On Friday, 25 November 2016 10:43:20 UTC, Ian Jackson wrote:
In message ,
Muddymike writes
On 25/11/2016 09:42, tabbypurr wrote:

Most cars have only one size that will fit it

they don't of course

- unless you're
stupid enough to fit a smaller one and have it rattling around.

car batteries don't rattle around, even if for some reason you forget
to fix them in place.

I have seen first hand the devastating results of a car battery that
was not clamped in.

Cars certainly used to be capable of accommodating (within reason)
batteries of different sizes. My wife's Citroen C1 is fitted with a tiny
battery, but has provision for one about 50% longer.

An unclamped battery is obviously free to move around, but its movement
is often constrained by what surrounds if and the power leads. While I
certainly don't recommend it, you might be able to drive for years
without anything untoward happening.

Low performance vehicles don't need battery clamps to be functional. I've driven more than one vehicle that had no provision for any sort of battery clamping. Of course they're a hazard in a crash, that's primarily why cars now have the clamps.


NT

On Friday, 25 November 2016 11:22:58 UTC, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
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Muddymike wrote:

car batteries don't rattle around, even if for some reason you forget
to fix them in place.

I have seen first hand the devastating results of a car battery that was
not clamped in.

Very true. It's even something which is checked at MOT time.

for some vague value of checked.

The only battery type other than the correct one which is likely to fit
the space is a smaller one. And depending on clamp type may not be
possible to secure it.

Fitting a different sized battery should only be done by someone who knows
what they're doing. Which seems to rule out many on here.

It was done all the time when scrapyards were common. It's hardly difficult.


NT

On Wed, 9 Nov 2016 03:33:16 -0800 (PST), Simon Mason
wrote:

On Wednesday, 9 November 2016 11:10:58 UTC, Muddymike wrote:

Dont trust Halfords. They sold an elderly neighbour a new battery, a few
days later that was also flat. The problem was a loose fan belt!

I walked in Halfords two years ago, selected the most expensive battery with the highest power rating and they fitted it - all for £105.


Crikey - you are really well off: we are very impressed.

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Low performance vehicles don't need battery clamps to be functional.
I've driven more than one vehicle that had no provision for any sort of
battery clamping. Of course they're a hazard in a crash, that's
primarily why cars now have the clamps.

"Now"? My first car (1964) was a 1953 Ford Prefect. I'm pretty sure that
its battery was secured (was it in a box compartment?) - and I'm
definitely sure that all my subsequent cars had clamps or similar ways
of securing the battery. It's unthinkable that they wouldn't.

--
Ian

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wrote:
On Friday, 25 November 2016 11:22:58 UTC, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
tabbypurr wrote:
On Wednesday, 23 November 2016 00:59:33 UTC, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
tabbypurr wrote:
On Wednesday, 9 November 2016 15:46:48 UTC, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,

I walked in Halfords two years ago, selected the most expensive
battery with the highest power rating and they fitted it - all for
£105.

Was this for your milkfloat? Most cars will only take one size of
battery.

That's never been my experience. Current wheels is on its 3rd
battery, each of different capacity.

Think you haven't read what was said. About selecting the most
expensive and highest current rating battery Halfords stocked and
having it fitted by them.

then you thought wrong

I'll give you 100 quid if the most expensive/highest capacity battery
that Halfords sell will fit either of my cars.

With respect what Halfords sell is of no relevance.

Do you actually read the posts you're replying to?

Most cars have only one size that will fit it

they don't of course

In which case there's no need for the vast number of different types,
then. You simply buy any you fancy and fit it.

A completely illogical and nonsensical conclusion from the reality that
one can often fit a battery of different size to the original.

I'd guess your definition of 'fit' might be different to others.

- unless you're stupid enough to fit a smaller one and have it
rattling around.

car batteries don't rattle around, even if for some reason you
forget to fix them in place.

Only one with no knowledge of cars would think all fixings are the
same and will work with any battery.

No-one has proposed such, as if you brain were functioning you'd well
know.

It's exactly what you said by replying to my post.

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In article ,
wrote:
An unclamped battery is obviously free to move around, but its
movement is often constrained by what surrounds if and the power
leads. While I certainly don't recommend it, you might be able to
drive for years without anything untoward happening.

Low performance vehicles don't need battery clamps to be functional.
I've driven more than one vehicle that had no provision for any sort of
battery clamping. Of course they're a hazard in a crash, that's
primarily why cars now have the clamps.

Thanks for confirming you're a danger on the roads.

I've yet to see any production car of any age where the battery isn't
secured, as supplied by the factory.

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In article ,
Ian Jackson wrote:
In message ,
writes



Low performance vehicles don't need battery clamps to be functional.
I've driven more than one vehicle that had no provision for any sort of
battery clamping. Of course they're a hazard in a crash, that's
primarily why cars now have the clamps.

"Now"? My first car (1964) was a 1953 Ford Prefect. I'm pretty sure that
its battery was secured (was it in a box compartment?) - and I'm
definitely sure that all my subsequent cars had clamps or similar ways
of securing the battery. It's unthinkable that they wouldn't.

Of course. Having the battery rattling around is so silly I'm surprised
that even Mr Purr thinks it OK.

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On Saturday, 26 November 2016 00:59:25 UTC, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
tabbypurr wrote:
On Friday, 25 November 2016 11:22:58 UTC, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
tabbypurr wrote:
On Wednesday, 23 November 2016 00:59:33 UTC, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
tabbypurr wrote:
On Wednesday, 9 November 2016 15:46:48 UTC, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,

I walked in Halfords two years ago, selected the most expensive
battery with the highest power rating and they fitted it - all for
£105.

Was this for your milkfloat? Most cars will only take one size of
battery.

That's never been my experience. Current wheels is on its 3rd
battery, each of different capacity.

Think you haven't read what was said. About selecting the most
expensive and highest current rating battery Halfords stocked and
having it fitted by them.

then you thought wrong

I'll give you 100 quid if the most expensive/highest capacity battery
that Halfords sell will fit either of my cars.

With respect what Halfords sell is of no relevance.

Do you actually read the posts you're replying to?

Most cars have only one size that will fit it

they don't of course

In which case there's no need for the vast number of different types,
then. You simply buy any you fancy and fit it.

A completely illogical and nonsensical conclusion from the reality that
one can often fit a battery of different size to the original.

I'd guess your definition of 'fit' might be different to others.

- unless you're stupid enough to fit a smaller one and have it
rattling around.

car batteries don't rattle around, even if for some reason you
forget to fix them in place.

Only one with no knowledge of cars would think all fixings are the
same and will work with any battery.

No-one has proposed such, as if you brain were functioning you'd well
know.

It's exactly what you said by replying to my post.

I see any discussion with you is pointless.

On Saturday, 26 November 2016 01:09:29 UTC, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
tabbypurr wrote:

An unclamped battery is obviously free to move around, but its
movement is often constrained by what surrounds if and the power
leads. While I certainly don't recommend it, you might be able to
drive for years without anything untoward happening.

Low performance vehicles don't need battery clamps to be functional.
I've driven more than one vehicle that had no provision for any sort of
battery clamping. Of course they're a hazard in a crash, that's
primarily why cars now have the clamps.

Thanks for confirming you're a danger on the roads.

I've yet to see any production car of any age where the battery isn't
secured, as supplied by the factory.

Of course. Having the battery rattling around is so silly I'm surprised
that even Mr Purr thinks it OK.

If you learn a bit more about cars you'll find there are lots of old cars with no provision for a battery clamp. They tend to be prized rather than called silly. I have no problem with having driven some pieces of history, and far from your assertion that such is a danger, classic cars in fact have a better safety record on the road than modern ones. It appears that paradox and its explanation are things you know nothing about.


NT

On 25/11/16 22:18, Ian Jackson wrote:
In message ,
writes



Low performance vehicles don't need battery clamps to be functional.
I've driven more than one vehicle that had no provision for any sort
of battery clamping. Of course they're a hazard in a crash, that's
primarily why cars now have the clamps.

"Now"? My first car (1964) was a 1953 Ford Prefect. I'm pretty sure that
its battery was secured (was it in a box compartment?) - and I'm
definitely sure that all my subsequent cars had clamps or similar ways
of securing the battery. It's unthinkable that they wouldn't.

OTOH I've bought many a second hand one where the clamps were missing
and how they attached was not obvious, to the point where you might be
forgiven for thinking they didn't have any.



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In article ,
wrote:
If you learn a bit more about cars you'll find there are lots of old
cars with no provision for a battery clamp. They tend to be prized
rather than called silly. I have no problem with having driven some
pieces of history, and far from your assertion that such is a danger,
classic cars in fact have a better safety record on the road than modern
ones. It appears that paradox and its explanation are things you know
nothing about.

Please give an actual example of a production car supplied with no battery
clamp. Should be very easy for you since they are so common in your
experience.

The first car I owned was a 1954 MG Magnette. Which had a battery clamp.
And all the many I've owned since have a method of securing the battery
too.

--
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Dave Plowman London SW
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In article ,
wrote:
On Saturday, 26 November 2016 00:59:25 UTC, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
tabbypurr wrote:
On Friday, 25 November 2016 11:22:58 UTC, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
tabbypurr wrote:
On Wednesday, 23 November 2016 00:59:33 UTC, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
tabbypurr wrote:
On Wednesday, 9 November 2016 15:46:48 UTC, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,

I walked in Halfords two years ago, selected the most expensive
battery with the highest power rating and they fitted it - all for
£105.

Was this for your milkfloat? Most cars will only take one size of
battery.

That's never been my experience. Current wheels is on its 3rd
battery, each of different capacity.

Think you haven't read what was said. About selecting the most
expensive and highest current rating battery Halfords stocked and
having it fitted by them.

then you thought wrong

I'll give you 100 quid if the most expensive/highest capacity battery
that Halfords sell will fit either of my cars.

With respect what Halfords sell is of no relevance.

Do you actually read the posts you're replying to?

Most cars have only one size that will fit it

they don't of course

In which case there's no need for the vast number of different types,
then. You simply buy any you fancy and fit it.

A completely illogical and nonsensical conclusion from the reality that
one can often fit a battery of different size to the original.

I'd guess your definition of 'fit' might be different to others.

- unless you're stupid enough to fit a smaller one and have it
rattling around.

car batteries don't rattle around, even if for some reason you
forget to fix them in place.

Only one with no knowledge of cars would think all fixings are the
same and will work with any battery.

No-one has proposed such, as if you brain were functioning you'd well
know.

It's exactly what you said by replying to my post.

I see any discussion with you is pointless.

It is if you choose to ignore points in a thread. And reply to something
you've invented.

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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
wrote:
If you learn a bit more about cars you'll find there are lots of old
cars with no provision for a battery clamp. They tend to be prized
rather than called silly. I have no problem with having driven some
pieces of history, and far from your assertion that such is a danger,
classic cars in fact have a better safety record on the road than modern
ones. It appears that paradox and its explanation are things you know
nothing about.

Please give an actual example of a production car supplied with no battery
clamp. Should be very easy for you since they are so common in your
experience.

The only one I can think of is an old Mini where the battery simply dropped
into a box in the boot.

On 26/11/16 12:03, bm wrote:
"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
wrote:
If you learn a bit more about cars you'll find there are lots of old
cars with no provision for a battery clamp. They tend to be prized
rather than called silly. I have no problem with having driven some
pieces of history, and far from your assertion that such is a danger,
classic cars in fact have a better safety record on the road than modern
ones. It appears that paradox and its explanation are things you know
nothing about.

Please give an actual example of a production car supplied with no battery
clamp. Should be very easy for you since they are so common in your
experience.

The only one I can think of is an old Mini where the battery simply dropped
into a box in the boot.


I am fairly sure there was a clamp there as well of some sort



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On Sat, 26 Nov 2016 11:37:15 +0000, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

The first car I owned was a 1954 MG Magnette. Which had a battery clamp.
And all the many I've owned since have a method of securing the battery
too.

I've had scores of cars over the decades and most of them had unsecured
batteries for whatever reason. It has never caused me the slightest
difficulty.

On 26/11/16 14:38, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Sat, 26 Nov 2016 11:37:15 +0000, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

The first car I owned was a 1954 MG Magnette. Which had a battery clamp.
And all the many I've owned since have a method of securing the battery
too.

I've had scores of cars over the decades and most of them had unsecured
batteries for whatever reason. It has never caused me the slightest
difficulty.

Well yes and no., They do flap around if you are an enthusiastic driver,
and I did have one short itself momentarily and cut the engine..

Since I ran out of scrapyards in those days it was never hard to find a
replacement clamp.


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diverted our attention away from what really matters to our existential
survival, to indulging in navel gazing and faux moral investigations
into what the world ought to be, whilst we fail utterly to deal with
what it actually is.

On Saturday, 26 November 2016 11:17:15 UTC, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 25/11/16 22:18, Ian Jackson wrote:
In message ,
tabbypurr writes



Low performance vehicles don't need battery clamps to be functional.
I've driven more than one vehicle that had no provision for any sort
of battery clamping. Of course they're a hazard in a crash, that's
primarily why cars now have the clamps.

"Now"? My first car (1964) was a 1953 Ford Prefect. I'm pretty sure that
its battery was secured (was it in a box compartment?) - and I'm
definitely sure that all my subsequent cars had clamps or similar ways
of securing the battery. It's unthinkable that they wouldn't.

OTOH I've bought many a second hand one where the clamps were missing
and how they attached was not obvious, to the point where you might be
forgiven for thinking they didn't have any.

Ah, the little rectangular washers down the bottom.


NT

On Saturday, 26 November 2016 11:43:15 UTC, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
tabbypurr wrote:

If you learn a bit more about cars you'll find there are lots of old
cars with no provision for a battery clamp. They tend to be prized
rather than called silly. I have no problem with having driven some
pieces of history, and far from your assertion that such is a danger,
classic cars in fact have a better safety record on the road than modern
ones. It appears that paradox and its explanation are things you know
nothing about.

Please give an actual example of a production car supplied with no battery
clamp. Should be very easy for you since they are so common in your
experience.

Lada Riva. Commer walkthrough.

The first car I owned was a 1954 MG Magnette. Which had a battery clamp.
And all the many I've owned since have a method of securing the battery
too.

But older ones don't, and some post 54 ones don't.


NT

On Saturday, 26 November 2016 14:52:58 UTC, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 26/11/16 14:38, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Sat, 26 Nov 2016 11:37:15 +0000, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

The first car I owned was a 1954 MG Magnette. Which had a battery clamp.
And all the many I've owned since have a method of securing the battery
too.

I've had scores of cars over the decades and most of them had unsecured
batteries for whatever reason. It has never caused me the slightest
difficulty.

Well yes and no., They do flap around if you are an enthusiastic driver,
and I did have one short itself momentarily and cut the engine..

Historic cars and manic driving tend not to mix, at least not with the sort I like.


NT

wrote
Dave Plowman (News) wrote
tabbypurr wrote

If you learn a bit more about cars you'll find there are lots of old
cars with no provision for a battery clamp. They tend to be prized
rather than called silly. I have no problem with having driven some
pieces of history, and far from your assertion that such is a danger,
classic cars in fact have a better safety record on the road than modern
ones. It appears that paradox and its explanation are things you know
nothing about.

Please give an actual example of a production car supplied with no
battery
clamp. Should be very easy for you since they are so common in your
experience.

Lada Riva.

Dont believe that there is no battery clamp on the bottom of this battery.
http://www.newoldcar.co.uk/images/Fe...%20Bay%202.JPG

Commer walkthrough.

The first car I owned was a 1954 MG Magnette. Which had a battery clamp.
And all the many I've owned since have a method of securing the battery
too.

But older ones don't, and some post 54 ones don't.

On 26/11/2016 12:08, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 26/11/16 12:03, bm wrote:

The only one I can think of is an old Mini where the battery simply
dropped
into a box in the boot.


I am fairly sure there was a clamp there as well of some sort



My 1976 Mini had a bar bolted over the battery.

Andy

On 26/11/2016 01:03, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Ian Jackson wrote:
In message ,
writes



Low performance vehicles don't need battery clamps to be functional.
I've driven more than one vehicle that had no provision for any sort of
battery clamping. Of course they're a hazard in a crash, that's
primarily why cars now have the clamps.

"Now"? My first car (1964) was a 1953 Ford Prefect. I'm pretty sure that
its battery was secured (was it in a box compartment?) - and I'm
definitely sure that all my subsequent cars had clamps or similar ways
of securing the battery. It's unthinkable that they wouldn't.

Of course. Having the battery rattling around is so silly I'm surprised
that even Mr Purr thinks it OK.


and does represent a very real and likely danger of unfused battery
leads causing a dead short across the battery, I thought that must be
legislated against?

On 25/11/2016 15:01, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
MrCheerful wrote:
I have seen first hand the devastating results of a car battery that
was not clamped in.

Mike


An overtall one is fun when you slam the bonnet on its posts.

Recently, a rather nice classic was destroyed by fire. The incorrect
battery was used - the terminals reversed from the correct one, but
otherwise the same sort of size. So it was reversed physically so the
correct lead would reach to the terminals. And sadly the bonnet edge lip
now contacted the 'live' terminal.


If only the battery had internal fuses.

On Sunday, 27 November 2016 20:23:27 UTC, Rod Speed wrote:
tabbypurr wrote
Dave Plowman (News) wrote
tabbypurr wrote

If you learn a bit more about cars you'll find there are lots of old
cars with no provision for a battery clamp. They tend to be prized
rather than called silly. I have no problem with having driven some
pieces of history, and far from your assertion that such is a danger,
classic cars in fact have a better safety record on the road than modern
ones. It appears that paradox and its explanation are things you know
nothing about.

Please give an actual example of a production car supplied with no
battery
clamp. Should be very easy for you since they are so common in your
experience.

Lada Riva.

Dont believe that there is no battery clamp on the bottom of this battery.
http://www.newoldcar.co.uk/images/Fe...%20Bay%202.JPG

Commer walkthrough.

The first car I owned was a 1954 MG Magnette. Which had a battery clamp.
And all the many I've owned since have a method of securing the battery
too.

But older ones don't, and some post 54 ones don't.

The Riva was made since 1967.


NT

In article ,
wrote:
On Saturday, 26 November 2016 11:43:15 UTC, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
tabbypurr wrote:

If you learn a bit more about cars you'll find there are lots of old
cars with no provision for a battery clamp. They tend to be prized
rather than called silly. I have no problem with having driven some
pieces of history, and far from your assertion that such is a
danger, classic cars in fact have a better safety record on the road
than modern ones. It appears that paradox and its explanation are
things you know nothing about.

Please give an actual example of a production car supplied with no
battery clamp. Should be very easy for you since they are so common in
your experience.

Lada Riva.

I find that even harder to believe - a car made specifically for pot holed
roads. Lead acid batteries don't take kindly to being bashed around.

Commer walkthrough.

I did say production car.

The first car I owned was a 1954 MG Magnette. Which had a battery
clamp. And all the many I've owned since have a method of securing the
battery too.

But older ones don't, and some post 54 ones don't.

I personally have never seen any car where the battery isn't secured. All
it would need is one accident where the car rolled over and the battery
started a fire to convince even the most stupid maker it was essential.

But luckily they wouldn't be on the road these days anyway because it
would never pass an MOT.

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On Monday, 28 November 2016 00:34:20 UTC, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
tabbypurr wrote:
On Saturday, 26 November 2016 11:43:15 UTC, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
tabbypurr wrote:

If you learn a bit more about cars you'll find there are lots of old
cars with no provision for a battery clamp. They tend to be prized
rather than called silly. I have no problem with having driven some
pieces of history, and far from your assertion that such is a
danger, classic cars in fact have a better safety record on the road
than modern ones. It appears that paradox and its explanation are
things you know nothing about.

Please give an actual example of a production car supplied with no
battery clamp. Should be very easy for you since they are so common in
your experience.

Lada Riva.

I find that even harder to believe - a car made specifically for pot holed
roads. Lead acid batteries don't take kindly to being bashed around.

they don't get bashed about, they sit in a tray and don't come out.

Commer walkthrough.

I did say production car.

I can't think of any reason to limit it to cars.

The first car I owned was a 1954 MG Magnette. Which had a battery
clamp. And all the many I've owned since have a method of securing the
battery too.

But older ones don't, and some post 54 ones don't.

I personally have never seen any car where the battery isn't secured. All
it would need is one accident where the car rolled over and the battery
started a fire to convince even the most stupid maker it was essential.

But luckily they wouldn't be on the road these days anyway because it
would never pass an MOT.

With respect historic cars are MOT exempt. If you're unhappy about an unclamped battery you'll wet yourself over the more serious issues such cars have. And yet their accident record is better, not worse, but you still object.


NT

On Mon, 28 Nov 2016 00:32:12 +0000 (GMT)
"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote:

In article ,
wrote:
On Saturday, 26 November 2016 11:43:15 UTC, Dave Plowman (News)
wrote:
In article
,
tabbypurr wrote:

If you learn a bit more about cars you'll find there are lots
of old cars with no provision for a battery clamp. They tend to
be prized rather than called silly. I have no problem with
having driven some pieces of history, and far from your
assertion that such is a danger, classic cars in fact have a
better safety record on the road than modern ones. It appears
that paradox and its explanation are things you know nothing
about.

Please give an actual example of a production car supplied with no
battery clamp. Should be very easy for you since they are so
common in your experience.

Lada Riva.

I find that even harder to believe - a car made specifically for pot
holed roads. Lead acid batteries don't take kindly to being bashed
around.

Commer walkthrough.

I did say production car.

The first car I owned was a 1954 MG Magnette. Which had a battery
clamp. And all the many I've owned since have a method of
securing the battery too.

But older ones don't, and some post 54 ones don't.

I personally have never seen any car where the battery isn't secured.
All it would need is one accident where the car rolled over and the
battery started a fire to convince even the most stupid maker it was
essential.

But luckily they wouldn't be on the road these days anyway because it
would never pass an MOT.


Back in my student days, so circa. 1970, we bought a Bradford van from
a scrapyard. After massively shimming the very worn kingpins, we took it
a garage which was reputed to be friendly to older vehicles, for its
MOT. One rear light didn't work, so we hit it, and it came on. The
tester put his Tapley brake meter on the passenger seat, then drove
across the forecourt and braked, and the seat folded up and threw his
meter on the floor. He set it up again on the floor, repeated the test,
and as he walked back to the office, we saw battery acid dripping onto
the concrete, as the unsecured battery had shifted as he braked. While
we righted the battery, he wrote out the 'Pass' certificate.
The van was almost lethal to drive, but the engine, a
horizontally-opposed twin, was phenomenal, it would run so slowly that
you could count the firings, and still pull.

Them wuz the days.

--
Davey.

On 27/11/2016 19:48, wrote:
On Saturday, 26 November 2016 11:43:15 UTC, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
tabbypurr wrote:

If you learn a bit more about cars you'll find there are lots of old
cars with no provision for a battery clamp. They tend to be prized
rather than called silly. I have no problem with having driven some
pieces of history, and far from your assertion that such is a danger,
classic cars in fact have a better safety record on the road than modern
ones. It appears that paradox and its explanation are things you know
nothing about.

Please give an actual example of a production car supplied with no battery
clamp. Should be very easy for you since they are so common in your
experience.

Lada Riva. Commer walkthrough.

The Lada Riva battery was secured by J bolts and a bit of pressed angle
steel with two nuts.

Here is a picture of the engine bay of one:
http://www.origo.hu/auto/20111202-la...uplateszt.html

So, any examples of a production car with no battery clamping
arrangements as standard (as opposed to just left off)?

A loose battery in a car represents real and significant danger.

On Monday, 28 November 2016 08:56:27 UTC, MrCheerful wrote:
On 27/11/2016 19:48, tabbypurr wrote:
On Saturday, 26 November 2016 11:43:15 UTC, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
tabbypurr wrote:

If you learn a bit more about cars you'll find there are lots of old
cars with no provision for a battery clamp. They tend to be prized
rather than called silly. I have no problem with having driven some
pieces of history, and far from your assertion that such is a danger,
classic cars in fact have a better safety record on the road than modern
ones. It appears that paradox and its explanation are things you know
nothing about.

Please give an actual example of a production car supplied with no battery
clamp. Should be very easy for you since they are so common in your
experience.

Lada Riva. Commer walkthrough.

The Lada Riva battery was secured by J bolts and a bit of pressed angle
steel with two nuts.

Here is a picture of the engine bay of one:
http://www.origo.hu/auto/20111202-la...uplateszt.html

So, any examples of a production car with no battery clamping
arrangements as standard (as opposed to just left off)?

A loose battery in a car represents real and significant danger.

there is more than one version of those Ladas.

The lack of crumple zones, airbags or ABS and iffy cornering are more serious risks of course. Funny how people get things out of proportion.


NT

In article ,
wrote:
I find that even harder to believe - a car made specifically for pot
holed roads. Lead acid batteries don't take kindly to being bashed
around.

they don't get bashed about, they sit in a tray and don't come out.

Anything which merely sits on something is going to bounce up and down in
a car.

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In article ,
MrCheerful wrote:
Lada Riva. Commer walkthrough.

The Lada Riva battery was secured by J bolts and a bit of pressed angle
steel with two nuts.

Here is a picture of the engine bay of one:
http://www.origo.hu/auto/20111202-la...uplateszt.html

Thanks for that. If ever a car needed a secure battery it would be
something like a Riva. Where the original Fiat shell was strengthened for
poor Russian roads.

So, any examples of a production car with no battery clamping
arrangements as standard (as opposed to just left off)?

A loose battery in a car represents real and significant danger.

Very odd Mr Purr is so concerned with battery charger safety yet happy to
drive around in a potentially lethal vehicle.

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In article ,
wrote:
A loose battery in a car represents real and significant danger.

there is more than one version of those Ladas.

Yes. As designed, and the banger you saw. If indeed you did see one with
no battery clamping.

The lack of crumple zones, airbags or ABS and iffy cornering are more
serious risks of course. Funny how people get things out of proportion.

Right. So let's just add yet another hazard. Very logical that.

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On 28/11/2016 10:14, wrote:
On Monday, 28 November 2016 08:56:27 UTC, MrCheerful wrote:
On 27/11/2016 19:48, tabbypurr wrote:
On Saturday, 26 November 2016 11:43:15 UTC, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
tabbypurr wrote:

If you learn a bit more about cars you'll find there are lots of old
cars with no provision for a battery clamp. They tend to be prized
rather than called silly. I have no problem with having driven some
pieces of history, and far from your assertion that such is a danger,
classic cars in fact have a better safety record on the road than modern
ones. It appears that paradox and its explanation are things you know
nothing about.

Please give an actual example of a production car supplied with no battery
clamp. Should be very easy for you since they are so common in your
experience.

Lada Riva. Commer walkthrough.

The Lada Riva battery was secured by J bolts and a bit of pressed angle
steel with two nuts.

Here is a picture of the engine bay of one:
http://www.origo.hu/auto/20111202-la...uplateszt.html

So, any examples of a production car with no battery clamping
arrangements as standard (as opposed to just left off)?

A loose battery in a car represents real and significant danger.

there is more than one version of those Ladas.

The lack of crumple zones, airbags or ABS and iffy cornering are more serious risks of course. Funny how people get things out of proportion.


NT

The Lada Riva was an old Fiat design, every model would have had battery
retainers as standard.

So what production cars have no battery retention as standard?

It was you that cited a battery caused fire as being a terrible hazard,
yet you think that a loose battery is not? What about those big fat
leads chafing through?

You really should stick to one train of thought at a time, accidental
battery discharge is hazardous, or not. Which is it?

On Monday, 28 November 2016 11:08:21 UTC, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
MrCheerful wrote:
Lada Riva. Commer walkthrough.

The Lada Riva battery was secured by J bolts and a bit of pressed angle
steel with two nuts.

Here is a picture of the engine bay of one:
http://www.origo.hu/auto/20111202-la...uplateszt.html

Thanks for that. If ever a car needed a secure battery it would be
something like a Riva. Where the original Fiat shell was strengthened for
poor Russian roads.

It might be they just didn't fit one. The way Lada imports worked it was normal to need to do remedial work on the vehicles before sale.


So, any examples of a production car with no battery clamping
arrangements as standard (as opposed to just left off)?

A loose battery in a car represents real and significant danger.

Very odd Mr Purr is so concerned with battery charger safety

obviously I'm not. But keep up the bs

yet happy to
drive around in a potentially lethal vehicle.

All vehicles are potentially lethal. Odd that you haven't worked that out.


NT

On Monday, 28 November 2016 11:08:22 UTC, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
tabbypurr wrote:
A loose battery in a car represents real and significant danger.

there is more than one version of those Ladas.

Yes. As designed, and the banger you saw. If indeed you did see one with
no battery clamping.

It was hardly a banger. Not that facts worry you.

The lack of crumple zones, airbags or ABS and iffy cornering are more
serious risks of course. Funny how people get things out of proportion.

Right. So let's just add yet another hazard. Very logical that.

That doesn't even make sense. You're in any crap you can throw mode now.


NT

"MrCheerful" wrote in message
...
On 27/11/2016 19:48, wrote:
On Saturday, 26 November 2016 11:43:15 UTC, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
tabbypurr wrote:

If you learn a bit more about cars you'll find there are lots of old
cars with no provision for a battery clamp. They tend to be prized
rather than called silly. I have no problem with having driven some
pieces of history, and far from your assertion that such is a danger,
classic cars in fact have a better safety record on the road than
modern
ones. It appears that paradox and its explanation are things you know
nothing about.

Please give an actual example of a production car supplied with no
battery
clamp. Should be very easy for you since they are so common in your
experience.

Lada Riva. Commer walkthrough.

The Lada Riva battery was secured by J bolts and a bit of pressed angle
steel with two nuts.

Here is a picture of the engine bay of one:
http://www.origo.hu/auto/20111202-la...uplateszt.html

That is a quite recent Lada Riva tho.

So, any examples of a production car with no battery clamping arrangements
as standard (as opposed to just left off)?

A loose battery in a car represents real and significant danger.

In article ,
wrote:
On Monday, 28 November 2016 11:08:22 UTC, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
tabbypurr wrote:
A loose battery in a car represents real and significant danger.

there is more than one version of those Ladas.

Yes. As designed, and the banger you saw. If indeed you did see one
with no battery clamping.

It was hardly a banger. Not that facts worry you.

The lack of crumple zones, airbags or ABS and iffy cornering are
more serious risks of course. Funny how people get things out of
proportion.

Right. So let's just add yet another hazard. Very logical that.

That doesn't even make sense. You're in any crap you can throw mode now.

When someone is proved wrong then goes on to say 'and what about this'
(iffy cornering or whatever) it simply shows them up as a bad loser.

No vehicle is ever perfectly safe. But thinking it OK to allow something
silly like a battery which isn't secured is just plain nonsense. And that
was known long before ABS or crumple zones where thought of.

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On Tuesday, 29 November 2016 00:38:27 UTC, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
tabbypurr wrote:
On Monday, 28 November 2016 11:08:22 UTC, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
tabbypurr wrote:

The lack of crumple zones, airbags or ABS and iffy cornering are
more serious risks of course. Funny how people get things out of
proportion.

Right. So let's just add yet another hazard. Very logical that.

That doesn't even make sense. You're in any crap you can throw mode now.

When someone is proved wrong then goes on to say 'and what about this'
(iffy cornering or whatever) it simply shows them up as a bad loser.

So you missed the point and drew childish conclusions. What's new.

No vehicle is ever perfectly safe.

No road going vehicle is safe at all.

But thinking it OK to allow something
silly like a battery which isn't secured is just plain nonsense. And that
was known long before ABS or crumple zones where thought of.

Well I won't repeat my point, since you completely failed to grasp it last time. But I think it's fair to say many relics on the road have far larger issues than that, yet lower than average death stats. But I don't think you'll undertand that.


NT

In article ,
wrote:
Right. So let's just add yet another hazard. Very logical that.

That doesn't even make sense. You're in any crap you can throw mode now.

When someone is proved wrong then goes on to say 'and what about this'
(iffy cornering or whatever) it simply shows them up as a bad loser.

So you missed the point and drew childish conclusions. What's new.

I didn't miss any point. You just threw in some red herrings after you'd
been shown to be talking ****e.

No vehicle is ever perfectly safe.

No road going vehicle is safe at all.

OK. So lets just add in a few more things to make it worse. You just know
it makes sense.

But thinking it OK to allow something silly like a battery which isn't
secured is just plain nonsense. And that was known long before ABS or
crumple zones where thought of.

Well I won't repeat my point, since you completely failed to grasp it
last time. But I think it's fair to say many relics on the road have far
larger issues than that, yet lower than average death stats. But I don't
think you'll undertand that.

And you think that somehow down to the vehicle design? Any other stupid
beliefs you have that need sorting?

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Dave Plowman London SW
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On Tuesday, 29 November 2016 14:28:02 UTC, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
tabbypurr wrote:

Right. So let's just add yet another hazard. Very logical that.

That doesn't even make sense. You're in any crap you can throw mode now.

When someone is proved wrong then goes on to say 'and what about this'
(iffy cornering or whatever) it simply shows them up as a bad loser.

So you missed the point and drew childish conclusions. What's new.

I didn't miss any point. You just threw in some red herrings after you'd
been shown to be talking ****e.

OK, so you understand not a whole lot here

No vehicle is ever perfectly safe.

No road going vehicle is safe at all.

OK. So lets just add in a few more things to make it worse.

that makes no sense

You just know
it makes sense.

But thinking it OK to allow something silly like a battery which isn't
secured is just plain nonsense. And that was known long before ABS or
crumple zones where thought of.

Well I won't repeat my point, since you completely failed to grasp it
last time. But I think it's fair to say many relics on the road have far
larger issues than that, yet lower than average death stats. But I don't
think you'll undertand that.

And you think that somehow down to the vehicle design?

I won't ask what idiocy you imagine I believe this time. I don't care.

Any other stupid
beliefs you have that need sorting?

Yes, that you're worth talking to. Plonk.