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On Thursday, 10 November 2016 16:22:12 UTC, Andrew wrote:


*Avoid* Halfords unless you are desperate.

Or if it is between 1700-2000.
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On 10/11/2016 08:52, charles wrote:
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On 09/11/2016 19:51, charles wrote:
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On 08/11/2016 21:45, DICEGEORGE wrote:
Car needs a new battery (drove it Saturday, wouldn't start Tuesday)
Do I just key in the existing one into ebay and buy the cheapest,
or
go into town to Halfords, or is there a better or cheaper battery?

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Type-027-C...25.m3641.l6368

George

Dont trust Halfords. They sold an elderly neighbour a new battery, a
few days later that was also flat. The problem was a loose fan belt!

whats's that got to do with Halfords? they sell parts.

They also sell, fit, and claim to test batteries. But on this occasion
totally failed to test.

Were they asked to? and does "testing a battery" include testing
whether
the charging circuit is working?


My point was don't trust Halfords to do anything other than what you
ask. If my neighbours had gone to a our local garage instead of Halfords
the battery, and whether it was receiving a charge, would have been
tested rather than simply selling them a battery assuming that an 72
year old lady had the knowledge to diagnose the fault.

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what's likely to make a 72 year old lady get it wrong. My wife is 73!

Way past her useby date.

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Andrew expressed precisely :
Modern cars are far more busy even when standing parked. If you
regularly leave a car made in recent years unused for more than
a few days the battery will already have significant drain.

I'm not sure you are correct with the 'significant drain'. My last car
would gradually move its systems into normal sleep mode over the first
30 minutes. If the car remained unused for longer than 4 weeks, it
would then go into a deeper sleep mode, switching off the remote key
receiver, then you would need to use the actual key.

My present car drops down to a 20mA draw sleep mode within a couple on
minutes. My car has a 75aH battery fitted, which equates to it being
able to maintain that level of discharge for 3600 hours full to flat -
150 days, but probably much longer than that. Not that much worse than
I would expect just leaving the battery disconnected from the car and
my car has a mass of equipment on standby, so a more basic car will
likely have an even lower discharge.
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On 10/11/2016 18:25, charles wrote:
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On 10/11/2016 08:52, charles wrote:
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My point was don't trust Halfords to do anything other than what you
ask. If my neighbours had gone to a our local garage instead of Halfords
the battery, and whether it was receiving a charge, would have been
tested rather than simply selling them a battery assuming that an 72
year old lady had the knowledge to diagnose the fault.

[Snip]

what's likely to make a 72 year old lady get it wrong. My wife is 73!

And an expert on car electrics no doubt.

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My point was don't trust Halfords to do anything other than what you
ask. If my neighbours had gone to a our local garage instead of
Halfords the battery, and whether it was receiving a charge, would
have been tested rather than simply selling them a battery assuming
that an 72 year old lady had the knowledge to diagnose the fault.

[Snip]

what's likely to make a 72 year old lady get it wrong. My wife is 73!

And an expert on car electrics no doubt.


no, but she'd consult the resident Engineer

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What is the current state of play regarding *coded* radio sets and
battery changing?

Either know the code & method of entering it, or hook up a 2nd battery eg via the fag lighter so it never loses 12v


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On Wednesday, 9 November 2016 11:10:58 UTC, Muddymike wrote:

Dont trust Halfords. They sold an elderly neighbour a new battery, a
few days later that was also flat. The problem was a loose fan belt!

I walked in Halfords two years ago, selected the most expensive battery
with the highest power rating and they fitted it - all for £105.

Was this for your milkfloat? Most cars will only take one size of battery..

That's never been my experience. Current wheels is on its 3rd battery, each of different capacity.


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When my battery packed up, the AA man said that Halfords batteries were as good as any.
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On Tue, 22 Nov 2016 21:14:57 +0000, Tim Lamb wrote:

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What is the current state of play regarding *coded* radio sets and
battery changing?

Either know the code & method of entering it, or hook up a 2nd
battery
eg via the fag lighter so it never loses 12v

Hmm.. nice little earner for the re-coding shop:-(

Computers manage to survive switch off, why not radios?

Because they're deliberately designed to disable the radio if it's
removed.
Does anyone steal car radios anymore? I happen to have this dead one
from the previous owner allowing a garage to change the battery:-(

Have you asked MrCheerful (in uk.rec.cars.maintenance) if he can
provide the code?

Er no. Can this be done on line? I think the issue arose because the
code recorded in the car handbook did not match the radio fitted.

Do you know which garage/main dealer originally supplied the car?

I had this problem but fortunately had main dealer key tags. I e-mailed
them, explained how I had become the owner and why I had the problem and
then asked if they had records of the correct code. IIRC it took two
ore three weeks for them to reply, presumable they checked with the
licensing people, but they did provide the code they had on file. It
worked.

Best of luck.


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On Wednesday, 9 November 2016 11:10:58 UTC, Muddymike wrote:

Dont trust Halfords. They sold an elderly neighbour a new battery,
a few days later that was also flat. The problem was a loose fan
belt!

I walked in Halfords two years ago, selected the most expensive
battery with the highest power rating and they fitted it - all for
£105.

Was this for your milkfloat? Most cars will only take one size of
battery.

That's never been my experience. Current wheels is on its 3rd battery,
each of different capacity.

Think you haven't read what was said. About selecting the most expensive
and highest current rating battery Halfords stocked and having it fitted
by them. Most cars have only one size that will fit it - unless you're
stupid enough to fit a smaller one and have it rattling around.

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Does anyone steal car radios anymore? I happen to have this dead one
from the previous owner allowing a garage to change the battery:-(

In which case there's no point in having a code.

Think some still do.

If the radio is heavily integrated, there doesn't seem to be any code (I
haven't had one on recent cars).

Depends. Just because it's integrated doesn't mean there's not a posh
alternative (Bose or whatever) that is also integrated. And the one a mate
had fitted to his Suzuki at vast cost did have a code number.

But I think they are still used for aftermarket radios that are
relatively easily nicked.

My aftermarket DAB one has a key card - which fits the SD card slot. Which
you can also use a normal SD card in - to record to or replay from.

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On 23/11/16 00:19, Bob Eager wrote:
If the radio is heavily integrated, there doesn't seem to be any code (I
haven't had one on recent cars).

There usually still is.



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Have you asked MrCheerful (in uk.rec.cars.maintenance) if he can
provide the code?

Er no. Can this be done on line? I think the issue arose because the
code recorded in the car handbook did not match the radio fitted.

As I said, ask in uk.rec.cars.maintenance. You'll need to supply the
details of the radio (vehicle - if you know it, radio model, serial
number, and maybe the barcode number).

When this cropped up before I found the code printed on a sticker at the
back of the radio! One day I'll get it out and look. Thanks for the
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On Wed, 23 Nov 2016 06:16:46 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 23/11/16 00:19, Bob Eager wrote:
If the radio is heavily integrated, there doesn't seem to be any code
(I haven't had one on recent cars).

There usually still is.

These were Ford S-Maxes - hardly uncommon.



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Have you asked MrCheerful (in uk.rec.cars.maintenance) if he can
provide the code?

Er no. Can this be done on line? I think the issue arose because the
code recorded in the car handbook did not match the radio fitted.

Do you know which garage/main dealer originally supplied the car?

Yes but they are long out of business! This is a Y reg. Zafira!

I had this problem but fortunately had main dealer key tags. I
e-mailed them, explained how I had become the owner and why I had the
problem and then asked if they had records of the correct code. IIRC it
took two ore three weeks for them to reply, presumable they checked
with the licensing people, but they did provide the code they had on
file. It worked.

Best of luck.

Thanks.

I tend not to use the radio while driving and this is my *go-fer*
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Have you asked MrCheerful (in uk.rec.cars.maintenance) if he can
provide the code?

Er no. Can this be done on line? I think the issue arose because the
code recorded in the car handbook did not match the radio fitted.


I'm sure it is not the case here but,
My nephew could not get his radio on again after installing a new
battery.
A month or two went by before I visited and noticed.

Have you tried putting the Code in ?
Yep , didn't work.
lets try again anyway , go and get all things you got with the car.
Nephew return with document wallet.
Where is the code written , its often on a seperate card ,
" No ,mines in the Handbook " as he opened the page that described how
to enter the code into the radio.
Did you use this code then?
"yep, Doesn't work "
So you really entered that number 1234 in the handbook
"Yep"
You didn't think the word EXAMPLE in front of it might just mean
that.
OH, Didn't notice that
Give us that document Wallet.
Found a card with a number on it.
30 mins later the radio was working, it would have been 5 but his
Mother and I couldn't stop laughing.


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On Wednesday, 9 November 2016 09:06:11 UTC, Tim Lamb wrote:

What is the current state of play regarding *coded* radio sets and
battery changing?

Either know the code & method of entering it, or hook up a 2nd battery
eg via the fag lighter so it never loses 12v

Hmm.. nice little earner for the re-coding shop:-(

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On 23/11/2016 09:46, Tim Lamb wrote:
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On 22/11/2016 22:31, Tim Lamb wrote:
Have you asked MrCheerful (in uk.rec.cars.maintenance) if he can
provide the code?

Er no. Can this be done on line? I think the issue arose because the
code recorded in the car handbook did not match the radio fitted.

Do you know which garage/main dealer originally supplied the car?

Yes but they are long out of business! This is a Y reg. Zafira!

Ah!.

Not much older than mine though - 2004 Rover 75.

I had this problem but fortunately had main dealer key tags. I
e-mailed them, explained how I had become the owner and why I had the
problem and then asked if they had records of the correct code. IIRC
it took two ore three weeks for them to reply, presumable they checked
with the licensing people, but they did provide the code they had on
file. It worked.


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On Wednesday, 23 November 2016 00:59:33 UTC, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
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On Wednesday, 9 November 2016 15:46:48 UTC, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
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I walked in Halfords two years ago, selected the most expensive
battery with the highest power rating and they fitted it - all for
£105.

Was this for your milkfloat? Most cars will only take one size of
battery.

That's never been my experience. Current wheels is on its 3rd battery,
each of different capacity.

Think you haven't read what was said. About selecting the most expensive
and highest current rating battery Halfords stocked and having it fitted
by them.

then you thought wrong

Most cars have only one size that will fit it

they don't of course

- unless you're
stupid enough to fit a smaller one and have it rattling around.

car batteries don't rattle around, even if for some reason you forget to fix them in place.


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On Wednesday, 23 November 2016 00:59:33 UTC, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
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tabbypurr wrote:
On Wednesday, 9 November 2016 15:46:48 UTC, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,

I walked in Halfords two years ago, selected the most expensive
battery with the highest power rating and they fitted it - all for
£105.

Was this for your milkfloat? Most cars will only take one size of
battery.

That's never been my experience. Current wheels is on its 3rd battery,
each of different capacity.

Think you haven't read what was said. About selecting the most expensive
and highest current rating battery Halfords stocked and having it fitted
by them.

then you thought wrong

Most cars have only one size that will fit it

they don't of course

- unless you're
stupid enough to fit a smaller one and have it rattling around.

car batteries don't rattle around, even if for some reason you forget
to fix them in place.

I have seen first hand the devastating results of a car battery that
was not clamped in.

Cars certainly used to be capable of accommodating (within reason)
batteries of different sizes. My wife's Citroen C1 is fitted with a tiny
battery, but has provision for one about 50% longer.

An unclamped battery is obviously free to move around, but its movement
is often constrained by what surrounds if and the power leads. While I
certainly don't recommend it, you might be able to drive for years
without anything untoward happening.


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On Wednesday, 9 November 2016 15:46:48 UTC, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,

I walked in Halfords two years ago, selected the most expensive
battery with the highest power rating and they fitted it - all for
£105.

Was this for your milkfloat? Most cars will only take one size of
battery.

That's never been my experience. Current wheels is on its 3rd
battery, each of different capacity.

Think you haven't read what was said. About selecting the most
expensive and highest current rating battery Halfords stocked and
having it fitted by them.

then you thought wrong

I'll give you 100 quid if the most expensive/highest capacity battery that
Halfords sell will fit either of my cars.

Most cars have only one size that will fit it

they don't of course

In which case there's no need for the vast number of different types,
then. You simply buy any you fancy and fit it.

- unless you're
stupid enough to fit a smaller one and have it rattling around.

car batteries don't rattle around, even if for some reason you forget to
fix them in place.

Only one with no knowledge of cars would think all fixings are the same
and will work with any battery.


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car batteries don't rattle around, even if for some reason you forget
to fix them in place.

I have seen first hand the devastating results of a car battery that was
not clamped in.

Very true. It's even something which is checked at MOT time.

The only battery type other than the correct one which is likely to fit
the space is a smaller one. And depending on clamp type may not be
possible to secure it.

Fitting a different sized battery should only be done by someone who knows
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I have seen first hand the devastating results of a car battery that
was not clamped in.

Cars certainly used to be capable of accommodating (within reason)
batteries of different sizes. My wife's Citroen C1 is fitted with a tiny
battery, but has provision for one about 50% longer.

Yes. Some cars that share a body with different engines may well
physically have space for a different battery. Whether it will fit without
further modification depends on make and model.

An unclamped battery is obviously free to move around, but its movement
is often constrained by what surrounds if and the power leads. While I
certainly don't recommend it, you might be able to drive for years
without anything untoward happening.

You might be able to drive on bald tyres too for years until something
untoward happens. But given battery security is part of an MOT test, I'd
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Mike


An overtall one is fun when you slam the bonnet on its posts.

Recently, a rather nice classic was destroyed by fire. The incorrect
battery was used - the terminals reversed from the correct one, but
otherwise the same sort of size. So it was reversed physically so the
correct lead would reach to the terminals. And sadly the bonnet edge lip
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I bought mine on line .. cheaper than local Battery centre for the model I
wanted - Group 24 12V sealed - I bought Numax CXV24
I found this place best price: http://www.plymouthbattery.co.uk/

They even price match against Internet prices.

I was at Plymouth BC yesterday. Very helpful staff. Got an Exide 45aH for
£69 fitted.

There was some life left in the 6 yr old Toyota factory fitted Varta. They
were happy to let me keep it, although they do lose out on 'scrappage'. I
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On Friday, 25 November 2016 11:22:58 UTC, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
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On Wednesday, 23 November 2016 00:59:33 UTC, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
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On Wednesday, 9 November 2016 15:46:48 UTC, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
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I walked in Halfords two years ago, selected the most expensive
battery with the highest power rating and they fitted it - all for
£105.

Was this for your milkfloat? Most cars will only take one size of
battery.

That's never been my experience. Current wheels is on its 3rd
battery, each of different capacity.

Think you haven't read what was said. About selecting the most
expensive and highest current rating battery Halfords stocked and
having it fitted by them.

then you thought wrong

I'll give you 100 quid if the most expensive/highest capacity battery that
Halfords sell will fit either of my cars.

With respect what Halfords sell is of no relevance.

Most cars have only one size that will fit it

they don't of course

In which case there's no need for the vast number of different types,
then. You simply buy any you fancy and fit it.

A completely illogical and nonsensical conclusion from the reality that one can often fit a battery of different size to the original.

- unless you're
stupid enough to fit a smaller one and have it rattling around.

car batteries don't rattle around, even if for some reason you forget to
fix them in place.

Only one with no knowledge of cars would think all fixings are the same
and will work with any battery.

No-one has proposed such, as if you brain were functioning you'd well know.


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