We have a fully working doorbell. I really can see how you can miss it.
It's about 4'6" off the ground on the lock side of the door - exactly
where you would expect to find it.

Luckily, I work in a front room, facing the street, so I can see people
coming up the path. That way, I know they are there, because for some
reason very few people seem to know what a doorbell is for. I've just had
a guy pathetically tapping the glass which seems to be what they must
teach nowadays.

I must ask the next numpty why they didn't use the doorbell.

"Jethro_uk" wrote in message
...
We have a fully working doorbell. I really can see how you can miss it.
It's about 4'6" off the ground on the lock side of the door - exactly
where you would expect to find it.

Luckily, I work in a front room, facing the street, so I can see people
coming up the path. That way, I know they are there, because for some
reason very few people seem to know what a doorbell is for. I've just had
a guy pathetically tapping the glass which seems to be what they must
teach nowadays.

I must ask the next numpty why they didn't use the doorbell.

most people now call you on your mobile to say they are outside your door
rather than ring the bell and maybe disturb you.

I don't understand ............

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MarkBR

Oh I'm glad you posted this. I get this as well. In fact my bell has to be
pushed quite hard but not excessively so, so not only do I get the double
glazed knock but also the wimpy push brigade as well. I explained that my
bell push is perfectly normal, its old and hence needs mor than a gnats wing
to press it though.
I have a door phone as well and this seems to confuse them when my
disembodied voice appears on a little speaker box. Where have these peaople
been broaght up?

Brian

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"Jethro_uk" wrote in message
...
We have a fully working doorbell. I really can see how you can miss it.
It's about 4'6" off the ground on the lock side of the door - exactly
where you would expect to find it.

Luckily, I work in a front room, facing the street, so I can see people
coming up the path. That way, I know they are there, because for some
reason very few people seem to know what a doorbell is for. I've just had
a guy pathetically tapping the glass which seems to be what they must
teach nowadays.

I must ask the next numpty why they didn't use the doorbell.

On Mon, 02 Jul 2012 09:06:10 GMT
Jethro_uk wrote:

We have a fully working doorbell. I really can see how you can miss
it. It's about 4'6" off the ground on the lock side of the door -
exactly where you would expect to find it.

Luckily, I work in a front room, facing the street, so I can see
people coming up the path. That way, I know they are there, because
for some reason very few people seem to know what a doorbell is for.
I've just had a guy pathetically tapping the glass which seems to be
what they must teach nowadays.

I must ask the next numpty why they didn't use the doorbell.

He will undoubtedly say "They never work". And you will show him that
yours does, and he will ignore the next one he comes upon.
So sad. Mine works, too, if anybody bothers to push the button. They
never do, it's a disease.
--
Davey.

In article ,
Jethro_uk wrote:
We have a fully working doorbell. I really can see how you can miss it.
It's about 4'6" off the ground on the lock side of the door - exactly
where you would expect to find it.

Luckily, I work in a front room, facing the street, so I can see people
coming up the path. That way, I know they are there, because for some
reason very few people seem to know what a doorbell is for. I've just had
a guy pathetically tapping the glass which seems to be what they must
teach nowadays.

I must ask the next numpty why they didn't use the doorbell.

We have a Georgian style "pull" knob right in the middle of the door.
(Cast in brass from the original designs alledgedly, but works great with
those wireless senders!)

A lot of people don't realise it's a door bell and that it has to be
pulled...

Not surprising, but ...

Gordon

On Mon, 2 Jul 2012 10:04:31 +0000 (UTC)
Gordon Henderson wrote:

In article ,
Jethro_uk wrote:
We have a fully working doorbell. I really can see how you can miss
it. It's about 4'6" off the ground on the lock side of the door -
exactly where you would expect to find it.

Luckily, I work in a front room, facing the street, so I can see
people coming up the path. That way, I know they are there, because
for some reason very few people seem to know what a doorbell is for.
I've just had a guy pathetically tapping the glass which seems to be
what they must teach nowadays.

I must ask the next numpty why they didn't use the doorbell.

We have a Georgian style "pull" knob right in the middle of the door.
(Cast in brass from the original designs alledgedly, but works great
with those wireless senders!)

A lot of people don't realise it's a door bell and that it has to be
pulled...

Not surprising, but ...

Gordon

Now you're really going to confuse them! Sounds nice, too.
--
Davey.

On 02/07/2012 11:25, Davey wrote:
On Mon, 2 Jul 2012 10:04:31 +0000 (UTC)
Gordon wrote:

In ,
wrote:
We have a fully working doorbell. I really can see how you can miss
it. It's about 4'6" off the ground on the lock side of the door -
exactly where you would expect to find it.

Luckily, I work in a front room, facing the street, so I can see
people coming up the path. That way, I know they are there, because
for some reason very few people seem to know what a doorbell is for.
I've just had a guy pathetically tapping the glass which seems to be
what they must teach nowadays.

I must ask the next numpty why they didn't use the doorbell.

We have a Georgian style "pull" knob right in the middle of the door.
(Cast in brass from the original designs alledgedly, but works great
with those wireless senders!)

A lot of people don't realise it's a door bell and that it has to be
pulled...

Not surprising, but ...

Gordon

Now you're really going to confuse them! Sounds nice, too.

It probably reads "PULL" on the knob thats why they wil get confused.
:-) you need to change the wording to text speak!

"Jethro_uk" wrote in message
...
We have a fully working doorbell. I really can see how you can miss it.
It's about 4'6" off the ground on the lock side of the door - exactly
where you would expect to find it.

Luckily, I work in a front room, facing the street, so I can see people
coming up the path. That way, I know they are there, because for some
reason very few people seem to know what a doorbell is for. I've just had
a guy pathetically tapping the glass which seems to be what they must
teach nowadays.

I must ask the next numpty why they didn't use the doorbell.

Many of the delivery apes dont because they see so many that dont work.

The obvious answer to this is touch technology.
Two versions. 1: The glass on the door is set up as a touch screen sensor
and then the taps operate the door bell.
2. The handle is designed like those handles on digital radios that when you
touch them something happens, in this case the doorbell.

I have noticed that on porches most callers try the door.
Brian

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"Gordon Henderson" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Jethro_uk wrote:
We have a fully working doorbell. I really can see how you can miss it.
It's about 4'6" off the ground on the lock side of the door - exactly
where you would expect to find it.

Luckily, I work in a front room, facing the street, so I can see people
coming up the path. That way, I know they are there, because for some
reason very few people seem to know what a doorbell is for. I've just had
a guy pathetically tapping the glass which seems to be what they must
teach nowadays.

I must ask the next numpty why they didn't use the doorbell.

We have a Georgian style "pull" knob right in the middle of the door.
(Cast in brass from the original designs alledgedly, but works great with
those wireless senders!)

A lot of people don't realise it's a door bell and that it has to be
pulled...

Not surprising, but ...

Gordon

And what about knockers?



Brian

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"Davey" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 2 Jul 2012 10:04:31 +0000 (UTC)
Gordon Henderson wrote:

In article ,
Jethro_uk wrote:
We have a fully working doorbell. I really can see how you can miss
it. It's about 4'6" off the ground on the lock side of the door -
exactly where you would expect to find it.

Luckily, I work in a front room, facing the street, so I can see
people coming up the path. That way, I know they are there, because
for some reason very few people seem to know what a doorbell is for.
I've just had a guy pathetically tapping the glass which seems to be
what they must teach nowadays.

I must ask the next numpty why they didn't use the doorbell.

We have a Georgian style "pull" knob right in the middle of the door.
(Cast in brass from the original designs alledgedly, but works great
with those wireless senders!)

A lot of people don't realise it's a door bell and that it has to be
pulled...

Not surprising, but ...

Gordon

Now you're really going to confuse them! Sounds nice, too.
--
Davey.

How do they know they don't work, it may just be that with all the cctv
nowadays, people just don't bother to come to the door if its something
unexpected.

Brian

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"Rod Speed" wrote in message
...


"Jethro_uk" wrote in message
...
We have a fully working doorbell. I really can see how you can miss it.
It's about 4'6" off the ground on the lock side of the door - exactly
where you would expect to find it.

Luckily, I work in a front room, facing the street, so I can see people
coming up the path. That way, I know they are there, because for some
reason very few people seem to know what a doorbell is for. I've just had
a guy pathetically tapping the glass which seems to be what they must
teach nowadays.

I must ask the next numpty why they didn't use the doorbell.

Many of the delivery apes don't because they see so many that don't work.

In article ,
Davey wrote:
On Mon, 2 Jul 2012 10:04:31 +0000 (UTC)
Gordon Henderson wrote:

In article ,
Jethro_uk wrote:
We have a fully working doorbell. I really can see how you can miss
it. It's about 4'6" off the ground on the lock side of the door -
exactly where you would expect to find it.

Luckily, I work in a front room, facing the street, so I can see
people coming up the path. That way, I know they are there, because
for some reason very few people seem to know what a doorbell is for.
I've just had a guy pathetically tapping the glass which seems to be
what they must teach nowadays.

I must ask the next numpty why they didn't use the doorbell.

We have a Georgian style "pull" knob right in the middle of the door.
(Cast in brass from the original designs alledgedly, but works great
with those wireless senders!)

A lot of people don't realise it's a door bell and that it has to be
pulled...

Not surprising, but ...

Gordon

Now you're really going to confuse them! Sounds nice, too.

Actually, the biggest problem is that people outside can't hear the
doorbell inside (2 heavy old doors in the way), so they end up knocking
too. Will rememdy that one day - fairly easy with those wireless units
now..

Gordon

On Mon, 02 Jul 2012 11:21:42 +0000, Gordon Henderson wrote:

In article , Davey
wrote:
On Mon, 2 Jul 2012 10:04:31 +0000 (UTC) Gordon Henderson
wrote:

In article , Jethro_uk
wrote:
We have a fully working doorbell. I really can see how you can miss
it. It's about 4'6" off the ground on the lock side of the door -
exactly where you would expect to find it.

Luckily, I work in a front room, facing the street, so I can see
people coming up the path. That way, I know they are there, because
for some reason very few people seem to know what a doorbell is for.
I've just had a guy pathetically tapping the glass which seems to be
what they must teach nowadays.

I must ask the next numpty why they didn't use the doorbell.

We have a Georgian style "pull" knob right in the middle of the door.
(Cast in brass from the original designs alledgedly, but works great
with those wireless senders!)

A lot of people don't realise it's a door bell and that it has to be
pulled...

Not surprising, but ...

Gordon

Now you're really going to confuse them! Sounds nice, too.

Actually, the biggest problem is that people outside can't hear the
doorbell inside (2 heavy old doors in the way), so they end up knocking
too. Will rememdy that one day - fairly easy with those wireless units
now..

Gordon

I have a sounder in the porch. They would know this if they tried USING
THE DOORBELL ....

On Monday, July 2, 2012 10:28:15 AM UTC+1, Brian Gaff wrote:
Oh I'm glad you posted this. I get this as well. In fact my bell has to be
pushed quite hard but not excessively so, so not only do I get the double
glazed knock but also the wimpy push brigade as well. I explained that my
bell push is perfectly normal, its old and hence needs mor than a gnats wing
to press it though.
I have a door phone as well and this seems to confuse them when my
disembodied voice appears on a little speaker box. Where have these peaople
been broaght up?

Dragged up, maybe put a note next to it saying "DO NOT Push Hard" might work ;-)
Years ago I used to hang importent message upside down on doors and windows or make really bad spelling mistakes and them someone would come up and say you've put it up the wrong way of spelt it wrongly so I asked them what was wrong and then I'd say well at least you read it.
A notice which says please close the door behind you seems to work better upside down or perhaps that's just with students ;-)


Brian

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"Jethro_uk" wrote in message
...
We have a fully working doorbell. I really can see how you can miss it.
It's about 4'6" off the ground on the lock side of the door - exactly
where you would expect to find it.

Luckily, I work in a front room, facing the street, so I can see people
coming up the path. That way, I know they are there, because for some
reason very few people seem to know what a doorbell is for. I've just had
a guy pathetically tapping the glass which seems to be what they must
teach nowadays.

I must ask the next numpty why they didn't use the doorbell.

On Mon, 2 Jul 2012 12:12:04 +0100, Brian Gaff wrote:

1: The glass on the door is set up as a touch screen sensor
and then the taps operate the door bell.

I wonder if a burglar alarm window sensor(*) could be used to detect such
rapping and sound a remote bell or WHY?

(*) Vibration rather than break glass.

--
Cheers
Dave.

On 02/07/2012 13:52, Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Mon, 2 Jul 2012 12:12:04 +0100, Brian Gaff wrote:

1: The glass on the door is set up as a touch screen sensor
and then the taps operate the door bell.
I wonder if a burglar alarm window sensor(*) could be used to detect such
rapping and sound a remote bell or WHY?

(*) Vibration rather than break glass.

THe answer to this is simple. Most door bell that don't work look like
they should work. therefore there is no way of telling if a bell is or
is not working.

To press and wait is fine if the bell works but useless if it is not
working.

So press and knock will normally get a result but some tired / fed up
people just knock because that always makes a sound.

If you are expecting to knock 250 doors and the time waiting becomes
important. At 30 seconds more each that equals 125 minuets wasted or 2
hours on your working day.

I did door knocking for a dg company so I know what it is like. also how
many people block the house door with cars etc.

On Mon, 02 Jul 2012 14:38:10 +0100, Gary wrote:

On 02/07/2012 13:52, Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Mon, 2 Jul 2012 12:12:04 +0100, Brian Gaff wrote:

1: The glass on the door is set up as a touch screen sensor and then
the taps operate the door bell.
I wonder if a burglar alarm window sensor(*) could be used to detect
such rapping and sound a remote bell or WHY?

(*) Vibration rather than break glass.

THe answer to this is simple. Most door bell that don't work look like
they should work. therefore there is no way of telling if a bell is or
is not working.

To press and wait is fine if the bell works but useless if it is not
working.

So press and knock will normally get a result but some tired / fed up
people just knock because that always makes a sound.

If you are expecting to knock 250 doors and the time waiting becomes
important. At 30 seconds more each that equals 125 minuets wasted or 2
hours on your working day.

I did door knocking for a dg company so I know what it is like. also how
many people block the house door with cars etc.

Your theory sounds fine, but doesn't explain the increasing majority of
callers who *only* knock. Which won't be heard in the garden.

On 02/07/2012 10:29, Davey wrote:
On Mon, 02 Jul 2012 09:06:10 GMT
wrote:

We have a fully working doorbell. I really can see how you can miss
it. It's about 4'6" off the ground on the lock side of the door -
exactly where you would expect to find it.

Luckily, I work in a front room, facing the street, so I can see
people coming up the path. That way, I know they are there, because
for some reason very few people seem to know what a doorbell is for.
I've just had a guy pathetically tapping the glass which seems to be
what they must teach nowadays.

I must ask the next numpty why they didn't use the doorbell.

He will undoubtedly say "They never work". And you will show him that
yours does, and he will ignore the next one he comes upon.
So sad. Mine works, too, if anybody bothers to push the button. They
never do, it's a disease.

You would be surprised how many either don't work or aren't heard. I've
rung many & waited like a lemon for someone to answer. Now I ring the
bell & also use the knocker/bang on the door.



--
Dave - The Medway Handyman www.medwayhandyman.co.uk

On 02/07/2012 15:13, The Medway Handyman wrote:
On 02/07/2012 10:29, Davey wrote:
On Mon, 02 Jul 2012 09:06:10 GMT
wrote:

We have a fully working doorbell. I really can see how you can miss
it. It's about 4'6" off the ground on the lock side of the door -
exactly where you would expect to find it.

Luckily, I work in a front room, facing the street, so I can see
people coming up the path. That way, I know they are there, because
for some reason very few people seem to know what a doorbell is for.
I've just had a guy pathetically tapping the glass which seems to be
what they must teach nowadays.

I must ask the next numpty why they didn't use the doorbell.

He will undoubtedly say "They never work". And you will show him that
yours does, and he will ignore the next one he comes upon.
So sad. Mine works, too, if anybody bothers to push the button. They
never do, it's a disease.

You would be surprised how many either don't work or aren't heard. I've
rung many & waited like a lemon for someone to answer. Now I ring the
bell & also use the knocker/bang on the door.



Oh. And why don't people ever put piggin numbers on their houses that
can be seem?

--
Dave - The Medway Handyman www.medwayhandyman.co.uk

On Mon, 02 Jul 2012 15:14:44 +0100
The Medway Handyman wrote:

On 02/07/2012 15:13, The Medway Handyman wrote:
On 02/07/2012 10:29, Davey wrote:
On Mon, 02 Jul 2012 09:06:10 GMT
wrote:

We have a fully working doorbell. I really can see how you can
miss it. It's about 4'6" off the ground on the lock side of the
door - exactly where you would expect to find it.

Luckily, I work in a front room, facing the street, so I can see
people coming up the path. That way, I know they are there,
because for some reason very few people seem to know what a
doorbell is for. I've just had a guy pathetically tapping the
glass which seems to be what they must teach nowadays.

I must ask the next numpty why they didn't use the doorbell.

He will undoubtedly say "They never work". And you will show him
that yours does, and he will ignore the next one he comes upon.
So sad. Mine works, too, if anybody bothers to push the button.
They never do, it's a disease.

You would be surprised how many either don't work or aren't heard.
I've rung many & waited like a lemon for someone to answer. Now I
ring the bell & also use the knocker/bang on the door.



Oh. And why don't people ever put piggin numbers on their houses
that can be seem?


Our area has names instead of numbers, but the comment is still valid.
Last winter, I walked past a courier driver trying to find a house, but
it was after dark, and not all names could be seen. He eventually found
where to make his delivery. The next day, in daylight, I saw that the
house in question has a dark wooden sign, with the house name engraved
into that, and it hangs in front of the porch light.
Duh!
--
Davey.

On 02/07/2012 10:06, Jethro_uk wrote:
We have a fully working doorbell. I really can see how you can miss it.
It's about 4'6" off the ground on the lock side of the door - exactly
where you would expect to find it.

Luckily, I work in a front room, facing the street, so I can see people
coming up the path. That way, I know they are there, because for some
reason very few people seem to know what a doorbell is for. I've just had
a guy pathetically tapping the glass which seems to be what they must
teach nowadays.

I must ask the next numpty why they didn't use the doorbell.

Only solution I have found is to use a PIR to trigger an annunciator
(and put up with false positives from birds). My old system failed, but
when I get round to it I have some new kit which I will plumb in to my
multi-bell wireless system.

Huge wrote:
On 2012-07-02, The Medway Handyman wrote:
On 02/07/2012 15:13, The Medway Handyman wrote:
On 02/07/2012 10:29, Davey wrote:
On Mon, 02 Jul 2012 09:06:10 GMT
wrote:

We have a fully working doorbell. I really can see how you
can miss it. It's about 4'6" off the ground on the lock side
of the door - exactly where you would expect to find it.

Luckily, I work in a front room, facing the street, so I can
see people coming up the path. That way, I know they are
there, because for some reason very few people seem to know
what a doorbell is for. I've just had a guy pathetically
tapping the glass which seems to be what they must teach
nowadays.

I must ask the next numpty why they didn't use the doorbell.

He will undoubtedly say "They never work". And you will show
him that yours does, and he will ignore the next one he comes
upon.
So sad. Mine works, too, if anybody bothers to push the button.
They never do, it's a disease.

You would be surprised how many either don't work or aren't
heard. I've rung many & waited like a lemon for someone to
answer. Now I ring the bell & also use the knocker/bang on the
door.



Oh. And why don't people ever put piggin numbers on their houses
that can be seem?

That would be a Nanny State law I would support. Every premises has to
have a number that can be seen from the street.

(Although I'd struggle; My house doesn't have a number and the nearest
public road is a 1/4 mile away.)

I believe it is already a law. But I cannot find a reference to it ATM.
(maybe Robin can help on this one)

Of course it's dead easy to find the numbers on a crappy housing estate.
They gloss paint the numbers on their walls.

--
Adam

Jethro_uk wrote:
We have a fully working doorbell. I really can see how you can miss
it. It's about 4'6" off the ground on the lock side of the door -
exactly where you would expect to find it.

Luckily, I work in a front room, facing the street, so I can see
people coming up the path. That way, I know they are there, because
for some reason very few people seem to know what a doorbell is for.
I've just had a guy pathetically tapping the glass which seems to be
what they must teach nowadays.

I must ask the next numpty why they didn't use the doorbell.

I would ring the doorbell and then give the double glazing a bloody good
hammering if there was no answer after 2 minutes.

I also look and listen for other clues as to why the customer is not
answering the door.

--
Adam

newshound wrote:

On 02/07/2012 10:06, Jethro_uk wrote:
We have a fully working doorbell. I really can see how you can miss it.
It's about 4'6" off the ground on the lock side of the door - exactly
where you would expect to find it.

Luckily, I work in a front room, facing the street, so I can see people
coming up the path. That way, I know they are there, because for some
reason very few people seem to know what a doorbell is for. I've just had
a guy pathetically tapping the glass which seems to be what they must
teach nowadays.

I must ask the next numpty why they didn't use the doorbell.

Only solution I have found is to use a PIR to trigger an annunciator
(and put up with false positives from birds). My old system failed, but
when I get round to it I have some new kit which I will plumb in to my
multi-bell wireless system.

What about a good old fashioned pressure pad under a doormat?
--
Tim Watts

On 02/07/2012 10:06, Jethro_uk wrote:
We have a fully working doorbell. I really can see how you can miss it.
It's about 4'6" off the ground on the lock side of the door - exactly
where you would expect to find it.

Luckily, I work in a front room, facing the street, so I can see people
coming up the path. That way, I know they are there, because for some
reason very few people seem to know what a doorbell is for. I've just had
a guy pathetically tapping the glass which seems to be what they must
teach nowadays.

I must ask the next numpty why they didn't use the doorbell.

Just get rid of the bellpush and rig a twin light beam detector on the
approach - that'll take care of the postman that tries to push through a
"We tried to deliver but you were out card" without ringing or knocking too!

SteveW

On 02/07/2012 17:51, ARWadsworth wrote:
Huge wrote:
On 2012-07-02, The Medway Handyman wrote:
On 02/07/2012 15:13, The Medway Handyman wrote:
On 02/07/2012 10:29, Davey wrote:
On Mon, 02 Jul 2012 09:06:10 GMT
wrote:

We have a fully working doorbell. I really can see how you
can miss it. It's about 4'6" off the ground on the lock side
of the door - exactly where you would expect to find it.

Luckily, I work in a front room, facing the street, so I can
see people coming up the path. That way, I know they are
there, because for some reason very few people seem to know
what a doorbell is for. I've just had a guy pathetically
tapping the glass which seems to be what they must teach
nowadays.

I must ask the next numpty why they didn't use the doorbell.

He will undoubtedly say "They never work". And you will show
him that yours does, and he will ignore the next one he comes
upon.
So sad. Mine works, too, if anybody bothers to push the button.
They never do, it's a disease.

You would be surprised how many either don't work or aren't
heard. I've rung many & waited like a lemon for someone to
answer. Now I ring the bell & also use the knocker/bang on the
door.



Oh. And why don't people ever put piggin numbers on their houses
that can be seem?

That would be a Nanny State law I would support. Every premises has to
have a number that can be seen from the street.

(Although I'd struggle; My house doesn't have a number and the nearest
public road is a 1/4 mile away.)

I believe it is already a law. But I cannot find a reference to it ATM.
(maybe Robin can help on this one)

I don't think its a law, however they were suggesting making it so a few
years ago.

Of course it's dead easy to find the numbers on a crappy housing estate.
They gloss paint the numbers on their walls.

Nah, it's on the bins kept at the front of the house!

SteveW

On 02/07/2012 11:25, Davey wrote:
On Mon, 2 Jul 2012 10:04:31 +0000 (UTC)
Gordon Henderson wrote:

In article ,
Jethro_uk wrote:
We have a fully working doorbell. I really can see how you can miss
it. It's about 4'6" off the ground on the lock side of the door -
exactly where you would expect to find it.

Luckily, I work in a front room, facing the street, so I can see
people coming up the path. That way, I know they are there, because
for some reason very few people seem to know what a doorbell is for.
I've just had a guy pathetically tapping the glass which seems to be
what they must teach nowadays.

I must ask the next numpty why they didn't use the doorbell.

We have a Georgian style "pull" knob right in the middle of the door.
(Cast in brass from the original designs alledgedly, but works great
with those wireless senders!)

A lot of people don't realise it's a door bell and that it has to be
pulled...

Not surprising, but ...

Gordon

Now you're really going to confuse them! Sounds nice, too.

And what would they make of the old style mechanical turn ones?

SteveW

On 02/07/2012 17:46, newshound wrote:
On 02/07/2012 10:06, Jethro_uk wrote:
We have a fully working doorbell. I really can see how you can miss it.
It's about 4'6" off the ground on the lock side of the door - exactly
where you would expect to find it.

Luckily, I work in a front room, facing the street, so I can see people
coming up the path. That way, I know they are there, because for some
reason very few people seem to know what a doorbell is for. I've just had
a guy pathetically tapping the glass which seems to be what they must
teach nowadays.

I must ask the next numpty why they didn't use the doorbell.

Only solution I have found is to use a PIR to trigger an annunciator
(and put up with false positives from birds). My old system failed, but
when I get round to it I have some new kit which I will plumb in to my
multi-bell wireless system.

That's why I suggested a twin light beam system further up the thread -
only rings the bell if both beams are broken and can be placed so that
birds and cats won't set them off.

SteveW

Brian Gaff wrote

The obvious answer to this is touch technology.

Nope.

Two versions. 1: The glass on the door is set up as a touch screen sensor
and then the taps operate the door bell.

Lot easier said than done, particularly with the 8'x8' patio
door that’s my front door.

2. The handle is designed like those handles on digital radios that when
you touch them something happens, in this case the doorbell.

Still doesn’t help when the ape just knocks on the solid
part of the door, when there is no glass in the door.

Makes a lot more sense to just use an external PIR
instead and then they don’t even have to knock at all.

Better if the bell isnt audible from outside the door tho,
otherwise the local brats can find it amusing to play with.

I have noticed that on porches most callers try the door.

I doubt it.

Gordon Henderson wrote
Jethro_uk wrote

We have a fully working doorbell. I really can see how you can miss it.
It's about 4'6" off the ground on the lock side of the door - exactly
where you would expect to find it.

Luckily, I work in a front room, facing the street, so I can see people
coming up the path. That way, I know they are there, because for some
reason very few people seem to know what a doorbell is for. I've just had
a guy pathetically tapping the glass which seems to be what they must
teach nowadays.

I must ask the next numpty why they didn't use the doorbell.

We have a Georgian style "pull" knob right in the middle of the door.
(Cast in brass from the original designs alledgedly, but works great with
those wireless senders!)

A lot of people don't realise it's a door bell and that it has to be
pulled...

Not surprising, but ...

Brian Gaff wrote

How do they know they don't work,

They cant hear the bell ring.

it may just be that with all the cctv nowadays, people just don't bother
to come to the door if its something unexpected.

And presumably most just deliberately ignore
those that appear to be Joveys and sales fools.


Rod Speed wrote
Jethro_uk wrote

We have a fully working doorbell. I really can see how you can miss it.
It's about 4'6" off the ground on the lock side of the door - exactly
where you would expect to find it.

Luckily, I work in a front room, facing the street, so I can see people
coming up the path. That way, I know they are there, because for some
reason very few people seem to know what a doorbell is for. I've just
had
a guy pathetically tapping the glass which seems to be what they must
teach nowadays.

I must ask the next numpty why they didn't use the doorbell.

Many of the delivery apes don't because they see so many that don't work.

On 02/07/2012 17:51, ARWadsworth wrote:
Huge wrote:
On 2012-07-02, The Medway wrote:
On 02/07/2012 15:13, The Medway Handyman wrote:
On 02/07/2012 10:29, Davey wrote:
On Mon, 02 Jul 2012 09:06:10 GMT
wrote:

We have a fully working doorbell. I really can see how you
can miss it. It's about 4'6" off the ground on the lock side
of the door - exactly where you would expect to find it.

Luckily, I work in a front room, facing the street, so I can
see people coming up the path. That way, I know they are
there, because for some reason very few people seem to know
what a doorbell is for. I've just had a guy pathetically
tapping the glass which seems to be what they must teach
nowadays.

I must ask the next numpty why they didn't use the doorbell.

He will undoubtedly say "They never work". And you will show
him that yours does, and he will ignore the next one he comes
upon.
So sad. Mine works, too, if anybody bothers to push the button.
They never do, it's a disease.

You would be surprised how many either don't work or aren't
heard. I've rung many& waited like a lemon for someone to
answer. Now I ring the bell& also use the knocker/bang on the
door.



Oh. And why don't people ever put piggin numbers on their houses
that can be seem?

That would be a Nanny State law I would support. Every premises has to
have a number that can be seen from the street.

(Although I'd struggle; My house doesn't have a number and the nearest
public road is a 1/4 mile away.)

I believe it is already a law. But I cannot find a reference to it ATM.
(maybe Robin can help on this one)

Of course it's dead easy to find the numbers on a crappy housing estate.
They gloss paint the numbers on their walls.

That's so the take away delivery man can get there before the pizza goes
cold :-)

--
Dave - The Medway Handyman www.medwayhandyman.co.uk

"Jethro_uk" wrote in message
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On Mon, 02 Jul 2012 11:21:42 +0000, Gordon Henderson wrote:

In article , Davey
wrote:
On Mon, 2 Jul 2012 10:04:31 +0000 (UTC) Gordon Henderson
wrote:

In article , Jethro_uk
wrote:
We have a fully working doorbell. I really can see how you can miss
it. It's about 4'6" off the ground on the lock side of the door -
exactly where you would expect to find it.

Luckily, I work in a front room, facing the street, so I can see
people coming up the path. That way, I know they are there, because
for some reason very few people seem to know what a doorbell is for.
I've just had a guy pathetically tapping the glass which seems to be
what they must teach nowadays.

I must ask the next numpty why they didn't use the doorbell.

We have a Georgian style "pull" knob right in the middle of the door.
(Cast in brass from the original designs alledgedly, but works great
with those wireless senders!)

A lot of people don't realise it's a door bell and that it has to be
pulled...

Not surprising, but ...

Gordon

Now you're really going to confuse them! Sounds nice, too.

Actually, the biggest problem is that people outside can't hear the
doorbell inside (2 heavy old doors in the way), so they end up knocking
too. Will rememdy that one day - fairly easy with those wireless units
now..

Gordon

I have a sounder in the porch. They would know this if they tried USING
THE DOORBELL ....

But its not surprising that they dont try that at every door
on the off chance that a few like you have done that.

Dave Liquorice wrote
Brian Gaff wrote

1: The glass on the door is set up as a touch screen
sensor and then the taps operate the door bell.

I wonder if a burglar alarm window sensor(*) could be used
to detect such rapping and sound a remote bell or WHY?

Yep, but it makes more sense to use an external PIR instead
because that will go off even if they knock on the wood of
the door, or the door has no glass at all.

(*) Vibration rather than break glass.

They arent as common. external PIRs are a lot more common.

"The Medway Handyman" wrote in message
news
On 02/07/2012 15:13, The Medway Handyman wrote:
On 02/07/2012 10:29, Davey wrote:
On Mon, 02 Jul 2012 09:06:10 GMT
wrote:

We have a fully working doorbell. I really can see how you can miss
it. It's about 4'6" off the ground on the lock side of the door -
exactly where you would expect to find it.

Luckily, I work in a front room, facing the street, so I can see
people coming up the path. That way, I know they are there, because
for some reason very few people seem to know what a doorbell is for.
I've just had a guy pathetically tapping the glass which seems to be
what they must teach nowadays.

I must ask the next numpty why they didn't use the doorbell.

He will undoubtedly say "They never work". And you will show him that
yours does, and he will ignore the next one he comes upon.
So sad. Mine works, too, if anybody bothers to push the button. They
never do, it's a disease.

You would be surprised how many either don't work or aren't heard. I've
rung many & waited like a lemon for someone to answer. Now I ring the
bell & also use the knocker/bang on the door.



Oh. And why don't people ever put piggin numbers on their houses that can
be seem?

Yeah, it's a hell of a problem with garage/yard sales and for pizza delivery
apes.

A decent GPS helps heaps now tho.

On 2 Jul 2012 16:11:30 GMT, Huge wrote:

(Although I'd struggle; My house doesn't have a number and the nearest
public road is a 1/4 mile away.)

Niether do we and the road doesn't have an offical name. It does have
number U something or other.

--
Cheers
Dave.

"Tim Watts" wrote in message
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newshound wrote:

On 02/07/2012 10:06, Jethro_uk wrote:
We have a fully working doorbell. I really can see how you can miss it.
It's about 4'6" off the ground on the lock side of the door - exactly
where you would expect to find it.

Luckily, I work in a front room, facing the street, so I can see people
coming up the path. That way, I know they are there, because for some
reason very few people seem to know what a doorbell is for. I've just
had
a guy pathetically tapping the glass which seems to be what they must
teach nowadays.

I must ask the next numpty why they didn't use the doorbell.

Only solution I have found is to use a PIR to trigger an annunciator
(and put up with false positives from birds). My old system failed, but
when I get round to it I have some new kit which I will plumb in to my
multi-bell wireless system.

What about a good old fashioned pressure pad under a doormat?

Don't have a doormat.

An external PIR works a hell of a lot better.

On Mon, 02 Jul 2012 14:38:10 +0100, Gary wrote:

THe answer to this is simple. Most door bell that don't work look like
they should work. therefore there is no way of telling if a bell is or
is not working.

Anybody who installs a doorbell that can't be heard to be working from
the door needs their head examining.

TBH if DG or other salesmen came round here I'd want a doorbell that
selectively didn't work.

--
Cheers
Dave.

On Mon, 02 Jul 2012 20:01:59 +0100
SteveW wrote:

On 02/07/2012 11:25, Davey wrote:
On Mon, 2 Jul 2012 10:04:31 +0000 (UTC)
Gordon Henderson wrote:

In article ,
Jethro_uk wrote:
We have a fully working doorbell. I really can see how you can
miss it. It's about 4'6" off the ground on the lock side of the
door - exactly where you would expect to find it.

Luckily, I work in a front room, facing the street, so I can see
people coming up the path. That way, I know they are there,
because for some reason very few people seem to know what a
doorbell is for. I've just had a guy pathetically tapping the
glass which seems to be what they must teach nowadays.

I must ask the next numpty why they didn't use the doorbell.

We have a Georgian style "pull" knob right in the middle of the
door. (Cast in brass from the original designs alledgedly, but
works great with those wireless senders!)

A lot of people don't realise it's a door bell and that it has to
be pulled...

Not surprising, but ...

Gordon

Now you're really going to confuse them! Sounds nice, too.

And what would they make of the old style mechanical turn ones?

SteveW

Absolutely nothing, they wouldn't have a clue what they were for.
Again, so sad.
--
Davey.

In article ,
Jethro_uk wrote:
We have a fully working doorbell. I really can see how you can miss it.
It's about 4'6" off the ground on the lock side of the door - exactly
where you would expect to find it.

Luckily, I work in a front room, facing the street, so I can see people
coming up the path. That way, I know they are there, because for some
reason very few people seem to know what a doorbell is for. I've just
had a guy pathetically tapping the glass which seems to be what they
must teach nowadays.

I must ask the next numpty why they didn't use the doorbell.

Something I can't understand either. I have a well fitting vestibule door
which effectively stops a knock on the front door being heard other than
in the hall. But two doorbells which can be heard easily anywhere in the
house even above a radio etc. And you can hear them work from outside the
house.

--
*When it rains, why don't sheep shrink? *

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

"Tim Streater" wrote in message
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In article ,
"Rod Speed" wrote:

Brian Gaff wrote

The obvious answer to this is touch technology.

Nope.

Two versions. 1: The glass on the door is set up as a touch screen
sensor and then the taps operate the door bell.

Lot easier said than done, particularly with the 8'x8' patio
door thats my front door.

Are you a fat ******* then?

Nope, thats what all the doors are, 13 of them in fact,
5 in the main room thats where the front door is.

Its passive solar, stupid.