Overheard someone talking to someone that was going to supply her a temporary vehicle. She was very concerned that the car should be at least a 2.0 as she intends to dive on the motorway.

I assume they offered a beemer, because she said

€œI dont know anything about BMWs I drive a Jaguar..
I dont know if they can be driven on the motorway.€�


How the other half lives! I used to take my 1.0 Metros from London to Preston & back on the motorway on a regular basis (leaving Jaguars and BMs eating my lead!)

On 13/02/2019 12:27, wrote:
Overheard someone talking to someone that was going to supply her a temporary vehicle. She was very concerned that the car should be at least a 2.0 as she intends to dive on the motorway.

I assume they offered a beemer, because she said

€œI dont know anything about BMWs I drive a Jaguar.
I dont know if they can be driven on the motorway.€�


How the other half lives! I used to take my 1.0 Metros from London to Preston & back on the motorway on a regular basis (leaving Jaguars and BMs eating my lead!)


Ah yes!
Push the throttle down as far as it will go and keep it there. Turn the
stereo cassette player up loud enough to hear over the noise and leave
that there too. About 90 on the flat, slowing to 70 or less if it's up
hill. It was a Renault5 for me, when I could get it started. Back and
forth on the M3 and M4.
TW

On Wednesday, February 13, 2019 at 12:27:03 PM UTC, wrote:
Overheard someone talking to someone that was going to supply her a temporary vehicle. She was very concerned that the car should be at least a 2.0 as she intends to dive on the motorway.

I assume they offered a beemer, because she said

€œI dont know anything about BMWs I drive a Jaguar.
I dont know if they can be driven on the motorway.€�


If she is that stupid she shouldn't be driving on any road. Perhaps she was trying to be sarky, etc.
I mean, she must have noticed the other carss around her when driving in her Jag.

In article ,
wrote:
Overheard someone talking to someone that was going to supply her a
temporary vehicle. She was very concerned that the car should be at
least a 2.0 as she intends to dive on the motorway.

I assume they offered a beemer, because she said

”I don‘t know anything about BMW‘s I drive a Jaguar.
I don‘t know if they can be driven on the motorway.•

Most BMWs probably overtook her on the motorway going so fast she couldn't
read the badge. And likely plenty white vans too.


How the other half lives! I used to take my 1.0 Metros from London to
Preston & back on the motorway on a regular basis (leaving Jaguars and
BMs eating my lead!)

Which just means they were vaguely keeping to the speed limit. Given most
BMWs and Jags ever made were faster than a 1 litre Metro. But at least the
Metro had a speedo which told you you were going fast. ;-)

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Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

No idea about how what you heard really makes any sense. If you could not
drive them on a motorway, what would be the point of making them.


I could understand it if they offered her a half track military armoured car
as a replacement, last time I looked you could not use them on a motorway.
Brian

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Overheard someone talking to someone that was going to supply her a
temporary vehicle. She was very concerned that the car should be at least a
2.0 as she intends to dive on the motorway.

I assume they offered a beemer, because she said

"I don't know anything about BMW's I drive a Jaguar.
I don't know if they can be driven on the motorway."


How the other half lives! I used to take my 1.0 Metros from London to
Preston & back on the motorway on a regular basis (leaving Jaguars and BMs
eating my lead!)

Actually my neighbour had a Metro and boy could that thing move. The speedo
kind of just hit the end and after that it was guesswork. Only problem with
it was that it tended to be full of rust even when new.

Brian

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On 13/02/2019 12:27, wrote:
Overheard someone talking to someone that was going to supply her a
temporary vehicle. She was very concerned that the car should be at
least a 2.0 as she intends to dive on the motorway.

I assume they offered a beemer, because she said

"I don't know anything about BMW's I drive a Jaguar.
I don't know if they can be driven on the motorway."


How the other half lives! I used to take my 1.0 Metros from London to
Preston & back on the motorway on a regular basis (leaving Jaguars and
BMs eating my lead!)


Ah yes!
Push the throttle down as far as it will go and keep it there. Turn the
stereo cassette player up loud enough to hear over the noise and leave
that there too. About 90 on the flat, slowing to 70 or less if it's up
hill. It was a Renault5 for me, when I could get it started. Back and
forth on the M3 and M4.
TW

In article ,
Brian Gaff wrote:
Actually my neighbour had a Metro and boy could that thing move. The
speedo kind of just hit the end and after that it was guesswork. Only
problem with it was that it tended to be full of rust even when new.

As I said - a very optimistic speedo. Some makers today do just the same.
When making one which is within 1% accuracy should be child's play since
they are counting pulses.

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Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On 13/02/2019 13:59, sm_jamieson wrote:
On Wednesday, February 13, 2019 at 12:27:03 PM UTC, wrote:
Overheard someone talking to someone that was going to supply her a temporary vehicle. She was very concerned that the car should be at least a 2.0 as she intends to dive on the motorway.

I assume they offered a beemer, because she said

€œI dont know anything about BMWs I drive a Jaguar.
I dont know if they can be driven on the motorway.€�


If she is that stupid she shouldn't be driving on any road. Perhaps she was trying to be sarky, etc.
I mean, she must have noticed the other carss around her when driving in her Jag.

Had a dumb 50+ blonde ( but out of a bottle at that age) in a big
Mercedes saloon (350 or 450) in front of me at the lights once. All rear
fog lights on, plus rear lights plus brake lights. Couldn't see a damn
thing. At the next set of lights she was turning right, I was going
straight ahead. I hooted the horn and she looked and we wound down our
windows.

"You have your fog lights and are dazzling everyone behind you."
"No I don't". (I could see the warning light from my car.)
"Yes you do, you are dazzling everyone. Turn them off it's not foggy."
"No I do not. This is a Mercedes, the lights are just brighter and
better than cheap cars like yours."

So I can quite believe the overheard conversation.

On 13/02/2019 16:54, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Brian Gaff wrote:
Actually my neighbour had a Metro and boy could that thing move. The
speedo kind of just hit the end and after that it was guesswork. Only
problem with it was that it tended to be full of rust even when new.

As I said - a very optimistic speedo. Some makers today do just the same.
When making one which is within 1% accuracy should be child's play since
they are counting pulses.


I find it hard to see how a simple count of pulses can deliver 1 per
cent accuracy. The speedo *mustn't* read low. That's a statutory
requirement: "the true speed shall not exceed the indicated speed" in
your no-doubt well-thumbed copy of the The Motor Vehicles (Approval)
Regulations 2001. Wear on tyres alone can produce a difference of 2 per
cent in the circumference.

--
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reply-to address is (intended to be) valid

"Robin" wrote in message
...
On 13/02/2019 16:54, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Brian Gaff wrote:
Actually my neighbour had a Metro and boy could that thing move. The
speedo kind of just hit the end and after that it was guesswork. Only
problem with it was that it tended to be full of rust even when new.

As I said - a very optimistic speedo. Some makers today do just the same.
When making one which is within 1% accuracy should be child's play since
they are counting pulses.


I find it hard to see how a simple count of pulses can deliver 1 per cent
accuracy. The speedo *mustn't* read low. That's a statutory requirement:
"the true speed shall not exceed the indicated speed" in your no-doubt
well-thumbed copy of the The Motor Vehicles (Approval) Regulations 2001.
Wear on tyres alone can produce a difference of 2 per cent in the
circumference.

I'm surprised it's that much. Is the difference between the external
diameter of a new tyre and of a just-legal tyre as much as 2%?

I presume manufacturers design the speedo to over-read by at least 2% so it
never under-reads even with just-legal tyres. Mine seems to under read by 5
mph across the whole range from 10 - 70, compared with a GPS speedo app.

On 13/02/2019 17:57, NY wrote:
"Robin" wrote in message
...
On 13/02/2019 16:54, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Â*Â*Â* Brian Gaff wrote:
Actually my neighbour had a Metro and boy could that thing move. The
speedo kind of just hit the end and after that it was guesswork. Only
problem with it was that it tended to be full of rust even when new.

As I said - a very optimistic speedo. Some makers today do just the
same.
When making one which is within 1% accuracy should be child's play since
they are counting pulses.


I find it hard to see how a simple count of pulses can deliver 1 per
cent accuracy. The speedo *mustn't* read low.Â* That's a statutory
requirement: "the true speed shall not exceed the indicated speed" in
your no-doubt well-thumbed copy of the The Motor Vehicles (Approval)
Regulations 2001. Wear on tyres alone can produce a difference of 2
per cent in the circumference.

I'm surprised it's that much. Is the difference between the external
diameter of a new tyre and of a just-legal tyre as much as 2%?


yes. More probably - I reckon 3%.

I presume manufacturers design the speedo to over-read by at least 2% so
it never under-reads even with just-legal tyres. Mine seems to under
read by 5 mph across the whole range from 10 - 70, compared with a GPS
speedo app.

mine is bang on 10% with half worn tyres. ± 3% for tyre wear.



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man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest
thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly
persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of doubt, what is laid
before him."

- Leo Tolstoy

On 13/02/2019 17:57, NY wrote:
"Robin" wrote in message
...
On 13/02/2019 16:54, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Â*Â*Â* Brian Gaff wrote:
Actually my neighbour had a Metro and boy could that thing move. The
speedo kind of just hit the end and after that it was guesswork. Only
problem with it was that it tended to be full of rust even when new.

As I said - a very optimistic speedo. Some makers today do just the
same.
When making one which is within 1% accuracy should be child's play since
they are counting pulses.


I find it hard to see how a simple count of pulses can deliver 1 per
cent accuracy. The speedo *mustn't* read low.Â* That's a statutory
requirement: "the true speed shall not exceed the indicated speed" in
your no-doubt well-thumbed copy of the The Motor Vehicles (Approval)
Regulations 2001. Wear on tyres alone can produce a difference of 2
per cent in the circumference.

I'm surprised it's that much. Is the difference between the external
diameter of a new tyre and of a just-legal tyre as much as 2%?

I presume manufacturers design the speedo to over-read by at least 2% so
it never under-reads even with just-legal tyres. Mine seems to under
read by 5 mph across the whole range from 10 - 70, compared with a GPS
speedo app.

depends on wheel/tyre of course but I was reckoning on tread going from
8mm to 2mm on a tyre of around 180mm circumference.

Or of course misreckoning if others get different answers


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reply-to address is (intended to be) valid

On 13/02/2019 12:27, wrote:
Overheard someone talking to someone that was going to supply her a temporary vehicle. She was very concerned that the car should be at least a 2.0 as she intends to dive on the motorway.

I assume they offered a beemer, because she said

€œI dont know anything about BMWs I drive a Jaguar.
I dont know if they can be driven on the motorway.€�


How the other half lives! I used to take my 1.0 Metros from London to Preston & back on the motorway on a regular basis (leaving Jaguars and BMs eating my lead!)


You do not have to be rich to be stupid.

Some years ago a friend of my Mums came to visit in her new car
(probably a Micra or similar). It was dark when she left and unable to
find the headlight switch she caught a taxi home.

--
Adam

On 13/02/2019 14:48, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
wrote:
Overheard someone talking to someone that was going to supply her a
temporary vehicle. She was very concerned that the car should be at
least a 2.0 as she intends to dive on the motorway.

I assume they offered a beemer, because she said

€�I don€˜t know anything about BMW€˜s I drive a Jaguar.
I don€˜t know if they can be driven on the motorway.€¢

Most BMWs probably overtook her on the motorway going so fast she couldn't
read the badge. And likely plenty white vans too.


How the other half lives! I used to take my 1.0 Metros from London to
Preston & back on the motorway on a regular basis (leaving Jaguars and
BMs eating my lead!)

Which just means they were vaguely keeping to the speed limit. Given most
BMWs and Jags ever made were faster than a 1 litre Metro. But at least the
Metro had a speedo which told you you were going fast. ;-)


I sometimes set my cruise control to a true 70MPG (GPS calibrated with
sat nav and mobile phone) and there are still very few cars overtaking me.

I have also had a couple of phone calls about me undertaking on a 50 MPH
dual carriageway on the way to work. I have flown past the other
vehicles with my van set at a true 50MPH. This is always where the fixed
speed camera is and they slow down to 40 MPH or less.


--
Adam

"ARW" wrote in message
news
I have also had a couple of phone calls about me undertaking on a 50 MPH
dual carriageway on the way to work. I have flown past the other vehicles
with my van set at a true 50MPH. This is always where the fixed speed
camera is and they slow down to 40 MPH or less.

I've lost count of the number of times that I've been following other
traffic that is all doing under the speed limit, and yet one of them *still*
slams the anchors on dangerously hard when they see a police car that might
be looking for speeding drivers. Many drivers seem to think that they must
brake even if they are nowhere near exceeding the speed limit.

Probably the same people that slow down as they approach the back end of a
lorry that they are about to overtake, crawl past the lorry at maybe 2 mph
faster than it and then accelerate away as soon as they have passed its cab.
I prefer to spend as little (rather than as much) time alongside a lorry, in
case it happens to pull out without looking - especially if it's an LHD
lorry.

In article , ARW
wrote:
On 13/02/2019 14:48, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
wrote:
Overheard someone talking to someone that was going to supply her a
temporary vehicle. She was very concerned that the car should be at
least a 2.0 as she intends to dive on the motorway.

I assume they offered a beemer, because she said

•I don�t know anything about BMW�s I drive a Jaguar. I don�t know if
they can be driven on the motorway.�

Most BMWs probably overtook her on the motorway going so fast she
couldn't read the badge. And likely plenty white vans too.


How the other half lives! I used to take my 1.0 Metros from London to
Preston & back on the motorway on a regular basis (leaving Jaguars and
BMs eating my lead!)

Which just means they were vaguely keeping to the speed limit. Given
most BMWs and Jags ever made were faster than a 1 litre Metro. But at
least the Metro had a speedo which told you you were going fast. ;-)


I sometimes set my cruise control to a true 70MPG (GPS calibrated with
sat nav and mobile phone) and there are still very few cars overtaking me.

not so down south. Mostly BMWs

I have also had a couple of phone calls about me undertaking on a 50 MPH
dual carriageway on the way to work. I have flown past the other
vehicles with my van set at a true 50MPH. This is always where the fixed
speed camera is and they slow down to 40 MPH or less.


-- Adam

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Robin has brought this to us :
I find it hard to see how a simple count of pulses can deliver 1 per cent
accuracy.

My does around 50 pulses per revolution of the wheel, there are
electronic methods to predict the likely next pulse period and predict
when the next pulse will arrive. I have three speed displays available
to me - the dial on the dash, which reads a few percent high, digital
display which does not interpret the wheel pulses at all, it just
displays the value and entirely independently - satnav. The latter two
always agree within 1mph at a steady speed.

NY expressed precisely :
I presume manufacturers design the speedo to over-read by at least 2% so it
never under-reads even with just-legal tyres.

Yes, they make sure you can never get done for speeding, unless you
actually are speeding.

Mine seems to under read by 5
mph across the whole range from 10 - 70, compared with a GPS speedo app.

How they read, depends on how the calculate the speed - adding a safe
percentage or simply adding 3, 4 or 5 to the value. Mine uses plus a
percentage and the mph difference increases with increased speed. Last
time I checked, it was 73mph when doing a genuine 70mph from memory.

ARW laid this down on his screen :
I have also had a couple of phone calls about me undertaking on a 50 MPH dual
carriageway on the way to work.

Phone calls from whom?

NY explained :
I've lost count of the number of times that I've been following other traffic
that is all doing under the speed limit, and yet one of them *still* slams
the anchors on dangerously hard when they see a police car that might be
looking for speeding drivers. Many drivers seem to think that they must brake
even if they are nowhere near exceeding the speed limit.

I think that is likely them braking, because they don't even know what
the speed limit is and suddenly develop a guilty conscience.

"sm_jamieson" wrote in message
...
On Wednesday, February 13, 2019 at 12:27:03 PM UTC, wrote:
Overheard someone talking to someone that was going to supply her a
temporary vehicle. She was very concerned that the car should be at
least a 2.0 as she intends to dive on the motorway.

I assume they offered a beemer, because she said

€œI dont know anything about BMWs I drive a Jaguar.
I dont know if they can be driven on the motorway.€�


If she is that stupid she shouldn't be driving on any road.
Perhaps she was trying to be sarky, etc. I mean, she must have
noticed the other carss around her when driving in her Jag.

Not necessarily, many stupid women wouldnt. Some arent
even aware of the brand of the car they drive all the time.

On 13/02/2019 18:12, Robin wrote:
On 13/02/2019 17:57, NY wrote:
"Robin" wrote in message

depends on wheel/tyre of course but I was reckoning on tread going from
8mm to 2mm on a tyre of around 180mm circumference.

Or of course misreckoning if others get different answers



What do you drive? A Dinky toy?

In article ,
Rod Speed wrote:


"sm_jamieson" wrote in message
...
On Wednesday, February 13, 2019 at 12:27:03 PM UTC, wrote:
Overheard someone talking to someone that was going to supply her a
temporary vehicle. She was very concerned that the car should be at
least a 2.0 as she intends to dive on the motorway.

I assume they offered a beemer, because she said

”I don‘t know anything about BMW‘s I drive a Jaguar.
I don‘t know if they can be driven on the motorway.•


If she is that stupid she shouldn't be driving on any road.
Perhaps she was trying to be sarky, etc. I mean, she must have
noticed the other carss around her when driving in her Jag.

Not necessarily, many stupid women wouldn‘t. Some arent
even aware of the brand of the car they drive all the time.

Some years ago, I was helping with a children's show at our Village Hall.
During the interval.meone who lived across the road appearedc and asked if
we could geta car moved which was blocking the driveway into his house.
So, I announced that Make & Number of car was in the way and aslked for it
to be moved. Nothing happened. After the show I stood besdie the vehicle
until the driver appeared "Didn't you hear me ask you to move?" "I don't
know what I drive." and drove off.

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England
"I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle

In article , Robin
writes
On 13/02/2019 16:54, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Brian Gaff wrote:
Actually my neighbour had a Metro and boy could that thing move. The
speedo kind of just hit the end and after that it was guesswork. Only
problem with it was that it tended to be full of rust even when new.
As I said - a very optimistic speedo. Some makers today do just the
same.
When making one which is within 1% accuracy should be child's play since
they are counting pulses.


I find it hard to see how a simple count of pulses can deliver 1 per
cent accuracy. The speedo *mustn't* read low. That's a statutory
requirement: "the true speed shall not exceed the indicated speed" in
your no-doubt well-thumbed copy of the The Motor Vehicles (Approval)
Regulations 2001. Wear on tyres alone can produce a difference of 2
per cent in the circumference.

And also
For all true speeds of between 25 mph and 70 mph (or the maximum speed
if lower), the difference between the indicated speed and the true speed
shall not exceed€”

V/10 + 6.25 mph

where V = the true speed of the vehicle in mph.

Which seems to me a very wide variation.
--
bert

On Wednesday, 13 February 2019 19:46:28 UTC, Andy Bennet wrote:
On 13/02/2019 18:12, Robin wrote:
On 13/02/2019 17:57, NY wrote:
"Robin" wrote in message

depends on wheel/tyre of course but I was reckoning on tread going from
8mm to 2mm on a tyre of around 180mm circumference.

Or of course misreckoning if others get different answers



What do you drive? A Dinky toy?

maybe a Willam Sulky.


NT

On Wednesday, 13 February 2019 12:27:03 UTC, wrote:

Overheard someone talking to someone that was going to supply her a temporary vehicle. She was very concerned that the car should be at least a 2.0 as she intends to dive on the motorway.

I assume they offered a beemer, because she said

€œI dont know anything about BMWs I drive a Jaguar.
I dont know if they can be driven on the motorway.€�


How the other half lives! I used to take my 1.0 Metros from London to Preston & back on the motorway on a regular basis (leaving Jaguars and BMs eating my lead!)

Luxury! I used to do long journeys in a thing with a wooden floor that topped out at 52mph. Eventually.


NT

On 13/02/2019 19:46, Andy Bennet wrote:
On 13/02/2019 18:12, Robin wrote:
On 13/02/2019 17:57, NY wrote:
"Robin" wrote in message

depends on wheel/tyre of course but I was reckoning on tread going
from 8mm to 2mm on a tyre of around 180mm circumference.

Or of course misreckoning if others get different answers



What do you drive? A Dinky toy?

Oh bother.

Ah, I've found where I dropped it. Here it is:

0



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reply-to address is (intended to be) valid

On 13/02/2019 19:28, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
ARW laid this down on his screen :
I have also had a couple of phone calls about me undertaking on a 50
MPH dual carriageway on the way to work.

Phone calls from whom?

Wank drivers doing well under the 50MPH speed limit whilst hogging the
RHL when the LHL is empty and then taking the companies phone number off
the van signage.



--
Adam

On 13/02/2019 19:11, charles wrote:
In article , ARW


I sometimes set my cruise control to a true 70MPG (GPS calibrated with
sat nav and mobile phone) and there are still very few cars overtaking me.

not so down south. Mostly BMWs

A lot down south if you count Watford as South.

The standard of driving on the M1 South of Luton is probably some of the
worst motorway driving I have seen in the UK.




--
Adam

On 13/02/2019 18:12, Robin wrote:

depends on wheel/tyre of course but I was reckoning on tread going from
8mm to 2mm on a tyre of around 180mm circumference.


What about different minor variants of the same basic car? It wouldn't
be unusual for them to be fitted with either,say, 16 or 17 inch wheels.
Do the manufactures adjust the calibration for different factory fitted
wheels or do they rely of range they allowed on the speedo readings?

What about the reading within spec with a space-saver wheel on one corner


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After serious thinking ARW wrote :
Wank drivers doing well under the 50MPH speed limit whilst hogging the RHL
when the LHL is empty and then taking the companies phone number off the van
signage.

Change the number to that of the Samaritans.

On 13/02/2019 21:19, wrote:
On Wednesday, 13 February 2019 12:27:03 UTC, wrote:

Overheard someone talking to someone that was going to supply her a temporary vehicle. She was very concerned that the car should be at least a 2.0 as she intends to dive on the motorway.

I assume they offered a beemer, because she said

€œI dont know anything about BMWs I drive a Jaguar.
I dont know if they can be driven on the motorway.€�


How the other half lives! I used to take my 1.0 Metros from London to Preston & back on the motorway on a regular basis (leaving Jaguars and BMs eating my lead!)

Luxury! I used to do long journeys in a thing with a wooden floor that topped out at 52mph. Eventually.

One guy I worked with drove from Manchester to deepest Cornwall and back
in one of those small, 4-wheel, rear-steer cranes with a top speed of
12mph !!!

SteveW

In article ,
Robin wrote:
On 13/02/2019 16:54, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Brian Gaff wrote:
Actually my neighbour had a Metro and boy could that thing move. The
speedo kind of just hit the end and after that it was guesswork. Only
problem with it was that it tended to be full of rust even when new.

As I said - a very optimistic speedo. Some makers today do just the same.
When making one which is within 1% accuracy should be child's play since
they are counting pulses.


I find it hard to see how a simple count of pulses can deliver 1 per
cent accuracy.

Really?

The speedo *mustn't* read low. That's a statutory
requirement: "the true speed shall not exceed the indicated speed" in
your no-doubt well-thumbed copy of the The Motor Vehicles (Approval)
Regulations 2001. Wear on tyres alone can produce a difference of 2 per
cent in the circumference.
So you start out with a speedo dead accurate with new tyres. Then the
maximum error would be 2%. Not 10% as allowed. Things have moved on since
that reg was written.

--
*Frustration is trying to find your glasses without your glasses.

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

alan_m wrote:
On 13/02/2019 18:12, Robin wrote:

depends on wheel/tyre of course but I was reckoning on tread going
from 8mm to 2mm on a tyre of around 180mm circumference.


What about different minor variants of the same basic car?Â* It wouldn't
be unusual for them to be fitted with either,say, 16 or 17 inch wheels.

Same external diameter.

Do the manufactures adjust the calibration for different factory fitted
wheels or do they rely of range they allowed on the speedo readings?

What about the reading within spec with a space-saver wheel on one corner

Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Robin wrote:
On 13/02/2019 16:54, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Brian Gaff wrote:
Actually my neighbour had a Metro and boy could that thing move. The
speedo kind of just hit the end and after that it was guesswork. Only
problem with it was that it tended to be full of rust even when new.

As I said - a very optimistic speedo. Some makers today do just the same.
When making one which is within 1% accuracy should be child's play since
they are counting pulses.


I find it hard to see how a simple count of pulses can deliver 1 per
cent accuracy.

Really?

The speedo *mustn't* read low. That's a statutory
requirement: "the true speed shall not exceed the indicated speed" in
your no-doubt well-thumbed copy of the The Motor Vehicles (Approval)
Regulations 2001. Wear on tyres alone can produce a difference of 2 per
cent in the circumference.
So you start out with a speedo dead accurate with new tyres. Then the
maximum error would be 2%. Not 10% as allowed. Things have moved on since
that reg was written.

They start out never true speed reading,they always read less, except
for police speedos in police vehicles.

Harry Bloomfield wrote:
NY explained :
I've lost count of the number of times that I've been following other
traffic that is all doing under the speed limit, and yet one of them
*still* slams the anchors on dangerously hard when they see a police
car that might be looking for speeding drivers. Many drivers seem to
think that they must brake even if they are nowhere near exceeding the
speed limit.

I think that is likely them braking, because they don't even know what
the speed limit is and suddenly develop a guilty conscience.

You lot are lucky,here in Australia we have just made a law that any
flashing police or emergency vehicles at the side of the road means that
you have to slow to 40 kmph which means that you have to reduce speed
from 110 kmph to 40 kmph suddenly on the highway, it has already caused
accidents.

On 13/02/2019 18:58, NY wrote:
I've lost count of the number of times that I've been following other
traffic that is all doing under the speed limit, and yet one of them
*still* slams the anchors on dangerously hard when they see a police car
that might be looking for speeding drivers. Many drivers seem to think
that they must brake even if they are nowhere near exceeding the speed
limit.

I mentioned ths top a plumber. His tale was interesting.

"Most people dont know what the speed limit is, so around town they
drive at 20mph to be safe, and out of town they drive at 50mph".


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too dark to read.

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On 13/02/2019 19:24, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
NY expressed precisely :
I presume manufacturers design the speedo to over-read by at least 2%
so it never under-reads even with just-legal tyres.

Yes, they make sure you can never get done for speeding, unless you
actually are speeding.

Mine seems to under read by 5 mph across the whole range from 10 - 70,
compared with a GPS speedo app.

How they read, depends on how the calculate the speed - adding a safe
percentage or simply adding 3, 4 or 5 to the value. Mine uses plus a
percentage and the mph difference increases with increased speed. Last
time I checked, it was 73mph when doing a genuine 70mph from memory.

All depends on the rolling radius of the tyre , which is not only due to
the tread depth but mainly the tyre inflation pressure. A fully inflated
tyre should give the most accurate reading.
Fortunatly the flatter the tyre the more the speedo over reads.

I think the fuzz now use a laser velometer fitted under the vehicle
which measures the true road speed relative to the vehicle.

On 13/02/2019 19:19, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
Robin has brought this to us :
I find it hard to see how a simple count of pulses can deliver 1 per
cent accuracy.

My does around 50 pulses per revolution of the wheel, there are
electronic methods to predict the likely next pulse period and predict
when the next pulse will arrive. I have three speed displays available
to me - the dial on the dash, which reads a few percent high, digital
display which does not interpret the wheel pulses at all, it just
displays the value and entirely independently - satnav. The latter two
always agree within 1mph at a steady speed.

Only trust the satnav speed when on a level road. The speed is
calculated by rate of change of position on a flat surface. If you are
going up or down a hill it will under read.

The derivation of altitude via GPS is not very accurate anyway and is
ignored in domestic satnav devices.

On 14/02/2019 08:34, Andy Bennet wrote:
On 13/02/2019 19:19, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
Robin has brought this to us :
I find it hard to see how a simple count of pulses can deliver 1 per
cent accuracy.

My does around 50 pulses per revolution of the wheel, there are
electronic methods to predict the likely next pulse period and predict
when the next pulse will arrive. I have three speed displays available
to me - the dial on the dash, which reads a few percent high, digital
display which does not interpret the wheel pulses at all, it just
displays the value and entirely independently - satnav. The latter two
always agree within 1mph at a steady speed.

Only trust the satnav speed when on a level road. The speed is
calculated by rate of change of position on a flat surface. If you are
going up or down a hill it will under read.

The derivation of altitude via GPS is not very accurate anyway and is
ignored in domestic satnav devices.

A one in ten hill is so steep that most people would slow right down on it.

A one in ten hill would underead by 10%. In essence practically
negligible on any normal slope of 1 in 100 or so.




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atrocities.€�

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M. de Voltaire