In article ,
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
No, it was never about that.

http://www.jamescarver.org.uk/blog.php?id=11

A UKIP blog. Must be true, then.

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In article ,
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Tim Streater wrote:
In article , News
wrote:

Just suppose Brexit did result in other exits over time and,
eventually, to the downfall of Europe as we have known it since WWII.
Just suppose it did lead to another European war. Could I ever
forgive myself if I had voted out, even if I were six feet under by
then?

It will end in tears whether we leave or not.

I'm inclined to believe that.

Quite what form those
tears will take I know not. Who would have predicted the immigrant and
Euro messes anyway.

Anyone with half a brain cell. If you bomb the **** out of a country, many
will leave. And with travel being easier now than it ever was, it's
obvious they will head to the closest place of safety where they think
they can have a better life. Influenced by what they've seen via the web
etc. Every man and his dog in the poorest country now has some idea of
life in other countries.

The streets of London have been "paved with gold" for a very long time.



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In message , The Natural Philosopher
writes
On 13/03/16 10:57, Tim Lamb wrote:
It is standard practice actually to spray herbicicide on the cereal
crops in order to kill the lot off, so its all nice and dried out by
the time you combine it.

I'm not up to date on this but applied farm chemicals are a significant
part of the growing cost and not used without careful consideration.

I suppose you might use pre-harvest glyphosate on a cereal crop with a
high weed burden or where a clean seedbed is required for a following
crop of OSR

No. its standard on rape. My bad, I said cereal, but in fact its rape
they spray off.

OK.

They used to desiccate potato haulm with dilute sulphuric acid!

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In article ,
Tim Streater wrote:
In article , Dave Plowman (News)
wrote:

In article ,
michael adams wrote:
The exact reason we should leave and do exactly what we want.

The UK has never been able to do exactly what she wants.

Of course not. And if do leave the EU, will still need to meet all the
standards they impose for imports, etc.

Only those who export to the EU will need to meet those standards. Not
everyone else.

Right - you're recommending cutting off all ties to the EU, including
being able to export to them?

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In article ,
Tim Streater wrote:
Anyone with half a brain cell. If you bomb the **** out of a country,
many

Could you address this comment to Assad and the Russians, whose bombing
is responsible?

will leave.

Do you actually think those being bombed care who does the bombing?

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In article ,
Tim Streater wrote:
And then there's the Euro mess, which you ignored, and which
fortunately doesn't affect us directly, but which has badly affected
Italy and Greece, as you may have noticed. The Euro, which all the
prominent inners told us we had to be part of, or face disaster.

Must be why the UK has been such a brilliant financial success in the past
few years then - not being in the Euro.

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On 13/03/2016 12:27, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Fredxxx wrote:
Its called supply and demand, the sort of things socialists are in
denial of.

More immigrants = too many people chasing too few jobs = lower wages.

Exactly what the average right winger wants? The rich get richer while the
poor poorer?

More immigrants = increased demand on housing = higher house prices.

Exactly what the average right winger wants?

Is that any help?

So if you want higher wages and more affordable housing, that must make
you a socialist?

Surely by accepting and agreeing that fundamental aspects of our life
are dependant on supply and demand that would make me a right-winger in
most eyes?

There are many who have accumulated their wealth under socialism,
providing them with a good income and cheap housing.

Unfortunately they are the same who whinge at those having those same
aspirations today.

En el artículo ,
escribió:

Plaque
on both their houses.

They're using the wrong brand of toothpaste?

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On 13/03/2016 12:40, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Rod Speed wrote:
But when out, its legislation that Britain chooses
to have, not legislation imposed by the EU.

Britain doesn't choose its legislation. That is imposed by the government
in power. Only recent thing Britain did get a choice on was Scottish
independence.


We did not get a choice.
They would be independent if we had a choice.

On 13/03/2016 12:17, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Rod Speed wrote:
We are *forced* to import such things?

Yes. While ever Britain is in the EU, it can't ban imports
from other EU countrys that don’t bother to enforce the
legislation on the time between spraying and harvest.

Right. So everyone in the UK is *forced* to buy EU cauliflowers. And every
supermarket is *forced* to import them.

You must live in a very odd planet.


He obviously doesn't know that all the food stuff is tested and we have
had limits in place far longer than the EU regulations have been about.

On Sunday, 13 March 2016 12:29:22 UTC, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Fredxxx wrote:
Its called supply and demand, the sort of things socialists are in
denial of.

More immigrants = too many people chasing too few jobs = lower wages.

Exactly what the average right winger wants? The rich get richer while the
poor poorer?

More immigrants = increased demand on housing = higher house prices.

Exactly what the average right winger wants?

Is that any help?

So if you want higher wages and more affordable housing, that must make
you a socialist?


It's the reason why socialists should want our more than anybody else.
Most of them have more to lose then anybody else.

But they don't which is why they're brain dead.

On Sunday, 13 March 2016 08:09:13 UTC, Richard wrote:
"News" wrote in message ...

In message ,
writes

Every time I hear an Outer talking is persudes me to vote In
every time I head an Inner talking they persuade me to vote Out.

+1

I'm still undecided. Initially, I would have voted to stay in, without
much thought, then, after some listening and reading, I veered towards
out. Now, I just don't know, although stay seems favourite.

What is the EU really all about? Go back 60+ years and an integrated
Europe was about prevention of another European war. That was first and
foremost, at least from the British view. Anything else was almost a
bonus.

Look at the possibility of a UK exit from the European side. Is it
really about Britain leaving, or about Britain setting a precedent? Were
we to leave, would any other countries follow? Not the recent members,
but any of the longer term 'traditional' European countries who also
feel hard done by? The possibility of the EU becoming Germany and all
the hangers on?

Just suppose Brexit did result in other exits over time and, eventually,
to the downfall of Europe as we have known it since WWII. Just suppose
it did lead to another European war. Could I ever forgive myself if I
had voted out, even if I were six feet under by then?

Europe has already fallen. The war is happening right now.

That's probably true.

"Tim Lamb" wrote in message
...
In message , The Natural Philosopher
writes
On 12/03/16 21:11, Tim Lamb wrote:
In message , Jonno
writes
Roger Mills scribbled


On 12/03/2016 16:12, wrote:


Great - leave the EU and be allowed to eat poisonous cauliflowers.

Why will it make any difference? Seems like they're *already* sending
us
poisonous cauliflowers because they're harvesting too soon after
spraying. I don't know what checks (if any) we make on what comes in -
but we may well tighten up on that after we've left.


WTF would a farmer spray expensive chemicals onto a crop he's going to
lift in 48 hours?

Marketability? Maybe he intended to spray earlier but was held up by
weather or mechanical breakdown. Maybe a contractor got the wrong field.

It is standard practice actually to spray herbicicide on the cereal crops
in order to kill the lot off, so its all nice and dried out by the time
you combine it.

I'm not up to date on this but applied farm chemicals are a significant
part of the growing cost and not used without careful consideration.

I suppose you might use pre-harvest glyphosate on a cereal crop with a
high weed burden or where a clean seedbed is required for a following crop
of OSR

It is in fact used to handle the shorter growing season in places like
Canada.
http://www.nurselovesfarmer.com/2014...ate-and-wheat/

"Richard" wrote in message
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"Sam Crean" wrote in message ...


**** off rod.

Go and **** yourself, gutless.

tim... wrote
The Natural Philosopher wrote
tim... wrote
Tim Lamb wrote

Yes. Exactly my view. There is also a perception that our bureaucrats
are better at enforcing legislation than those elsewhere in Europe.

they almost certainly are,

but coming out is not going to change that

No, but it may mean that we get to choose the legislation we enforce.

as the Spanish et al have shown, we can choose not to enforce it now

but we don't do that sort of thing in this country

You do actually. Even Britain isnt actually stupid enough
to pay the immense cost of having inspectors check the
time between the application of a spray and harvest
time with every single crop in the country.

Britain doesnt even do the most basic checks like whether
what is claimed to not be horse meat actually isn't horse meat.

"Richard" wrote in message
...
"tim..." wrote in message ...


"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...
On 13/03/16 10:10, tim... wrote:

"Tim Lamb" wrote in message


Yes. Exactly my view. There is also a perception that our bureaucrats
are better at enforcing legislation than those elsewhere in Europe.

they almost certainly are,

but coming out is not going to change that


No, but it may mean that we get to choose the legislation we enforce.

as the Spanish et al have shown, we can choose not to enforce it now

but we don't do that sort of thing in this country

tim

That's the trouble, we tend to play by the rules.

Not with the tax rules you dont.

"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...
On 13/03/16 10:57, Tim Lamb wrote:
In message , The Natural Philosopher
writes
On 12/03/16 21:11, Tim Lamb wrote:
In message , Jonno
writes
Roger Mills scribbled


On 12/03/2016 16:12, wrote:


Great - leave the EU and be allowed to eat poisonous cauliflowers.

Why will it make any difference? Seems like they're *already*
sending us
poisonous cauliflowers because they're harvesting too soon after
spraying. I don't know what checks (if any) we make on what comes
in -
but we may well tighten up on that after we've left.


WTF would a farmer spray expensive chemicals onto a crop he's going to
lift in 48 hours?

Marketability? Maybe he intended to spray earlier but was held up by
weather or mechanical breakdown. Maybe a contractor got the wrong
field.

It is standard practice actually to spray herbicicide on the cereal
crops in order to kill the lot off, so its all nice and dried out by
the time you combine it.

I'm not up to date on this but applied farm chemicals are a significant
part of the growing cost and not used without careful consideration.

I suppose you might use pre-harvest glyphosate on a cereal crop with a
high weed burden or where a clean seedbed is required for a following
crop of OSR

No. its standard on rape. My bad, I said cereal, but in fact its rape they
spray off.

It's also done with wheat in the shorter growing season areas.
http://www.nurselovesfarmer.com/2014...ate-and-wheat/

Dave Plowman (News) wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Dave Plowman (News) wrote

It's very odd that every industry claims to be hog tied
by European legislation - yet when asked, seem to have
problems supplying just one concrete and important one.

The working hours mandate you wave around is one obvious example.

It's one of the very obvious better bits of EU legislation, yes.

And one obvious example of where industry is hog tied by European
legislation.

But not to those like you who don't know what hard work actually is.

I ALWAYS worked much longer hours than that mandate allows.

And it is completely stupid to prevent people from doing that if they want
to.

Dave Plowman (News) wrote
michael adams wrote

The exact reason we should leave and do exactly what we want.

The UK has never been able to do exactly what she wants.

Of course not. And if do leave the EU, will still need to
meet all the standards they impose for imports, etc.

But are free to allow anything you like with the stuff you don’t export to
them.

Britain does in fact export **** all in the way of ag produce to the EU
anyway.

**** all of anything much else manufactured goods wise either.
Completely dominated by Airbus components which aren't done
to EU standards anyway, what they have to comply with is what
Airbus requires, not the EU.

Dave Plowman (News) wrote
Rod Speed wrote

I'd have thought he'd have a big selection on the tip of his tongue if
they are so much of a problem. Anyone could have guessed they'd
have been asked. I've done it on here and not had any decent answers.

Another bare faced lie.

Please quote some of those decent answers then.

The working hours mandate is one obvious example
of what was imposed by the EU and which applys to
almost everyone and is quite a bit more onerous
than what applied before. You keep ignoring that.

Another obvious example is the complete freedom
of movement of EU citizens which even you should
have noticed is a considerable problem for Britain.

Dave Plowman (News) wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Dave Plowman (News) wrote

We are *forced* to import such things?

Yes. While ever Britain is in the EU, it can't ban imports
from other EU countrys that don't bother to enforce the
legislation on the time between spraying and harvest.

Right. So everyone in the UK is *forced* to buy EU cauliflowers.

No one ever said that. Britain CAN'T BAN THE IMPORT
OF CAULIFLOWERS FROM SPAIN BECAUSE SPAIN
DOESN'T BOTHER TO POLICE THE LEGISLATION
ON THE TIME BETWEEN SPRAYING AND HARVEST.

Dave Plowman (News) wrote
wrote
Dave Plowman (News) wrote

Was listening to Any Questions on the car radio today - so didn't hear
all of it.

Every time I hear an Outer talking is persudes me to vote In,
but then every time I head an Inner talking they persuade
me to vote Out. Plaque on both their houses.

Lot of sense, that. Politicians of all sides seem to have
sunk to a new low. Which I didn't think possible.

More fool you.

I blame it on all the advertising we're surrounded with.

More fool you.

Far more than once was the case.

Yes, even the ****ing BBC is plastered with
advertising on their news web site.

Most of which seems to be allowed to tell lies or half truths.

Advertising always does, stupid.

So people are getting brain washed into doing the same.

Even sillier than you usually manage. Politics has ALWAYS been like that.

Dave Plowman (News) wrote
Fredxxx wrote

Its called supply and demand, the sort of things socialists are in denial
of.

More immigrants = too many people chasing too few jobs = lower wages.

Exactly what the average right winger wants?
The rich get richer while the poor poorer?

More of your half truths and bare faced lies.

In fact anyone who owns a house gets richer too.

And the real poor, those whose entire income
is benefits, don’t get poorer at all that way.

More immigrants = increased demand on housing = higher house prices.

Exactly what the average right winger wants?

Exactly what many home owners want too.

Is that any help?

So if you want higher wages and more affordable
housing, that must make you a socialist?

No worse than your silly line about right wingers.

Dave Plowman (News) wrote
Tim Streater wrote
News wrote

Just suppose Brexit did result in other exits over time and, eventually,
to the downfall of Europe as we have known it since WWII. Just
suppose it did lead to another European war. Could I ever forgive
myself if I had voted out, even if I were six feet under by then?

It will end in tears whether we leave or not.

I'm inclined to believe that.

More fool you. I don’t believe it will end in tears regardless of
whether Britain leaves or not, just like it didn’t with Scotland.

With a bit of luck quite a few UKIPers may well hang themselves
etc, but when **** all did when the number of seats they have
in Westminster halved and they couldn’t even get their main
liar a seat, even that is very unlikely indeed.

Quite what form those tears will take I know not. Who would
have predicted the immigrant and Euro messes anyway.

Anyone with half a brain cell. If you bomb
the **** out of a country, many will leave.

The absolute vast bulk of those who left Syria did
that before the west did any bombing in Syria at all.

And with travel being easier now than it ever was, it's obvious
they will head to the closest place of safety where they think
they can have a better life. Influenced by what they've seen
via the web etc. Every man and his dog in the poorest
country now has some idea of life in other countries.

Why will it end in tears? Because people will get more
and more fed up with the bullying and hectoring that
is the hallmark of the EU approach, that's why.

So what is needed is the UK to take over all
the bullying and hectoring itself. Only more so.

Yeah, that worked real well in Aden, Palestine,
Egypt, Kenya etc etc etc.

Dave Plowman (News) wrote
News wrote

This is going to rumble on for years. Whichever side wins, the defeated
side will blame every misfortune on the result, even though such cannot
possibly be foreseen, at least not with any real accuracy.

Quite. Which is an argument for the status quo.

Not if you prefer your own elected politicians
to be deciding what legislation applys in Britain.

Lets face it, our politicians etc are very poor at predicting
the future of things which are totally under their control.

So is everyone else.

But expect us to believe them on what will happen if we leave Europe.

But its fine to believe them on what happens if you don’t ?

Dave Plowman (News) wrote
Rod Speed wrote

But when out, its legislation that Britain chooses
to have, not legislation imposed by the EU.

Britain doesn't choose its legislation.

Corse it does.

That is imposed by the government in power.

Which just happens to have been elected
by those of you who bothered to vote.

And if you don’t like what the current govt in power
does legislation wise, you are free to give them the
bums rush at the ballot box and see if the other crew
can do any better. That's what happened with those
two fools Blair and Brown.

Only recent thing Britain did get a choice on was Scottish
independence.

Even you should have noticed they just had a choice on
who the govt is and flushed Labour where it belongs, again.

"charles" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Tim Streater wrote:
In article , News
wrote:

Just suppose Brexit did result in other exits over time and,
eventually, to the downfall of Europe as we have known it since WWII.
Just suppose it did lead to another European war. Could I ever
forgive myself if I had voted out, even if I were six feet under by
then?

It will end in tears whether we leave or not.

I'm inclined to believe that.

Quite what form those
tears will take I know not. Who would have predicted the immigrant and
Euro messes anyway.

Anyone with half a brain cell. If you bomb the **** out of a country,
many
will leave. And with travel being easier now than it ever was, it's
obvious they will head to the closest place of safety where they think
they can have a better life. Influenced by what they've seen via the web
etc. Every man and his dog in the poorest country now has some idea of
life in other countries.

The streets of London have been "paved with gold" for a very long time.

And Dave himself actually believed that and they were
compared with the dregs of Britain that he came from too.

In article ,
Tim Streater wrote:
Only those who export to the EU will need to meet those standards. Not
everyone else.

Right - you're recommending cutting off all ties to the EU, including
being able to export to them?

Dave, stop trying to pretend you're Woddles. The companies that export
to the EU would have to follow EU standards, just as they do when
exporting to the US (then following US standards). Those not exporting
to a particular market do not have to follow the standards imposed by
that particular market. They may choose to, internally, in a device,
but that's a matter for the company concerned.

Well, yes. And how is that any different from now?

As I see it the only way the UK is going to be better off as regards
exports and control over the quality etc of those is by finding new
markets who are willing to accept lower standards than the EU demands.

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Dave Plowman London SW
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In article ,
Tim Streater wrote:
Unlikely. But you're trying to make out that the existence of all these
folk avoiding being bombed is our fault.

Never said it was solely 'our' fault. But the UK is responsible as much as
any other country for the mess that is the middle east, and much more than
most.

That would only be so if our
bombing, such as it is, was causing them. And it isn't.

No matter what the rights and wrongs of it, sticking your head in the sand
isn't going to solve things.

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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Tim Streater wrote:
In article , Dave Plowman (News)
wrote:

In article ,
michael adams wrote:
The exact reason we should leave and do exactly what we want.

The UK has never been able to do exactly what she wants.

Of course not. And if do leave the EU, will still need to meet all the
standards they impose for imports, etc.

Only those who export to the EU will need to meet those standards. Not
everyone else.

Right - you're recommending cutting off all ties to the EU, including
being able to export to them?

Nope, he's rubbing your nose in the fact that its only the
exporters to the EU that have to comply with EU standards.

And there are in fact **** all exports from Britain to the EU right now.

"dennis@home" wrote in message
eb.com...
On 13/03/2016 12:17, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Rod Speed wrote:
We are *forced* to import such things?

Yes. While ever Britain is in the EU, it can't ban imports
from other EU countrys that don’t bother to enforce the
legislation on the time between spraying and harvest.

Right. So everyone in the UK is *forced* to buy EU cauliflowers. And
every
supermarket is *forced* to import them.

You must live in a very odd planet.


He obviously doesn't know that all the food stuff is tested

Bull**** it is. If it was, they wouldn’t have been able to use horse meat
with impunity.

and we have had limits in place far longer than the EU regulations have
been about.

Clearly didn’t work with horse meat.

"harry" wrote in message
...
On Sunday, 13 March 2016 12:29:22 UTC, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Fredxxx wrote:
Its called supply and demand, the sort of things socialists are in
denial of.

More immigrants = too many people chasing too few jobs = lower wages.

Exactly what the average right winger wants? The rich get richer while
the
poor poorer?

More immigrants = increased demand on housing = higher house prices.

Exactly what the average right winger wants?

Is that any help?

So if you want higher wages and more affordable housing, that must make
you a socialist?


It's the reason why socialists should want our more than anybody else.
Most of them have more to lose then anybody else.

But they don't which is why they're brain dead.

Clearly completely blotto, again.

"harry" wrote in message
...
On Sunday, 13 March 2016 08:09:13 UTC, Richard wrote:
"News" wrote in message ...

In message ,
writes

Every time I hear an Outer talking is persudes me to vote In
every time I head an Inner talking they persuade me to vote Out.

+1

I'm still undecided. Initially, I would have voted to stay in, without
much thought, then, after some listening and reading, I veered towards
out. Now, I just don't know, although stay seems favourite.

What is the EU really all about? Go back 60+ years and an integrated
Europe was about prevention of another European war. That was first and
foremost, at least from the British view. Anything else was almost a
bonus.

Look at the possibility of a UK exit from the European side. Is it
really about Britain leaving, or about Britain setting a precedent? Were
we to leave, would any other countries follow? Not the recent members,
but any of the longer term 'traditional' European countries who also
feel hard done by? The possibility of the EU becoming Germany and all
the hangers on?

Just suppose Brexit did result in other exits over time and, eventually,
to the downfall of Europe as we have known it since WWII. Just suppose
it did lead to another European war. Could I ever forgive myself if I
had voted out, even if I were six feet under by then?

Europe has already fallen. The war is happening right now.

That's probably true.

Nope, mindlessly silly and a bare faced lie.

On 12/03/2016 18:49, harry wrote:
On Saturday, 12 March 2016 18:42:34 UTC, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
michael adams wrote:
With one vote in 28 we have no influence on where the EUSSR is going.

That's on the Council of Ministers.

But the same applies equally well to very other country as well.

The only form of democracy the likes of harry wants is one where he gets
his own way. Exactly the same as others who go on about it.

The exact reason we should leave and do exactly what we want.
The EUSSRocrats are brain dead to a (wo)man



leaving would not allow us to do what we want, only to allow others to
do what they want to us, working time directive - gone. human rights- gone.
everything we have gained for the last 100 years - gone.
Harry would be flustered by it all I believe.
We still have no rights whatsoever in this country and need EU to ensure
we are not destroyed by the likes of Bojo, IDS Gove, Hunt etc

On 12/03/2016 23:06, Fredxxx wrote:
On 12/03/2016 22:56, Jonno wrote:
Capitol scribbled


Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In ,
The Natural wrote:

The EU has bribed and connived and corrupted its way into getting
little
countries to sign up to satisfy its appetite for neo-colonial
territorial aggrandisement.

That will be why the likes of Turkey has been trying to get in for
years?

You are actually worse than Wodney for telling lies.



Turkey trying to get in is another nail in the coffin of the
EU. The next step is even more unwanted immigrants, lower wages and
higher house prices and taxes. Just what a Socialist dreams of? Time to
govern ourselves again I think.


Lower wages and higher house prices. HTF does that work?

Its called supply and demand, the sort of things socialists are in
denial of.

More immigrants = too many people chasing too few jobs = lower wages.
More immigrants = increased demand on housing = higher house prices.

Is that any help?

wot a load of bollux, we are in far more danger of low wages and no
houses from the *******s who are in charge of this country now.

On 13/03/2016 10:19, Capitol wrote:
Jonno wrote:
Capitol scribbled

Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In ,
The Natural wrote:

The EU has bribed and connived and corrupted its way into getting
little
countries to sign up to satisfy its appetite for neo-colonial
territorial aggrandisement.

That will be why the likes of Turkey has been trying to get in for
years?

You are actually worse than Wodney for telling lies.


Turkey trying to get in is another nail in the coffin of the
EU. The next step is even more unwanted immigrants, lower wages and
higher house prices and taxes. Just what a Socialist dreams of? Time to
govern ourselves again I think.

Lower wages and higher house prices. HTF does that work?



Intellectually challenged again I see Jonno! Just look at London.
Low wages for cleaners and house prices out of reach for the average
worker.


house prices out of reach for any worker in London other than the ruling
class, to say nothing about social cleansing of council estates in
London to enable more £million plus houses to be built.

On 12/03/2016 17:59, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:


But didn't ask him to expand on what he thought the answer was.

Sadly, he wasn't the brightest. I'm sure he could have thought of EU
regulations which *do* adversely affect him.

I'd have thought he'd have a big selection on the tip of his tongue if
they are so much of a problem. Anyone could have guessed they'd have been
asked. I've done it on here - and not had any decent answers.

I think the point he was
making - albeit not very well - is that UK farmers are disadvantaged by
the fact that *they* obey the regulations whereas farmers in other
countries simply ignore any regulations they don't like. Probably true,
but not really an argument for Brexit per se.

No. If UK farmers continue to observe the law while 'EU' ones apparently
don't, how is us leaving the EU going to improve that? Same with fishing
quotas. Unless we go back to a free for all and very quickly exhaust all
fish stocks.

I wish that the BBC had picked someone a bit brighter - but that may not
have suited their agenda!

They can't have picked the audience given by the cheers he got.

UK farmers observe the law ? roll on mad cow, swine flu, bird flu.
Leg of lamb £50.00 a kilo. Beef £30.00 a kilo sorry I mean lbs.

On 12/03/2016 18:43, Bill wrote:
In message , "Dave Plowman (News)"
writes
No. If UK farmers continue to observe the law while 'EU' ones
apparently don't, how is us leaving the EU going to improve that? Same
with fishing quotas. Unless we go back to a free for all and very
quickly exhaust all fish stocks.

That's not what any of the local small fishermen ever said to me when
ranting about the huge French and Spanish trawlers just off our estuary.


yes and then we harvest shellfish and fish and send it all to Spain.

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Tim Streater wrote:
Only those who export to the EU will need to meet those standards. Not
everyone else.

Right - you're recommending cutting off all ties to the EU, including
being able to export to them?

Dave, stop trying to pretend you're Woddles. The companies that export
to the EU would have to follow EU standards, just as they do when
exporting to the US (then following US standards). Those not exporting
to a particular market do not have to follow the standards imposed by
that particular market. They may choose to, internally, in a device,
but that's a matter for the company concerned.

Well, yes. And how is that any different from now?

As I see it the only way the UK is going to be better off as regards
exports and control over the quality etc of those is by finding new
markets who are willing to accept lower standards than the EU demands.

Hordes of those in the 3rd world and Britain exports **** all
now except docos and stuff like Foyles War etc anyway.

On 13/03/2016 12:09, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Tim Streater wrote:
In article , Dave Plowman (News)
wrote:

No. If UK farmers continue to observe the law while 'EU' ones apparently
don't, how is us leaving the EU going to improve that?

Because, as you all didn't notice due to being in auto-pilot rant-mode,
we put in our own inspectors as a condition of allowing e.g. Spanish
cauliflowers into the country. For one country to have its own
inspectors on the soil of another is not unheard of, either.

Right. Have you costed out all these new inspectors needed? To be paid for
by reducing benefits to the disabled even further, I suppose?

Not that I GAS about spanish cauliflowers as I don't eat the stuff.

would not have thought we get many cauliflowers from Spain.