Good morning all,
I saw some wasps going in and out of my vent brick into the space under the
floorboards and I'm worried there could be a nest.
We've just had a carpet laid in the living room where the access hatch is
and I don't want to lift the carpet again.
Is there a product to kill the nest, like the ant bait stuff, that they take
back with them and poisons the nest?
Thanks
WM

On Mon, 17 Jul 2006 08:51:36 +0100, "wattie" wrote:

Good morning all,
I saw some wasps going in and out of my vent brick into the space under the
floorboards and I'm worried there could be a nest.
We've just had a carpet laid in the living room where the access hatch is
and I don't want to lift the carpet again.
Is there a product to kill the nest, like the ant bait stuff, that they take
back with them and poisons the nest?
Thanks
WM


If its under the floor, they cant get into the house so forget about
it.

On Mon, 17 Jul 2006 08:32:32 GMT, marvelus
wrote:

|On Mon, 17 Jul 2006 08:51:36 +0100, "wattie" wrote:
|
|Good morning all,
|I saw some wasps going in and out of my vent brick into the space under the
|floorboards and I'm worried there could be a nest.
|We've just had a carpet laid in the living room where the access hatch is
|and I don't want to lift the carpet again.
|Is there a product to kill the nest, like the ant bait stuff, that they take
|back with them and poisons the nest?
|Thanks
|WM
|
|
|If its under the floor, they cant get into the house so forget about
|it.

Open windows?
--
Dave Fawthrop dave hyphenologist co uk Google Groups is IME the *worst*
method of accessing usenet. GG subscribers would be well advised get a
newsreader, say Agent, and a newsserver, say news.individual.net. These
will allow them: to see only *new* posts, a killfile, and other goodies.

"marvelus" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 17 Jul 2006 08:51:36 +0100, "wattie" wrote:

Good morning all,
I saw some wasps going in and out of my vent brick into the space under
the
floorboards and I'm worried there could be a nest.
We've just had a carpet laid in the living room where the access hatch is
and I don't want to lift the carpet again.
Is there a product to kill the nest, like the ant bait stuff, that they
take
back with them and poisons the nest?
Thanks
WM


If its under the floor, they cant get into the house so forget about

They won't be interested in trying to get into the house and the colony will
be dead in a few months, it won't be there for ever.

You're better to leave it alone, wasps do a lot of good in the garden but
don't like their home being interfered with.

Mary
it.

"wattie" wrote in message
...
Good morning all,
I saw some wasps going in and out of my vent brick into the space under
the floorboards and I'm worried there could be a nest.
We've just had a carpet laid in the living room where the access hatch is
and I don't want to lift the carpet again.
Is there a product to kill the nest, like the ant bait stuff, that they
take back with them and poisons the nest?
Thanks
WM


Wasps do not reoccupy their nests from one season to the next so it will die
off in the autumn. That would be a good time to have a look to check that
the air-bricks have not been obstructed and it should be safe to clear it.

Blocking up the air-brick in this weather for a short time should be
ok, and deter them if they're about to build a nest.

wrote:
Blocking up the air-brick in this weather for a short time should be
ok, and deter them if they're about to build a nest.


I wouldn't recommend that - if there is a nest they are likely to try
and find another way out which could end up being through the house!

wrote in message
oups.com...
Blocking up the air-brick in this weather for a short time should be
ok, and deter them if they're about to build a nest.

Too late, the nest is already fully built - and occupied with hundreds of
emerging adults daily. Trying to block the air brick could cause the wasps
to become defensive. If it were successful they'd look for other places to
leave - such as into a room.

Leave well alone.

Mary

On Mon, 17 Jul 2006 12:50:48 +0100 someone who may be "Mary Fisher"
wrote this:-

Too late, the nest is already fully built - and occupied with hundreds of
emerging adults daily. Trying to block the air brick could cause the wasps
to become defensive. If it were successful they'd look for other places to
leave - such as into a room.

Leave well alone.

Wasps are one of God's few mistakes. One can either leave them alone
or engage in serious warfare with the little devils. If one doesn't
have the knowledge then the first option is preferable.


--
David Hansen, Edinburgh
I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/00023--e.htm#54

I agree. Will be fun though to see a few hundred wasps going doolalee when they cant get back in and then OP has to close all his windows for most of the day (if not longer) to avoid a sudden in flux of the angry buggers, especially in this weather!!

"David Hansen" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 17 Jul 2006 12:50:48 +0100 someone who may be "Mary Fisher"
wrote this:-

Too late, the nest is already fully built - and occupied with hundreds of
emerging adults daily. Trying to block the air brick could cause the wasps
to become defensive. If it were successful they'd look for other places to
leave - such as into a room.

Leave well alone.

Wasps are one of God's few mistakes. One can either leave them alone
or engage in serious warfare with the little devils. If one doesn't
have the knowledge then the first option is preferable.

I'm surprised - and disappointed - in your response, David.

Mary

On Mon, 17 Jul 2006 17:44:12 +0100 someone who may be "Mary Fisher"
wrote this:-

I'm surprised - and disappointed - in your response, David.

Which parts of it?

God's mistake? There are only a few, but wasps are one of them.

Leave them alone, or expect a serious battle? I didn't say which
strategy I would adopt.


--
David Hansen, Edinburgh
I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/00023--e.htm#54

"robgraham" wrote in message
ups.com...



Apart from the severe risk of collecting Mary's wrath, as a beekeeper I
am always prepared to do battle with a wasp bike, and can't see why
such is referred to as 'serious'.

I was a beekeeper for twenty five years, which is why I admire and respect
wasps.

I know that they CAN cause problems to our honey bees but they don't always.
Other things can cause problems too, we don't see those as having to be
destroyed.

Mary

In message , wattie
writes
Good morning all,
I saw some wasps going in and out of my vent brick into the space under the
floorboards and I'm worried there could be a nest.
We've just had a carpet laid in the living room where the access hatch is
and I don't want to lift the carpet again.
Is there a product to kill the nest, like the ant bait stuff, that they take
back with them and poisons the nest?

Nippon powder - the same stuff

spray it where they land to enter


--
geoff

wattie wrote:
Good morning all,
I saw some wasps going in and out of my vent brick into the space
under the floorboards and I'm worried there could be a nest.
We've just had a carpet laid in the living room where the access
hatch is and I don't want to lift the carpet again.
Is there a product to kill the nest, like the ant bait stuff, that
they take back with them and poisons the nest?
Thanks
WM

Get your trusty vacuum cleaner and place the hose next to the vent. This
should collect a few thousand of the little b**gers. Some will be alive.
You know that skinny-head youth that drives down your road with his
super-mega-bass pounding through your house, and with his window open. I
think you can guess the next part.....

"Grumps" wrote in message
...
wattie wrote:
Good morning all,
I saw some wasps going in and out of my vent brick into the space
under the floorboards and I'm worried there could be a nest.
We've just had a carpet laid in the living room where the access
hatch is and I don't want to lift the carpet again.
Is there a product to kill the nest, like the ant bait stuff, that
they take back with them and poisons the nest?
Thanks
WM

Get your trusty vacuum cleaner and place the hose next to the vent. This
should collect a few thousand of the little b**gers. Some will be alive.
You know that skinny-head youth that drives down your road with his
super-mega-bass pounding through your house, and with his window open. I
think you can guess the next part.....

LOL
The ultimate Chav deterrent....
Like to see it in action - would make an excellent short video for one of
those 'candid camera' type sites.

PhilC

On Tue, 18 Jul 2006 09:00:00 +0100, "PhilC"
wrote:

LOL
The ultimate Chav deterrent....
Like to see it in action - would make an excellent short video for one of
those 'candid camera' type sites.

The Missus was talking about some 'scum' that were occupying a
disabled space in a hospital (and still sitting in the car, parked
over the crosshatching) while she was waiting to park with her
disabled Mum. Eventually she ended up parking next to them and
mentioned that 'their disabled badge seems to have fallen down" and
was told to "shut up" or "leave it" by one of them. If it wasn't for
her old Mum calling her back I'm afraid she might of dragged them out
the car .. and who knows what would happen next .. ;-(

I reflected that there were times when carrying a moderated automatic
pistol would be a good idea (and even earn you a "Community Action
Award") but she thought that was a bit severe and something that would
sting them would be preferable?

My oh-so-dry daughter said 'Like a wasp you mean' and then we went
onto devices like a wasp gun that would first dispense a blob of jam
followed by half a dozen wasps fired backwards (that should also make
them suitably angry). ;-)

I read the vacuum cleaner bit out to her just now and she added that
said passing Chav could see what the cleaner ( full of wasps) could do
when set on blow .. like a wasp gatling gun .. or maybe (assuming the
cleaner was battery powered) find where he stops, gaffa tape his doors
up then blow the contents into the car, via the air intake. ;-)

All the best ...

T i m

The message
from T i m contains these words:

The Missus was talking about some 'scum' that were occupying a
disabled space in a hospital (and still sitting in the car, parked
over the crosshatching) while she was waiting to park with her
disabled Mum. Eventually she ended up parking next to them and
mentioned that 'their disabled badge seems to have fallen down" and
was told to "shut up" or "leave it" by one of them. If it wasn't for
her old Mum calling her back I'm afraid she might of dragged them out
the car .. and who knows what would happen next .. ;-(

When my wife worked in Harrow Town Hall (or Civic Centre or whatnot)
someone used to leave snide notes on her windscreen about her parking in
a disabled drivers' space. What we couldn't understand was why they kept
doing it despite putting the note within inches of her (then) orange
badge. Eventually we caught the silly cow because she'd written the note
on the back of an old memo. She reckoned that Julie must be abusing the
badge because she parked there every day.
"But you can't use a disabled badge if you're working here".

She simply couldn't understand that a disabled person actually worked
all day, as it happened only about fifty yards away in the same
building.

--
Skipweasel
Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain.

T i m wrote:

My oh-so-dry daughter said 'Like a wasp you mean' and then we went
onto devices like a wasp gun that would first dispense a blob of jam
followed by half a dozen wasps fired backwards (that should also make
them suitably angry). ;-)

I read the vacuum cleaner bit out to her just now and she added that
said passing Chav could see what the cleaner ( full of wasps) could do
when set on blow .. like a wasp gatling gun .. or maybe (assuming the
cleaner was battery powered) find where he stops, gaffa tape his doors
up then blow the contents into the car, via the air intake. ;-)

I like your daughter!

Sheila

On Wed, 19 Jul 2006 07:55:35 -0400, S Viemeister
wrote:

T i m wrote:

My oh-so-dry daughter said 'Like a wasp you mean' and then we went
onto devices like a wasp gun that would first dispense a blob of jam
followed by half a dozen wasps fired backwards (that should also make
them suitably angry). ;-)

I read the vacuum cleaner bit out to her just now and she added that
said passing Chav could see what the cleaner ( full of wasps) could do
when set on blow .. like a wasp gatling gun .. or maybe (assuming the
cleaner was battery powered) find where he stops, gaffa tape his doors
up then blow the contents into the car, via the air intake. ;-)

I like your daughter!

Thanks Shelia ;-)

She's starting to find her own feet now ..

She has the idea of getting a holiday job and the local 'record' shop
seemed the ideal place (as she multi instrumentalist and is always
listening to music of all kinds). I popped in there just to check the
lay of the land and it turns out that they are laying folk off and
probably won't be there come Xmas (after 26 years). ;-(

Anyroad up she took herself into a couple of the charity shops (much
to our surprise) and after they had repeated 'you know you won't get
paid' several times and she was still interested it looks like she now
has something more to do in the hols, once a week at least ;-)

Oh and her Theremin kit arrived yesterday .. that should also keep her
occupied for a couple of hours, first building it and then playing it!
;-)

Like her Mum, I can see her getting into trouble though due to
injustice etc. She tends to stand up for the 'little guys' at school,
or those who have other issues not of their making ..(as long as they
are 'ok' in themselves though) and with her Tai-Quan-Do (green
stripe) she now has the confidence to say / do something when before
she might remain quiet. And woe betold anyone who litters in front of
her. Just like her mum the other Day who, without thinking, told this
huge leather clad biker to pick up his empty drink carton and put it
in the nearby bin .. luckily he just said 'sorry' and did! ;-)

She does make us laugh though .. (sometimes) ;-)

All the best ..

T i m

"T i m" wrote in message
...

... her mum the other Day ... told this
huge leather clad biker to pick up his empty drink carton and put it
in the nearby bin .. luckily he just said 'sorry' and did! ;-)


In my experience most bikers, however they're clad and whatever size, are
just like the rest of us.

Even the women.

My eyes were opened when I went to a factory for some fabric and saw row
after row of 'big hairy bikers' (they were big, they were hairy - so's
Spouse) and their bikes were in the car park) sitting at sewing machines.
Girly calendars and pictures were on the walls but they were all doing a
damned good job, they were knowledgeable and helpful and found exactly what
we wanted.

We can't afford leathers but I wouldn't want to wear them anyway because
they're not easily seen when you're on the bike. I do like the Hi-vis yellow
jackets though.

We're going to more and more funerals. The Leeds crematorium staff are used
to seeing us in our bright garb and nobody's ever suggested that we were
inappropriately dressed.

I wonder if your wife and daughter would challenge the teenagers who drop
litter round here though ... I do and so far I've come away unscathed but
there'll be a first time when I don't :-( They're far more frightening than
bikers.

Mary

"Mary Fisher" wrote in message
t...

"T i m" wrote in message
...

... her mum the other Day ... told this
huge leather clad biker to pick up his empty drink carton and put it
in the nearby bin .. luckily he just said 'sorry' and did! ;-)


In my experience most bikers, however they're clad and whatever size, are
just like the rest of us.

Even the women.

My eyes were opened when I went to a factory for some fabric and saw row
after row of 'big hairy bikers' (they were big, they were hairy - so's
Spouse) and their bikes were in the car park) sitting at sewing machines.
Girly calendars and pictures were on the walls but they were all doing a
damned good job, they were knowledgeable and helpful and found exactly
what we wanted.

We can't afford leathers but I wouldn't want to wear them anyway because
they're not easily seen when you're on the bike. I do like the Hi-vis
yellow jackets though.

Hmm. You might wear leathers if you had seen what happens to clothes and
skin at even a 30mph slide on tarmac! It's true the easily seen ones tend to
be expensive. You can get cheaper leathers and use a high-vis jacket though.
They are very effective protection. I saw a young person belting through
town on a scooter wearing just shorts yesterday - made my blood run cold to
think what he would look like after a fall.


--
Bob Mannix
(anti-spam is as easy as 1-2-3 - not)

"Bob Mannix" wrote in message
...



Hmm. You might wear leathers if you had seen what happens to clothes and
skin at even a 30mph slide on tarmac!

I have - I've come off push bikes at 20 mph in shorts and sustained nasty
injuries. There's no way I'd wear thick clothing on a push bike in heat
though. We have to take some risks. I've sustained nasty injuries just
falling while walking.

It's true the easily seen ones tend to be expensive. You can get cheaper
leathers and use a high-vis jacket though.

We have the hi-vis ones, they are padded and very tough.

They are very effective protection. I saw a young person belting through
town on a scooter wearing just shorts yesterday - made my blood run cold
to think what he would look like after a fall.

Yes. But see above.

Mary

"Bob Mannix" wrote in message
...

"Mary Fisher" wrote in message
t...

"T i m" wrote in message
...

... her mum the other Day ... told this
huge leather clad biker to pick up his empty drink carton and put it
in the nearby bin .. luckily he just said 'sorry' and did! ;-)


In my experience most bikers, however they're clad and whatever size, are
just like the rest of us.

Even the women.

My eyes were opened when I went to a factory for some fabric and saw row
after row of 'big hairy bikers' (they were big, they were hairy - so's
Spouse) and their bikes were in the car park) sitting at sewing machines.
Girly calendars and pictures were on the walls but they were all doing a
damned good job, they were knowledgeable and helpful and found exactly
what we wanted.

We can't afford leathers but I wouldn't want to wear them anyway because
they're not easily seen when you're on the bike. I do like the Hi-vis
yellow jackets though.

Hmm. You might wear leathers if you had seen what happens to clothes and
skin at even a 30mph slide on tarmac! It's true the easily seen ones tend
to be expensive. You can get cheaper leathers and use a high-vis jacket
though. They are very effective protection. I saw a young person belting
through town on a scooter wearing just shorts yesterday - made my blood
run cold to think what he would look like after a fall.


When I was just sixteen .... we came upon an accident involving a vehicle
and a motor cyclist. My driver assigned me to the motor cyclist while he
attended to the vehicle driver. The motor-cyclist - had been wearing
'leathers and helmet' and was conscious, coherent and in great pain. My
driver was a recently de-mobbed NS Army Fire Service Sergeant and 'took
charge' of the scene - dispatching a bystander to a nearby factory gatehouse
to 'phone for Police and Ambulance, marshalled blankets etc. etc. My
assigned job was to hold the left heel of the motor-cyclists boot. I was
instructed to rigidly hold the boot - the road surface had ripped off the
toe end of the motor-cyclist's left boot and the enclosed toes and foot! The
guy was in agony. My driver staunched the flow of blood by means of a
tourniquet until the Ambulance came and carted the guy off to hospital.
Months later we had to attend court as witnesses and met the motor cyclist,
hobbling on his crutch.
That put me off ever wanting to ride a motorbike.

Decades later a trauma surgeon at PMRAF Akrotiri told me he got most of his
experience patching up motor cyclists who insisted on riding bikes with
inadequate
clothing -particularly boots.

--

Brian

"Brian Sharrock" wrote in message
...


....

That put me off ever wanting to ride a motorbike.

I've ridden motorbikes for almost fifty years and never liked it, even when
I had my own. But life is full of compromises.

Decades later a trauma surgeon at PMRAF Akrotiri told me he got most of
his experience patching up motor cyclists who insisted on riding bikes
with inadequate
clothing -particularly boots.

My brain surgeon told me a lot of his jobs were repairing motorcyclists'
skulls (even though wearing helms) and trying to tell them not to do it
again. He sees many of them again.

Today Spouse saw a motor-trike with a man driver and a woman behind with a
young boy drapes across her lap, legs dangling down the side.

None of them had any protective clothing or even a helmet. Of course, you
don't legally need one for a trike ...

Mary

In message , wattie
writes
Good morning all,
I saw some wasps going in and out of my vent brick into the space under the
floorboards and I'm worried there could be a nest.

Right, what's the most painful way to kill a wasp ?

Having lost it's sting and guts (having stung me in an unprovoked
attack), had its wings pulled off , and doused in IPA, I don't think
it's gong to try and sting me again

Mary, I love wasps is somewhere over there ------------------

nowhere near here


--
geoff

On Wed, 19 Jul 2006 15:39:08 GMT, "Brian Sharrock"
wrote:

- the road surface had ripped off the
toe end of the motor-cyclist's left boot and the enclosed toes and foot!

We have a radiologist in our Dutch office who once had to do a stint
in A&E. He came across a motorcyclist once who had come off his bike,
got entangled, and been dragged by it, the same thing had happened to
his face, it removed his nose, mouth and much of his lower jaw.

The same guy had had to stabilise a Dutch Paratrooper who had
"collected" a hand grenade which had fallen down his boot in a Chinook
helicopter in Iraq. It went off when he noticed it and tried to fish
it out leaving his hand as a "Palm Tree" of structures (as he
described it). He was back in Holland and on the operating table
within 26 hours.

DG

In message , Bob Mannix
writes

We can't afford leathers but I wouldn't want to wear them anyway because
they're not easily seen when you're on the bike. I do like the Hi-vis
yellow jackets though.

Hmm. You might wear leathers if you had seen what happens to clothes and
skin at even a 30mph slide on tarmac! It's true the easily seen ones tend to
be expensive. You can get cheaper leathers and use a high-vis jacket though.
They are very effective protection. I saw a young person belting through
town on a scooter wearing just shorts yesterday - made my blood run cold to
think what he would look like after a fall.

A few photos of the result of tarmac- leather interface events posted up
in UKRM at the moment

--
geoff

In message , Mary Fisher
writes

"Brian Sharrock" wrote in message
...


...

That put me off ever wanting to ride a motorbike.

I've ridden motorbikes for almost fifty years and never liked it, even when
I had my own. But life is full of compromises.

Decades later a trauma surgeon at PMRAF Akrotiri told me he got most of
his experience patching up motor cyclists who insisted on riding bikes
with inadequate
clothing -particularly boots.

My brain surgeon told me a lot of his jobs were repairing motorcyclists'
skulls (even though wearing helms) and trying to tell them not to do it
again. He sees many of them again.

Today Spouse saw a motor-trike with a man driver and a woman behind with a
young boy drapes across her lap, legs dangling down the side.

None of them had any protective clothing or even a helmet. Of course, you
don't legally need one for a trike ...

Not been in the far east, have you Mary - 4 up on a moped with not even
a crash helmet is fairly common

--
geoff

The message
from raden contains these words:

Right, what's the most painful way to kill a wasp ?

Having lost it's sting and guts (having stung me in an unprovoked
attack), had its wings pulled off , and doused in IPA, I don't think
it's gong to try and sting me again

That's bees. Wasps survive to sting again.

--
Skipweasel
Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain.

In message , Guy King
writes
The message
from raden contains these words:

Right, what's the most painful way to kill a wasp ?

Having lost it's sting and guts (having stung me in an unprovoked
attack), had its wings pulled off , and doused in IPA, I don't think
it's gong to try and sting me again

That's bees. Wasps survive to sting again.

This one didn't

I caught it in mid sting

--
geoff

In message , Mary Fisher
writes

"Bob Mannix" wrote in message
...



Hmm. You might wear leathers if you had seen what happens to clothes and
skin at even a 30mph slide on tarmac!

I have - I've come off push bikes at 20 mph in shorts and sustained nasty
injuries. There's no way I'd wear thick clothing on a push bike in heat
though. We have to take some risks. I've sustained nasty injuries just
falling while walking.

It's true the easily seen ones tend to be expensive. You can get cheaper
leathers and use a high-vis jacket though.

We have the hi-vis ones, they are padded and very tough.

They are very effective protection. I saw a young person belting through
town on a scooter wearing just shorts yesterday - made my blood run cold
to think what he would look like after a fall.

Yes. But see above.

Mary


I used to be a licensed DVLA instructor - taking the mere mortals out on
their 50's / 125's and issuing their CBT's, or training them up for
their full test.

I think the "what can and does happen when you fall off" talk was the
scariest for all of them. The statistic of losing 1mm of skin and bone
for every 10 mph of speed when sliding down the road was the clincher.
"Look at your own knuckles" I used to say "and work out if 30 mph is
sustainable for you". "1mm just for sliding, now add in the impact
factor" (this all being part of the talk to encourage them to wear
"proper" protection whilst riding).

I think they'd have rather been trained by Edward Scissorhands :-)

Saying that of course, the bike is still the best way to go. Fun, fast,
danger, mortality, injury, yes all of them, but I still prefer the bike.

Incidentally, their was a study some time ago (no reference sorry) which
suggested that the most invisible setup was a big white bike with the
rider in flourescent clothing (ie local plod). Don't know what came of
it though so I could just (once again) be talking shee-ite.
Someone

In message , Owain
writes
raden wrote:
Right, what's the most painful way to kill a wasp ?
Having lost it's sting and guts (having stung me in an unprovoked
attack), had its wings pulled off , and doused in IPA, I don't think
it's gong to try and sting me again

Just to be sure, shove a sewing needle up its arse and hold it over an
electric ring until it curls up and turns crispy.

Owain

A cul a barb (no accents)?

I wonder if the word will ever catch on ...

--
geoff

"somebody" wrote in message
...


I used to be a licensed DVLA instructor - taking the mere mortals out on
their 50's / 125's and issuing their CBT's, or training them up for their
full test.

I think the "what can and does happen when you fall off" talk was the
scariest for all of them. The statistic of losing 1mm of skin and bone for
every 10 mph of speed when sliding down the road was the clincher. "Look
at your own knuckles" I used to say "and work out if 30 mph is sustainable
for you". "1mm just for sliding, now add in the impact factor" (this all
being part of the talk to encourage them to wear "proper" protection
whilst riding).

Yes - but I can't work in the kitchen with bikers' gloves and I've sustained
that kind of damage there. Yes, it's always been through carelessness - just
as coming off a bike is.

Spouse and I never needed the CBT but we've known others who've done it and
we've been impressed with the instructors.


Saying that of course, the bike is still the best way to go. Fun, fast,
danger, mortality, injury, yes all of them, but I still prefer the bike.

Well, there you go.

I still don't like it :-) But I don't want speed, danger, risk of mortality
of injury and don't find it fun in any way. That's just me though, if others
enjoy it I'm not condemning them - as long as there's no danger to me. As
far as I know pedestrians are safer when bikes are around than with cars.

Incidentally, their was a study some time ago (no reference sorry) which
suggested that the most invisible setup was a big white bike with the
rider in flourescent clothing (ie local plod). Don't know what came of it
though so I could just (once again) be talking shee-ite.

I think you are. Or the 'study' was flawed.

Mary

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[snip]

Incidentally, their was a study some time ago (no reference sorry) which
suggested that the most invisible setup was a big white bike with the
rider in flourescent clothing (ie local plod). Don't know what came of it
though so I could just (once again) be talking shee-ite.

I think you are. Or the 'study' was flawed.

It is related to contrast - we recognise contrasting objects quicker
than any specific colour of object. The problem with big white bike and
bright yellow jacket is the lack of contrast. A contrasting colour
scheme (including the high vis yellow) is far more likely to be noticed
(or noticed quicker).

It was a Rospa intructor who first shocked me with that tidbit many
years ago.
Someone

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In message , Mary Fisher
writes
[snip]

Incidentally, their was a study some time ago (no reference sorry) which
suggested that the most invisible setup was a big white bike with the
rider in flourescent clothing (ie local plod). Don't know what came of
it
though so I could just (once again) be talking shee-ite.

I think you are. Or the 'study' was flawed.

It is related to contrast - we recognise contrasting objects quicker than
any specific colour of object. The problem with big white bike and bright
yellow jacket is the lack of contrast. A contrasting colour scheme
(including the high vis yellow) is far more likely to be noticed (or
noticed quicker).

It was a Rospa intructor who first shocked me with that tidbit many years
ago.

It's been shown more than once that the way to make yourself most visible on
a motorbike is to look like plod. The stuff you mention about contrast etc
doesn't actually make any odds.

cheers,
clive

"somebody" wrote in message
...
In message , Mary Fisher
writes
[snip]

Incidentally, their was a study some time ago (no reference sorry) which
suggested that the most invisible setup was a big white bike with the
rider in flourescent clothing (ie local plod). Don't know what came of
it
though so I could just (once again) be talking shee-ite.

I think you are. Or the 'study' was flawed.

It is related to contrast - we recognise contrasting objects quicker than
any specific colour of object. The problem with big white bike and bright
yellow jacket is the lack of contrast. A contrasting colour scheme
(including the high vis yellow) is far more likely to be noticed (or
noticed quicker).

There's plenty of contrast with such a kit compared with the contrast of a
black clad rider on a black bike against the road, especially in the dark.

It was a Rospa intructor who first shocked me with that tidbit many years
ago.

Nobody's perfect :-)

Mary
Someone