On Tue, 03 Jul 2012 20:25:22 +0100, Rod Speed
wrote:


Lat/Long makes more sense.

Can't see delivery folk agreeing with you there. Or anyone else who has to
use it.

--
Rod

On 03/07/12 15:05, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Huge wrote:
On 2012-07-03, Nightjar wrote:
On 03/07/2012 07:59, Huge wrote:

One place I lived in the early 1970s had missing road names. With my
father, I made our own in the style of cast iron road names, using
hardboard, from which we made GRP moulds, from which we made the name
plates, using self coloured GRP; black for the letters and surrounds
and white for the background. When I passed that way a year or so
ago, they were still there.

*grin* That was my thought, exactly; make my own. I wasn't intending
to go quite to the lengths you did, but along the same lines.

Yerrs..not a few times in my life I have 'done something' that has been
accepted as 'done by the powers that be' and faithfully kept going long
after I had forgotten it was there.

So true. Long ago (circa 1972) when I lived in Enfield , after a long
lunchtime in the Crown & Horseshoes, returning to the workshop we
noticed the date (18??) on a little cast iron bridge over the New River.
I returned from the workshop with paint pot and picked out the date and
makers mark in white paint. The bridge has been repainted quite a few
times since; as far as I know the lettering is still picked out in
contrasting hue.

--
djc

On Tue, 03 Jul 2012 19:31:06 +0100
Nightjar wrote:

On 03/07/2012 18:52, polygonum wrote:
...
I thought it would be a good idea instead of using serially
allocated numbers as at present, to use a number approximating to
however many metres (or yards) along the road the property is...

I had that on a house in France. It confused just about everybody to
see No 88 next to No 53 on a street with five houses on it.

Colin Bignell

That's what they do in the US. But there, 5-digit house numbers are the
norm, which is horrifying.
--
Davey.

On 03/07/2012 19:53, polygonum wrote:
On Tue, 03 Jul 2012 19:31:06 +0100, Nightjar
wrote:

On 03/07/2012 18:52, polygonum wrote:
...
I thought it would be a good idea instead of using serially allocated
numbers as at present, to use a number approximating to however many
metres (or yards) along the road the property is...

I had that on a house in France. It confused just about everybody to
see No 88 next to No 53 on a street with five houses on it.

Colin Bignell

I assume that is not common even in France, then?

It wasn't even common in the same village. The houses were about 12
years old and the best guess was that it started simply as a convenient
way to identify the plots when they were divided.

Colin Bignell

On Tue, 03 Jul 2012 22:49:48 +0100, Davey wrote:

On Tue, 03 Jul 2012 19:31:06 +0100
Nightjar wrote:

On 03/07/2012 18:52, polygonum wrote:
...
I thought it would be a good idea instead of using serially
allocated numbers as at present, to use a number approximating to
however many metres (or yards) along the road the property is...

I had that on a house in France. It confused just about everybody to
see No 88 next to No 53 on a street with five houses on it.

Colin Bignell

That's what they do in the US. But there, 5-digit house numbers are the
norm, which is horrifying.

I had wondered why their numbers were so high but thought it was some
other reason!

And this is the best we can manage:

2679 Stratford Road, Hockley Heath, SOLIHULL B94 5NH.

So it appears - anyone know better?

--
Rod

On 03/07/2012 20:24, Rod Speed wrote:


"Nightjar" wrote in message
...
On 03/07/2012 18:13, SteveW wrote:
...
Equally I wish all companies, shops, venues, etc. would put their number
on their communications. My wife was meeting old workmates at a pub the
only details we could get from directories and webpages were pub name,
road and phonenumber. I phoned and asked them which number the pub was
and they seemed very suprised and didn't know, so they had to ask
someone else - I needed to know as our approach would have been to the
middle of the road, it's at least four miles long and I didn't want to
be driving up and down looking for it.

That's what Google street view is for.

Google may well have known the name of the pub.

IME the pointers are not that reliable. Nobody would have found a
business I used to own if they had relied on it being where Google said
it was.

I often use it when I'm going somewhere I've never been before.

Bit long winded on 4 miles of road tho if google knows the name of the pub.

A pub is usually fairly easy to spot, so it doesn't take that long to
look for one, even on a long road. What can be tedious is trying to find
a particular business on a large industrial estate, but its not so
tedious as driving around looking for it.

Colin Bignell

On Tue, 03 Jul 2012 18:45:24 +0100, Nightjar wrote:

That's what Google street view is for. I often use it when I'm going
somewhere I've never been before.

+1

"Drive" the route in various directions to pick up land marks etc.

--
Cheers
Dave.

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article o.uk,
Dave Liquorice wrote:
GPS mapping doesn't necessarily work down to front door level
particularly in areas with flats having multiple flats per door or
doors per building.

Or out in the sticks. Our post code plonks you in the middle of a field
1/2 a mile away. There is no road name to find the house name (no
numbers) along either.

Quite. I used my TomTom to find a caravan site my brother was at - using
the postcode. Tried to take me up the driveway of a different farm.

That would be because the post code wasn't for the farm required.

polygonum wrote
Rod Speed wrote

Lat/Long makes more sense.

Can't see delivery folk agreeing with you there.

Bet they would with decent modern electronic online sales which
allow anyone who wants to use that to include it in the address
with that auto loaded into the GPS in the delivery van etc.

Or anyone else who has to use it.

I know that's wrong. Mate of mine runs the local SES,
the crew that handle emergencys that the ambos and
cops and fire brigade doesn't handle. I walk for exercise
on the bush tracks on the outskirts of town etc and do
have a decent modern mobile phone with GPS in case
I break an ankle etc. Asked him how they would be able
to handle a phone call with my lat/long. He said they'd
love it. leaves anything else for dead.

On Tue, 03 Jul 2012 09:54:40 GMT, Jethro_uk wrote:

Local councillor suggested a "No access to college" road sign, but
admitted that if they hadn't read the "Cul de Sac" road sign, then
they're not going to read that. So at least we saved a few quid there.

But there are many places that *are* accessed down cul-de-sacs. A sign
saying that there is "No access to college" should at least reduce the
numbers. Nothing will stop the numpties that blindly follow what the
satnav is telling them.

It might be worth trying to get the maps changed, I think there are only
2 or 3 actual suppliers of the mapping data.

--
Cheers
Dave.

On Tue, 03 Jul 2012 22:57:48 +0100, Nightjar
wrote:

On 03/07/2012 19:53, polygonum wrote:
On Tue, 03 Jul 2012 19:31:06 +0100, Nightjar
wrote:

On 03/07/2012 18:52, polygonum wrote:
...
I thought it would be a good idea instead of using serially allocated
numbers as at present, to use a number approximating to however many
metres (or yards) along the road the property is...

I had that on a house in France. It confused just about everybody to
see No 88 next to No 53 on a street with five houses on it.

Colin Bignell

I assume that is not common even in France, then?

It wasn't even common in the same village. The houses were about 12
years old and the best guess was that it started simply as a convenient
way to identify the plots when they were divided.

Colin Bignell

And of course the _traditional_ direction of numbering is so that No 1
is the nearest to the village/town/city centre, or as near as
possible.
There are numerous exceptions to this, like where one side is numbered
consecutively, swapping over to the other side continuing
consecutively back to "across the road" to No 1.

--
Frank Erskine

On 7/3/2012 5:49 PM, Davey wrote:
On Tue, 03 Jul 2012 19:31:06 +0100
Nightjar wrote:

On 03/07/2012 18:52, polygonum wrote:
...
I thought it would be a good idea instead of using serially
allocated numbers as at present, to use a number approximating to
however many metres (or yards) along the road the property is...

I had that on a house in France. It confused just about everybody to
see No 88 next to No 53 on a street with five houses on it.


That's what they do in the US. But there, 5-digit house numbers are the
norm, which is horrifying.

Only in a few parts of the US.

Nightjar wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Nightjar wrote
SteveW wrote

Equally I wish all companies, shops, venues, etc. would put their
number
on their communications. My wife was meeting old workmates at a pub the
only details we could get from directories and webpages were pub name,
road and phonenumber. I phoned and asked them which number the pub was
and they seemed very suprised and didn't know, so they had to ask
someone else - I needed to know as our approach would have been to the
middle of the road, it's at least four miles long and I didn't want to
be driving up and down looking for it.

That's what Google street view is for.

Google may well have known the name of the pub.

IME the pointers are not that reliable. Nobody would have found a business
I used to own if they had relied on it being where Google said it was.

Sure, but that's not the PUB being discussed.

I bet they get most of those right.

I often use it when I'm going somewhere I've never been before.

Bit long winded on 4 miles of road tho if google knows the name of the
pub.

A pub is usually fairly easy to spot, so it doesn't take that long to look
for one, even on a long road.

Lot easier to enter the pub name tho.

What can be tedious is trying to find a particular business on a large
industrial estate, but its not so tedious as driving around looking for
it.

Sure, but we were discussing PUBS.

On 03/07/2012 19:29, Rod Speed wrote:


"Gary" wrote in message
...
On 02/07/2012 22:50, Davey wrote:
On Mon, 02 Jul 2012 20:01:59 +0100
SteveW wrote:

On 02/07/2012 11:25, Davey wrote:
On Mon, 2 Jul 2012 10:04:31 +0000 (UTC)
Gordon Henderson wrote:

In article ,
Jethro_uk wrote:
We have a fully working doorbell. I really can see how you can
miss it. It's about 4'6" off the ground on the lock side of the
door - exactly where you would expect to find it.

Luckily, I work in a front room, facing the street, so I can see
people coming up the path. That way, I know they are there,
because for some reason very few people seem to know what a
doorbell is for. I've just had a guy pathetically tapping the
glass which seems to be what they must teach nowadays.

I must ask the next numpty why they didn't use the doorbell.
We have a Georgian style "pull" knob right in the middle of the
door. (Cast in brass from the original designs alledgedly, but
works great with those wireless senders!)

A lot of people don't realise it's a door bell and that it has to
be pulled...

Not surprising, but ...

Gordon
Now you're really going to confuse them! Sounds nice, too.
And what would they make of the old style mechanical turn ones?

SteveW
Absolutely nothing, they wouldn't have a clue what they were for.
Again, so sad.

A true fact for you.

Nope, just another sales lie.

1 person in 32 doors knocked will happily have an appointment for a
DG sales visit.

Another lie.

1 in 3 appointments will buy.

Another lie.

That is why they do door to door.

They do door to door because there are some suckers around.

It is not important which DG company is involved. That is an industry
fact.

Nope, its just another industry lie.

Its just not possible for numbers like that to remain
unchanged after the **** has hit the fan very spectacularly
indeed when the clowns have been allowed to completely
implode much of the world's financial system, AGAIN.

The favourite saying from a punter ' I dont delieve in credit'

As he sits in a House he is paying for monthly .

That's not credit, most obviously when he is paying rent in advance.

My reply to that was 'I can assure you Credit is real'.

Irrelevant to whether he BELIEVES in using it himself.

I don't do it any more. But it was fun, and genuinely rewarding.

Only for fools that cant manage anything better.

I worked for a proper company that did what they said they would.

And if you actually named them we could see if that's just another lie.

You are just a tosser and I expected you to say that. But as such you
are not worth reading.
Anyone can be like you. it takes intelligence to see the truth and
beauty in the world. SADLY it says so much about you, that you think
that way.

Mortgage. Monthly pay for house.

"Gary" wrote in message
...
On 03/07/2012 19:29, Rod Speed wrote:


"Gary" wrote in message
...
On 02/07/2012 22:50, Davey wrote:
On Mon, 02 Jul 2012 20:01:59 +0100
SteveW wrote:

On 02/07/2012 11:25, Davey wrote:
On Mon, 2 Jul 2012 10:04:31 +0000 (UTC)
Gordon Henderson wrote:

In article ,
Jethro_uk wrote:
We have a fully working doorbell. I really can see how you can
miss it. It's about 4'6" off the ground on the lock side of the
door - exactly where you would expect to find it.

Luckily, I work in a front room, facing the street, so I can see
people coming up the path. That way, I know they are there,
because for some reason very few people seem to know what a
doorbell is for. I've just had a guy pathetically tapping the
glass which seems to be what they must teach nowadays.

I must ask the next numpty why they didn't use the doorbell.
We have a Georgian style "pull" knob right in the middle of the
door. (Cast in brass from the original designs alledgedly, but
works great with those wireless senders!)

A lot of people don't realise it's a door bell and that it has to
be pulled...

Not surprising, but ...

Gordon
Now you're really going to confuse them! Sounds nice, too.
And what would they make of the old style mechanical turn ones?

SteveW
Absolutely nothing, they wouldn't have a clue what they were for.
Again, so sad.

A true fact for you.

Nope, just another sales lie.

1 person in 32 doors knocked will happily have an appointment for a DG
sales visit.

Another lie.

1 in 3 appointments will buy.

Another lie.

That is why they do door to door.

They do door to door because there are some suckers around.

It is not important which DG company is involved. That is an industry
fact.

Nope, its just another industry lie.

Its just not possible for numbers like that to remain
unchanged after the **** has hit the fan very spectacularly
indeed when the clowns have been allowed to completely
implode much of the world's financial system, AGAIN.

The favourite saying from a punter ' I dont delieve in credit'

As he sits in a House he is paying for monthly .

That's not credit, most obviously when he is paying rent in advance.

My reply to that was 'I can assure you Credit is real'.

Irrelevant to whether he BELIEVES in using it himself.

I don't do it any more. But it was fun, and genuinely rewarding.

Only for fools that cant manage anything better.

I worked for a proper company that did what they said they would.

And if you actually named them we could see if that's just another lie.

reams of your puerile attempts at insults any 2 year
old could leave for dead flushed where they belong

Mortgage. Monthly pay for house.

Pity renters don't have one, ****wit.

On Tue, 03 Jul 2012 18:52:00 +0100, polygonum wrote:

On Tue, 03 Jul 2012 18:13:11 +0100, SteveW
wrote:

Equally I wish all companies, shops, venues, etc. would put their number
on their communications. My wife was meeting old workmates at a pub the
only details we could get from directories and webpages were pub name,
road and phonenumber. I phoned and asked them which number the pub was
and they seemed very suprised and didn't know, so they had to ask
someone else - I needed to know as our approach would have been to the
middle of the road, it's at least four miles long and I didn't want to
be driving up and down looking for it.

SteveW

I thought it would be a good idea instead of using serially allocated
numbers as at present, to use a number approximating to however many
metres (or yards) along the road the property is.

In almost all cases, this would leave gaps which could be used for new
properties built in gaps, or where one larger property is replaced by two
smaller ones, etc.

This has been done, in a way, on my road. The numbers (odd, houses on only
one side) have a a gap for the West Coast Main Line that is sufficient for
the number of properties that could be fitted in - so much for the Permanent
Way!

And it would allow us to continue the current
evens-on-one-side-odds-on-the-other approach.

But the important aspect is that it would allow any satnav (or human) to
estimate almost exactly where a particular property is if they know which
end the numbering starts.

Trying to run the existing system alongside my new-fangled would be a
wonderful recipe for confusion. But since when has that stopped a stroke
of genius being implemented?

It would have helped me in one place. My then GF had moved and she'd gone on
the lorry (as a passenger!) and I used the train. Got to her road at a
T-junction, no numbers for some way on 'my' side but numbers across the road
(um?). I turned in the logical direction and, after about a quarter of a
mile, found that I was wrong (waste land and a school before any houses).
The numbers on 'my' side were that quarter-mile out!
--
Peter.
The gods will stay away
whilst religions hold sway

On Tue, 03 Jul 2012 19:31:06 +0100, Nightjar wrote:

On 03/07/2012 18:52, polygonum wrote:
...
I thought it would be a good idea instead of using serially allocated
numbers as at present, to use a number approximating to however many
metres (or yards) along the road the property is...

I had that on a house in France. It confused just about everybody to see
No 88 next to No 53 on a street with five houses on it.

Colin Bignell

I've seen a couple of bad 'uns: a street in London that was 2 streets joined
- even on a motor bike it was difficult to slow down to work out the
numbers; a street in a town that had been cut in half by a new, walled, road
so that there were 2 streets with the same name but not intervisible; a road
with only house-names (on the edge of Monmouth), so no sequence and the
house that I wanted was the only one without a name-plate - but how is one
supposed to know?

A mate's house in southern France has a name that's so unusual that a). the
local historians can't work out the etymology and b). typing the name and
France into Google Earth leads straight to the house!
--
Peter.
The gods will stay away
whilst religions hold sway

On Tue, 03 Jul 2012 23:43:39 +0100, Dave Liquorice
wrote:

On Tue, 03 Jul 2012 09:54:40 GMT, Jethro_uk wrote:

Local councillor suggested a "No access to college" road sign, but
admitted that if they hadn't read the "Cul de Sac" road sign, then
they're not going to read that. So at least we saved a few quid there.

But there are many places that *are* accessed down cul-de-sacs. A sign
saying that there is "No access to college" should at least reduce the
numbers. Nothing will stop the numpties that blindly follow what the
satnav is telling them.

It might be worth trying to get the maps changed, I think there are only
2 or 3 actual suppliers of the mapping data.


And at least some of the satnav issue is simply the cost of updates. Mine
isn't that old, but already I would have spent much more on updates than
the thing cost in the first place, had I gone for them. Isn't it in our
collective interest for the maps to be accurate on all units?

One street I lived in was mis-numbered by the Ordnance Survey - halfway
down the street a number was on the wrong building and from that point
down, they were all 2 out. Of course, everything derived from the OS was
also wrong. Which in those days was almost everything to do with mapping.

--
Rod

Nightjar wrote:

These days, I would probably laser print it and use a clear resin to
laminate that to a flat rigid sheet of GRP.

You could even decide where the road changes, by putting up the two
names side by side.

This is how it is done near me:

http://goo.gl/maps/WkKv

Chris
--
Chris J Dixon Nottingham UK


Have dancing shoes, will ceilidh.

polygonum wrote
Dave Liquorice wrote
Jethro_uk wrote

Local councillor suggested a "No access to college" road sign, but
admitted that if they hadn't read the "Cul de Sac" road sign, then
they're not going to read that. So at least we saved a few quid there.

But there are many places that *are* accessed down cul-de-sacs. A sign
saying that there is "No access to college" should at least reduce the
numbers. Nothing will stop the numpties that blindly follow what the
satnav is telling them.

It might be worth trying to get the maps changed, I think there are only
2 or 3 actual suppliers of the mapping data.

And at least some of the satnav issue is simply the cost of updates. Mine
isn't that old, but already I would have spent much more on updates than
the thing cost in the first place, had I gone for them. Isn't it in our
collective interest for the maps to be accurate on all units?

Yes, but that obviously conflicts with the business models of the
manufacturers.

Some like TomTom do in fact allow their owners to upload
updates and other TomTom owners to use the updates for free.

And other operations are tending towards free updates of the
maps too, basically because they now compete with the maps
that are available to those with smartphones etc for free and for
the users of maps.google etc online in their phones and PDAs etc.

One street I lived in was mis-numbered by the Ordnance Survey - halfway
down the street a number was on the wrong building and from that point
down, they were all 2 out. Of course, everything derived from the OS was
also wrong. Which in those days was almost everything to do with mapping.

On Wed, 04 Jul 2012 07:41:12 +0100, Rod Speed
wrote:

polygonum wrote

And at least some of the satnav issue is simply the cost of updates.
Mine isn't that old, but already I would have spent much more on
updates than the thing cost in the first place, had I gone for them.
Isn't it in our collective interest for the maps to be accurate on all
units?

Yes, but that obviously conflicts with the business models of the
manufacturers.

Some like TomTom do in fact allow their owners to upload
updates and other TomTom owners to use the updates for free.

And other operations are tending towards free updates of the
maps too, basically because they now compete with the maps
that are available to those with smartphones etc for free and for
the users of maps.google etc online in their phones and PDAs etc.

And I shall make quite sure that any replacement doesn't cost £74.95 a
year simply to get the updates. So TomTom's business model only sold one
device to me. And inoculated me against them for ever after.

The minor updates may be worth having but all too often I find that they
are not that useful. For example, long stretch of motorway with very
long-term roadworks, eventually gets updated to set speed limit of 50
there, and it is still 50 though the works finished many months ago.

Shame my smartphone's satnav isn't quite as convenient in several ways -
for that is based on Google maps.

--
Rod

"polygonum" wrote in message
news
The minor updates may be worth having but all too often I find that they
are not that useful. For example, long stretch of motorway with very
long-term roadworks, eventually gets updated to set speed limit of 50
there, and it is still 50 though the works finished many months ago.

Well change it yourself.
Tomtoms that use map share updates have the ability for the user to change
stuff like speed limits.

On 04/07/2012 00:13, Rod Speed wrote:
Nightjar wrote
.....
Sure, but we were discussing PUBS.

You might have been, but I was taking a wider view.

Colin Bignell

On Wed, 04 Jul 2012 09:03:11 +0100, dennis@home
wrote:



"polygonum" wrote in message
news
The minor updates may be worth having but all too often I find that
they are not that useful. For example, long stretch of motorway with
very long-term roadworks, eventually gets updated to set speed limit of
50 there, and it is still 50 though the works finished many months ago.

Well change it yourself.
Tomtoms that use map share updates have the ability for the user to
change stuff like speed limits.

You only realise that it needs changing after you have seen it to be
wrong. The whole point of satnav is to tell you things that you don't know.

--
Rod

On Jul 3, 7:53*pm, polygonum wrote:
On Tue, 03 Jul 2012 19:31:06 +0100, Nightjar

wrote:
On 03/07/2012 18:52, polygonum wrote:
...
I thought it would be a good idea instead of using serially allocated
numbers as at present, to use a number approximating to however many
metres (or yards) along the road the property is...

I had that on a house in France. It confused just about everybody to see
No 88 next to No 53 on a street with five houses on it.

Colin Bignell

I assume that is not common even in France, then?

--
Rod

Universal in Buenos Aires where the blocks are a fixed size in the
newer parts.

Jonathan

"polygonum" wrote in message
news
On Wed, 04 Jul 2012 09:03:11 +0100, dennis@home
wrote:



"polygonum" wrote in message
news
The minor updates may be worth having but all too often I find that
they are not that useful. For example, long stretch of motorway with
very long-term roadworks, eventually gets updated to set speed limit of
50 there, and it is still 50 though the works finished many months ago.

Well change it yourself.
Tomtoms that use map share updates have the ability for the user to
change stuff like speed limits.

You only realise that it needs changing after you have seen it to be
wrong.

Or someone else has noticed that that is out of date and has changed it.

The whole point of satnav is to tell you things that you don't know.

And that can well be because someone else has had enough of
a clue to have updated it using map share, rather than just do a
dummy spit and refuse to ever buy another TomTom again.

You wouldn't like the price if they provided free updates forever
and continually charged around the country themselves keeping
track of short term changes like that themselves.

On 03/07/2012 22:49, Davey wrote:
On Tue, 03 Jul 2012 19:31:06 +0100
Nightjar wrote:

On 03/07/2012 18:52, polygonum wrote:
...
I thought it would be a good idea instead of using serially
allocated numbers as at present, to use a number approximating to
however many metres (or yards) along the road the property is...

I had that on a house in France. It confused just about everybody to
see No 88 next to No 53 on a street with five houses on it.

Colin Bignell

That's what they do in the US. But there, 5-digit house numbers are the
norm, which is horrifying.

IIRC New York, or more precisely Manhattan assigns numbers in blocks of
100 to each block between adjacent streets or avenues. So it is possible
to work out where a property is by its number. Its slightly different at
the lower end so what is needed is a formula to work it out but it will
tell you between which two streets a property on an avenue is.

On Mon, 2 Jul 2012 15:54:28 +0100, Davey
wrote:

Our area has names instead of numbers, but the comment is still valid.
Last winter, I walked past a courier driver trying to find a house, but
it was after dark, and not all names could be seen. He eventually found
where to make his delivery. The next day, in daylight, I saw that the
house in question has a dark wooden sign, with the house name engraved
into that, and it hangs in front of the porch light.
Duh!

Any experienced courier has a torch for exactly that.

On Wed, 04 Jul 2012 13:49:06 +0100
Grimly Curmudgeon wrote:

On Mon, 2 Jul 2012 15:54:28 +0100, Davey
wrote:

Our area has names instead of numbers, but the comment is still
valid. Last winter, I walked past a courier driver trying to find a
house, but it was after dark, and not all names could be seen. He
eventually found where to make his delivery. The next day, in
daylight, I saw that the house in question has a dark wooden sign,
with the house name engraved into that, and it hangs in front of the
porch light. Duh!

Any experienced courier has a torch for exactly that.

Maybe, but I have no control over what couriers carry. To me, the
householder was the stupid one in the first place.
--
Davey.

"polygonum" wrote in message
news
On Wed, 04 Jul 2012 09:03:11 +0100, dennis@home
wrote:



"polygonum" wrote in message
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The minor updates may be worth having but all too often I find that
they are not that useful. For example, long stretch of motorway with
very long-term roadworks, eventually gets updated to set speed limit of
50 there, and it is still 50 though the works finished many months ago.

Well change it yourself.
Tomtoms that use map share updates have the ability for the user to
change stuff like speed limits.

You only realise that it needs changing after you have seen it to be
wrong.

Or someone else has noticed that that is out of date and has changed it.

The whole point of satnav is to tell you things that you don't know.

And that can well be because someone else has had enough of
a clue to have updated it using map share, rather than just do a
dummy spit and refuse to ever buy another TomTom again.

You wouldn't like the price if they provided free updates forever
and continually charged around the country themselves keeping
track of short term changes like that themselves.


The Tom Tom software on my iPhone has this facility but its only possible
whilst on the stretch of road with an out of date limit, or at least I
haven't worked out how to do so later. Unless you have someone else driving
it can't be done!

Mike

On 04/07/12 14:01, Terry Fields wrote:

djc wrote:

Long ago (circa 1972) when I lived in Enfield , after a long
lunchtime in the Crown & Horseshoes, returning to the workshop we
noticed the date (18??) on a little cast iron bridge over the New River.
I returned from the workshop with paint pot and picked out the date and
makers mark in white paint. The bridge has been repainted quite a few
times since; as far as I know the lettering is still picked out in
contrasting hue.

Stone the crows...in the summer of 1966 I worked as a van driver for W
Sutton and Co, who were based in Horseshoe Lane. I parked my car on
Parsonage Gardens, just round the corner. Being new to the firm I had
the worst 'run', which was from Battersea to Esher, and my load was
always last to be packed. While waiting, I used to get the landlady of
the C&H to make my lunch, usually two crusty corned-beef rolls, for
some nominal sum. I sometimes ate these while parked in a ford
somewhere around Esher, but I can't find the location on satellite
photos.

I see the former site of Suttons is now 'Derby Court'. I can't
remember if there was a local builders in Horseshoe Lane at the time,
but at least once a pickup truck turned up there and its registration
number was my birthday...17 MAR; it must be worth a fortune these


Suttons must have closed or moved around 1970. The warehouse was
acquired by the local council and used as a scenery store by various
local drama groups In including Enfield Youth Theatre who used it as a
workshop, which is where I got involved. It was semi-derelict, and we
had the run of the place, (no elfin safety nonsense in those days). I
think the housing was finally built in the 1980's.


--
djc

On 04/07/2012 05:48, PeterC wrote:
On Tue, 03 Jul 2012 19:31:06 +0100, Nightjar wrote:

On 03/07/2012 18:52, polygonum wrote:
...
I thought it would be a good idea instead of using serially allocated
numbers as at present, to use a number approximating to however many
metres (or yards) along the road the property is...

I had that on a house in France. It confused just about everybody to see
No 88 next to No 53 on a street with five houses on it.

Colin Bignell

I've seen a couple of bad 'uns: a street in London that was 2 streets joined
- even on a motor bike it was difficult to slow down to work out the
numbers; a street in a town that had been cut in half by a new, walled, road
so that there were 2 streets with the same name but not intervisible; a road
with only house-names (on the edge of Monmouth), so no sequence and the
house that I wanted was the only one without a name-plate - but how is one
supposed to know?

There is a road near me that despite being a small residential road and
only about two hundred and fifty yards long is divided into three
sections. Two sections are divided by a larger road (give-ways on each
bit) and the third is cut-off by a railway line. Delivery drivers,
postmen, police, ambulances, visitors, you name it, tend to turn into
the middle section and follow round the crescent into a completely
different road (where my parents live), not realising that the "road"
actually continues up an unpaved hill, over the footbridge across the
railway and down a tarmacced hill on the other side! Access by road
being around 3/4 of a mile round.

My parents have had the police round a number of time in the early hours
of the morning, post and parcels are commonly dropped in the wrong road
and their next-door neighbours had an unwanted skip dropped on the drive!

SteveW

On Wed, 4 Jul 2012 16:11:44 +0100, Davey
wrote:

with the house name engraved into that, and it hangs in front of the
porch light. Duh!

Any experienced courier has a torch for exactly that.

Maybe, but I have no control over what couriers carry. To me, the
householder was the stupid one in the first place.

Lack of forethought and planning, nothing new there.
I think some people don't like their house being too easily
identifiable on the street by name or number being easily visible, but
that's a different kettle of worms.

On Mon, 02 Jul 2012 22:56:32 +0100, Tim Streater
wrote:

Lot easier said than done, particularly with the 8'x8' patio
door that’s my front door.

Are you a fat ******* then?

It's a big pallet. The one that carried the corrugated tin his shack
is made from.

On Tuesday, July 3, 2012 6:45:24 PM UTC+1, Nightjar wrote:
On 03/07/2012 18:13, SteveW wrote:
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Equally I wish all companies, shops, venues, etc. would put their number
on their communications. My wife was meeting old workmates at a pub the
only details we could get from directories and webpages were pub name,
road and phonenumber. I phoned and asked them which number the pub was
and they seemed very suprised and didn't know, so they had to ask
someone else - I needed to know as our approach would have been to the
middle of the road, it's at least four miles long and I didn't want to
be driving up and down looking for it.

That's what Google street view is for. I often use it when I'm going
somewhere I've never been before.

Colin Bignell

it doesn;t always work though, check your own house address mine is wrong.
And it can be two years out of date.

"polygonum" wrote in message
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You only realise that it needs changing after you have seen it to be
wrong. The whole point of satnav is to tell you things that you don't
know.

Its to assist, its not a replacement for the driver.

"Muddymike" wrote in message
om...

The Tom Tom software on my iPhone has this facility but its only possible
whilst on the stretch of road with an out of date limit, or at least I
haven't worked out how to do so later. Unless you have someone else
driving it can't be done!

On my tomtom you can do it any time.
You can also press a button to mark a position to change as you drive.
AFAIK its the same on yours.

"SteveW" wrote in message
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My parents have had the police round a number of time in the early hours
of the morning, post and parcels are commonly dropped in the wrong road
and their next-door neighbours had an unwanted skip dropped on the drive!

They have probably upset ARW.
It will be scrap cars parked across their drive next.

On Thu, 5 Jul 2012 23:54:44 +0100
"dennis@home" wrote:



"polygonum" wrote in message
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You only realise that it needs changing after you have seen it to
be wrong. The whole point of satnav is to tell you things that you
don't know.

Its to assist, its not a replacement for the driver.


Fine and true, but that's not how it is used by the majority of owners
and lorry drivers. Ask them if they have a map, and they look blankly
at you.
--
Davey.

On 04/07/2012 01:51, Rod Speed wrote:


"Gary" wrote in message
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On 03/07/2012 19:29, Rod Speed wrote:


"Gary" wrote in message
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On 02/07/2012 22:50, Davey wrote:
On Mon, 02 Jul 2012 20:01:59 +0100
SteveW wrote:

On 02/07/2012 11:25, Davey wrote:
On Mon, 2 Jul 2012 10:04:31 +0000 (UTC)
Gordon Henderson wrote:

In article ,
Jethro_uk wrote:
We have a fully working doorbell. I really can see how you can
miss it. It's about 4'6" off the ground on the lock side of the
door - exactly where you would expect to find it.

Luckily, I work in a front room, facing the street, so I can see
people coming up the path. That way, I know they are there,
because for some reason very few people seem to know what a
doorbell is for. I've just had a guy pathetically tapping the
glass which seems to be what they must teach nowadays.

I must ask the next numpty why they didn't use the doorbell.
We have a Georgian style "pull" knob right in the middle of the
door. (Cast in brass from the original designs alledgedly, but
works great with those wireless senders!)

A lot of people don't realise it's a door bell and that it has to
be pulled...

Not surprising, but ...

Gordon
Now you're really going to confuse them! Sounds nice, too.
And what would they make of the old style mechanical turn ones?

SteveW
Absolutely nothing, they wouldn't have a clue what they were for.
Again, so sad.

A true fact for you.

Nope, just another sales lie.

1 person in 32 doors knocked will happily have an appointment for a
DG sales visit.

Another lie.

1 in 3 appointments will buy.

Another lie.

That is why they do door to door.

They do door to door because there are some suckers around.

It is not important which DG company is involved. That is an
industry fact.

Nope, its just another industry lie.

Its just not possible for numbers like that to remain
unchanged after the **** has hit the fan very spectacularly
indeed when the clowns have been allowed to completely
implode much of the world's financial system, AGAIN.

The favourite saying from a punter ' I dont delieve in credit'

As he sits in a House he is paying for monthly .

That's not credit, most obviously when he is paying rent in advance.

My reply to that was 'I can assure you Credit is real'.

Irrelevant to whether he BELIEVES in using it himself.

I don't do it any more. But it was fun, and genuinely rewarding.

Only for fools that cant manage anything better.

I worked for a proper company that did what they said they would.

And if you actually named them we could see if that's just another lie.

reams of your puerile attempts at insults any 2 year
old could leave for dead flushed where they belong

Mortgage. Monthly pay for house.

Pity renters don't have one, ****wit.
You really are a small brained bigot.