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James Wilkinson wrote
Rod Speed wrote
whisky-dave wrote
Rod Speed wrote
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I know when my lights are on because they're
lighting up the ground in front of the ****ing car!

Not when you have turned them on when it was
dark, had the sun come up while using the car,
and then stop using the car rather later.

That happened to a friend of mine.

Yeah, I do it quite a bit, essentially because the garage sale run
normally starts in the dark because we like to show up at the ones
that are sposed to open at 7am at 6am and thats in the dark in winter.

Maybe about 20% of the time I find I still have the lights on later.

Not a problem with the Getz, it turns all the lights off when you turn
the ignition off and lock the car with the remote and beeps to remind
you that the lights are on when you do that in case you want to turn
the
sidelights on again if you want them on with the car parked and locked.

My Golf annoyed me - to put on one half of the sidelights (the side in
the
middle of the road), you pushed the indicator stalk in that direction
with
the engine off. But when you pull over on the left, your indicator is
already facing that way, the wrong way for the side you want lit up.

Mine is much older than that and doesnt have any of that ****.

Neither does the much more recent than your Golf Getz.

The Merc one of my mates borrowed when a tree had jumped
out and attack her car did have that sort of fancy selective
sidelight **** and she had to get me to turn the lights off on that.

We were driving to a party and staying the night we arrived
early about 5pm in daylight. When we got out of teh car a
regan IIRC it was beeping he had no idea why so ignored it.

Around 10am we attempted to leave and teh car wouldnlt start flat
battery.

Yeah, the 73 Golf does let you leave the car with
the lights on and on a few occasions one of the
neighbours had told me that the lights are still on.

I used to have a car with three 100Ah batteries in the back in addition
to
the main one. It was because I went camping in it and used a fridge
etc.
I used to leave the lights on deliberately at work and see how many
panicked people would tell me I was going to flatten my battery.

They weren't panicking, just being helpful.

They stopped once I'd explained to them that even a normal decent car
battery won't go flat in 8 hours of work with just sidelights on.

we think what happened is he put the lights on to go through blackwall
tunnel and forgot to turn them off after exciting the tunnel.

None of our tunnels need the cars to have their lights on.
One of the underground car parks under one of the shopping
malls does see some turn their lights on when in there, but
thats not to see where you are going, more to make their
car more visible to other people.

You should be able to see another car with the lighting in a car park.

You can see that better with the car headlights on.

Only if your eyesight sux.

Probably just people with automatic lights.

Nope.

There's a lot of those about, you can see how stupid they are when they
drive through a patch of trees and the lights go on for 5 seconds. You'd
think they'd take a recent average.

None do that around here.

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On 02/08/16 18:03, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:
DerbyBorn wrote:


Hell no.

You forgot giving the fridge door a push to make
sure
it
is
closed
when
you
walk past it.



Do at work,

Don't at home because my fridge beeps like a whiny
thing
if
it's
not
closed

First thing I'd do is remove the beeper.

More fool you. Its handy to avoid not closing it
properly
accidentally.

I'd fix the magnet.

The magnet isnt broken.

If it's working, it would close easily.

But not automatically.

I'm as forgetful as they come, but leaving your fridge door
open
has
to
be
about as stupid as driving along with your car door open.

Doesn't have to be left wide open so that is noticeable.

That implies you tried to close it and failed.

Nope, just that you didn't close it properly.

Best see a doctor about your lack of dexterity.

No doctor can do anything about a lack of dexterity.

You can get creams or something.

None that do a damned thing about dexterity.

Don't they do creams for arthritis?

Nothing to do with dexterity.

People with arthritis are not dexterous.

But when the lack of dexterity has nothing to do
with arthritis, the cream will do absolutely nothing.

You said "No doctor can do anything about a lack of dexterity" - yet
most
loss of dexterity in old age is due to arthritis.

Bull**** it is.

Show detailed stats

Go and **** yourself.

Then I shall assume your belief is incorrect.

So like I said, you need a better magnet.

Wrong, as always.

You do understand magnetism?

And I understand how fridge doors work too.

By magnetism.

There is more involved than just magnetism.

No.

Yep, there is also how the hinge system works.

WD40 it then.

Nothing to do with what WD40 is good for.

If the hinge is stiff, WD40 will help.

And when it isnt, it wont.

When it isn't, it doesn't prevent the door closing.

Wrong, as always.

Then what else can go wrong with a hinge?

Cars that do that when lights are on annoy me to.

More fool you.

I might want to leave the lights on, for example for me
to
see
the
gate
or
garage door I'm opening.

Even you should be able to ignore the beeping when that
happens.

No, I cannot ignore noises.

Corse you can. If someone said they would shoot you
if you didn't ignore the beeps, you'd ignore the beeps.

But they'd still annoy me.

So infrequently that only a fool would disconnect the beeper.

Not if I always came home in the evening, left the lights on
to
get
out
and open the garage door, then got back in to drive the car
in.

With the wrecks you drive, sure. Makes no sense in a non wreck
tho.

Why would that make the bleeper more or less annoying?

No one said it did.

Then what was your point?

What was yours ?

That a beep every dark evening would **** me off.

And only a fool would cut the beeper in other than a wreck.

Anyone sensible would cut it when they don't need it.

But it isnt the only time it needs to beep.

Yes it is.

Wrong, as always.

Why else would your car beep?

Whenever anything has gone wrong.

Different beepers. Different noise.

Not anymore.

Dunno, I'm not stupid enough to buy new cars.

And usually it's a plug in thing in the fuse and relay box, so you're
not damaging the car.

But it can't beep when it needs to if you remove it.

I don't want it to beep.

More fool you.

I know when my lights are on because they're lighting up the ground in
front of the ****ing car!

Not when you have turned them on when it was dark,
had the sun come up while using the car, and then
stop using the car rather later.

I'd switch them off when it began to get light, while I was still driving.

Plenty don't, hence the reminder.

****wits.

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The high regard's customer:
How are you!
Thank youing can use the pico product of my company, and please press below the operation order install, and thank!
A,The software installs in proper order
1, install the good WIN2000 system;
2, open the software light the dish;
3, double click the SETUP.EXE
4, the model number of the choice gearing
a)PICO2000_104( PALApplication) this model number can at most support 4 roads see the frequency signal the importation
b)PICO2000_208( PALApplication) this model number can at most support 8 roads see the frequency signal the importation
c)PICO2000_416( PALApplication) this model number can at most support 16 roads see the frequency signal the importation
5, after finishing installing, three documents that light patch in the dish the catalogue descend: The msdxm.ocx, odbc32.dll, odbcint.dll beat arrives the c:\ windows\ system inside.
6, square version of usage hero , please double click the light the English Pack in the dish the document.
7, the copy resemble the regulating of appearance tone must install the VideoSetup software to proceed to regulate, install the procedure under the light dish root the catalogue VideoSetup the blank page clip setup.exe.
Plank card gearing
1.Insert the plank card arrive the main plank PCI the slot;
2.Start the calculator, and the auto install the plank card the drive to move the procedure( position:Light dish driver catalogue bottom)
Change the compression method
Beginning the ? circulate the ? the importation the " REGEDIT", and make sure the ?? enter the registration watch the editor, and open the HKEY ? CURRENT ? the USER\ software\ univision Canada Linited\ the pico2000 double click the " CODEC" can is worth this key to change to" MP42" or" IV50"
Note:
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IV50 the INDEO compress the way

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DerbyBorn wrote:


Hell no.

You forgot giving the fridge door a push to make
sure
it
is
closed
when
you
walk past it.



Do at work,

Don't at home because my fridge beeps like a whiny
thing
if
it's
not
closed

First thing I'd do is remove the beeper.

More fool you. Its handy to avoid not closing it
properly
accidentally.

I'd fix the magnet.

The magnet isnt broken.

If it's working, it would close easily.

But not automatically.

I'm as forgetful as they come, but leaving your fridge
door
open
has
to
be
about as stupid as driving along with your car door open.

Doesn't have to be left wide open so that is noticeable.

That implies you tried to close it and failed.

Nope, just that you didn't close it properly.

Best see a doctor about your lack of dexterity.

No doctor can do anything about a lack of dexterity.

You can get creams or something.

None that do a damned thing about dexterity.

Don't they do creams for arthritis?

Nothing to do with dexterity.

People with arthritis are not dexterous.

But when the lack of dexterity has nothing to do
with arthritis, the cream will do absolutely nothing.

You said "No doctor can do anything about a lack of dexterity" - yet
most
loss of dexterity in old age is due to arthritis.

Bull**** it is.

Show detailed stats

Go and **** yourself.

Then I shall assume your belief is incorrect.

Your stupid assumptions are your problem, as always.

So like I said, you need a better magnet.

Wrong, as always.

You do understand magnetism?

And I understand how fridge doors work too.

By magnetism.

There is more involved than just magnetism.

No.

Yep, there is also how the hinge system works.

WD40 it then.

Nothing to do with what WD40 is good for.

If the hinge is stiff, WD40 will help.

And when it isnt, it wont.

When it isn't, it doesn't prevent the door closing.

Wrong, as always.

Then what else can go wrong with a hinge?

The bit the axle part turns in shifts.

Cars that do that when lights are on annoy me to.

More fool you.

I might want to leave the lights on, for example for
me
to
see
the
gate
or
garage door I'm opening.

Even you should be able to ignore the beeping when that
happens.

No, I cannot ignore noises.

Corse you can. If someone said they would shoot you
if you didn't ignore the beeps, you'd ignore the beeps.

But they'd still annoy me.

So infrequently that only a fool would disconnect the
beeper.

Not if I always came home in the evening, left the lights on
to
get
out
and open the garage door, then got back in to drive the car
in.

With the wrecks you drive, sure. Makes no sense in a non
wreck
tho.

Why would that make the bleeper more or less annoying?

No one said it did.

Then what was your point?

What was yours ?

That a beep every dark evening would **** me off.

And only a fool would cut the beeper in other than a wreck.

Anyone sensible would cut it when they don't need it.

But it isnt the only time it needs to beep.

Yes it is.

Wrong, as always.

Why else would your car beep?

Whenever anything has gone wrong.

Different beepers. Different noise.

Not anymore.

Dunno, I'm not stupid enough to buy new cars.

But are stupid enough to get stuck with **** that has to be disabled so
crudely.

And usually it's a plug in thing in the fuse and relay box, so
you're
not damaging the car.

But it can't beep when it needs to if you remove it.

I don't want it to beep.

More fool you.

I know when my lights are on because they're lighting up the ground in
front of the ****ing car!

Not when you have turned them on when it was dark,
had the sun come up while using the car, and then
stop using the car rather later.

I'd switch them off when it began to get light, while I was still
driving.

Plenty don't, hence the reminder.

****wits.

You've never ever forgotten to do anything, ever ? Yeah, right.

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DerbyBorn wrote:


Hell no.

You forgot giving the fridge door a push to make
sure
it
is
closed
when
you
walk past it.



Do at work,

Don't at home because my fridge beeps like a whiny
thing
if
it's
not
closed

First thing I'd do is remove the beeper.

More fool you. Its handy to avoid not closing it
properly
accidentally.

I'd fix the magnet.

The magnet isnt broken.

If it's working, it would close easily.

But not automatically.

I'm as forgetful as they come, but leaving your fridge
door
open
has
to
be
about as stupid as driving along with your car door open.

Doesn't have to be left wide open so that is noticeable.

That implies you tried to close it and failed.

Nope, just that you didn't close it properly.

Best see a doctor about your lack of dexterity.

No doctor can do anything about a lack of dexterity.

You can get creams or something.

None that do a damned thing about dexterity.

Don't they do creams for arthritis?

Nothing to do with dexterity.

People with arthritis are not dexterous.

But when the lack of dexterity has nothing to do
with arthritis, the cream will do absolutely nothing.

You said "No doctor can do anything about a lack of dexterity" - yet
most
loss of dexterity in old age is due to arthritis.

Bull**** it is.

Show detailed stats

Go and **** yourself.

Then I shall assume your belief is incorrect.

Your stupid assumptions are your problem, as always.

No, they are your problem. You failed to convince me of your point.

So like I said, you need a better magnet.

Wrong, as always.

You do understand magnetism?

And I understand how fridge doors work too.

By magnetism.

There is more involved than just magnetism.

No.

Yep, there is also how the hinge system works.

WD40 it then.

Nothing to do with what WD40 is good for.

If the hinge is stiff, WD40 will help.

And when it isnt, it wont.

When it isn't, it doesn't prevent the door closing.

Wrong, as always.

Then what else can go wrong with a hinge?

The bit the axle part turns in shifts.

In English please.

Cars that do that when lights are on annoy me to.

More fool you.

I might want to leave the lights on, for example for
me
to
see
the
gate
or
garage door I'm opening.

Even you should be able to ignore the beeping when that
happens.

No, I cannot ignore noises.

Corse you can. If someone said they would shoot you
if you didn't ignore the beeps, you'd ignore the beeps.

But they'd still annoy me.

So infrequently that only a fool would disconnect the
beeper.

Not if I always came home in the evening, left the lights on
to
get
out
and open the garage door, then got back in to drive the car
in.

With the wrecks you drive, sure. Makes no sense in a non
wreck
tho.

Why would that make the bleeper more or less annoying?

No one said it did.

Then what was your point?

What was yours ?

That a beep every dark evening would **** me off.

And only a fool would cut the beeper in other than a wreck.

Anyone sensible would cut it when they don't need it.

But it isnt the only time it needs to beep.

Yes it is.

Wrong, as always.

Why else would your car beep?

Whenever anything has gone wrong.

Different beepers. Different noise.

Not anymore.

Dunno, I'm not stupid enough to buy new cars.

But are stupid enough to get stuck with **** that has to be disabled so
crudely.

Not crudely, but simply.

And usually it's a plug in thing in the fuse and relay box, so
you're
not damaging the car.

But it can't beep when it needs to if you remove it.

I don't want it to beep.

More fool you.

I know when my lights are on because they're lighting up the ground in
front of the ****ing car!

Not when you have turned them on when it was dark,
had the sun come up while using the car, and then
stop using the car rather later.

I'd switch them off when it began to get light, while I was still
driving.

Plenty don't, hence the reminder.

****wits.

You've never ever forgotten to do anything, ever ? Yeah, right.

Not things I do regularly. It's part of driving the car and is automatic. I'm no more likely to forget it than indicating.

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On 02/08/16 18:03, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:
DerbyBorn wrote:


Hell no.

You forgot giving the fridge door a push to make
sure
it
is
closed
when
you
walk past it.



Do at work,

Don't at home because my fridge beeps like a
whiny
thing
if
it's
not
closed

First thing I'd do is remove the beeper.

More fool you. Its handy to avoid not closing it
properly
accidentally.

I'd fix the magnet.

The magnet isnt broken.

If it's working, it would close easily.

But not automatically.

I'm as forgetful as they come, but leaving your fridge
door
open
has
to
be
about as stupid as driving along with your car door
open.

Doesn't have to be left wide open so that is noticeable.

That implies you tried to close it and failed.

Nope, just that you didn't close it properly.

Best see a doctor about your lack of dexterity.

No doctor can do anything about a lack of dexterity.

You can get creams or something.

None that do a damned thing about dexterity.

Don't they do creams for arthritis?

Nothing to do with dexterity.

People with arthritis are not dexterous.

But when the lack of dexterity has nothing to do
with arthritis, the cream will do absolutely nothing.

You said "No doctor can do anything about a lack of dexterity" - yet
most
loss of dexterity in old age is due to arthritis.

Bull**** it is.

Show detailed stats

Go and **** yourself.

Then I shall assume your belief is incorrect.

Your stupid assumptions are your problem, as always.

No, they are your problem.

Nope.

You failed to convince me of your point.

You have always been, and always will be, completely and utterly
irrelevant. What you may or may not be convinced of in spades.

So like I said, you need a better magnet.

Wrong, as always.

You do understand magnetism?

And I understand how fridge doors work too.

By magnetism.

There is more involved than just magnetism.

No.

Yep, there is also how the hinge system works.

WD40 it then.

Nothing to do with what WD40 is good for.

If the hinge is stiff, WD40 will help.

And when it isnt, it wont.

When it isn't, it doesn't prevent the door closing.

Wrong, as always.

Then what else can go wrong with a hinge?

The bit the axle part turns in shifts.

In English please.

The bit the axle part turns in, shifts.

Cars that do that when lights are on annoy me to.

More fool you.

I might want to leave the lights on, for example for
me
to
see
the
gate
or
garage door I'm opening.

Even you should be able to ignore the beeping when
that
happens.

No, I cannot ignore noises.

Corse you can. If someone said they would shoot you
if you didn't ignore the beeps, you'd ignore the beeps.

But they'd still annoy me.

So infrequently that only a fool would disconnect the
beeper.

Not if I always came home in the evening, left the lights
on
to
get
out
and open the garage door, then got back in to drive the
car
in.

With the wrecks you drive, sure. Makes no sense in a non
wreck
tho.

Why would that make the bleeper more or less annoying?

No one said it did.

Then what was your point?

What was yours ?

That a beep every dark evening would **** me off.

And only a fool would cut the beeper in other than a wreck.

Anyone sensible would cut it when they don't need it.

But it isnt the only time it needs to beep.

Yes it is.

Wrong, as always.

Why else would your car beep?

Whenever anything has gone wrong.

Different beepers. Different noise.

Not anymore.

Dunno, I'm not stupid enough to buy new cars.

But are stupid enough to get stuck with **** that has to be disabled so
crudely.

Not crudely, but simply.

****ing crudely when it can no longer beep about anything anymore.

And usually it's a plug in thing in the fuse and relay box, so
you're
not damaging the car.

But it can't beep when it needs to if you remove it.

I don't want it to beep.

More fool you.

I know when my lights are on because they're lighting up the ground
in
front of the ****ing car!

Not when you have turned them on when it was dark,
had the sun come up while using the car, and then
stop using the car rather later.

I'd switch them off when it began to get light, while I was still
driving.

Plenty don't, hence the reminder.

****wits.

You've never ever forgotten to do anything, ever ? Yeah, right.

Not things I do regularly.

Don't believe that.

It's part of driving the car and is automatic.

Not necessarily when something else unusual happens at the
same time like say when an animal is in the way when driving in.

I'm no more likely to forget it than indicating.

Even sillier than you usually manage.

On Thu, 04 Aug 2016 21:08:41 +0100, Rod Speed wrote:



"whisky-dave" wrote in message
...
On Thursday, 4 August 2016 09:01:42 UTC+1, Bod wrote:
On 04/08/2016 08:49, Andy Burns wrote:
Pet @ www.gymratz.co.uk ;¬) wrote:

apparently "they don't make dishes
anymore" so we only have deep bowls

My (not ancient) crockery has rice bowls and cereal dishes, I find the
rice bowls far better for cereal, than the cereal bowls which are too
shallow and slosh out the sides to easily.

you'll appreciate the havoc that
causes trying to load the machine efficiently

Not really, no space for a washdisher here.

Washing up by hand only takes about 3 or 4 minutes with just the two of
us.

Even less with takeways. :-)

A Fishwasher is a waste of money to us and simply something else to go
wrong, also takes up unnecessary space.

I cod do with one when I'm really lazy

Can't see why I should be doing what a machine can do for me.

I run mine about every 9 days for the normal stuff and another run
for the full sized beer bottles we call long necks every 24 days.

but haven't the plaice to put it.

My kitchen has a 20' long cantilevered bench along one wall
of a U shaped kitchen that is off the side of the massive great
open plan main room and stuff like dishwashers and 2 bar
fridge sized vertical freezers and cupboards slot in under
that so there is tons of room for stuff like dishwashers.

If I get off my arse and fix the original one that is now
40+ years old and likely just has a scaled up solenoid
valve, I'll likely have two, mainly so I can just put stuff
straight into the appropriate dishwasher as it is used.

The latest Bosch only cost me $50 at a garage sale
and works fine.

I got a 6 month old one for free - someone gave it away when they bought one that fitted inside the cupboard of a fitted kitchen.

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On Thursday, 4 August 2016 21:08:50 UTC+1, Rod Speed wrote:
"whisky-dave" wrote in message
...
On Thursday, 4 August 2016 09:01:42 UTC+1, Bod wrote:
On 04/08/2016 08:49, Andy Burns wrote:
Pet @ www.gymratz.co.uk ;¬) wrote:

apparently "they don't make dishes
anymore" so we only have deep bowls

My (not ancient) crockery has rice bowls and cereal dishes, I find the
rice bowls far better for cereal, than the cereal bowls which are too
shallow and slosh out the sides to easily.

you'll appreciate the havoc that
causes trying to load the machine efficiently

Not really, no space for a washdisher here.

Washing up by hand only takes about 3 or 4 minutes with just the two of
us.

Even less with takeways. :-)

A Fishwasher is a waste of money to us and simply something else to go
wrong, also takes up unnecessary space.

I cod do with one when I'm really lazy

Can't see why I should be doing what a machine can do for me.

for me it depends on the machine.
I can make a cup of tea all by myself I don;t need a teasmaid they just seem more trouble than they are worth.



I run mine about every 9 days for the normal stuff and another run
for the full sized beer bottles we call long necks every 24 days.

I don't have one to run.

Soemthing wrong with the washing machine at the WE. took from friday 8pm to sunday 6pm to do a wash although I turned it off at night.



If I get off my arse and fix the original one that is now
40+ years old and likely just has a scaled up solenoid
valve, I'll likely have two, mainly so I can just put stuff
straight into the appropriate dishwasher as it is used.

how many of yuo are there ?


The latest Bosch only cost me $50 at a garage sale
and works fine.

for me it'd be the running cost that would annoy me I suspect.

"whisky-dave" wrote in message
...
On Thursday, 4 August 2016 21:08:50 UTC+1, Rod Speed wrote:
"whisky-dave" wrote in message
...
On Thursday, 4 August 2016 09:01:42 UTC+1, Bod wrote:
On 04/08/2016 08:49, Andy Burns wrote:
Pet @ www.gymratz.co.uk ;¬) wrote:

apparently "they don't make dishes
anymore" so we only have deep bowls

My (not ancient) crockery has rice bowls and cereal dishes, I find
the
rice bowls far better for cereal, than the cereal bowls which are
too
shallow and slosh out the sides to easily.

you'll appreciate the havoc that
causes trying to load the machine efficiently

Not really, no space for a washdisher here.

Washing up by hand only takes about 3 or 4 minutes with just the two
of
us.

Even less with takeways. :-)

A Fishwasher is a waste of money to us and simply something else to go
wrong, also takes up unnecessary space.

I cod do with one when I'm really lazy

Can't see why I should be doing what a machine can do for me.

for me it depends on the machine.

It actually depends on how much work is involved in doing it by hand.

I can make a cup of tea all by myself I don;t need a teasmaid
they just seem more trouble than they are worth.

And only a fool thinks that about a dishwasher or washing machine.

I run mine about every 9 days for the normal stuff and another run
for the full sized beer bottles we call long necks every 24 days.

I don't have one to run.

More fool you.

Soemthing wrong with the washing machine at the WE.
took from friday 8pm to sunday 6pm to do a wash
although I turned it off at night.

Time to get it fixed.

If I get off my arse and fix the original one that is now
40+ years old and likely just has a scaled up solenoid
valve, I'll likely have two, mainly so I can just put stuff
straight into the appropriate dishwasher as it is used.

how many of yuo are there ?

One.

The latest Bosch only cost me $50 at a garage sale
and works fine.

for me it'd be the running cost that would annoy me I suspect.

More fool you. It actually costs less to run than doing it by hand.

On Monday, 8 August 2016 12:31:55 UTC+1, whisky-dave wrote:
On Thursday, 4 August 2016 21:08:50 UTC+1, Rod Speed wrote:

The latest Bosch only cost me $50 at a garage sale
and works fine.

for me it'd be the running cost that would annoy me I suspect.

12-20p a wash versus half an hour or so of hand washing.


NT

wrote
whisky-dave wrote
Rod Speed wrote

The latest Bosch only cost me $50 at a garage sale and works fine.

for me it'd be the running cost that would annoy me I suspect.

12-20p a wash versus half an hour or so of hand washing.

Mine is closer to 5p a wash and that is with Finish, not some cheap ****.

And a hand wash uses a lot more hot water too.

On Monday, 8 August 2016 13:31:45 UTC+1, Rod Speed wrote:
tabbypurr wrote
whisky-dave wrote
Rod Speed wrote

The latest Bosch only cost me $50 at a garage sale and works fine.

for me it'd be the running cost that would annoy me I suspect.

12-20p a wash versus half an hour or so of hand washing.

Mine is closer to 5p a wash and that is with Finish, not some cheap ****.

Finish costs more than 5p a tablet. My figure was TCO per wash.

And a hand wash uses a lot more hot water too.

Probably.


NT

On Mon, 08 Aug 2016 12:31:53 +0100, whisky-dave wrote:

On Thursday, 4 August 2016 21:08:50 UTC+1, Rod Speed wrote:
"whisky-dave" wrote in message
...
On Thursday, 4 August 2016 09:01:42 UTC+1, Bod wrote:
On 04/08/2016 08:49, Andy Burns wrote:
Pet @ www.gymratz.co.uk ;¬) wrote:

apparently "they don't make dishes
anymore" so we only have deep bowls

My (not ancient) crockery has rice bowls and cereal dishes, I find the
rice bowls far better for cereal, than the cereal bowls which are too
shallow and slosh out the sides to easily.

you'll appreciate the havoc that
causes trying to load the machine efficiently

Not really, no space for a washdisher here.

Washing up by hand only takes about 3 or 4 minutes with just the two of
us.

Even less with takeways. :-)

A Fishwasher is a waste of money to us and simply something else to go
wrong, also takes up unnecessary space.

I cod do with one when I'm really lazy

Can't see why I should be doing what a machine can do for me.

for me it depends on the machine.
I can make a cup of tea all by myself I don;t need a teasmaid they just seem more trouble than they are worth.



I run mine about every 9 days for the normal stuff and another run
for the full sized beer bottles we call long necks every 24 days.

I don't have one to run.

Soemthing wrong with the washing machine at the WE. took from friday 8pm to sunday 6pm to do a wash although I turned it off at night.

I had a dishwasher do that. Turns out the programming was very simple, and it worked by filling with water, then washing while the water was heated. It stopped washing when the water reached a preset temperature. The heating element failing caused it to run all night. I only realised what was wrong because the water was only slightly warm (from the pump)..

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On Mon, 08 Aug 2016 13:22:35 +0100, Rod Speed wrote:



"whisky-dave" wrote in message
...
On Thursday, 4 August 2016 21:08:50 UTC+1, Rod Speed wrote:
"whisky-dave" wrote in message
...
On Thursday, 4 August 2016 09:01:42 UTC+1, Bod wrote:
On 04/08/2016 08:49, Andy Burns wrote:
Pet @ www.gymratz.co.uk ;¬) wrote:

apparently "they don't make dishes
anymore" so we only have deep bowls

My (not ancient) crockery has rice bowls and cereal dishes, I find
the
rice bowls far better for cereal, than the cereal bowls which are
too
shallow and slosh out the sides to easily.

you'll appreciate the havoc that
causes trying to load the machine efficiently

Not really, no space for a washdisher here.

Washing up by hand only takes about 3 or 4 minutes with just the two
of
us.

Even less with takeways. :-)

A Fishwasher is a waste of money to us and simply something else to go
wrong, also takes up unnecessary space.

I cod do with one when I'm really lazy

Can't see why I should be doing what a machine can do for me.

for me it depends on the machine.

It actually depends on how much work is involved in doing it by hand.

I can make a cup of tea all by myself I don;t need a teasmaid
they just seem more trouble than they are worth.

And only a fool thinks that about a dishwasher or washing machine.

I run mine about every 9 days for the normal stuff and another run
for the full sized beer bottles we call long necks every 24 days.

I don't have one to run.

More fool you.

Soemthing wrong with the washing machine at the WE.
took from friday 8pm to sunday 6pm to do a wash
although I turned it off at night.

Time to get it fixed.

If I get off my arse and fix the original one that is now
40+ years old and likely just has a scaled up solenoid
valve, I'll likely have two, mainly so I can just put stuff
straight into the appropriate dishwasher as it is used.

how many of yuo are there ?

One.

The latest Bosch only cost me $50 at a garage sale
and works fine.

for me it'd be the running cost that would annoy me I suspect.

More fool you. It actually costs less to run than doing it by hand.

Sure? Dishwashers only wash properly at something like 75C. You don't use anything like that temperature by hand, most of the work is done by scrubbing, but a dishwasher can't scrub. You also drip dry things, or dry them with a towel. The dishwasher uses heat.

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"Son, masturbating will cause you to go blind."
"But dad, I'm over here!"

On Mon, 08 Aug 2016 06:33:03 -0700, tabbypurr wrote:

On Monday, 8 August 2016 13:31:45 UTC+1, Rod Speed wrote:
tabbypurr wrote
whisky-dave wrote
Rod Speed wrote

The latest Bosch only cost me $50 at a garage sale and works fine.

for me it'd be the running cost that would annoy me I suspect.

12-20p a wash versus half an hour or so of hand washing.

Mine is closer to 5p a wash and that is with Finish, not some cheap
****.

Finish costs more than 5p a tablet. My figure was TCO per wash.

And a hand wash uses a lot more hot water too.

Mine is about 4p per wash for power (may be less), and about 4p for
detergent. A very small amount for salt.

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On Monday, 8 August 2016 16:12:44 UTC+1, James Wilkinson wrote:
Sure? Dishwashers only wash properly at something like 75C. You
don't use anything like that temperature by hand,

I do.

I put the hard stuff in the washing-up-bowl, add the squirty, then pour over boiling water from the kettle and leave soaking for a few mins.

Add some cold before I put my hands in, obviously.

Owain

On Mon, 08 Aug 2016 19:58:16 +0100, wrote:

On Monday, 8 August 2016 16:12:44 UTC+1, James Wilkinson wrote:
Sure? Dishwashers only wash properly at something like 75C. You
don't use anything like that temperature by hand,

I do.

I put the hard stuff in the washing-up-bowl, add the squirty, then pour over boiling water from the kettle and leave soaking for a few mins.

Add some cold before I put my hands in, obviously.

You must eat different stuff to me, I've never had to do that. A bowl of cereal I've forgotten about and left to dry maybe, but I just soak that.

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On Monday, 8 August 2016 16:12:44 UTC+1, James Wilkinson wrote:
On Mon, 08 Aug 2016 13:22:35 +0100, Rod Speed wrote:
"whisky-dave" wrote in message
...
On Thursday, 4 August 2016 21:08:50 UTC+1, Rod Speed wrote:

The latest Bosch only cost me $50 at a garage sale
and works fine.

for me it'd be the running cost that would annoy me I suspect.

More fool you. It actually costs less to run than doing it by hand.

Sure? Dishwashers only wash properly at something like 75C. You don't use anything like that temperature by hand, most of the work is done by scrubbing, but a dishwasher can't scrub. You also drip dry things, or dry them with a towel. The dishwasher uses heat.

Dishwashers use water blasting with grit to scrub dishes. Only old ones use a hot drying cycle now.


NT

On Monday, 8 August 2016 17:28:27 UTC+1, Bob Eager wrote:
On Mon, 08 Aug 2016 06:33:03 -0700, tabbypurr wrote:
On Monday, 8 August 2016 13:31:45 UTC+1, Rod Speed wrote:
tabbypurr wrote
whisky-dave wrote
Rod Speed wrote

The latest Bosch only cost me $50 at a garage sale and works fine.

for me it'd be the running cost that would annoy me I suspect.

12-20p a wash versus half an hour or so of hand washing.

Mine is closer to 5p a wash and that is with Finish, not some cheap
****.

Finish costs more than 5p a tablet. My figure was TCO per wash.

And a hand wash uses a lot more hot water too.

Mine is about 4p per wash for power (may be less), and about 4p for
detergent. A very small amount for salt.

Purchase & maintenance cost are small, depending on your strategy.


NT

On Mon, 08 Aug 2016 20:13:29 +0100, wrote:

On Monday, 8 August 2016 16:12:44 UTC+1, James Wilkinson wrote:
On Mon, 08 Aug 2016 13:22:35 +0100, Rod Speed wrote:
"whisky-dave" wrote in message
...
On Thursday, 4 August 2016 21:08:50 UTC+1, Rod Speed wrote:

The latest Bosch only cost me $50 at a garage sale
and works fine.

for me it'd be the running cost that would annoy me I suspect.

More fool you. It actually costs less to run than doing it by hand.

Sure? Dishwashers only wash properly at something like 75C. You don't use anything like that temperature by hand, most of the work is done by scrubbing, but a dishwasher can't scrub. You also drip dry things, or dry them with a towel. The dishwasher uses heat.

Dishwashers use water blasting with grit to scrub dishes.

I didn't realise there was grit in the tablets.

Only old ones use a hot drying cycle now.

Mine is only about 2 years old and it does. So they dry by magic?

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On Monday, 8 August 2016 20:16:13 UTC+1, James Wilkinson wrote:
On Mon, 08 Aug 2016 20:13:29 +0100, tabbypurr wrote:

Dishwashers use water blasting with grit to scrub dishes.

I didn't realise there was grit in the tablets.

Only old ones use a hot drying cycle now.

Mine is only about 2 years old and it does. So they dry by magic?

The idea is that putting cold water into them but not pumping it about results in dampness in the air condensing into the water, hastening drying. I find it hard to believe it's especially effective.


NT

wrote
Rod Speed wrote
tabbypurr wrote
whisky-dave wrote
Rod Speed wrote

The latest Bosch only cost me $50 at a garage sale and works fine.

for me it'd be the running cost that would annoy me I suspect.

12-20p a wash versus half an hour or so of hand washing.

Mine is closer to 5p a wash and that is with Finish, not some cheap ****.

Finish costs more than 5p a tablet.

Not at the best prices it is ever sold for it doesnt.

My figure was TCO per wash.

So was mine tho the only additional cost is the cost
of heating the water. I dont bother with rinse aid
and never need to do anything about hard water.

And a hand wash uses a lot more hot water too.

Probably.

Certainly, essentially because when you hand wash
every day or after ever meal you use a hell of a lot
more hot water than the dishwasher run every 9-10
days does or even if run every 4 days.

"James Wilkinson" wrote in message
news
On Mon, 08 Aug 2016 13:22:35 +0100, Rod Speed
wrote:



"whisky-dave" wrote in message
...
On Thursday, 4 August 2016 21:08:50 UTC+1, Rod Speed wrote:
"whisky-dave" wrote in message
...
On Thursday, 4 August 2016 09:01:42 UTC+1, Bod wrote:
On 04/08/2016 08:49, Andy Burns wrote:
Pet @ www.gymratz.co.uk ;¬) wrote:

apparently "they don't make dishes
anymore" so we only have deep bowls

My (not ancient) crockery has rice bowls and cereal dishes, I find
the
rice bowls far better for cereal, than the cereal bowls which are
too
shallow and slosh out the sides to easily.

you'll appreciate the havoc that
causes trying to load the machine efficiently

Not really, no space for a washdisher here.

Washing up by hand only takes about 3 or 4 minutes with just the two
of
us.

Even less with takeways. :-)

A Fishwasher is a waste of money to us and simply something else to
go
wrong, also takes up unnecessary space.

I cod do with one when I'm really lazy

Can't see why I should be doing what a machine can do for me.

for me it depends on the machine.

It actually depends on how much work is involved in doing it by hand.

I can make a cup of tea all by myself I don;t need a teasmaid
they just seem more trouble than they are worth.

And only a fool thinks that about a dishwasher or washing machine.

I run mine about every 9 days for the normal stuff and another run
for the full sized beer bottles we call long necks every 24 days.

I don't have one to run.

More fool you.

Soemthing wrong with the washing machine at the WE.
took from friday 8pm to sunday 6pm to do a wash
although I turned it off at night.

Time to get it fixed.

If I get off my arse and fix the original one that is now
40+ years old and likely just has a scaled up solenoid
valve, I'll likely have two, mainly so I can just put stuff
straight into the appropriate dishwasher as it is used.

how many of yuo are there ?

One.

The latest Bosch only cost me $50 at a garage sale
and works fine.

for me it'd be the running cost that would annoy me I suspect.

More fool you. It actually costs less to run than doing it by hand.

Sure?

Yep, essentially because hand washing after
every meal uses a hell of a lot more hot water
than running the dishwasher every 4 days or so.

Dishwashers only wash properly at something like 75C. You don't use
anything like that temperature by hand,

Yes, but you use a hell of a lot more water.

most of the work is done by scrubbing, but a dishwasher can't scrub. You
also drip dry things, or dry them with a towel. The dishwasher uses heat.

Not always, my original one didn't, just did a hot rinse and you
just open the door when its finished and let the stuff air dry.

On Mon, 08 Aug 2016 12:13:29 -0700, tabbypurr wrote:

On Monday, 8 August 2016 16:12:44 UTC+1, James Wilkinson wrote:
On Mon, 08 Aug 2016 13:22:35 +0100, Rod Speed
wrote:
"whisky-dave" wrote in message
...
On Thursday, 4 August 2016 21:08:50 UTC+1, Rod Speed wrote:

The latest Bosch only cost me $50 at a garage sale and works fine.

for me it'd be the running cost that would annoy me I suspect.

More fool you. It actually costs less to run than doing it by hand.

Sure? Dishwashers only wash properly at something like 75C. You don't
use anything like that temperature by hand, most of the work is done by
scrubbing, but a dishwasher can't scrub. You also drip dry things, or
dry them with a towel. The dishwasher uses heat.

Dishwashers use water blasting with grit to scrub dishes. Only old ones
use a hot drying cycle now.

That would explain why the new one (new model) I bought last year
uses...errr...heat.


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On Mon, 08 Aug 2016 20:15:59 +0100, James Wilkinson wrote:

On Mon, 08 Aug 2016 20:13:29 +0100, wrote:

On Monday, 8 August 2016 16:12:44 UTC+1, James Wilkinson wrote:
On Mon, 08 Aug 2016 13:22:35 +0100, Rod Speed
wrote:
"whisky-dave" wrote in message
...
On Thursday, 4 August 2016 21:08:50 UTC+1, Rod Speed wrote:

The latest Bosch only cost me $50 at a garage sale and works fine.

for me it'd be the running cost that would annoy me I suspect.

More fool you. It actually costs less to run than doing it by hand.

Sure? Dishwashers only wash properly at something like 75C. You
don't use anything like that temperature by hand, most of the work is
done by scrubbing, but a dishwasher can't scrub. You also drip dry
things, or dry them with a towel. The dishwasher uses heat.

Dishwashers use water blasting with grit to scrub dishes.

I didn't realise there was grit in the tablets.

Only old ones use a hot drying cycle now.

Mine is only about 2 years old and it does. So they dry by magic?

What tablets?



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On Mon, 08 Aug 2016 22:08:47 +0100, Bob Eager wrote:

On Mon, 08 Aug 2016 20:15:59 +0100, James Wilkinson wrote:

On Mon, 08 Aug 2016 20:13:29 +0100, wrote:

On Monday, 8 August 2016 16:12:44 UTC+1, James Wilkinson wrote:
On Mon, 08 Aug 2016 13:22:35 +0100, Rod Speed
wrote:
"whisky-dave" wrote in message
...
On Thursday, 4 August 2016 21:08:50 UTC+1, Rod Speed wrote:

The latest Bosch only cost me $50 at a garage sale and works fine.

for me it'd be the running cost that would annoy me I suspect.

More fool you. It actually costs less to run than doing it by hand.

Sure? Dishwashers only wash properly at something like 75C. You
don't use anything like that temperature by hand, most of the work is
done by scrubbing, but a dishwasher can't scrub. You also drip dry
things, or dry them with a towel. The dishwasher uses heat.

Dishwashers use water blasting with grit to scrub dishes.

I didn't realise there was grit in the tablets.

Only old ones use a hot drying cycle now.

Mine is only about 2 years old and it does. So they dry by magic?

What tablets?

The things you put in to wash the dishes! The detergent!

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On Mon, 08 Aug 2016 22:08:05 +0100, Bob Eager wrote:

On Mon, 08 Aug 2016 12:13:29 -0700, tabbypurr wrote:

On Monday, 8 August 2016 16:12:44 UTC+1, James Wilkinson wrote:
On Mon, 08 Aug 2016 13:22:35 +0100, Rod Speed
wrote:
"whisky-dave" wrote in message
...
On Thursday, 4 August 2016 21:08:50 UTC+1, Rod Speed wrote:

The latest Bosch only cost me $50 at a garage sale and works fine.

for me it'd be the running cost that would annoy me I suspect.

More fool you. It actually costs less to run than doing it by hand.

Sure? Dishwashers only wash properly at something like 75C. You don't
use anything like that temperature by hand, most of the work is done by
scrubbing, but a dishwasher can't scrub. You also drip dry things, or
dry them with a towel. The dishwasher uses heat.

Dishwashers use water blasting with grit to scrub dishes. Only old ones
use a hot drying cycle now.

That would explain why the new one (new model) I bought last year
uses...errr...heat.

No other way to dry dishes really. Apart from a class 2 hurricane, which might damage the crockery. Dyson will try it one day.

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On Mon, 08 Aug 2016 22:29:52 +0100, James Wilkinson wrote:

On Mon, 08 Aug 2016 22:08:47 +0100, Bob Eager wrote:

On Mon, 08 Aug 2016 20:15:59 +0100, James Wilkinson wrote:

On Mon, 08 Aug 2016 20:13:29 +0100, wrote:

On Monday, 8 August 2016 16:12:44 UTC+1, James Wilkinson wrote:
On Mon, 08 Aug 2016 13:22:35 +0100, Rod Speed
wrote:
"whisky-dave" wrote in message
...
On Thursday, 4 August 2016 21:08:50 UTC+1, Rod Speed wrote:

The latest Bosch only cost me $50 at a garage sale and works
fine.

for me it'd be the running cost that would annoy me I suspect.

More fool you. It actually costs less to run than doing it by
hand.

Sure? Dishwashers only wash properly at something like 75C. You
don't use anything like that temperature by hand, most of the work
is done by scrubbing, but a dishwasher can't scrub. You also drip
dry things, or dry them with a towel. The dishwasher uses heat.

Dishwashers use water blasting with grit to scrub dishes.

I didn't realise there was grit in the tablets.

Only old ones use a hot drying cycle now.

Mine is only about 2 years old and it does. So they dry by magic?

What tablets?

The things you put in to wash the dishes! The detergent!

I don't use tablets.



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On Mon, 08 Aug 2016 22:54:46 +0100, Tim Streater wrote:

In article , Bob Eager
wrote:

On Mon, 08 Aug 2016 22:29:52 +0100, James Wilkinson wrote:

On Mon, 08 Aug 2016 22:08:47 +0100, Bob Eager wrote:

On Mon, 08 Aug 2016 20:15:59 +0100, James Wilkinson wrote:

On Mon, 08 Aug 2016 20:13:29 +0100, wrote:

On Monday, 8 August 2016 16:12:44 UTC+1, James Wilkinson wrote:
On Mon, 08 Aug 2016 13:22:35 +0100, Rod Speed
wrote:
"whisky-dave" wrote in message
...
On Thursday, 4 August 2016 21:08:50 UTC+1, Rod Speed wrote:

The latest Bosch only cost me $50 at a garage sale and works
fine.

for me it'd be the running cost that would annoy me I suspect.

More fool you. It actually costs less to run than doing it by
hand.

Sure? Dishwashers only wash properly at something like 75C. You
don't use anything like that temperature by hand, most of the work
is done by scrubbing, but a dishwasher can't scrub. You also drip
dry things, or dry them with a towel. The dishwasher uses heat.

Dishwashers use water blasting with grit to scrub dishes.

I didn't realise there was grit in the tablets.

Only old ones use a hot drying cycle now.

Mine is only about 2 years old and it does. So they dry by magic?

What tablets?

The things you put in to wash the dishes! The detergent!

I don't use tablets.

Me too neither. I use Finish powder - which you can only get in 1kg
plastic jobs now rather than the 3kg ones that used to be available.
They've pushed all the suckers towards tablets as they are more
expensive.

I buy them for convenience. And they cost **** all, especially supermarket's own.

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On Mon, 08 Aug 2016 22:45:35 +0100, Bob Eager wrote:

On Mon, 08 Aug 2016 22:29:52 +0100, James Wilkinson wrote:

On Mon, 08 Aug 2016 22:08:47 +0100, Bob Eager wrote:

On Mon, 08 Aug 2016 20:15:59 +0100, James Wilkinson wrote:

On Mon, 08 Aug 2016 20:13:29 +0100, wrote:

On Monday, 8 August 2016 16:12:44 UTC+1, James Wilkinson wrote:
On Mon, 08 Aug 2016 13:22:35 +0100, Rod Speed
wrote:
"whisky-dave" wrote in message
...
On Thursday, 4 August 2016 21:08:50 UTC+1, Rod Speed wrote:

The latest Bosch only cost me $50 at a garage sale and works
fine.

for me it'd be the running cost that would annoy me I suspect.

More fool you. It actually costs less to run than doing it by
hand.

Sure? Dishwashers only wash properly at something like 75C. You
don't use anything like that temperature by hand, most of the work
is done by scrubbing, but a dishwasher can't scrub. You also drip
dry things, or dry them with a towel. The dishwasher uses heat.

Dishwashers use water blasting with grit to scrub dishes.

I didn't realise there was grit in the tablets.

Only old ones use a hot drying cycle now.

Mine is only about 2 years old and it does. So they dry by magic?

What tablets?

The things you put in to wash the dishes! The detergent!

I don't use tablets.

But surely you've heard of them?

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"James Wilkinson" wrote in message
news
On Mon, 08 Aug 2016 20:13:29 +0100, wrote:

On Monday, 8 August 2016 16:12:44 UTC+1, James Wilkinson wrote:
On Mon, 08 Aug 2016 13:22:35 +0100, Rod Speed
wrote:
"whisky-dave" wrote in message
...
On Thursday, 4 August 2016 21:08:50 UTC+1, Rod Speed wrote:

The latest Bosch only cost me $50 at a garage sale
and works fine.

for me it'd be the running cost that would annoy me I suspect.

More fool you. It actually costs less to run than doing it by hand.

Sure? Dishwashers only wash properly at something like 75C. You don't
use anything like that temperature by hand, most of the work is done by
scrubbing, but a dishwasher can't scrub. You also drip dry things, or
dry them with a towel. The dishwasher uses heat.

Dishwashers use water blasting with grit to scrub dishes.

I didn't realise there was grit in the tablets.

Only old ones use a hot drying cycle now.

Mine is only about 2 years old and it does.

Mine is likely a bit older than that and doesn't, a Bosch.

So they dry by magic?

Nope, do a final hot rinse and then move air thru it when its pumped out.

On Mon, 08 Aug 2016 23:03:44 +0100, James Wilkinson wrote:

On Mon, 08 Aug 2016 22:54:46 +0100, Tim Streater
wrote:

In article , Bob Eager
wrote:

On Mon, 08 Aug 2016 22:29:52 +0100, James Wilkinson wrote:

On Mon, 08 Aug 2016 22:08:47 +0100, Bob Eager
wrote:

On Mon, 08 Aug 2016 20:15:59 +0100, James Wilkinson wrote:

On Mon, 08 Aug 2016 20:13:29 +0100, wrote:

On Monday, 8 August 2016 16:12:44 UTC+1, James Wilkinson wrote:
On Mon, 08 Aug 2016 13:22:35 +0100, Rod Speed
wrote:
"whisky-dave" wrote in message
...
On Thursday, 4 August 2016 21:08:50 UTC+1, Rod Speed wrote:

The latest Bosch only cost me $50 at a garage sale and works
fine.

for me it'd be the running cost that would annoy me I suspect.

More fool you. It actually costs less to run than doing it by
hand.

Sure? Dishwashers only wash properly at something like 75C. You
don't use anything like that temperature by hand, most of the
work is done by scrubbing, but a dishwasher can't scrub. You
also drip dry things, or dry them with a towel. The dishwasher
uses heat.

Dishwashers use water blasting with grit to scrub dishes.

I didn't realise there was grit in the tablets.

Only old ones use a hot drying cycle now.

Mine is only about 2 years old and it does. So they dry by magic?

What tablets?

The things you put in to wash the dishes! The detergent!

I don't use tablets.

Me too neither. I use Finish powder - which you can only get in 1kg
plastic jobs now rather than the 3kg ones that used to be available.
They've pushed all the suckers towards tablets as they are more
expensive.

I buy them for convenience. And they cost **** all, especially
supermarket's own.

But the salt in them is useless as it gets nowhere near the water
softener.



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On Mon, 08 Aug 2016 22:54:46 +0100, Tim Streater wrote:

In article , Bob Eager
wrote:

On Mon, 08 Aug 2016 22:29:52 +0100, James Wilkinson wrote:

On Mon, 08 Aug 2016 22:08:47 +0100, Bob Eager
wrote:

On Mon, 08 Aug 2016 20:15:59 +0100, James Wilkinson wrote:

On Mon, 08 Aug 2016 20:13:29 +0100, wrote:

On Monday, 8 August 2016 16:12:44 UTC+1, James Wilkinson wrote:
On Mon, 08 Aug 2016 13:22:35 +0100, Rod Speed
wrote:
"whisky-dave" wrote in message
...
On Thursday, 4 August 2016 21:08:50 UTC+1, Rod Speed wrote:

The latest Bosch only cost me $50 at a garage sale and works
fine.

for me it'd be the running cost that would annoy me I suspect.

More fool you. It actually costs less to run than doing it by
hand.

Sure? Dishwashers only wash properly at something like 75C. You
don't use anything like that temperature by hand, most of the work
is done by scrubbing, but a dishwasher can't scrub. You also drip
dry things, or dry them with a towel. The dishwasher uses heat.

Dishwashers use water blasting with grit to scrub dishes.

I didn't realise there was grit in the tablets.

Only old ones use a hot drying cycle now.

Mine is only about 2 years old and it does. So they dry by magic?

What tablets?

The things you put in to wash the dishes! The detergent!

I don't use tablets.

Me too neither. I use Finish powder - which you can only get in 1kg
plastic jobs now rather than the 3kg ones that used to be available.
They've pushed all the suckers towards tablets as they are more
expensive.

http://cpc.farnell.com/shorrock-tric...owder-10kg/dp/
SA01340

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On Mon, 08 Aug 2016 22:07:45 +0100, Rod Speed wrote:



"James Wilkinson" wrote in message
news
On Mon, 08 Aug 2016 13:22:35 +0100, Rod Speed
wrote:



"whisky-dave" wrote in message
...
On Thursday, 4 August 2016 21:08:50 UTC+1, Rod Speed wrote:
"whisky-dave" wrote in message
...
On Thursday, 4 August 2016 09:01:42 UTC+1, Bod wrote:
On 04/08/2016 08:49, Andy Burns wrote:
Pet @ www.gymratz.co.uk ;¬) wrote:

apparently "they don't make dishes
anymore" so we only have deep bowls

My (not ancient) crockery has rice bowls and cereal dishes, I find
the
rice bowls far better for cereal, than the cereal bowls which are
too
shallow and slosh out the sides to easily.

you'll appreciate the havoc that
causes trying to load the machine efficiently

Not really, no space for a washdisher here.

Washing up by hand only takes about 3 or 4 minutes with just the two
of
us.

Even less with takeways. :-)

A Fishwasher is a waste of money to us and simply something else to
go
wrong, also takes up unnecessary space.

I cod do with one when I'm really lazy

Can't see why I should be doing what a machine can do for me.

for me it depends on the machine.

It actually depends on how much work is involved in doing it by hand..

I can make a cup of tea all by myself I don;t need a teasmaid
they just seem more trouble than they are worth.

And only a fool thinks that about a dishwasher or washing machine.

I run mine about every 9 days for the normal stuff and another run
for the full sized beer bottles we call long necks every 24 days.

I don't have one to run.

More fool you.

Soemthing wrong with the washing machine at the WE.
took from friday 8pm to sunday 6pm to do a wash
although I turned it off at night.

Time to get it fixed.

If I get off my arse and fix the original one that is now
40+ years old and likely just has a scaled up solenoid
valve, I'll likely have two, mainly so I can just put stuff
straight into the appropriate dishwasher as it is used.

how many of yuo are there ?

One.

The latest Bosch only cost me $50 at a garage sale
and works fine.

for me it'd be the running cost that would annoy me I suspect.

More fool you. It actually costs less to run than doing it by hand.

Sure?

Yep, essentially because hand washing after
every meal uses a hell of a lot more hot water
than running the dishwasher every 4 days or so.

Dishwashers only wash properly at something like 75C. You don't use
anything like that temperature by hand,

Yes, but you use a hell of a lot more water.

most of the work is done by scrubbing, but a dishwasher can't scrub. You
also drip dry things, or dry them with a towel. The dishwasher uses heat.

Not always, my original one didn't, just did a hot rinse and you
just open the door when its finished and let the stuff air dry.

I don't need to be there to open the door.

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"James Wilkinson" wrote in message
news
On Mon, 08 Aug 2016 22:08:05 +0100, Bob Eager wrote:

On Mon, 08 Aug 2016 12:13:29 -0700, tabbypurr wrote:

On Monday, 8 August 2016 16:12:44 UTC+1, James Wilkinson wrote:
On Mon, 08 Aug 2016 13:22:35 +0100, Rod Speed
wrote:
"whisky-dave" wrote in message
...
On Thursday, 4 August 2016 21:08:50 UTC+1, Rod Speed wrote:

The latest Bosch only cost me $50 at a garage sale and works fine.

for me it'd be the running cost that would annoy me I suspect.

More fool you. It actually costs less to run than doing it by hand.

Sure? Dishwashers only wash properly at something like 75C. You don't
use anything like that temperature by hand, most of the work is done by
scrubbing, but a dishwasher can't scrub. You also drip dry things, or
dry them with a towel. The dishwasher uses heat.

Dishwashers use water blasting with grit to scrub dishes. Only old ones
use a hot drying cycle now.

That would explain why the new one (new model) I bought last year
uses...errr...heat.

No other way to dry dishes really.

The obvious alternative is a final hot rinse.

Apart from a class 2 hurricane, which might damage the crockery. Dyson
will try it one day.

Snip


What tablets?

The things you put in to wash the dishes! The detergent!

I don't use tablets.

Me too neither. I use Finish powder - which you can only get in 1kg
plastic jobs now rather than the 3kg ones that used to be
available. They've pushed all the suckers towards tablets as they
are more expensive.

I buy them for convenience. And they cost **** all, especially
supermarket's own.

But the salt in them is useless as it gets nowhere near the water
softener.




Whatever it does, we use use tablets, we live in a Very Hard Water
area, and we never have any problems associated with hard water when
using our dishwasher.

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On Monday, 8 August 2016 21:38:12 UTC+1, Rod Speed wrote:
tabbypurr wrote
Rod Speed wrote
tabbypurr wrote
whisky-dave wrote
Rod Speed wrote

The latest Bosch only cost me $50 at a garage sale and works fine.

for me it'd be the running cost that would annoy me I suspect.

12-20p a wash versus half an hour or so of hand washing.

Mine is closer to 5p a wash and that is with Finish, not some cheap ****.

Finish costs more than 5p a tablet.

Not at the best prices it is ever sold for it doesnt.

My figure was TCO per wash.

So was mine tho the only additional cost is the cost
of heating the water. I dont bother with rinse aid
and never need to do anything about hard water.

Finish tabs are over 5p each. Electricity use is over 5p per wash. You're a bull****ting waste of time as always.


NT

On Mon, 08 Aug 2016 22:54:46 +0100, Tim Streater wrote:
In article , Bob Eager
wrote:

I don't use tablets.

Me too neither. I use Finish powder - which you can only get in 1kg
plastic jobs now rather than the 3kg ones that used to be available.
They've pushed all the suckers towards tablets as they are more
expensive.

Not the first time I've heard that. But when I've looked, I've never found powders as cheap as tablets.


NT

On Mon, 08 Aug 2016 23:27:33 +0100, Bob Eager wrote:

On Mon, 08 Aug 2016 23:03:44 +0100, James Wilkinson wrote:

On Mon, 08 Aug 2016 22:54:46 +0100, Tim Streater
wrote:

In article , Bob Eager
wrote:

On Mon, 08 Aug 2016 22:29:52 +0100, James Wilkinson wrote:

On Mon, 08 Aug 2016 22:08:47 +0100, Bob Eager
wrote:

On Mon, 08 Aug 2016 20:15:59 +0100, James Wilkinson wrote:

On Mon, 08 Aug 2016 20:13:29 +0100, wrote:

On Monday, 8 August 2016 16:12:44 UTC+1, James Wilkinson wrote:
On Mon, 08 Aug 2016 13:22:35 +0100, Rod Speed
wrote:
"whisky-dave" wrote in message
...
On Thursday, 4 August 2016 21:08:50 UTC+1, Rod Speed wrote:

The latest Bosch only cost me $50 at a garage sale and works
fine.

for me it'd be the running cost that would annoy me I suspect.

More fool you. It actually costs less to run than doing it by
hand.

Sure? Dishwashers only wash properly at something like 75C. You
don't use anything like that temperature by hand, most of the
work is done by scrubbing, but a dishwasher can't scrub. You
also drip dry things, or dry them with a towel. The dishwasher
uses heat.

Dishwashers use water blasting with grit to scrub dishes.

I didn't realise there was grit in the tablets.

Only old ones use a hot drying cycle now.

Mine is only about 2 years old and it does. So they dry by magic?

What tablets?

The things you put in to wash the dishes! The detergent!

I don't use tablets.

Me too neither. I use Finish powder - which you can only get in 1kg
plastic jobs now rather than the 3kg ones that used to be available.
They've pushed all the suckers towards tablets as they are more
expensive.

I buy them for convenience. And they cost **** all, especially
supermarket's own.

But the salt in them is useless as it gets nowhere near the water
softener.

I don't buy them for their salt, I buy them to clean the dishes.


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On Mon, 08 Aug 2016 23:51:43 +0100, Rod Speed wrote:



"James Wilkinson" wrote in message
news
On Mon, 08 Aug 2016 22:08:05 +0100, Bob Eager wrote:

On Mon, 08 Aug 2016 12:13:29 -0700, tabbypurr wrote:

On Monday, 8 August 2016 16:12:44 UTC+1, James Wilkinson wrote:
On Mon, 08 Aug 2016 13:22:35 +0100, Rod Speed
wrote:
"whisky-dave" wrote in message
...
On Thursday, 4 August 2016 21:08:50 UTC+1, Rod Speed wrote:

The latest Bosch only cost me $50 at a garage sale and works fine.

for me it'd be the running cost that would annoy me I suspect.

More fool you. It actually costs less to run than doing it by hand.

Sure? Dishwashers only wash properly at something like 75C. You don't
use anything like that temperature by hand, most of the work is done by
scrubbing, but a dishwasher can't scrub. You also drip dry things, or
dry them with a towel. The dishwasher uses heat.

Dishwashers use water blasting with grit to scrub dishes. Only old ones
use a hot drying cycle now.

That would explain why the new one (new model) I bought last year
uses...errr...heat.

No other way to dry dishes really.

The obvious alternative is a final hot rinse.

More EU greenie regulations?

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On Mon, 08 Aug 2016 23:35:09 +0100, Bob Eager wrote:

On Mon, 08 Aug 2016 22:54:46 +0100, Tim Streater wrote:

In article , Bob Eager
wrote:

On Mon, 08 Aug 2016 22:29:52 +0100, James Wilkinson wrote:

On Mon, 08 Aug 2016 22:08:47 +0100, Bob Eager
wrote:

On Mon, 08 Aug 2016 20:15:59 +0100, James Wilkinson wrote:

On Mon, 08 Aug 2016 20:13:29 +0100, wrote:

On Monday, 8 August 2016 16:12:44 UTC+1, James Wilkinson wrote:
On Mon, 08 Aug 2016 13:22:35 +0100, Rod Speed
wrote:
"whisky-dave" wrote in message
...
On Thursday, 4 August 2016 21:08:50 UTC+1, Rod Speed wrote:

The latest Bosch only cost me $50 at a garage sale and works
fine.

for me it'd be the running cost that would annoy me I suspect.

More fool you. It actually costs less to run than doing it by
hand.

Sure? Dishwashers only wash properly at something like 75C. You
don't use anything like that temperature by hand, most of the work
is done by scrubbing, but a dishwasher can't scrub. You also drip
dry things, or dry them with a towel. The dishwasher uses heat.

Dishwashers use water blasting with grit to scrub dishes.

I didn't realise there was grit in the tablets.

Only old ones use a hot drying cycle now.

Mine is only about 2 years old and it does. So they dry by magic?

What tablets?

The things you put in to wash the dishes! The detergent!

I don't use tablets.

Me too neither. I use Finish powder - which you can only get in 1kg
plastic jobs now rather than the 3kg ones that used to be available.
They've pushed all the suckers towards tablets as they are more
expensive.

http://cpc.farnell.com/shorrock-tric...owder-10kg/dp/
SA01340

Morrisons tablets are 5p each.

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