whisky-dave wrote
Rod Speed wrote
whisky-dave wrote
Rod Speed wrote
whisky-dave wrote

I'm also cutting down on my meat intake

Why ?

After a friend that loved his meat, always ate
large amounts died of bowel cancer in his 40s....

Thats mad unless you also ate large amounts of meat.

So you confirm that meat is the cause ?

No I dont. Its much more likely to be a genetic
problem with cancer at that age. Happened to
a mate of mine too, also died of cancer at that
age. Turned out that his brother had died of it
as a young child and his dad died of cancer too.

He was also a motor cycle courier, so spent a lot of
time on his arse on a motor bike 10 hours or so a day.

And breathed lots of car fumes too.

His wife used to tell he he used to read a chapter of
a book or listen to a few songs while taking a crap....

Not surprising that bowel cancer can have downsides.

The NHS sends out tests

Not to people of that age they dont.

as there are early warning signs.
There must be a reason.

But no evidence that its a lifestyle
cause with cancer at that age.

and that I've never really been a fan of steaks,

Its just one type of meat.

Yes I know. But is it the meat or the chemicals used in the
mass processing of that meat, which can cause other cancers.

There is no mass processing of meat like steaks.

and chops didn't like the fatty or chewy bits even as a kid,

Ditto.

and the cruelty in obtaining some of these meats,

So eat the meat that doesnt involve any cruelty.

Difficult to find out, unless you visit the slaughter house or farm.

Nope, plenty of the 'animal rights' fools do that all the time.

Even more difficult in large cities like London.

But easy enough to get your meat from sources
that go out of their way to eliminate any cruelty
with the animals they supply for you to eat. In
fact much easier in London because there is
a much bigger market for meat like that there.

Or yuo trust the suppliers, but if teh
supliers can;t tell a horse from a cow ....

The best of the specialist meat suppliers know
that there is no possibility of any horses ever
having been in their sources of meat.

and the effect of large aminal populations sustained
for food, and the methane they produce.

Climate has changed much more due to other factors.

No not according to the lasted news and research.

Thats bull**** with the ice ages alone.

It's not just methane which is far worse than CO2
it's the urine getting back into the water system,

Trivial to only eat meat from a source where that
doesnt happen.

and then the transportation.

Ditto, trivial to only eat meat
which is transported after its dead.

And of cours ethe size of fat americans
and how they like their meat.

No reason why anyone has to pig out like they do.

True, but it's getting similar here, when
you see the state of the arses waddling
out of burger and fast food outlets.

Doesnt mean that you have to pig out like that yourself.

I see kids at lunchtime filling themselves up with KFC etc...

Ditto.

I never did that and can't work out how they can afford it either.

They can afford it because its very cheap food now and
living standards are much better than when you were a kid.

Although a wing and chips for a quid isn't bad I guess.

Yep, thats the reason, its very cheap now in real terms.

I saw a coup,e on the tube that had
difficulty seating on a single seat !.

Mate of mine was like that. But it wasnt due to the meat he ate.

There can be many reasons

There is just one reason, shovelling far more calories
into your mouth every day than you burn.

In his case it was high calorie stuff like cream puffs and
**** like that. He was part of the group that used to
migrate to a camping ground in out far north every
winter in their RVs and spend the winter playing gin rummy
and getting ****ed and swatting sand flys and midges.

They used to migrate in convoy every year and
stop for tea and coffee in towns along the way.
The trip takes days each way. He used to make
a bee line for the cake shop in each town, buy
dozens of cream puffs and when few of the
others ate any, scoff the lot every time.

He had always been by far the most obese person
I had ever known although I have seen more
morbidly obese people in docos, usually yanks.
He always revelled in the name Huge.

Very big bloke, quite apart from being morbidly
obese. One time he managed to fall back behind
his bed and it took 10 of the ambos and SES
people to get him back on his feet.

And he needed a special massive great ambulance
from Sydney every time he needed an ambulance.

but when it's a 10 year-old kids I think there might
be a connection between eating and fatness.

Corse there is, but it isnt eating meat. Its calories that matter.

They can't all use the excuse they are
training to be sumo wrestlers or rap stars.

Anoher fact is that during WWII due to rationing
the UK city populations were healtheir than they
are today, apart from being killed by bombs that is.

Yep, but that wasnt due to eating less meat.

I just decided to cut down.

Mad.

Logical.

Not when there is no evidence that bowel cancer
in a 40 year old is due to the amount of meat he ate.

Luckily I found a few things that are veggie that
I genuinely like and prefer to the meat versions.

I havent found anything much. Toasted cheese on toast
is about it and I havent had that for about a decade now.

Why not,

Doesnt appeal to me as much as a roast leg of lamb, steak etc.

I have cheese and vegan ham tosted sandwhiches,

I dont have a cooked breakfast, just a ****ing great
slab of my multigrain toast and my marmalade.

No lunch at all, just a couple of nectarines at most
in the nectarine season and that only lasts a couple
of months. Thats the main reason I dont eat much
of that type of food, just proper dinners most days.

I don't miss the 'real' ham other than not
having to spit out the bits of solid fat or bone.

I would. I have a massive great open sandwich
for the main meal on the days I make the new
loaf of bread in the bread machine and that is
every 4 days. I have some form of meat on that,
usually usually a few slices of cold roast lamb
or hot salami, with my own relish and lettuce.

Had one last night, real leg lamb from the
deli for a bit of variety, no fat or bone. With
a big slice of cheese from the deli and the
hot chutney from South Africa that Aldi does
as a special buy a couple of times a year.

Just bought some cheese yesterday but havent eaten
any of it yet and dont plan to eat it that often.

I like various cheeses, there;s loads of choice in most supermarkets here.

Same here, dozens of them.

Brie is nice

Yeah I got some camembert at the same time.

with cranberry sauce

I prefer mine with just a biscuit, Not a main meal tho.

and I like chedder with beetroot ketchup.

Never been at all keen on beetroot. I always
remove it from burgers and dont add it to
the burgers I make.

But swap them over and it just tatses weird.

I like whisky & cock but not whisky
and orange like a friend likes.

I have mine neat, no ice or water or anything added.

The only time I lioke Jack daniels is with coke,

I dont ever drink mixed drinks except G&T

I can't drink it neat.

I can but prefer scotch by far.
Or Irish whisky like Tullamore Dew,

But other whiskies (scotch) I don't like with coke.

I never add anything to scotch.

But if bought for me I'll drink it, but I won't buy it.

I almost never drink in pubs etc.

Red pepper and feta cheese rolls :-)

https://www.higgidy.co.uk/product/wo...veggie-rolls-0

I do eat one version of Gozleme which has no meat
but alternate it with the other that does, from Aldi.

Then aldi version of the Red pepper and feta cheese rolls is horrible,

Yeah they vary, some are good, some arent.

Just watch the doco on Aldi where some posh woman
had a flash dinner for her posh friends. She claimed to
them that some was from Aldi and some wasnt and got
them to pick which was from Aldi. In fact it was all from
Aldi and they were amazed at the stuff they did like.

sure 35% cheaper but so bad I had
to throw them away I could eat them.

Never had that myself. Some like their drumstick
equivalent is quite edible but I prefer the real thing.
http://www.peters.com.au/brands/drumstick/

Their frozen peas and corn is fine but they only
sell it in two separate packs, I prefer to be lazy
and use the birdseye mix. Out supermarkets
regularly do half priced specials so I have a full
roll out drawer in the massive great vertical
frost free freezer full of it and its only marginally
more expensive than from aldi that way.
http://birdseye.com.au/our-range/fro...-capsicum-500g

trouble is I can eat a box of the above with,
either garlic mayo or beetroot ketchup and
a cup of tea at midnight before going to bed.

Thats why you are as fat as the worst yanks.

I'm not fat but have put on about 2KG since May 2019.
but this month lost 0.3KG

according to this my BMI is 24.5

https://www.nhs.uk/live-well/healthy...mi-calculator/

I'm always in the ideal BMI range.