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On Fri, 24 Jan 2020 09:35:18 +0000, alan_m
wrote: On 22/01/2020 12:30, T i m wrote: p.s. Since I saw it mentioned here, we care saving crisp / snack packets as I believe Walkers will take them is 5kg batches. We are looking for a good way to store them as they can take up a bit of room unless compressed somehow (and we don't want to knot them up as I'm not sure how they re-process them). Can they recycle them? Apparently, yes. Haven't they just been shamed providing one use packaging and as a PR exercise they are now accepting the packaging back for disposal to landfill or incineration? Apparently no. What is it with you fanatic brexiteers and your cognitive bias issues? Cheers, T i m |
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On Fri, 24 Jan 2020 09:58:25 +0000, alan_m
wrote: On 22/01/2020 13:22, Chris Hogg wrote: And incinerate in a waste-to-electricity plant. One of the project fear Brexit stories was that after we left the EU that we would be buried under a mountain of plastic waste that couldn't be recycled because without a trade deal we would no longer be able to export it to Scandinavia where it's currently been used to generate power in a purpose build incinerator. Cite? Chances are this is just more fanatic Brexiteer made up BS and FUD. Cheers, T i m |
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Ian Jackson wrote:
In message , "Brian Gaff (Sofa)" writes With talk of pollution and microplastic, I see paint degenerate particularly outside, surly much of it is in microscopic flakes and this has been going on for years. Brian Actually, where do many things go? Rocks become stones, which become pebbles, which become sand, which becomes microscopic sandy dust and the inorganic component of soil. How does this differ from the harmful microscopic grains of degenerated plastic - and, presumably, paint? I wish Lush would stop putting bits of sparkly plastic in their bath bombs. They get everywhere when my missus uses them. She doesn't actually buy them, but some people think they make a nice present. |
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On 24/01/2020 10:30, T i m wrote:
Then that depends on the overall footprint of each. eg, It could well be that the 'fake milk' requires a faction of the space to produce (compared with cows milk), a fraction of the water and actually produces far less of the worst greenhouse gasses (methane V CO2), then we may all still be better off overall (and no cow hormones in fake milk for example). https://www.alpro.com/uk/products/dr.../oat-original/ How can they claim no added sugars when one of their products is labelled unsweetened? Factor in the destruction of the soil structure by constantly growing crops. Leaving the ground fallow and growing grass for a couple of years and then using grazing animals for maintenance during this time may be beneficial for the country. It may be impractical to plant crops when the whole of the countryside is full of wind and solar farms. -- mailto : news {at} admac {dot} myzen {dot} co {dot} uk |
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On Thursday, 23 January 2020 14:42:54 UTC, charles wrote:
In article , whisky-dave wrote: On Wednesday, 22 January 2020 21:10:32 UTC, Rod Speed wrote: "whisky-dave" wrote in message ... I'm also cutting down on my meat intake Why ? After a friend that loved his meat, always ate large amounts died of bowel cancer in his 40s.... His wife used to tell he he used to read a chapter of a book or listen to a few songs while taking a crap.... and that I've never really been a fan of steaks, and chops didn't like the fatty or chewy bits even as a kid, and the cruelty in obtaining some of these meats, and the effect of large aminal populations sustained for food, and the methane they produce. And of cours ethe size of fat americans and how they like their meat. I saw a coup,e on the tube that had difficulty seating on a single seat !. I just decided to cut down. Luckily I found a few things that are veggie that I genuinely like and prefer to the meat versions. Red pepper and feta cheese rolls :-) https://www.higgidy.co.uk/product/wo...veggie-rolls-0 trouble is I can eat a box of the above with, either garlic mayo or beetroot ketchup and a cup of tea at midnight before going to bed. I doubt this practice is exaclty healthy but you only live once or so some say. Cats have 9 lives Only the cats used for whipping sailors, as the whips had 9 tails. Not that I know much about whipping sailors that's a differnt type of DIY :-) -- from KT24 in Surrey, England "I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle |
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On Thursday, 23 January 2020 18:06:24 UTC, Rod Speed wrote:
whisky-dave wrote Rod Speed wrote whisky-dave wrote I'm also cutting down on my meat intake Why ? After a friend that loved his meat, always ate large amounts died of bowel cancer in his 40s.... Thats mad unless you also ate large amounts of meat. So you confirm that meat is the cause ? He was also a motor cycle courier, so spent a lot of time on his arse on a motor bike 10 hours or so a day. His wife used to tell he he used to read a chapter of a book or listen to a few songs while taking a crap.... Not surprising that bowel cancer can have downsides. The NHS sends out tests as there are early warning signs. There must be a reason. and that I've never really been a fan of steaks, Its just one type of meat. Yes I know. But is it the meat or the chemicals used in the mass processing of that meat, which can cause other cancers. and chops didn't like the fatty or chewy bits even as a kid, Ditto. and the cruelty in obtaining some of these meats, So eat the meat that doesnt involve any cruelty. Difficult to find out, unless you visit the slaughter house or farm. Even more difficult in large cities like London. Or yuo trust the suppliers, but if teh supliers can;t tell a horse from a cow .... and the effect of large aminal populations sustained for food, and the methane they produce. Climate has changed much more due to other factors. No not according to the lasted news and research. It's not just methane which is far worse than CO2 it's the urine getting back into the water system, and then the transportation. And of cours ethe size of fat americans and how they like their meat. No reason why anyone has to pig out like they do. True, but it's getting similar here, when you see the state of the arses waddling out of burger and fast food outlets. I see kids at lunchtime filling themselves up with KFC etc... I never did that and can't work out how they can afford it either. Although a wing and chips for a quid isn't bad I guess. I saw a coup,e on the tube that had difficulty seating on a single seat !. Mate of mine was like that. But it wasnt due to the meat he ate. There can be many reasons but when it's a 10 year-old kids I think there might be a connection between eating and fatness. They can't all use the excuse they are training to be sumo wrestlers or rap stars. Anoher fact is that during WWII due to rationing the UK city populations were healtheir than they are today, apart from being killed by bombs that is. I just decided to cut down. Mad. Logical. Luckily I found a few things that are veggie that I genuinely like and prefer to the meat versions. I havent found anything much. Toasted cheese on toast is about it and I havent had that for about a decade now. Why not, I have cheese and vegan ham tosted sandwhiches, I don't miss the 'real' ham other than not having to spit out the bits of solid fat or bone. Just bought some cheese yesterday but havent eaten any of it yet and dont plan to eat it that often. I like various cheeses, there;s loads of choice in most supermarkets here. Brie is nice with cranberry sauce and I like chedder with beetroot ketchup. But swap them over and it just tatses weird. I like whisky & cock but not whisky and orange like a friend likes. The only time I lioke Jack daniels is with coke, I can't drink it neat. But other whiskies (scotch) I don't like with coke. But if bought for me I'll drink it, but I won't buy it. Red pepper and feta cheese rolls :-) https://www.higgidy.co.uk/product/wo...veggie-rolls-0 I do eat one version of Gozleme which has no meat but alternate it with the other that does, from Aldi. Then aldi version of the Red pepper and feta cheese rolls is horrible, sure 35% cheaper but so bad I had to throw them away I could eat them. trouble is I can eat a box of the above with, either garlic mayo or beetroot ketchup and a cup of tea at midnight before going to bed. Thats why you are as fat as the worst yanks. I'm not fat but have put on about 2KG since May 2019. but this month lost 0.3KG according to this my BMI is 24.5 https://www.nhs.uk/live-well/healthy...mi-calculator/ |
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On 24/01/2020 10:30, T i m wrote: Then that depends on the overall footprint of each. eg, It could well be that the 'fake milk' requires a faction of the space to produce (compared with cows milk), a fraction of the water and actually produces far less of the worst greenhouse gasses (methane V CO2), then we may all still be better off overall (and no cow hormones in fake milk for example). https://www.alpro.com/uk/products/dr.../oat-original/ How can they claim no added sugars when one of their products is labelled unsweetened? Because they use apple juice in the sweetened ones instead of solid suger. You may feel this is sophistry. Factor in the destruction of the soil structure by constantly growing crops. Leaving the ground fallow and growing grass for a couple of years and then using grazing animals for maintenance during this time may be beneficial for the country. It may be impractical to plant crops when the whole of the countryside is full of wind and solar farms. -- Roger Hayter |
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On Friday, 24 January 2020 12:42:09 UTC, alan_m wrote:
On 24/01/2020 00:17, wrote: spring, mineral or soft drinks. Didn't one manufacturer (Pepsi/Coke?) try marketing Peckham spring water. No that was derek trotter OFAH. They did try to sell london water as spring water. cats normally prefer cold water, but they often don't like the chlorination in tapwater. Just let it stand for a while or put a jug of tap water in the fridge for 12 hours. The chlorine easily boils off. Alternatively get a jug with a activated carbon filter. I know and in these so called blind test of tap water V mineral they never take the tap water straight from the tap. Tap water is fine is chilled left to stand and filtered in one of those jug thing. I can see the differnce when I make tea, so it must taste differnt too. |
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On Fri, 24 Jan 2020 12:21:17 +0000, alan_m
wrote: On 24/01/2020 10:30, T i m wrote: Then that depends on the overall footprint of each. eg, It could well be that the 'fake milk' requires a faction of the space to produce (compared with cows milk), a fraction of the water and actually produces far less of the worst greenhouse gasses (methane V CO2), then we may all still be better off overall (and no cow hormones in fake milk for example). https://www.alpro.com/uk/products/dr.../oat-original/ How can they claim no added sugars when one of their products is labelled unsweetened? You aren't very bright are you? "* contains naturally occurring sugars" Do you think they *add* lactose to cows milk? (And they let these people vote ... rolls eyes). ;-( Factor in the destruction of the soil structure by constantly growing crops. Of course. Leaving the ground fallow and growing grass for a couple of years and then using grazing animals for maintenance during this time may be beneficial for the country. But it may not, if grazing animals (even if also for milk or meat production) takes up say 20x the land in the first place and produce loads more methane (than say a combine harvester produces CO2). It may be impractical to plant crops when the whole of the countryside is full of wind Makes no difference. and solar farms. Whilst they are planting crops under solar farms (agrivoltaics), solar farms may be better positioned on land that may not be idea for growing crops in the first place (inaccessible by big machines, rocky, dry or contaminated). Cheers, T i m |
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On Fri, 24 Jan 2020 12:29:26 +0000, alan_m
wrote: On 24/01/2020 00:05, wrote: afaik they aren't recyclable. They're plastic & ali & grease, plus who knows what in the odd one. But according to one green campaigner on TV a few months back you are meant to wash them out using hot water and detergent! More CO2 to recycle than to manufacture and distribute in the first place. Nope, the recyclers do that as part of the recycling process ... and it may be one form of pollution / energy use is 'better' than another. Cheers, T i m |
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On 24/01/2020 13:40, T i m wrote:
On Fri, 24 Jan 2020 12:21:17 +0000, alan_m wrote: How can they claim no added sugars when one of their products is labelled unsweetened? You aren't very bright are you? "* contains naturally occurring sugars" So why the label unsweetened on one carton and not the other two? Naturally occurring sugar added to two products and not the other? You do seem to be lacking some knowledge about how food labelling works. Call sugar something else and add a label saying no added sugar. -- mailto : news {at} admac {dot} myzen {dot} co {dot} uk |
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On Friday, 24 January 2020 12:29:28 UTC, alan_m wrote:
On 24/01/2020 00:05, tabbypurr wrote: afaik they aren't recyclable. They're plastic & ali & grease, plus who knows what in the odd one. But according to one green campaigner on TV a few months back you are meant to wash them out using hot water and detergent! More CO2 to recycle than to manufacture and distribute in the first place. more importantly an entirely insane waste of people's time. |
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On Friday, 24 January 2020 13:24:55 UTC, whisky-dave wrote:
On Thursday, 23 January 2020 18:06:24 UTC, Rod Speed wrote: whisky-dave wrote Anoher fact is that during WWII due to rationing the UK city populations were healtheir than they are today, apart from being killed by bombs that is. Myth. They were on average healthier than in 39, but we live a good bit longer today than in the 40s. I like whisky & cock I think I've read enough. |
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On Fri, 24 Jan 2020 14:30:20 +0000, alan_m
wrote: On 24/01/2020 13:40, T i m wrote: On Fri, 24 Jan 2020 12:21:17 +0000, alan_m wrote: How can they claim no added sugars when one of their products is labelled unsweetened? You aren't very bright are you? "* contains naturally occurring sugars" So why the label unsweetened on one carton and not the other two? Oh, you really are thick, or just trolling? Naturally occurring sugar added to two products and not the other? It's not *added* is it you nutjob, it's there already! (FFS!). You do seem to be lacking some knowledge about how food labelling works. Call sugar something else and add a label saying no added sugar. Oh dear oh dear. Back to your cognitive bias problem again? ;-( https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dic...sh/unsweetened "unsweetened: with no sugar or other sweet substances added:" How difficult life must be (or easy as they are always right irrespective of how much the facts contradict them) for the left brainers ... ;-( That means no ADDITIONAL sugars have been added (in any form). Sheesh ... and they let these people vote ... ;-( Cheers, T i m |
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On Friday, 24 January 2020 15:22:42 UTC, wrote:
On Friday, 24 January 2020 13:24:55 UTC, whisky-dave wrote: On Thursday, 23 January 2020 18:06:24 UTC, Rod Speed wrote: whisky-dave wrote Anoher fact is that during WWII due to rationing the UK city populations were healtheir than they are today, apart from being killed by bombs that is. Myth. They were on average healthier than in 39, but we live a good bit longer today than in the 40s. That's because of the NHS and other things such as H&S NOT health. People rarely die in the construction industry now or in mining or fishing. |
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Rod Speed wrote whisky-dave wrote Rod Speed wrote whisky-dave wrote I'm also cutting down on my meat intake Why ? After a friend that loved his meat, always ate large amounts died of bowel cancer in his 40s.... Thats mad unless you also ate large amounts of meat. So you confirm that meat is the cause ? No I dont. Its much more likely to be a genetic problem with cancer at that age. Happened to a mate of mine too, also died of cancer at that age. Turned out that his brother had died of it as a young child and his dad died of cancer too. He was also a motor cycle courier, so spent a lot of time on his arse on a motor bike 10 hours or so a day. And breathed lots of car fumes too. His wife used to tell he he used to read a chapter of a book or listen to a few songs while taking a crap.... Not surprising that bowel cancer can have downsides. The NHS sends out tests Not to people of that age they dont. as there are early warning signs. There must be a reason. But no evidence that its a lifestyle cause with cancer at that age. and that I've never really been a fan of steaks, Its just one type of meat. Yes I know. But is it the meat or the chemicals used in the mass processing of that meat, which can cause other cancers. There is no mass processing of meat like steaks. and chops didn't like the fatty or chewy bits even as a kid, Ditto. and the cruelty in obtaining some of these meats, So eat the meat that doesnt involve any cruelty. Difficult to find out, unless you visit the slaughter house or farm. Nope, plenty of the 'animal rights' fools do that all the time. Even more difficult in large cities like London. But easy enough to get your meat from sources that go out of their way to eliminate any cruelty with the animals they supply for you to eat. In fact much easier in London because there is a much bigger market for meat like that there. Or yuo trust the suppliers, but if teh supliers can;t tell a horse from a cow .... The best of the specialist meat suppliers know that there is no possibility of any horses ever having been in their sources of meat. and the effect of large aminal populations sustained for food, and the methane they produce. Climate has changed much more due to other factors. No not according to the lasted news and research. Thats bull**** with the ice ages alone. It's not just methane which is far worse than CO2 it's the urine getting back into the water system, Trivial to only eat meat from a source where that doesnt happen. and then the transportation. Ditto, trivial to only eat meat which is transported after its dead. And of cours ethe size of fat americans and how they like their meat. No reason why anyone has to pig out like they do. True, but it's getting similar here, when you see the state of the arses waddling out of burger and fast food outlets. Doesnt mean that you have to pig out like that yourself. I see kids at lunchtime filling themselves up with KFC etc... Ditto. I never did that and can't work out how they can afford it either. They can afford it because its very cheap food now and living standards are much better than when you were a kid. Although a wing and chips for a quid isn't bad I guess. Yep, thats the reason, its very cheap now in real terms. I saw a coup,e on the tube that had difficulty seating on a single seat !. Mate of mine was like that. But it wasnt due to the meat he ate. There can be many reasons There is just one reason, shovelling far more calories into your mouth every day than you burn. In his case it was high calorie stuff like cream puffs and **** like that. He was part of the group that used to migrate to a camping ground in out far north every winter in their RVs and spend the winter playing gin rummy and getting ****ed and swatting sand flys and midges. They used to migrate in convoy every year and stop for tea and coffee in towns along the way. The trip takes days each way. He used to make a bee line for the cake shop in each town, buy dozens of cream puffs and when few of the others ate any, scoff the lot every time. He had always been by far the most obese person I had ever known although I have seen more morbidly obese people in docos, usually yanks. He always revelled in the name Huge. Very big bloke, quite apart from being morbidly obese. One time he managed to fall back behind his bed and it took 10 of the ambos and SES people to get him back on his feet. And he needed a special massive great ambulance from Sydney every time he needed an ambulance. but when it's a 10 year-old kids I think there might be a connection between eating and fatness. Corse there is, but it isnt eating meat. Its calories that matter. They can't all use the excuse they are training to be sumo wrestlers or rap stars. Anoher fact is that during WWII due to rationing the UK city populations were healtheir than they are today, apart from being killed by bombs that is. Yep, but that wasnt due to eating less meat. I just decided to cut down. Mad. Logical. Not when there is no evidence that bowel cancer in a 40 year old is due to the amount of meat he ate. Luckily I found a few things that are veggie that I genuinely like and prefer to the meat versions. I havent found anything much. Toasted cheese on toast is about it and I havent had that for about a decade now. Why not, Doesnt appeal to me as much as a roast leg of lamb, steak etc. I have cheese and vegan ham tosted sandwhiches, I dont have a cooked breakfast, just a ****ing great slab of my multigrain toast and my marmalade. No lunch at all, just a couple of nectarines at most in the nectarine season and that only lasts a couple of months. Thats the main reason I dont eat much of that type of food, just proper dinners most days. I don't miss the 'real' ham other than not having to spit out the bits of solid fat or bone. I would. I have a massive great open sandwich for the main meal on the days I make the new loaf of bread in the bread machine and that is every 4 days. I have some form of meat on that, usually usually a few slices of cold roast lamb or hot salami, with my own relish and lettuce. Had one last night, real leg lamb from the deli for a bit of variety, no fat or bone. With a big slice of cheese from the deli and the hot chutney from South Africa that Aldi does as a special buy a couple of times a year. Just bought some cheese yesterday but havent eaten any of it yet and dont plan to eat it that often. I like various cheeses, there;s loads of choice in most supermarkets here. Same here, dozens of them. Brie is nice Yeah I got some camembert at the same time. with cranberry sauce I prefer mine with just a biscuit, Not a main meal tho. and I like chedder with beetroot ketchup. Never been at all keen on beetroot. I always remove it from burgers and dont add it to the burgers I make. But swap them over and it just tatses weird. I like whisky & cock but not whisky and orange like a friend likes. I have mine neat, no ice or water or anything added. The only time I lioke Jack daniels is with coke, I dont ever drink mixed drinks except G&T I can't drink it neat. I can but prefer scotch by far. Or Irish whisky like Tullamore Dew, But other whiskies (scotch) I don't like with coke. I never add anything to scotch. But if bought for me I'll drink it, but I won't buy it. I almost never drink in pubs etc. Red pepper and feta cheese rolls :-) https://www.higgidy.co.uk/product/wo...veggie-rolls-0 I do eat one version of Gozleme which has no meat but alternate it with the other that does, from Aldi. Then aldi version of the Red pepper and feta cheese rolls is horrible, Yeah they vary, some are good, some arent. Just watch the doco on Aldi where some posh woman had a flash dinner for her posh friends. She claimed to them that some was from Aldi and some wasnt and got them to pick which was from Aldi. In fact it was all from Aldi and they were amazed at the stuff they did like. sure 35% cheaper but so bad I had to throw them away I could eat them. Never had that myself. Some like their drumstick equivalent is quite edible but I prefer the real thing. http://www.peters.com.au/brands/drumstick/ Their frozen peas and corn is fine but they only sell it in two separate packs, I prefer to be lazy and use the birdseye mix. Out supermarkets regularly do half priced specials so I have a full roll out drawer in the massive great vertical frost free freezer full of it and its only marginally more expensive than from aldi that way. http://birdseye.com.au/our-range/fro...-capsicum-500g trouble is I can eat a box of the above with, either garlic mayo or beetroot ketchup and a cup of tea at midnight before going to bed. Thats why you are as fat as the worst yanks. I'm not fat but have put on about 2KG since May 2019. but this month lost 0.3KG according to this my BMI is 24.5 https://www.nhs.uk/live-well/healthy...mi-calculator/ I'm always in the ideal BMI range. |
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"alan_m" wrote in message ... On 22/01/2020 13:22, Chris Hogg wrote: And incinerate in a waste-to-electricity plant. One of the project fear Brexit stories was that after we left the EU that we would be buried under a mountain of plastic waste that couldn't be recycled because without a trade deal we would no longer be able to export it to Scandinavia where it's currently been used to generate power in a purpose build incinerator. But it makes much more sense to have your own purpose built incinerators in the UK and avoid the stupid cost of carting it to scandinavia. |
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On Friday, 24 January 2020 17:01:53 UTC, T i m wrote:
On Fri, 24 Jan 2020 07:18:07 -0800 (PST), tabbypurr wrote: On Friday, 24 January 2020 12:29:28 UTC, alan_m wrote: On 24/01/2020 00:05, tabbypurr wrote: afaik they aren't recyclable. They're plastic & ali & grease, plus who knows what in the odd one. But according to one green campaigner on TV a few months back you are meant to wash them out using hot water and detergent! More CO2 to recycle than to manufacture and distribute in the first place. more importantly an entirely insane waste of people's time. Assuming it is as he said, and of course it isn't. It seems to be disconnection between things that get's people confused. Like, if you buy a bag of crisps you are (or should be) taking responsibility for it, including how you dispose of it. sure If there is a facility that disposes of it in a less environmentally damaging way, then you should make reasonable efforts to do that. reasonable is the key word there. A crisp packet is of such low value that spending time washing them is entirely unreasonable. Burying them in landfill is not damaging, dropping them on the beach is. You chose to buy / take / eat it, you then have to dispose of it properly. Now, if you can't engineer it to say drop a wodge of crisp packets into a local drop off point, as part of your normal journey then maybe you shouldn't buy them in the first place. complete nonsequitur. You're virtue-fying something of near zero value. If everyone took crisp packets to a dedicated recycler the world would be worse off, not better. Time energy & money would have been misspent achieving a purely trivial benefit. The various governments are now making manufacturers factor the efficient disposal / recycling into their products and some are obliged to accept products back when we have finished with them (a feature we have already paid for of course). See, for too long (since we were all generally well off) we have been buying stuff with no regard what will happen to it when we are finished with it and many have been happy to just 'throw stuff away' when often there isn't such a place. So that means stuff has to be stored (tyres / fridges), burned or buried in a hole in the ground, all of which have come back to haunt us. very little needs to be stored, nuclear waste is the main example. But even what little of that I produce doesn't need storing. Burned & buried is not haunting us. What would be better is to not buy the thing in the first place, repair it if it goes wrong, re-purpose it into something else / useful or recycle it in it's core components (so it can be recycled more efficiently). In many cases sure. Also in many cases not. Society is grossly wasteful, but many things really are not worth repairing, repurposing etc. And we can consider how recyclable a single use container might be when we buy something. Like, you can buy dog food dried in bulk, wet in tins or wet in plastic pouches. From a quantity and recyclability POV, the plastic pouches are worse than the tins and large paper sacks. Cheers, T i m It's not inherently wrong to bury waste. In many cases it's currently our best option. Foiled plastic pouches use far less material per 4 pouches than 1 metal tin. And there are other differences that far outweigh that issue. I'm all for better handling of the waste stream, I think what we do now is lousy, but so many people prioritise trivial waste matters far above their real worth, and that is a pointless cost, not a virtue. It is so easy to increase recycling rate that with all the talk about it I have to wonder exactly why it's not being done. Does someone have zero brains, or does no-one even care? NT |
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On 24/01/2020 18:09, wrote:
It is so easy to increase recycling rate that with all the talk about it I have to wonder exactly why it's not being done. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zkj7gZmuuhU Too many rules about what can and what cannot be recycled. My local council has one colour sack for general rubbish and a different coloured sack for all mixed recycling. Cardboard can be left at the side of the sacks. Friends living in a different area are required to separate different recycled products into different containers and cannot leave cardboard out that still has packing tape, plastics cannot be put into a plastic bag and have to remain individually loose in a box etc. I personally shred most junk mail and documents and compost it.Most of my cardboard waste also goes to the compost heap although I've noticed recently that after the campaign to use few plastic bags food manufactures are starting to use plastic coated cardboard which is a complete PITA to compost as the plastic film doesn't rot and has to be fished out of the final compost product. -- mailto : news {at} admac {dot} myzen {dot} co {dot} uk |
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alan_m wrote:
On 24/01/2020 13:40, T i m wrote: On Fri, 24 Jan 2020 12:21:17 +0000, alan_m wrote: How can they claim no added sugars when one of their products is labelled unsweetened? You aren't very bright are you? "* contains naturally occurring sugars" So why the label unsweetened on one carton and not the other two? Naturally occurring sugar added to two products and not the other? You do seem to be lacking some knowledge about how food labelling works. Call sugar something else and add a label saying no added sugar. Soya (or other grain such as oats) contains vey ltiile free sugar, but apple joice is added to the not-unsweetened one. Which does contain various sweet-tasting sugers. Why a purely mechanical extract of suigar cane is not "natural" is a bit of a mystery to me - especially as olive oil is obtained by a rather similar process, and is, apparently, natural. AFAiCS the only thing that is not "natural" is witchcraft. -- Roger Hayter |
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UNBELIEVABLE: It's 04:02 am in Australia and the Senile Ozzietard is out of Bed and TROLLING, already!!!! LOL
On Sat, 25 Jan 2020 04:02:52 +1100, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again: I'm always in the ideal BMI range. Your posting hours are in the clinically insane range, you clinically insane 85-year-old trolling senile asshole! 04:02!!! LOL They just can't come any dumber than you, senile Rodent! -- Website (from 2007) dedicated to the 85-year-old trolling senile cretin from Oz: https://www.pcreview.co.uk/threads/r...d-faq.2973853/ |
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UNBELIEVABLE: It's 04:47 am in Australia and the Senile Ozzietard has been out of Bed and TROLLING for almost an HOUR already!!!! LOL
On Sat, 25 Jan 2020 04:47:06 +1100, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again: FLUSH the senile Ozzie pest's latest troll**** 04:47??? LOL Yet AGAIN? -- Website (from 2007) dedicated to the 85-year-old trolling senile cretin from Oz: https://www.pcreview.co.uk/threads/r...d-faq.2973853/ |
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UNBELIEVABLE: It's 05:07 am in Australia and the Senile Ozzietard has been out of Bed and TROLLING for OVER AN HOUR already!!!! LOL
On Sat, 25 Jan 2020 05:07:40 +1100, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again: FLUSH senile troll's latest troll**** 05:07 already? AGAIN, another long sleepless night of your senile trolling, senile asshole? -- Website (from 2007) dedicated to the 85-year-old trolling senile cretin from Oz: https://www.pcreview.co.uk/threads/r...d-faq.2973853/ |
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wrote in message ... On Friday, 24 January 2020 13:24:55 UTC, whisky-dave wrote: On Thursday, 23 January 2020 18:06:24 UTC, Rod Speed wrote: whisky-dave wrote Anoher fact is that during WWII due to rationing the UK city populations were healtheir than they are today, apart from being killed by bombs that is. Myth. Nope, fact. They were on average healthier than in 39, So it isnt a myth. but we live a good bit longer today than in the 40s. Irrelevant to whether rationing during WW2 did see everyone eat considerably more healthily during that tine. And also got more exercise growing their own food with plenty of them too. but we live a good bit longer today than in the 40s. For other reasons like antibiotics, vaccination, control of infectious disease and much better medical treatment of stuff like heart attacks and strokes, not due to diet. |
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UNBELIEVABLE: It's 07:03 am in Australia and the Senile Ozzietard has been out of Bed and TROLLING for OVER THREE HOURS already!!!! LOL
On Sat, 25 Jan 2020 07:03:21 +1100, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again: FLUSH the abnormal senile Arsetralian's latest troll**** 07:03??? So, you've been up and trolling for THREE HOURS already, yet AGAIN! You still want to claim that you are NOT a clinically insane abnormal senile cretin who can't sleep because NOBODY in real life talks to you because of your psychotic cantankerousness? LOL -- Website (from 2007) dedicated to the 85-year-old trolling senile cretin from Oz: https://www.pcreview.co.uk/threads/r...d-faq.2973853/ |
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"Roger Hayter" wrote in message ... alan_m wrote: On 24/01/2020 13:40, T i m wrote: On Fri, 24 Jan 2020 12:21:17 +0000, alan_m wrote: How can they claim no added sugars when one of their products is labelled unsweetened? You aren't very bright are you? "* contains naturally occurring sugars" So why the label unsweetened on one carton and not the other two? Naturally occurring sugar added to two products and not the other? You do seem to be lacking some knowledge about how food labelling works. Call sugar something else and add a label saying no added sugar. Soya (or other grain such as oats) contains vey ltiile free sugar, but apple joice is added to the not-unsweetened one. Which does contain various sweet-tasting sugers. Why a purely mechanical extract of suigar cane is not "natural" is a bit of a mystery to me Yep. - especially as olive oil is obtained by a rather similar process, and is, apparently, natural. AFAiCS the only thing that is not "natural" is witchcraft. But its hard to claim that whats done to produce reasonably spreadable margarine is particularly natural. |
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Tim Streater wrote:
In article , Ray wrote: "Roger Hayter" wrote in message ... alan_m wrote: On 24/01/2020 13:40, T i m wrote: On Fri, 24 Jan 2020 12:21:17 +0000, alan_m wrote: How can they claim no added sugars when one of their products is labelled unsweetened? You aren't very bright are you? "* contains naturally occurring sugars" So why the label unsweetened on one carton and not the other two? Naturally occurring sugar added to two products and not the other? You do seem to be lacking some knowledge about how food labelling works. Call sugar something else and add a label saying no added sugar. Soya (or other grain such as oats) contains vey ltiile free sugar, but apple joice is added to the not-unsweetened one. Which does contain various sweet-tasting sugers. Why a purely mechanical extract of suigar cane is not "natural" is a bit of a mystery to me Yep. - especially as olive oil is obtained by a rather similar process, and is, apparently, natural. AFAiCS the only thing that is not "natural" is witchcraft. But its hard to claim that whats done to produce reasonably spreadable margarine is particularly natural. You could say that about butter if you were so inclined. Take cream, shake, add salt. Pretty sure thats a long way off margarine production. Tim -- Please don't feed the trolls |
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"Tim Streater" wrote in message .. . In article , Ray wrote: "Roger Hayter" wrote in message . .. alan_m wrote: On 24/01/2020 13:40, T i m wrote: On Fri, 24 Jan 2020 12:21:17 +0000, alan_m wrote: How can they claim no added sugars when one of their products is labelled unsweetened? You aren't very bright are you? "* contains naturally occurring sugars" So why the label unsweetened on one carton and not the other two? Naturally occurring sugar added to two products and not the other? You do seem to be lacking some knowledge about how food labelling works. Call sugar something else and add a label saying no added sugar. Soya (or other grain such as oats) contains vey ltiile free sugar, but apple joice is added to the not-unsweetened one. Which does contain various sweet-tasting sugers. Why a purely mechanical extract of suigar cane is not "natural" is a bit of a mystery to me Yep. - especially as olive oil is obtained by a rather similar process, and is, apparently, natural. AFAiCS the only thing that is not "natural" is witchcraft. But its hard to claim that whats done to produce reasonably spreadable margarine is particularly natural. You could say that about butter if you were so inclined. Hell of a stretch with traditional churning. Not even as bad as whats done with sugar cane to produce white sugar. |
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UNBELIEVABLE: It's 08:30 am in Australia and the Senile Ozzietard has been out of Bed and TROLLING for almost FOUR HOURS already!!!! LOL
On Sat, 25 Jan 2020 08:30:08 +1100, Ray, better known as cantankerous
trolling senile geezer Rodent Speed, wrote: But its hard to claim that whats done to produce reasonably spreadable margarine is particularly natural. Are you now smartassing about margarine, you clinically insane sleepless senile pest? LOL -- Marland revealing the senile sociopath's pathology: "You have mentioned Alexa in a couple of threads recently, it is not a real woman you know even if it is the only thing with a Female name that stays around around while you talk it to it. Poor sad git who has to resort to Usenet and electronic devices for any interaction as all real people run a mile to get away from from you boring them to death." MID: |
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UNBELIEVABLE: It's 09:00 am in Australia and the Senile Ozzietard has been out of Bed and TROLLING for FIVE HOURS already!!!! LOL
On Sat, 25 Jan 2020 09:00:34 +1100, better known as cantankerous
trolling senile geezer Rodent Speed, wrote: FLUSH senile cretin's troll**** 09:00 in Australia? And you STILL don't want to go to bed, you abnormal, 85-year-old, clinically insane troll? LOL -- Norman Wells addressing trolling senile Rodent: "Ah, the voice of scum speaks." MID: |
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On 24/01/2020 22:19, T i m wrote:
So the 8000 collection points across the country are all just empty are they? So far the total number of retuned crisp packets are equivalent to around 1 days worth of UK production of crisps/packets. Its very hard to find any information about how the packets are actually recycled. Lots of PR about setting up collection points, lots of PR about Walkers accepting the packets (minimum 8Kg) but follow their links to what happens to the returned packets gets to general information about recycling waste that already gets curb side collection. -- mailto : news {at} admac {dot} myzen {dot} co {dot} uk |
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"Tim Streater" wrote in message .. . In article , Tim+ wrote: Tim Streater wrote: In article , Ray wrote: "Roger Hayter" wrote in message ... alan_m wrote: On 24/01/2020 13:40, T i m wrote: On Fri, 24 Jan 2020 12:21:17 +0000, alan_m wrote: How can they claim no added sugars when one of their products is labelled unsweetened? You aren't very bright are you? "* contains naturally occurring sugars" So why the label unsweetened on one carton and not the other two? Naturally occurring sugar added to two products and not the other? You do seem to be lacking some knowledge about how food labelling works. Call sugar something else and add a label saying no added sugar. Soya (or other grain such as oats) contains vey ltiile free sugar, but apple joice is added to the not-unsweetened one. Which does contain various sweet-tasting sugers. Why a purely mechanical extract of suigar cane is not "natural" is a bit of a mystery to me Yep. - especially as olive oil is obtained by a rather similar process, and is, apparently, natural. AFAiCS the only thing that is not "natural" is witchcraft. But its hard to claim that whats done to produce reasonably spreadable margarine is particularly natural. You could say that about butter if you were so inclined. Take cream, shake, add salt. Pretty sure thats a long way off margarine production. Leave out the salt. No thanks, its much more natural than breeding cows to produce lots of milk when they arent calving and drinking what humans wouldnt naturally be consuming after about the age of 12 months or so, let alone making butter from it. |
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On Fri, 24 Jan 2020 22:44:09 +0000, alan_m
wrote: On 24/01/2020 22:19, T i m wrote: So the 8000 collection points across the country are all just empty are they? So far the total number of retuned crisp packets are equivalent to around 1 days worth of UK production of crisps/packets. So far. Its very hard to find any information about how the packets are actually recycled. You could always contact Terracycle for more information? https://www.terracycle.com/en-GB/contact-us https://www.terracycle.com/en-GB/brigades/crisppacket "Crisp multipack outer packaging is accepted. Please do not fold the crisp packets into triangles. Once collected, the crisp packets are separated by plastic type, cleaned, and extruded into plastic pellets to make new recycled products." Cheers, T i m p.s. It seems they are doing a lot more than just crisp packets (and Tetra Paks): This video gives a bit of an insight how Tetra Paks are preprocessed and the things they are turned into (in India at least from 10 years ago): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzWv...ature=youtu.be |
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UNBELIEVABLE: It's 10:12 am in Australia and the Senile Ozzietard has been out of Bed and TROLLING for OVER SIX HOURS already!!!! LOL
On Sat, 25 Jan 2020 10:12:05 +1100, Ray, better known as cantankerous
trolling senile geezer Rodent Speed, wrote: FLUSH senile asshole's troll**** 10:12 already? So, you've been up and trolling for OVER SIX HOURS, almost all night long, yet AGAIN! Can't you even TRY to hide what the matter is with you, you clinically insane trolling senile asshole? LOL -- Website (from 2007) dedicated to the 85-year-old trolling senile cretin from Oz: https://www.pcreview.co.uk/threads/r...d-faq.2973853/ |
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