were done in less than 30 minutes! When I learned to fuss less, my talents are revealed and the results greatly improved. I think this is true with mudding drywall. |
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In my limited experience I seem to come to a point where I look at my work
very closely and ask myself if anything more will help or hurt. Usually when I get to that point, it's time to stop - unless I find some cleanup I need to do. Kate "mac davis" wrote in message ... This piece is nothing special, just wanted to illustrate a point.. I think that in turning, as well as other art forms, knowing when to stop is as important as knowing how to make or do the work.. Could I have made the piece really, really round? Sure.. but besides being smaller and maybe bottom heavy, I think it would be less interesting.... I noticed several years and a wife ago that it's very true with painters.. My ex-wife would do what I thought was a nice painting and then try to make it better by adding more detail, color, shadow, whatever... Usually it hurt more than helped... I'm not trying to be Arch or Charlie here, just curious if anyone else had opinions about "when to stop" or "when it's finished".. mac Please remove splinters before emailing |
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On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 23:48:38 GMT, Phisherman wrote:
You are right. You have to know when to stop. My most impressive paintings were done in less than 30 minutes! When I learned to fuss less, my talents are revealed and the results greatly improved. I think this is true with mudding drywall. Kind of funny that the only one of my ex's paintings that I kept was a "mistake"... She had tried to paint an Indian lady kneeling next to a river, and didn't like it.. I was walking downstairs to the shop and saw the painting and loved it, which ****ed her off royally.. She was about 2/3 through painting the canvas white to re-use and all that was left was the middle.. looked like a feather floating in the sky.. I have it on the wall and folks all see something different in it... mac Please remove splinters before emailing |
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On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 18:42:07 -0600, "Kate"
wrote: In my limited experience I seem to come to a point where I look at my work very closely and ask myself if anything more will help or hurt. Usually when I get to that point, it's time to stop - unless I find some cleanup I need to do. Kate Exactly... You have to trust your instincts, I think... On the lathe, you have to stop the spin often an really look at it... It doesn't look the same in motion.. I couldn't even estimate how many times my wife and I have stood next to the lathe with out heads tilted sideways, trying to see what a piece would look like standing up.. We must look pretty weird to folks driving by..... lol mac Please remove splinters before emailing |
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Care to post a photo of it?
I'd like to see it. K. "mac davis" wrote in message ... On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 23:48:38 GMT, Phisherman wrote: You are right. You have to know when to stop. My most impressive paintings were done in less than 30 minutes! When I learned to fuss less, my talents are revealed and the results greatly improved. I think this is true with mudding drywall. Kind of funny that the only one of my ex's paintings that I kept was a "mistake"... She had tried to paint an Indian lady kneeling next to a river, and didn't like it.. I was walking downstairs to the shop and saw the painting and loved it, which ****ed her off royally.. She was about 2/3 through painting the canvas white to re-use and all that was left was the middle.. looked like a feather floating in the sky.. I have it on the wall and folks all see something different in it... mac Please remove splinters before emailing |
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LOL!
Hubby and I used to do that when we were working on the house. We put in a rock garden and would go stand across the street and stare at it. I know the neighbors thought we were 12 short of a dozen. Luckily, we moved, now the new neighbors are kept wondering. K. "mac davis" wrote in message ... On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 18:42:07 -0600, "Kate" wrote: In my limited experience I seem to come to a point where I look at my work very closely and ask myself if anything more will help or hurt. Usually when I get to that point, it's time to stop - unless I find some cleanup I need to do. Kate Exactly... You have to trust your instincts, I think... On the lathe, you have to stop the spin often an really look at it... It doesn't look the same in motion.. I couldn't even estimate how many times my wife and I have stood next to the lathe with out heads tilted sideways, trying to see what a piece would look like standing up.. We must look pretty weird to folks driving by..... lol mac Please remove splinters before emailing |
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"mac davis" wrote
I think that in turning, as well as other art forms, knowing when to stop is as important as knowing how to make or do the work.. As in musical performance, the phenomenon that the 'pursuit of perfection' of the performer often rips out the 'heart and soul' of a piece. And therein lies the reason for the artificial "beauty mark" applied to the faces of the great beauties of yore ... a manifestation/tribute to the beauty inherent in human imperfection ... a concept much too subtle to be appreciated by the idiocracy of the MTV generation. Nice to know that others can still appreciate that less is often better ... and that the space between the notes is often more important than the notes themselves. -- www.e-woodshop.net Last update: 12/14/07 KarlC@ (the obvious) |
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mac davis wrote in
: I'm not trying to be Arch or Charlie here, just curious if anyone else had opinions about "when to stop" or "when it's finished".. This is a problem that has plagued mankind. It's not just a woodworking- thing, or a painting-thing. I took creative writing classes in college and writers have the same problem. Thoreau rewrote "Walden" seven times and died before he could hack at it an eighth. In the creative process, you have some idea of what the finished "thing" should look like. Sometimes this idea changes as you work on the project. The hard thing to do is to stop, just before you reach the "done" point and re-evaluate what you're trying to accomplish, and then proceed slowly. |
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mac;
I think the question of when to stop has plagued me in both of my last two "hobbies". Specifically when to stop sanding! I used to do custom auto body work and inevitably couldn't stop sanding just a little more on that little flaw, till I had to redo the entire body panel. Now with the woodworking, I find myself never being quite satisfied with a project finish, till I have to redo the whole section!! "mac davis" wrote in message ... This piece is nothing special, just wanted to illustrate a point.. I think that in turning, as well as other art forms, knowing when to stop is as important as knowing how to make or do the work.. Could I have made the piece really, really round? Sure.. but besides being smaller and maybe bottom heavy, I think it would be less interesting.... I noticed several years and a wife ago that it's very true with painters.. My ex-wife would do what I thought was a nice painting and then try to make it better by adding more detail, color, shadow, whatever... Usually it hurt more than helped... I'm not trying to be Arch or Charlie here, just curious if anyone else had opinions about "when to stop" or "when it's finished".. mac Please remove splinters before emailing |
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Swingman wrote:
... a concept much too subtle to be appreciated by the idiocracy of the MTV generation. Every generation believes the up and coming generation are a bunch of boneheads, and that things just "ain't the way they used to be". One hundred years ago and one hundred years from now, the old dudes bitch about the young dudes... no respect, no appreciation, spoiled, lazy... blah blah blah... The generations don't change. We just get older :-) Joe Barta |
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"Joe Barta" wrote
The generations don't change. We just get older :-) Like hell ... Jump on any freeway and observe the result of increasing numbers passing on the stupid gene. -- www.e-woodshop.net Last update: 12/14/07 KarlC@ (the obvious) |
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I agree with that idea, but like many I have trouble telling when I've
reached it. It has gotten easier as I've gotten older and more patient. I also work for shorter time frames because of medical reasons and often when I pick a project back up I can see it needs no more work. -- Mike Watch for the bounce. If ya didn't see it, ya didn't feel it. If ya see it, it didn't go off. Old Air Force Munitions Saying IYAAYAS "mac davis" wrote in message ... This piece is nothing special, just wanted to illustrate a point.. I think that in turning, as well as other art forms, knowing when to stop is as important as knowing how to make or do the work.. Could I have made the piece really, really round? Sure.. but besides being smaller and maybe bottom heavy, I think it would be less interesting.... I noticed several years and a wife ago that it's very true with painters.. My ex-wife would do what I thought was a nice painting and then try to make it better by adding more detail, color, shadow, whatever... Usually it hurt more than helped... I'm not trying to be Arch or Charlie here, just curious if anyone else had opinions about "when to stop" or "when it's finished".. mac Please remove splinters before emailing |
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On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 19:48:30 -0600, "Kate"
wrote: Kate.. best I could do in a narrow hall, hope you can get an idea from it.. Care to post a photo of it? I'd like to see it. K. "mac davis" wrote in message .. . On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 23:48:38 GMT, Phisherman wrote: You are right. You have to know when to stop. My most impressive paintings were done in less than 30 minutes! When I learned to fuss less, my talents are revealed and the results greatly improved. I think this is true with mudding drywall. Kind of funny that the only one of my ex's paintings that I kept was a "mistake"... She had tried to paint an Indian lady kneeling next to a river, and didn't like it.. I was walking downstairs to the shop and saw the painting and loved it, which ****ed her off royally.. She was about 2/3 through painting the canvas white to re-use and all that was left was the middle.. looked like a feather floating in the sky.. I have it on the wall and folks all see something different in it... mac Please remove splinters before emailing mac Please remove splinters before emailing |
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On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 08:39:51 -0600, "Swingman" wrote:
"Joe Barta" wrote The generations don't change. We just get older :-) Like hell ... Jump on any freeway and observe the result of increasing numbers passing on the stupid gene. I agree, but I also think that what they said about US back in the day..lol mac Please remove splinters before emailing |
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On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 19:50:01 -0600, "Kate"
wrote: But think how much weirder you'd look if you both had your heads tilted in the same direction, picturing how something laying in the front yard would look standing up.. LOL! Hubby and I used to do that when we were working on the house. We put in a rock garden and would go stand across the street and stare at it. I know the neighbors thought we were 12 short of a dozen. Luckily, we moved, now the new neighbors are kept wondering. K. "mac davis" wrote in message .. . On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 18:42:07 -0600, "Kate" wrote: In my limited experience I seem to come to a point where I look at my work very closely and ask myself if anything more will help or hurt. Usually when I get to that point, it's time to stop - unless I find some cleanup I need to do. Kate Exactly... You have to trust your instincts, I think... On the lathe, you have to stop the spin often an really look at it... It doesn't look the same in motion.. I couldn't even estimate how many times my wife and I have stood next to the lathe with out heads tilted sideways, trying to see what a piece would look like standing up.. We must look pretty weird to folks driving by..... lol mac Please remove splinters before emailing mac Please remove splinters before emailing |
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"mac davis" wrote
I agree, but I also think that what they said about US back in the day..lol Not really. Until recently each successive generation in this country was better educated than the last. That is statistically, and provably, no longer the case in the US. And while folks are, on average, and by definition, no less intelligent than they always were, there are arguably many more of the less intelligent holding positions in which they once would have not qualified. As you say, "back in the day", it was a rare cashier indeed who didn't have the ability to make change. Have you experienced what happens lately if a cash register suddenly doesn't work? I rest my case ... :) -- www.e-woodshop.net Last update: 12/14/07 KarlC@ (the obvious) |
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Finished or not, I'm with you... I like it!
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Swingman wrote:
"mac davis" wrote I agree, but I also think that what they said about US back in the day..lol Not really. Until recently each successive generation in this country was better educated than the last. That is statistically, and provably, no longer the case in the US. And while folks are, on average, and by definition, no less intelligent than they always were, there are arguably many more of the less intelligent holding positions in which they once would have not qualified. As you say, "back in the day", it was a rare cashier indeed who didn't have the ability to make change. Have you experienced what happens lately if a cash register suddenly doesn't work? I rest my case ... :) No matter where I go, there is always someone available to make the case that world is now going to ****. Joe Barta P.S. I'm hard pressed to remember an occasion anytime recently where a cash register suddenly stopped working. That's a good thing then, right? Cash registers are getting more dependable? Then again, I do miss the good old days where the cashiers had to make change manually... those better educated cashiers of yesteryear sometimes made mistakes and I'd find myself with a sudden $5 or $10 windfall :-) |
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"Joe Barta" wrote
No matter where I go, there is always someone available to make the case that world is now going to ****. Could be the truth, telling you to pay attention ... :) -- www.e-woodshop.net Last update: 12/14/07 KarlC@ (the obvious) |
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Oh, youre right!
It's kind of surreal.... thanks for sharing :ŹD Did you make the frame? It's pretty cool! Kate "mac davis" wrote in message ... |
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Swingman wrote:
"Joe Barta" wrote No matter where I go, there is always someone available to make the case that world is now going to ****. Could be the truth, telling you to pay attention ... :) Or could be one or two other things :) |
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On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 12:14:29 -0600, "Kate"
wrote: Oh, youre right! It's kind of surreal.... thanks for sharing :ŹD Did you make the frame? It's pretty cool! Kate Nope, but I wish I had... The damn thing cost like $250 20 years ago.. "mac davis" wrote in message .. . mac Please remove splinters before emailing |
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