On 21/02/2019 18:31, NY wrote:
I'm impressed that on a road that is not a motorway or dual carriageway
all the way you were able to average over 60 mph.

Ive done up to 130mph on ordinary A roads and equivalent, back in the day



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On 21/02/2019 18:31, NY wrote:
"F" news@nowhere wrote in message
o.uk...
On 19/02/2019 14:10, Tim+ wrote:
F news@nowhere Wrote in message:
I used to drive my father's Ford Anglia 1200 to see the then girlfriend.
12 miles in 11 minutes with my foot down to the floor and the speedo up
against the stop at 92. Several pretty burnt out valves when he sold it
when I went to college but I had had some fun.-- F

Yep, 65mph in an Anglia will do that. ;-) (12 miles in 11 minutes
is nowhere *near* 92 mph).

Tim

It wasn't flat out all the way...

As a matter of interest, what sort of roads was it?

Pretty straight A road late at night with no traffic.

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"F" news@nowhere wrote in message
...
As a matter of interest, what sort of roads was it?

Pretty straight A road late at night with no traffic.

And no predatory policemen or traffic cameras. :-)

On 21/02/2019 20:58, NY wrote:
"F" news@nowhere wrote in message
...
As a matter of interest, what sort of roads was it?

Pretty straight A road late at night with no traffic.

And no predatory policemen or traffic cameras. :-)

Not around in those days.

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F

In article ,
wrote:
Never heard of economy of design?

strange claim

A camel being a horse made by a committee of engineers?

The SD1 suspension works pretty well for what it is. Didn't need much
in the way of modification for the considerable success the car had in
racing and rallying.

how is that relevant?

Becuase the strut front suspension is as basic as you can get. The bottom
of the strut is located 'in and out' by a simple control arm, not
wishbone. And the 'fore aft' by the anti-roll bar.

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In article ,
NY wrote:
wrote in message
...
There were even cars with rubber band suspension.

If you mean the sort used by BL, I'd guess cost ruled it out rather than
a
fundamental problem.

what car did BL ever produce with rubber band suspension?
Have you been having a tipple?

I suppose you *could* describe BL's Hydrolastic suspension as using
rubber bands, but they are more like rubber bushes (doughnut shaped
rubber between "axle" and body).

Of course - have several of them. I've never heard of any car using rubber
bands, and assumed that was what meant.

Perhaps Mr Purr would enlighten us?

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I saw a nice expensive BMW delivering fast food...what is the world coming
to ?....

Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote

I saw a nice expensive BMW delivering fast food...

Likely some kid using their parents car or a stolen one.

what is the world coming to ?....

On Friday, 22 February 2019 11:25:23 UTC, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
tabbypurr wrote:

Never heard of economy of design?

strange claim

A camel being a horse made by a committee of engineers?

The SD1 suspension works pretty well for what it is. Didn't need much
in the way of modification for the considerable success the car had in
racing and rallying.

how is that relevant?

Becuase the strut front suspension is as basic as you can get.

nonsense. I can only conclude you're not familiar with microcars.

The bottom
of the strut is located 'in and out' by a simple control arm, not
wishbone. And the 'fore aft' by the anti-roll bar.

complications numerous horrible cars have done without.


NT

On 21/02/2019 18:15, F wrote:
On 19/02/2019 22:21, Andy Burns wrote:
F wrote:

The VSL cameras are also operating when the display is showing
national speed limit. They're not turned off and so will catch anyone
ignoring the NSL.

There's been a big dose of "fake news" from social media regarding smart
motorways and speed cameras recently ...

But this isn't fake news: I've seen them flash.



But at what speed? They do not get me at 86MPH

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On Sat, 23 Feb 2019 03:44:46 +1100, cantankerous trolling senile geezer Rot
Speed blabbered, again:


I saw a nice expensive BMW delivering fast food...

Likely some kid using their parents car or a stolen one.

Senile driveling idiot! BG

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On 21/02/2019 12:02, NY wrote:
wrote in message
...
There were even cars with rubber band suspension.

If you mean the sort used by BL, I'd guess cost ruled it out rather
than a
fundamental problem.

what car did BL ever produce with rubber band suspension?
Have you been having a tipple?

I suppose you *could* describe BL's Hydrolastic suspension as using
rubber bands, but they are more like rubber bushes (doughnut shaped
rubber between "axle" and body).

ITYM rubber cone suspension, as used on most original Minis?

Hydrolastic was a fluid-based system - by all accounts quite effective
if done properly, but expensive. Used for a short while on Minis in the 60s.

--
Cheers, Rob

On 23/02/2019 10:39, RJH wrote:
On 21/02/2019 12:02, NY wrote:
wrote in message
...
There were even cars with rubber band suspension.

If you mean the sort used by BL, I'd guess cost ruled it out rather
than a
fundamental problem.

what car did BL ever produce with rubber band suspension?
Have you been having a tipple?

I suppose you *could* describe BL's Hydrolastic suspension as using
rubber bands, but they are more like rubber bushes (doughnut shaped
rubber between "axle" and body).

ITYM rubber cone suspension, as used on most original Minis?

Hydrolastic was a fluid-based system - by all accounts quite effective
if done properly, but expensive. Used for a short while on Minis in the
60s.

And 1100s. And IIRC 1300s and Maxis.

And in fact dozens of te ****ers.

It seems it did use rubber springs as well.

https://www.uniquecarsandparts.com.a...tic_suspension

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that the dunces are all in confederacy against him."

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In article ,
wrote:
On Friday, 22 February 2019 11:25:23 UTC, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
tabbypurr wrote:

Never heard of economy of design?

strange claim

A camel being a horse made by a committee of engineers?

The SD1 suspension works pretty well for what it is. Didn't need much
in the way of modification for the considerable success the car had in
racing and rallying.

how is that relevant?

Becuase the strut front suspension is as basic as you can get.

nonsense. I can only conclude you're not familiar with microcars.

I'm not familiar with pedal cars either.

The bottom
of the strut is located 'in and out' by a simple control arm, not
wishbone. And the 'fore aft' by the anti-roll bar.

complications numerous horrible cars have done without.

Then how is the bottom of the strut located? You either need a wishbone or
a series of tie rods.

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In article ,
RJH wrote:
On 21/02/2019 12:02, NY wrote:
wrote in message
...
There were even cars with rubber band suspension.

If you mean the sort used by BL, I'd guess cost ruled it out rather
than a
fundamental problem.

what car did BL ever produce with rubber band suspension?
Have you been having a tipple?

I suppose you *could* describe BL's Hydrolastic suspension as using
rubber bands, but they are more like rubber bushes (doughnut shaped
rubber between "axle" and body).

ITYM rubber cone suspension, as used on most original Minis?

Hydrolastic was a fluid-based system - by all accounts quite effective
if done properly, but expensive. Used for a short while on Minis in the
60s.


Yes - I had an Austin 1800 with it. And unlike a spring/damper setup, it
tends to stay on spec throughout the life of the car - bar the odd pump
up. Unlike a conventional system where springs break and shocks wear out.

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On Saturday, 23 February 2019 11:10:07 UTC, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
tabbypurr wrote:
On Friday, 22 February 2019 11:25:23 UTC, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
tabbypurr wrote:

Never heard of economy of design?

strange claim

A camel being a horse made by a committee of engineers?

The SD1 suspension works pretty well for what it is. Didn't need much
in the way of modification for the considerable success the car had in
racing and rallying.

how is that relevant?

Becuase the strut front suspension is as basic as you can get.

nonsense. I can only conclude you're not familiar with microcars.

I'm not familiar with pedal cars either.

The bottom
of the strut is located 'in and out' by a simple control arm, not
wishbone. And the 'fore aft' by the anti-roll bar.

complications numerous horrible cars have done without.

Then how is the bottom of the strut located? You either need a wishbone or
a series of tie rods.

well I did let you know what to google.


NT

"Rod Speed" wrote in message
...
Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote
I saw a nice expensive BMW delivering fast food...

Likely some kid using their parents car or a stolen one.
what is the world coming to ?....


given that most of the new BMW Audi and Mercedes on the road are leased he
was just probably trying to meet the payments.........

"Jim GM4DHJ ..." wrote in message
...

"Rod Speed" wrote in message
...
Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote
I saw a nice expensive BMW delivering fast food...

Likely some kid using their parents car or a stolen one.
what is the world coming to ?....


given that most of the new BMW Audi and Mercedes on the road are leased

Where are you getting that from ?

he was just probably trying to meet the payments.........

Unlikely.

On Sun, 24 Feb 2019 04:12:44 +1100, cantankerous trolling senile geezer Rot
Speed blabbered, again:


Likely some kid using their parents car or a stolen one.
what is the world coming to ?....


given that most of the new BMW Audi and Mercedes on the road are leased

Where are you getting that from ?

he was just probably trying to meet the payments.........

Unlikely.

As unlikely as your bull**** above about the kid using a stolen car? VBG

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Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

[Hydrolastic]

Yes - I had an Austin 1800 with it. And unlike a spring/damper setup, it
tends to stay on spec throughout the life of the car - bar the odd pump
up. Unlike a conventional system where springs break and shocks wear out.

I inherited my Dad's Austin 1800

Then there was the time it was sitting down on the offside, so I
asked them to pump up the suspension. Turned out the engine mount
had failed, and its downward progress had been arrested by the
shearing off of a pipe stub on the main hydrolastic unit :-( £££

Chris
--
Chris J Dixon Nottingham UK


Plant amazing Acers.

On 22/02/2019 19:59, ARW wrote:
On 21/02/2019 18:15, F wrote:
On 19/02/2019 22:21, Andy Burns wrote:
F wrote:

The VSL cameras are also operating when the display is showing
national speed limit. They're not turned off and so will catch anyone
ignoring the NSL.

There's been a big dose of "fake news" from social media regarding smart
motorways and speed cameras recently ...

But this isn't fake news: I've seen them flash.



But at what speed? They do not get me at 86MPH

:-)

It was M62 at Hartshead Moor on the opposite carriageway so difficult to
judge speed. I would have thought 80+.

--
F

In article ,
wrote:
On Saturday, 23 February 2019 11:10:07 UTC, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
tabbypurr wrote:
On Friday, 22 February 2019 11:25:23 UTC, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
tabbypurr wrote:

Never heard of economy of design?

strange claim

A camel being a horse made by a committee of engineers?

The SD1 suspension works pretty well for what it is. Didn't
need much in the way of modification for the considerable
success the car had in racing and rallying.

how is that relevant?

Becuase the strut front suspension is as basic as you can get.

nonsense. I can only conclude you're not familiar with microcars.

I'm not familiar with pedal cars either.

The bottom of the strut is located 'in and out' by a simple
control arm, not wishbone. And the 'fore aft' by the anti-roll bar.

complications numerous horrible cars have done without.

Then how is the bottom of the strut located? You either need a
wishbone or a series of tie rods.

well I did let you know what to google.


Thanks for confirming you are guessing.

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In article ,
Chris J Dixon wrote:
Then there was the time it was sitting down on the offside, so I
asked them to pump up the suspension. Turned out the engine mount
had failed, and its downward progress had been arrested by the
shearing off of a pipe stub on the main hydrolastic unit :-( £££

Yes - that was a problem. I think they rusted through too. Better design
would have been a pipe which screwed or whatever into the hydrolastic unit.

Did it have problems with the driveshaft to hub splines on one side only?

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On Sunday, 24 February 2019 13:33:57 UTC, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
tabbypurr wrote:
On Saturday, 23 February 2019 11:10:07 UTC, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
tabbypurr wrote:
On Friday, 22 February 2019 11:25:23 UTC, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
tabbypurr wrote:

Never heard of economy of design?

strange claim

A camel being a horse made by a committee of engineers?

The SD1 suspension works pretty well for what it is. Didn't
need much in the way of modification for the considerable
success the car had in racing and rallying.

how is that relevant?

Becuase the strut front suspension is as basic as you can get.

nonsense. I can only conclude you're not familiar with microcars.

I'm not familiar with pedal cars either.

The bottom of the strut is located 'in and out' by a simple
control arm, not wishbone. And the 'fore aft' by the anti-roll bar.

complications numerous horrible cars have done without.

Then how is the bottom of the strut located? You either need a
wishbone or a series of tie rods.

well I did let you know what to google.


Thanks for confirming you are guessing.

lol. He knows nothing about microcars yet tells someone that knows of many with simpler suspension systems etc etc. Idiot.

In article ,
wrote:
Thanks for confirming you are guessing.

lol. He knows nothing about microcars yet tells someone that knows of
many with simpler suspension systems etc etc. Idiot.

I don't know anything about pedal cars either. Or Sinclair C5s. Or any
other things you try and muddy the water with.

Unless you consider the Ford Anglia which started this discussion a micro
car. Nothing would surprise me with you.

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On Sunday, 24 February 2019 15:10:03 UTC, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
tabbypurr wrote:

Thanks for confirming you are guessing.

lol. He knows nothing about microcars yet tells someone that knows of
many with simpler suspension systems etc etc. Idiot.

I don't know anything about pedal cars either. Or Sinclair C5s.

not relevant

Or any
other things you try and muddy the water with.

Odd, I don't recall muddying the waters with anything at all.

Unless you consider the Ford Anglia which started this discussion a micro
car. Nothing would surprise me with you.

so more bs. When you don't have a clue, telling others they don't have a clue is not a solution. Unless your aim is to play the fool.


NT

Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

[Austin 1800]

Did it have problems with the driveshaft to hub splines on one side only?

I remember there being some sort of disturbing vibration with a
reasonable amount of lock, especially pulling off with the
caravan behind. In the end, whilst on holiday, I took it into a
garage in North Berwick and they changed the CV joints.

Chris
--
Chris J Dixon Nottingham UK


Plant amazing Acers.

On 24/02/2019 12:47, F wrote:
On 22/02/2019 19:59, ARW wrote:
On 21/02/2019 18:15, F wrote:
On 19/02/2019 22:21, Andy Burns wrote:
F wrote:

The VSL cameras are also operating when the display is showing
national speed limit. They're not turned off and so will catch
anyone ignoring the NSL.

There's been a big dose of "fake news" from social media regarding
smart
motorways and speed cameras recently ...

But this isn't fake news: I've seen them flash.



But at what speed? They do not get me at 86MPH

:-)

It was M62 at Hartshead Moor on the opposite carriageway so difficult to
judge speed. I would have thought 80+.



Might have been the one that overtook me when I was doing 86MPH:-)

--
Adam

On Thu, 21 Feb 2019 18:15:22 +0000, F wrote:

The VSL cameras are also operating when the display is showing
national speed limit. They're not turned off and so will catch
anyone
ignoring the NSL.

There's been a big dose of "fake news" from social media regarding

smart motorways and speed cameras recently ...

But this isn't fake news: I've seen them flash.

Didn't think the per lane VSL cameras flashed but as most of the
motorway driving I do isn't on "smart" motorways could be wrong. The
"ordinary" cameras bolted to the sides uprights of the gantries do
flash.

--
Cheers
Dave.

On 04/03/2019 17:12, Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Thu, 21 Feb 2019 18:15:22 +0000, F wrote:

The VSL cameras are also operating when the display is showing
national speed limit. They're not turned off and so will catch
anyone
ignoring the NSL.

There's been a big dose of "fake news" from social media regarding

smart motorways and speed cameras recently ...

But this isn't fake news: I've seen them flash.

Didn't think the per lane VSL cameras flashed but as most of the
motorway driving I do isn't on "smart" motorways could be wrong. The
"ordinary" cameras bolted to the sides uprights of the gantries do
flash.



It's not going to take long for me to find out:-)

--
Adam

Dave Liquorice wrote:

Didn't think the per lane VSL cameras flashed but as most of the
motorway driving I do isn't on "smart" motorways could be wrong.

I've certainly seen the HADECS3 gantry cameras give the double-flash in
a "smart" section, but I've only seen that happen when a non-NSL speed
is displayed.

On 04/03/2019 21:20, Andy Burns wrote:
Dave Liquorice wrote:

Didn't think the per lane VSL cameras flashed but as most of the
motorway driving I do isn't on "smart" motorways could be wrong.

I've certainly seen the HADECS3 gantry cameras give the double-flash in
a "smart" section, but I've only seen that happen when a non-NSL speed
is displayed.

The gantry was showing NSL when I saw the flash. It looks like there's
some inconsistency in the way they're set up. And just to keep on-topic,
it was a BMW that was flashed.

--
F

In article ,
F news@nowhere wrote:
On 04/03/2019 21:20, Andy Burns wrote:
Dave Liquorice wrote:

Didn't think the per lane VSL cameras flashed but as most of the
motorway driving I do isn't on "smart" motorways could be wrong.

I've certainly seen the HADECS3 gantry cameras give the double-flash in
a "smart" section, but I've only seen that happen when a non-NSL speed
is displayed.

The gantry was showing NSL when I saw the flash. It looks like there's
some inconsistency in the way they're set up. And just to keep on-topic,
it was a BMW that was flashed.


NSL is 70mph. If the BMW was doing more than that it might have beeen
flashed.

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On 05/03/2019 11:04, charles wrote:
In article ,
F news@nowhere wrote:
On 04/03/2019 21:20, Andy Burns wrote:
Dave Liquorice wrote:

Didn't think the per lane VSL cameras flashed but as most of the
motorway driving I do isn't on "smart" motorways could be wrong.

I've certainly seen the HADECS3 gantry cameras give the double-flash in
a "smart" section, but I've only seen that happen when a non-NSL speed
is displayed.

The gantry was showing NSL when I saw the flash. It looks like there's
some inconsistency in the way they're set up. And just to keep on-topic,
it was a BMW that was flashed.


NSL is 70mph. If the BMW was doing more than that it might have beeen
flashed.

It was doing more than 70mph (NSL showing on the gantry): that's why it
was flashed.

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F