I assume the apprentice got it in the neck. Not fair, really. Forgetting
your bomb is an easy mistake to make.

On Monday, 16 May 2016 10:20:40 UTC+1, GB wrote:
I assume the apprentice got it in the neck. Not fair, really. Forgetting
your bomb is an easy mistake to make.

At least it was only a pretend bomb.

"mobile phone device wired to a piece of piping to give it the look of a real bomb was taped to the back of a toilet door"

Perhaps the security company should consider that real terrorists with even half a brain make their bombs look like innocuous items and not bombs!

Owain

On 16/05/16 10:59, wrote:
On Monday, 16 May 2016 10:20:40 UTC+1, GB wrote:
I assume the apprentice got it in the neck. Not fair, really. Forgetting
your bomb is an easy mistake to make.

At least it was only a pretend bomb.

"mobile phone device wired to a piece of piping to give it the look of a real bomb was taped to the back of a toilet door"

Perhaps the security company should consider that real terrorists with even half a brain make their bombs look like innocuous items and not bombs!


Yes, but given that the exercise probably involved minimum wage security
personnel, I'm surprised they didn't have to use a big, black-painted
sphere with a lighted fuse stuck in the top and big white letters
spelling beum.

Nick

On 16/05/2016 10:59, wrote:
On Monday, 16 May 2016 10:20:40 UTC+1, GB wrote:
I assume the apprentice got it in the neck. Not fair, really. Forgetting
your bomb is an easy mistake to make.

It does seem to be a rather basic mistake not to count how many bombs
you have before leaving.

At least it was only a pretend bomb.

"mobile phone device wired to a piece of piping to give it the look of a real bomb was taped to the back of a toilet door"

Perhaps the security company should consider that real terrorists with even half a brain make their bombs look like innocuous items and not bombs!

Perhaps, after this, we will start to see dummy bombs being deployed by
terrorists just to cause as much disruption as possible.

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On Mon, 16 May 2016 11:06:24 +0100, Nick Odell wrote:

On 16/05/16 10:59, wrote:
On Monday, 16 May 2016 10:20:40 UTC+1, GB wrote:
I assume the apprentice got it in the neck. Not fair, really.
Forgetting your bomb is an easy mistake to make.

At least it was only a pretend bomb.

"mobile phone device wired to a piece of piping to give it the look of a
real bomb was taped to the back of a toilet door"

Perhaps the security company should consider that real terrorists with
even half a brain make their bombs look like innocuous items and not
bombs!


Yes, but given that the exercise probably involved minimum wage security
personnel, I'm surprised they didn't have to use a big, black-painted
sphere with a lighted fuse stuck in the top and big white letters spelling
beum.

Beum?

Oh, you mean "bomb".

Yes. Zat iz wat I /sed/, a beum.
Francois: Do you know what kind of a behm... /bomb/ it was?
Clouseau: Yes, the exploding kind.

On 5/16/2016 11:39 AM, Nightjar cpb wrote:
On 16/05/2016 10:59, wrote:
On Monday, 16 May 2016 10:20:40 UTC+1, GB wrote:
I assume the apprentice got it in the neck. Not fair, really. Forgetting
your bomb is an easy mistake to make.

It does seem to be a rather basic mistake not to count how many bombs
you have before leaving.

At least it was only a pretend bomb.

"mobile phone device wired to a piece of piping to give it the look of
a real bomb was taped to the back of a toilet door"

Perhaps the security company should consider that real terrorists with
even half a brain make their bombs look like innocuous items and not
bombs!

Perhaps, after this, we will start to see dummy bombs being deployed by
terrorists just to cause as much disruption as possible.

Well, the IRA used to send fake bomb warnings in the 1970's, even less
risky than planting fake bombs and nearly as disruptive, especially
after Elfin Safety got involved.

After one such at my workplace, I recall being asked by Tannoy to look
around my laboratory for anything obviously out-of-place. There was
subsequently much debate over whether this was an appropriate
instruction, although to my mind it was perfectly reasonable. Even a
bomb expert would have little hope of quickly recognising a bomb
masquerading as a piece of our home-brew instrumentation, although I
suppose a trained dog or modern explosive sniffers might have a better
chance.

En el artículo , Martin
Barclay escribió:

Yes. Zat iz wat I /sed/, a beum.
Francois: Do you know what kind of a behm... /bomb/ it was?
Clouseau: Yes, the exploding kind.



I recently re-watched all the PP movies. A couple have aged well, a
couple haven't. Time for me to leave the reum clutching my minkey.

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On Monday, 16 May 2016 11:39:24 UTC+1, wrote:
On 16/05/2016 10:59, wrote:
On Monday, 16 May 2016 10:20:40 UTC+1, GB wrote:
I assume the apprentice got it in the neck. Not fair, really. Forgetting
your bomb is an easy mistake to make.

It does seem to be a rather basic mistake not to count how many bombs
you have before leaving.

"I counted them all out, but I didn't count them all back", as I posted earlier elsewhere...

On 16/05/2016 10:20, GB wrote:
I assume the apprentice got it in the neck. Not fair, really. Forgetting
your bomb is an easy mistake to make.

The more embarrassed apprentice is the one who missed in the pre match
sweep!

Only took them 4 days to find it!

"Fredxxx" wrote in message
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On 16/05/2016 10:20, GB wrote:
I assume the apprentice got it in the neck. Not fair, really. Forgetting
your bomb is an easy mistake to make.

The more embarrassed apprentice is the one who missed in the pre match
sweep!

Only took them 4 days to find it!

That's about right isn't it

Apparently, the security company's sub contractor who didn't retrieve the
bomb is going to get the sack.

but ISTM that's "shooting the messenger."

The bomb didn't get left behind just because the subbies didn't retrieve it
after the exercise

it got left behind because the main contract didn't FIND it, during the
exercise.

It is the main contractor who should be getting the can here

tim

On 16/05/2016 12:38, newshound wrote:
On 5/16/2016 11:39 AM, Nightjar cpb wrote:
On 16/05/2016 10:59, wrote:
On Monday, 16 May 2016 10:20:40 UTC+1, GB wrote:
I assume the apprentice got it in the neck. Not fair, really.
Forgetting
your bomb is an easy mistake to make.

It does seem to be a rather basic mistake not to count how many bombs
you have before leaving.

At least it was only a pretend bomb.

"mobile phone device wired to a piece of piping to give it the look of
a real bomb was taped to the back of a toilet door"

Perhaps the security company should consider that real terrorists with
even half a brain make their bombs look like innocuous items and not
bombs!

Perhaps, after this, we will start to see dummy bombs being deployed by
terrorists just to cause as much disruption as possible.

Well, the IRA used to send fake bomb warnings in the 1970's, even less
risky than planting fake bombs and nearly as disruptive, especially
after Elfin Safety got involved.

The IRA had the advantage of being known to be capable of planting the
real thing and having recognised code words for their warnings.

After one such at my workplace, I recall being asked by Tannoy to look
around my laboratory for anything obviously out-of-place. There was
subsequently much debate over whether this was an appropriate
instruction, although to my mind it was perfectly reasonable. Even a
bomb expert would have little hope of quickly recognising a bomb
masquerading as a piece of our home-brew instrumentation, although I
suppose a trained dog or modern explosive sniffers might have a better
chance.

The vast majority of bomb warnings (99.9% according to one source) are
entirely false and involve no device, real or fake. Therefore, unless
there is a very good reason to believe the threat is genuine, the first
step is always to search the premises, which is usually best done by
people who know the area well.

The search also serves to keep people occupied and out of the evacuation
routes until they have been cleared. In a real attack, they may be where
bombs are planted for maximum effect. In the recent Brussels bombing,
running from the first blast took many people towards the second.


--
Colin Bignell

On 16/05/2016 18:39, Nightjar cpb wrote:

The search also serves to keep people occupied and out of the evacuation
routes until they have been cleared. In a real attack, they may be where
bombs are planted for maximum effect. In the recent Brussels bombing,
running from the first blast took many people towards the second.

Is there any point running from a bomb that has already gone off? Ofc
there may be a second one, but unless you know where that one is running
makes no sense.

On Monday, 16 May 2016 19:11:22 UTC+1, GB wrote:
Is there any point running from a bomb that has already gone off?

Bits might fall off damaged buildings seconds or minutes after the explosion.

Owain

wrote in message
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On Monday, 16 May 2016 19:11:22 UTC+1, GB wrote:
Is there any point running from a bomb that has already gone off?

Bits might fall off damaged buildings seconds or minutes after the
explosion.


And the need for clean underwear.

--
Adam

On Mon, 16 May 2016 09:05:29 -0700, mark.bluemel wrote:

On Monday, 16 May 2016 11:39:24 UTC+1, wrote:
On 16/05/2016 10:59, wrote:
On Monday, 16 May 2016 10:20:40 UTC+1, GB wrote:
I assume the apprentice got it in the neck. Not fair, really.
Forgetting your bomb is an easy mistake to make.

It does seem to be a rather basic mistake not to count how many bombs
you have before leaving.

"I counted them all out, but I didn't count them all back", as I posted
earlier elsewhere...

It wasn't an apprentice, either.

It was the MD.




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Yes indeed, I mean having one exactly the same in your bag and assuming it
is the one is a common mistake to make. I'd suggest somebody puts number on
the bombs and checks them against a list before the next outing.
Brian

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I assume the apprentice got it in the neck. Not fair, really. Forgetting
your bomb is an easy mistake to make.

I was thinking the same, but then again, nowadays they seem to make them
look like people.
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On Monday, 16 May 2016 10:20:40 UTC+1, GB wrote:
I assume the apprentice got it in the neck. Not fair, really. Forgetting
your bomb is an easy mistake to make.

At least it was only a pretend bomb.

"mobile phone device wired to a piece of piping to give it the look of a
real bomb was taped to the back of a toilet door"

Perhaps the security company should consider that real terrorists with
even half a brain make their bombs look like innocuous items and not
bombs!

Owain

On Tuesday, 17 May 2016 08:04:46 UTC+1, Brian Gaff wrote:
Yes indeed, I mean having one exactly the same in your bag and assuming it
is the one is a common mistake to make. I'd suggest somebody puts number on
the bombs and checks them against a list before the next outing.

I'd have thought a foolproof approach would be to have a "pigeon-hole" system in your truck. Arrive with all the pigeon holes full and expect to leave in the same state. Even a cursory glance should spot if one or more is/are missing.

On 16/05/2016 19:11, GB wrote:
On 16/05/2016 18:39, Nightjar cpb wrote:

The search also serves to keep people occupied and out of the evacuation
routes until they have been cleared. In a real attack, they may be where
bombs are planted for maximum effect. In the recent Brussels bombing,
running from the first blast took many people towards the second.

Is there any point running from a bomb that has already gone off? Ofc
there may be a second one, but unless you know where that one is running
makes no sense.


People don't always do the sensible thing in an emergency.

--
Colin Bignell

On 17/05/16 08:44, wrote:
On Tuesday, 17 May 2016 08:04:46 UTC+1, Brian Gaff wrote:
Yes indeed, I mean having one exactly the same in your bag and assuming it
is the one is a common mistake to make. I'd suggest somebody puts number on
the bombs and checks them against a list before the next outing.

I'd have thought a foolproof approach would be to have a "pigeon-hole" system in your truck. Arrive with all the pigeon holes full and expect to leave in the same state. Even a cursory glance should spot if one or more is/are missing.


You'd think so - but IME a larger proportion of the population are
extraordinarily bad at organising logistics at any level.

On Tue, 17 May 2016 10:10:31 +0100, Tim Watts wrote:

Yes indeed, I mean having one exactly the same in your bag and
assuming it is the one is a common mistake to make. I'd suggest
somebody puts number on the bombs and checks them against a list
before the next outing.

I'd have thought a foolproof approach would be to have a
"pigeon-hole"
system in your truck. Arrive with all the pigeon holes full and
expect
to leave in the same state. Even a cursory glance should spot if
one or
more is/are missing.

Van? Well maybe but I have sneaky feeling that the company is just
the MD and planting fake bombs doesn't need more than a car and a
bag. I wonder if he has any offical authoristation, just imagine the
reaction of the police if they had some reason to search his car and
found a bag full of these things...

You'd think so - but IME a larger proportion of the population are
extraordinarily bad at organising logistics at any level.

Quite or understand what "single point of failure" means, even people
who should know better still manage to create (suposidly) robust
systems with single point(s) of failure.

In this case with these things being laid in third party properties
one would expect decent documentation signed off on installation and
retrival. Documentation that included a description, or better
picture, of the "device" and where it has been placed. Copies for the
third party, the search company and file.

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Cheers
Dave.

Dave Liquorice wrote:

I have sneaky feeling that the company is just
the MD and planting fake bombs doesn't need more than a car and a
bag. I wonder if he has any offical authoristation, just imagine the
reaction of the police if they had some reason to search his car and
found a bag full of these things...

I imagine being ex-met plod (of 32 years) he's got "contacts"

On 17/05/2016 18:56, Andy Burns wrote:
Dave Liquorice wrote:

I have sneaky feeling that the company is just
the MD and planting fake bombs doesn't need more than a car and a
bag. I wonder if he has any offical authoristation, just imagine the
reaction of the police if they had some reason to search his car and
found a bag full of these things...

I imagine being ex-met plod (of 32 years) he's got "contacts"


I wonder what he will do next? I don't think he'll have much success in
future with his present line of business.

On 5/16/2016 6:39 PM, Nightjar cpb wrote:
On 16/05/2016 12:38, newshound wrote:
On 5/16/2016 11:39 AM, Nightjar cpb wrote:
On 16/05/2016 10:59, wrote:
On Monday, 16 May 2016 10:20:40 UTC+1, GB wrote:
I assume the apprentice got it in the neck. Not fair, really.
Forgetting
your bomb is an easy mistake to make.

It does seem to be a rather basic mistake not to count how many bombs
you have before leaving.

At least it was only a pretend bomb.

"mobile phone device wired to a piece of piping to give it the look of
a real bomb was taped to the back of a toilet door"

Perhaps the security company should consider that real terrorists with
even half a brain make their bombs look like innocuous items and not
bombs!

Perhaps, after this, we will start to see dummy bombs being deployed by
terrorists just to cause as much disruption as possible.

Well, the IRA used to send fake bomb warnings in the 1970's, even less
risky than planting fake bombs and nearly as disruptive, especially
after Elfin Safety got involved.

The IRA had the advantage of being known to be capable of planting the
real thing and having recognised code words for their warnings.

I should have said, this one had a code word so it was plausible. I
think they used to issue many fakes for each real one, although the
proportion varied. To my mind the real reason not to worry too much was
that it was a fairly secure site requiring visible passes at all times.


The vast majority of bomb warnings (99.9% according to one source) are
entirely false and involve no device, real or fake. Therefore, unless
there is a very good reason to believe the threat is genuine, the first
step is always to search the premises, which is usually best done by
people who know the area well.

The search also serves to keep people occupied and out of the evacuation
routes until they have been cleared. In a real attack, they may be where
bombs are planted for maximum effect. In the recent Brussels bombing,
running from the first blast took many people towards the second.

On Tue, 17 May 2016 21:51:22 +0100, newshound wrote:

I should have said, this one had a code word so it was plausible.

Not sure to which "this one" you are referring, a past fake IRA
warning or the weekends Man U "device".

To my mind the real reason not to worry too much was that it was a
fairly secure site requiring visible passes at all times.

Man U? Secure? Well in my estimation about as secure as collander.
Little bit of research, a clipboard, something that looks like a pass
and air of authority will do. As it will do for most such places.

The vast majority of bomb warnings (99.9% according to one source)
are
entirely false and involve no device, real or fake. Therefore,
unless
there is a very good reason to believe the threat is genuine, the
first
step is always to search the premises, which is usually best done
by
people who know the area well.

For just warnings I'd tend to agree but the device was found at Man.
U. Very little choice but to evacuate.

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Cheers
Dave.

On 17/05/2016 17:23, Dave Liquorice wrote:
....
Van? Well maybe but I have sneaky feeling that the company is just
the MD and planting fake bombs doesn't need more than a car and a
bag. I wonder if he has any offical authoristation, just imagine the
reaction of the police if they had some reason to search his car and
found a bag full of these things...

I recall, may years ago, a salesman for a company that made very
realistic skeleton models was stopped by the Police at a routine check.
They found his sample case, full of what looked like human bones,
including a skull. He spent several hours in custody before it was all
sorted out.


--
Colin Bignell

On 17/05/2016 19:33, GB wrote:
On 17/05/2016 18:56, Andy Burns wrote:
Dave Liquorice wrote:

I have sneaky feeling that the company is just
the MD and planting fake bombs doesn't need more than a car and a
bag. I wonder if he has any offical authoristation, just imagine the
reaction of the police if they had some reason to search his car and
found a bag full of these things...

I imagine being ex-met plod (of 32 years) he's got "contacts"


I wonder what he will do next? I don't think he'll have much success in
future with his present line of business.

The bigger issue is that his 'bomb' wasn't picked up by Man U security
in the *days* after he left it. He made a simple (but regrettable!)
mistake, they failed completely to do what they had been trained and
paid to do over days.

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F

On 18/05/2016 09:44, Nightjar cpb wrote:
On 17/05/2016 17:23, Dave Liquorice wrote:
...
Van? Well maybe but I have sneaky feeling that the company is just
the MD and planting fake bombs doesn't need more than a car and a
bag. I wonder if he has any offical authoristation, just imagine the
reaction of the police if they had some reason to search his car and
found a bag full of these things...

I recall, may years ago, a salesman for a company that made very
realistic skeleton models was stopped by the Police at a routine check.
They found his sample case, full of what looked like human bones,
including a skull. He spent several hours in custody before it was all
sorted out.


Surely, if he was a salesman, he'd have a catalogue and other paperwork
to show them? More of an issue if he was a home-worker bringing in his
finished work, maybe.

On 18/05/2016 09:50, GB wrote:
On 18/05/2016 09:44, Nightjar cpb wrote:
On 17/05/2016 17:23, Dave Liquorice wrote:
...
Van? Well maybe but I have sneaky feeling that the company is just
the MD and planting fake bombs doesn't need more than a car and a
bag. I wonder if he has any offical authoristation, just imagine the
reaction of the police if they had some reason to search his car and
found a bag full of these things...

I recall, may years ago, a salesman for a company that made very
realistic skeleton models was stopped by the Police at a routine check.
They found his sample case, full of what looked like human bones,
including a skull. He spent several hours in custody before it was all
sorted out.


Surely, if he was a salesman, he'd have a catalogue and other paperwork
to show them? More of an issue if he was a home-worker bringing in his
finished work, maybe.

AIUI, the problem was that the Police thought the bones looked too
realistic to be models and weren't going to let him go until somebody
proved they were.

--
Colin Bignell