"Bob Smith" bob@nospamplease wrote in message
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On a similar note, what does everyone think when they lay the table ready
for dinner to "dress" the dining room? And putting a massive impractical
pile of cushions on the bed. Are you supposed to spend 10 minutes every
night throwing them into a pile in the corner of the room?

I think it looks forced and false, and I would think it was weird to see a
table set up for a formal dinner at 10am on a Saturday morning.

I couldn't agree more. Toast crumbs and empty coffee cupswith brown-ringed
saucers would be more homely.

Mary

Bob

In article ,
Mary Fisher wrote:
Well, I don't suppose it matters that you sell to the gullible ... their
money's as good as anyone else's.

I can imagine someone doing up a place to rent out to want it to look
good, but surely most buying somewhere would prefer the cheapest possible
price and then redecorate, etc, to choice?

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In message , Mary
Fisher writes

"Adrian Brentnall" adrian-the papers and the wrote
in message

We put a real effort into presenting our last house well, finished off
lots of roundtuit jobs, decluttered etc. Some things we couldn't by then
do anything about, but we made the best of what we had, which was by
then looking very good. when the estate agent came round for taking
pictures I hardly recognised the house.

Yes - I know the feeling. It's the 'hey - this isn't a bad house...
why do we want to move' syndrome g

I always wonder why people put effort into making a house desirable for
other people rather than making it desirablefor themselves.

Well most of what we had done had been done for our benefit - things
like the new bathroom, the kitchen revamp, various re-decorations done
in previous years had been done for us. but about a year before we did
sell we realise we would probably end up having to leave Leeds, so it
made sense to do things with that in mind, because we were selling the
house, we had to sell and move ideally in a pretty tight window for the
move down here, and we wanted to get as much money as possible for it as
we wanted to buy another, bigger, inevitably more expensive house.

And while our house did look very nice when we sold it, I couldn't have
lived in in it like that for too long, keeping it that un-naturally tidy
was hard work......

Yes it would have been nice to to have been living with some of the
roundtuits for quite so long, but hey it's not the only thing in life
:-)
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On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 21:22:52 +0100, "Mary Fisher"
wrote:



Well, I don't suppose it matters that you sell to the gullible ... their
money's as good as anyone else's.

Mary



Why not? The National Lottery manages it every week.



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"Andy Hall" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 21:22:52 +0100, "Mary Fisher"
wrote:



Well, I don't suppose it matters that you sell to the gullible ... their
money's as good as anyone else's.

Mary



Why not? The National Lottery manages it every week.

Not to me it don't :-)

Mary

On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 21:38:07 +0100, "Mary Fisher"
wrote:


"Bob Smith" bob@nospamplease wrote in message
...


Also, on the occasion I sold the house, I purposefully made some fresh
coffee to make the house smell. I have heard fresh baked bread works too.

It wouldn't with me. I hate thesmell of bread baking. I've made all our
bread for well over forty yearsand still hate the smell.

But I doubt I'd be taken in by any of the suggested ploys. Why not be honest
and present the house as it is, let the buyer decide what to do with it to
make it his/her ideal living place? If they have any character they're not
going to keep it as you think it should be.

Mary




I suspect it's because most people don't have imagination, Mary



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"chris French" wrote in message
news

....

And while our house did look very nice when we sold it, I couldn't have
lived in in it like that for too long, keeping it that un-naturally tidy
was hard work......

But isn't it just as hard work for the buyer?

Yes it would have been nice to to have been living with some of the
roundtuits for quite so long, but hey it's not the only thing in life

That's my point.

Mary

In message , Mary
Fisher writes

But I doubt I'd be taken in by any of the suggested ploys.

I suspect that the posters to uk.d-i-y are not a representative cross
section of the house buying population in this respect. It's not
necessarily about being taken in by ploys though. I think many people
want house which they feel they can move into and not have to do much
to it unless they want to.

Why not be honest
and present the house as it is, let the buyer decide what to do with it to
make it his/her ideal living place?

Because the reality is that some people will be put off buying house
like that. This may or may not be sensible response, TBH I don't really
care, I wanted our house to sell quickly for the best price. We did
that, other houses on the street that went up for sale last year are
still on the market.

Our old house was honestly presented when we bought it. With a horrible
manky 30 + year old bathroom. pretty mank kitchen, tar stains and
smells from a heavy smoker. Crappy rotten drafty windows. Yeah, we could
see though this to what it could be for us. But it had been on the
market best part of a year when we bought it.

If they have any character they're not
going to keep it as you think it should be.

I don't give fig what they do (though I'd be disappointed if they've
grubbed up the pear and plum trees we planted....). The house wasn't
entirely 'as I thought it should be' it was in part at least, how I
though it would look best for a good quick sale
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On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 22:50:17 +0100, "Mary Fisher"
wrote:


"Andy Hall" wrote in message
.. .
On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 21:22:52 +0100, "Mary Fisher"
wrote:



Well, I don't suppose it matters that you sell to the gullible ... their
money's as good as anyone else's.

Mary



Why not? The National Lottery manages it every week.

Not to me it don't :-)

Mary


Me neither, Mary, but we are very much in the minority. Apparently
over 95% of the adult population have bought a lottery ticket at some
point, I'm told.


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In message , Mary
Fisher writes

"chris French" wrote in message
news

...

And while our house did look very nice when we sold it, I couldn't have
lived in in it like that for too long, keeping it that un-naturally tidy
was hard work......

But isn't it just as hard work for the buyer?

What keeping it tidy after they've moved in? Dunno, don't care. I was
just trying to sell a house.


Yes it would have been nice to to have been living with some of the
roundtuits for quite so long, but hey it's not the only thing in life

That's my point.

well yes, but life, work, children, relaxing get in the way sometimes. I
could have left some of them undone at this point, but that may have put
a potential buyer off.
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"Bob Smith" bob@nospamplease wrote

Also, on the occasion I sold the house, I purposefully made some fresh
coffee to make the house smell. I have heard fresh baked bread works too.


Be careful with this one. Some people detest the smell of coffee. Some
react badly to it.

If a house smelt of coffee I'd walk out - otherwise I'd be throwing up
within minutes. I've even done so with a bad cold so that I couldn't
actually smell the coffee - that doesn't stop me reacting badly to its
presence!

Barbara

Mary Fisher wrote:

We don't WANT children and grandchildren to think they can come for a free
holiday and bugger up our lives. We spent long enough being hampered by
them, now we want time to ourselves! And we're not alone :-)

Our office is important to us. The kids can stay in the caravan (very basic)
if they want to come.

Mary, I used to have quite a bit of sympathy with some of your posts
but this just makes me see you as a crabby old moaner - sorry!

While it's good in some ways when the children leave home it's also
*very good* to have tham come back and stay sometimes.

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"Andy Hall" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 22:50:17 +0100, "Mary Fisher"
wrote:


"Andy Hall" wrote in message
. ..
On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 21:22:52 +0100, "Mary Fisher"
wrote:



Well, I don't suppose it matters that you sell to the gullible ... their
money's as good as anyone else's.

Mary



Why not? The National Lottery manages it every week.

Not to me it don't :-)

Mary


Me neither, Mary, but we are very much in the minority. Apparently
over 95% of the adult population have bought a lottery ticket at some
point, I'm told.

That's what I'd heard too but I know very few people who admit to buying a
ticket. Where are the 95%?

Mary


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"Owain" wrote in message
...
Mary Fisher wrote:
If it's a bungalow it may appeal to retired people more, they may be more
interested in space for children and grandchildren to stay than a home
office.
WHAT???

I didn't that that was the case for *all* retired people (or indeed for
all children).

We don't WANT children and grandchildren to think they can come for a
free holiday and bugger up our lives. We spent long enough being hampered
by them, now we want time to ourselves! And we're not alone :-)

Quite right. But You are not Typical, Mary.

I wonder what you think I'm like!

Outside very important - first impressions formed before people cross the
front door. Some tubs and bedding plants cost next to nothing.
But need looking after by the buyers :-(

They can let them die if they don't like them.

If they don't like them it's not going to give a good impression by having
them ...

Paint front door.
Possibly in a colour the buyers would want to change.

The front door might be the wrong colour regardless of whether it's
repainted or not. But if it's freshly painted it suggests the rest of the
house will be well maintained.

Hmm. Red hat and no drawers.

Nice ding-dong doorbell,
BLECH!

Nice ding-dong-ding-dong-dong-dong-dong-ding-dong doorbell?

You can go right off some folk ...

Although I admit that we do have a ding-dong-Avon-calling doorbell. We
wanted something different from the plain rrrrrrrrrrrrrring of the back door
so that we knew which door to answer. The options were worse than the
ding-dong. A ding-ding or even a dong-dong would have been acceptable.
Believe me, we looked hard.

And there is no excuse for clutter or uncleanliness anywhere. Not that
I'm suggesting, but it's surprising how accustomed to our own mess we can
get.
Makes it look real though ...

But (most) buyers don't want "real". They want Our Dream Home Happy Every
After, preferably £5b below asking price.

I've never been in one of those. Except in museums.

Mary

Owain

wrote in message ...
Mary Fisher wrote:

We don't WANT children and grandchildren to think they can come for a
free
holiday and bugger up our lives. We spent long enough being hampered by
them, now we want time to ourselves! And we're not alone :-)

Our office is important to us. The kids can stay in the caravan (very
basic)
if they want to come.

Mary, I used to have quite a bit of sympathy with some of your posts
but this just makes me see you as a crabby old moaner - sorry!

Don't apologise :-)

While it's good in some ways when the children leave home it's also
*very good* to have tham come back and stay sometimes.

We have too many of them. It was very good when they were at home and we
felt bereft as each of them left, the last left the biggest hole in our
hearts. But now, if we saw each of them only twice a year it would intrude
in a large part of our lives. We have developed those and discovered the
delights of following our own interests and not having to be at the beck and
call of others all the time. We're now real people, individuals, not just
Mum and Dad. I think they value us more now, too, being parents themselves
and understanding the loss of their freedom.

When they do come it's lovely but when they've gone we put our arms round
each other and say it was nice but it's better now they've gone. And I
imagine that when we visit them they do the same when we leave!

The idea of buying a house with a spare room for when they stay, with no
other use between times, would be silly. We have a room with a single bed
which doubles as a dressing room. It's used by many solo friends and
grandchildren when they stay. If couples stay they have to use the caravan
for sleeping (there's nothing wrong with that, they have their own privacy)
or sleep in the sitting room on the sofa bed and clear everything away so
that the room can be used normally during the day. They prefer the caravan.
It's a practical solution for both parties.

I know that I'm not the only crabby old moaner - if the above defines me as
one. I think it's pragmatism.

Mary

--
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Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Mary Fisher wrote:
Well, I don't suppose it matters that you sell to the gullible ... their
money's as good as anyone else's.

I can imagine someone doing up a place to rent out to want it to look
good, but surely most buying somewhere would prefer the cheapest possible
price and then redecorate, etc, to choice?

Well of course *we* would always prefer to buy somewhere and do it up
(see below), but most people just want something they can move into.

(Footnote: At least that's what I've always thought, but it's funny how
all our houses have been pretty well done-up when we moved it. The
next one we are going to be much more careful about looking behind the
coat of paint etc.)

"Martin Bonner" wrote in message
oups.com...

Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Mary Fisher wrote:
Well, I don't suppose it matters that you sell to the gullible ...
their
money's as good as anyone else's.

I can imagine someone doing up a place to rent out to want it to look
good, but surely most buying somewhere would prefer the cheapest possible
price and then redecorate, etc, to choice?

Well of course *we* would always prefer to buy somewhere and do it up
(see below), but most people just want something they can move into.

(Footnote: At least that's what I've always thought, but it's funny how
all our houses have been pretty well done-up when we moved it. The
next one we are going to be much more careful about looking behind the
coat of paint etc.)

Yes, I'd be very suspicious about the smell of paint.

Mary

In article ,
Mary Fisher wrote:
You can go right off some folk ...

Although I admit that we do have a ding-dong-Avon-calling doorbell. We
wanted something different from the plain rrrrrrrrrrrrrring of the back
door so that we knew which door to answer. The options were worse than
the ding-dong. A ding-ding or even a dong-dong would have been
acceptable. Believe me, we looked hard.

Problem with modern ding dongs is they're just too quiet. My parents had a
50s one with 3 ft long tubes - now that was ok. More tubular bells than
ding dong.

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In article .com,
Martin Bonner wrote:
(Footnote: At least that's what I've always thought, but it's funny how
all our houses have been pretty well done-up when we moved it. The
next one we are going to be much more careful about looking behind the
coat of paint etc.)

This is I suppose what I meant. Fresh paint everywhere could be covering
up a multitude of sins.

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Dave Plowman London SW
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Mary Fisher wrote:

wrote in message ...

Mary, I used to have quite a bit of sympathy with some of your posts
but this just makes me see you as a crabby old moaner - sorry!

Don't apologise :-)

While it's good in some ways when the children leave home it's also
*very good* to have tham come back and stay sometimes.

We have too many of them.

Well whose fault is that then! :-)

It was very good when they were at home and we
felt bereft as each of them left, the last left the biggest hole in our
hearts. But now, if we saw each of them only twice a year it would intrude
in a large part of our lives. We have developed those and discovered the
delights of following our own interests and not having to be at the beck and
call of others all the time. We're now real people, individuals, not just
Mum and Dad. I think they value us more now, too, being parents themselves
and understanding the loss of their freedom.

Well ours aren't parents yet (though they're well old enough). We put
our children (and other family members occasionally) to good use, they
come and house sit when we go on holiday. This is a very necessary
function when you have two horses, two dogs, four cats and some
chickens. How else could we go on holiday if the children weren't
welcome!


When they do come it's lovely but when they've gone we put our arms round
each other and say it was nice but it's better now they've gone. And I
imagine that when we visit them they do the same when we leave!

Hmmm, that's not our feeling about them visiting us or us visiting
them. Admittedly when I visit my daughter it's usually to do some
work like installing a bathroom, however she comes and does decorating
for us (and she's a very good tiler) so the benefit is reciprocal.


The idea of buying a house with a spare room for when they stay, with no
other use between times, would be silly. We have a room with a single bed
which doubles as a dressing room. It's used by many solo friends and

Our spare rooms are used by all and sundry. Have a party, ask people
who come a long way to stay. When we had a really big party a couple
of years ago (wife 50, her mother 70, her grandmother 90) we had a
Cajun band to play and they stayed overnight as their plane home was
the next day. Having lots of space and places makes our lives more
sociable.

--
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"Owain" wrote in message
...
Mary Fisher wrote:
While it's good in some ways when the children leave home it's also
*very good* to have tham come back and stay sometimes.
We have too many of them.

Well if you'd bought a television ...

I wish I had a pound for everyone who's said that. It doesn't work though
....


Even the nicest person can outstay their welcome.

I'll get my coat :-)

Mary

Owain

wrote in message ...
Mary Fisher wrote:

wrote in message
...

Mary, I used to have quite a bit of sympathy with some of your posts
but this just makes me see you as a crabby old moaner - sorry!

Don't apologise :-)

While it's good in some ways when the children leave home it's also
*very good* to have tham come back and stay sometimes.

We have too many of them.

Well whose fault is that then! :-)

Lust is a powerful urge.

It was very good when they were at home and we
felt bereft as each of them left, the last left the biggest hole in our
hearts. But now, if we saw each of them only twice a year it would
intrude
in a large part of our lives. We have developed those and discovered the
delights of following our own interests and not having to be at the beck
and
call of others all the time. We're now real people, individuals, not just
Mum and Dad. I think they value us more now, too, being parents
themselves
and understanding the loss of their freedom.

Well ours aren't parents yet (though they're well old enough).

Some of our grandchildren are old enough - horrors!

We put
our children (and other family members occasionally) to good use, they
come and house sit when we go on holiday. This is a very necessary
function when you have two horses, two dogs, four cats and some
chickens. How else could we go on holiday if the children weren't
welcome!

We don't have holidays. Too busy. When we go away we usually take the hens
with us, otherwise they stay at a son's.


When they do come it's lovely but when they've gone we put our arms round
each other and say it was nice but it's better now they've gone. And I
imagine that when we visit them they do the same when we leave!

Hmmm, that's not our feeling about them visiting us or us visiting
them. Admittedly when I visit my daughter it's usually to do some
work like installing a bathroom, however she comes and does decorating
for us (and she's a very good tiler) so the benefit is reciprocal.

Yes, that usually happens with us too. A few weeks ago we were in Wiltshire
moving an internal wall (Spouse) and ironing (me). And drinking lots of
champagne (everyone) for a housewarming and 15th wedding anniversary
(theirs). We had to slepep on a put-u-up surrounded by removal chests and no
room to move. It would have been easier in the caravan!

The idea of buying a house with a spare room for when they stay, with no
other use between times, would be silly. We have a room with a single bed
which doubles as a dressing room. It's used by many solo friends and

Our spare rooms are used by all and sundry.

So is our caravan:-) Four can sleep in that, only one in the dressing room.
Three in the loft, three in the sitting room - but we we prefer not to have
that number often. We turned our large second bedroom (where three boys used
to sleep) into a workshop, store room and office for my use, it's far better
used - and earns its keep - than it would be for guests.

Have a party, ask people
who come a long way to stay. When we had a really big party a couple
of years ago (wife 50, her mother 70, her grandmother 90) we had a
Cajun band to play and they stayed overnight as their plane home was
the next day. Having lots of space and places makes our lives more
sociable.

It also means more expense if you buy a house with those facilities. When
you don't have much spare cash and are 'getting on' what's the point in
buying a house (or bungalow) with extra rooms just for the sake of them? Not
that we have any intention of moving. All our friends with large houses are
downsizing though, which surprises me. If we'd had one to start with we
wouldn't want to move. We could never afford one :-(

Our social life is thriving though :-) We have lots of parties (mostly when
we're under canvas and can't disturb the neighbours)

Mary

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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Mary Fisher wrote:
You can go right off some folk ...

Although I admit that we do have a ding-dong-Avon-calling doorbell. We
wanted something different from the plain rrrrrrrrrrrrrring of the back
door so that we knew which door to answer. The options were worse than
the ding-dong. A ding-ding or even a dong-dong would have been
acceptable. Believe me, we looked hard.

Problem with modern ding dongs is they're just too quiet.

Even I can hear ours - as long as I'm within a few yards of it:-)

GOOD NEWS! I have a first appointment on the road to getting a hearing aid.
I want a brass ear trumpet instead of the horn one I currently use.

My parents had a
50s one with 3 ft long tubes - now that was ok. More tubular bells than
ding dong.

I like that!

In fact I'm thinking of getting him to install a proper brass bell, with
hammer, which will have a pull to the outside and a label instructing the
caller to 'Tug Gently".

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I don't. I've never heard that.

What is a whack?

A hit.

Mary

"Huge" wrote in message
...
Mary Fisher wrote:
You can go right off some folk ...

Although I admit that we do have a ding-dong-Avon-calling doorbell. We
wanted something different from the plain rrrrrrrrrrrrrring of the back
door so that we knew which door to answer. The options were worse than
the ding-dong. A ding-ding or even a dong-dong would have been
acceptable. Believe me, we looked hard.

You don't have to look at all. I got tired of answering the front door to
"ding-dong" bells which were on the TV, so I opened ours up and switched
the chimes round. Then it went "dong-ding" instead.

We don't have a telly ...

Mary

In article ,
Huge wrote:
You don't have to look at all. I got tired of answering the front door to
"ding-dong" bells which were on the TV, so I opened ours up and switched
the chimes round. Then it went "dong-ding" instead.

Yes. I wonder why all doorbells and ding dongs are tuned the same?

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Dave Plowman London SW
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Huge wrote:
Sadly not. Most people seem to want to move into a house "as is" (much
to the irritation of the delicious Kirsty Alsop(sp?))

I suspect most uk.d-i-y'ers go round houses thinking "redecorate that,
replace this, I'll have that wall down, new bathroom, new kitchen,
repair those, no problem".


We found out that our neighbours and us had both looked at the same
house that had been on the market for a while and had not been touched
since it was built in the early 70's (Green bathroom suites, Crystal
"texture vein" tiles throughout, etc). Their reaction was "it needs
=A31000's spending on it". Our reaction was "it's a bargain".

We bought it.

MBQ

Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article .com,
Martin Bonner wrote:
(Footnote: At least that's what I've always thought, but it's funny how
all our houses have been pretty well done-up when we moved it. The
next one we are going to be much more careful about looking behind the
coat of paint etc.)

This is I suppose what I meant. Fresh paint everywhere could be covering
up a multitude of sins.


I think you (and Mary) have misunderstood me. I like to think I am a
keen DIY-er who wouldn't buy the house with the nicest looking surface;
but instead would buy the best value house, even if it needed a bit of
work. In actual fact, looking at the houses we have actually bought
(four so far), I am forced to conclude that either the best values
houses also happened to be the ones that were in pretty good nick - or
I am as likely to be swayed by the surface as the next man.

NEXT time we move: a) we will dress the house carefully; b) we will be
careful about not dismissing houses that need a lick of paint.

In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
Mary Fisher wrote:


You don't have to look at all. I got tired of answering the front
door to "ding-dong" bells which were on the TV, so I opened ours up
and switched the chimes round. Then it went "dong-ding" instead.

We don't have a telly ...

Mary

How about a steam radio? Don't they ever have doorbells in radio drama - or
even in soaps, like the Archers?
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"Set Square" wrote in message
...
In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
Mary Fisher wrote:


You don't have to look at all. I got tired of answering the front
door to "ding-dong" bells which were on the TV, so I opened ours up
and switched the chimes round. Then it went "dong-ding" instead.

We don't have a telly ...

Mary

How about a steam radio? Don't they ever have doorbells in radio drama -
or
even in soaps, like the Archers?

Steam? there's posh.

Ours run on crystals :-)

We have wall-to-wall Radio4/World Service 24/7 but I can't remember hearing
door bells even on the Archers. Spouse is always confused when he hears a
telephone on radio and rushes to the nearest handset (one in every room)
whereas I always know that it's broadcast. The phones are nowhere near the
radios and the noise is directional. No wrap-round sound for us :-) Come to
that, there are no radios near the front or back doors either.

Mary

In article ,
Owain wrote:
Yes. I wonder why all doorbells and ding dongs are tuned the same?

Probably because the BBC Sound Effects department buy their doorbells
from the same place we do.

For the now shortly to be 'pulled' Family Affairs, I built them a bell box
as was common on 'live' days. Ie, a box with front door bells in it that
would be used in the studio to save on dubbing time. And would have liked
several different sounding ones. But couldn't find them. Just a bell, a
ding dong and a Maplin chime.

Built them a telephone ringer as well... Now at least they do sound
different.

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Dave Plowman London SW
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On 24 Aug 2005 20:09:20 GMT, (Huge) wrote:

Owain writes:

[23 lines snipped]

It always used to annoy me when TV dubbed a Statesman ring when a
Viscount phone was in vision (etc)

And I thought *I* was a geek. )


Only if you've been trainspotting, Huge :-)



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chris French wrote:

I suspect that the posters to uk.d-i-y are not a representative cross
section of the house buying population in this respect. It's not
necessarily about being taken in by ploys though. I think many people
want house which they feel they can move into and not have to do much
to it unless they want to.

Most people have to commit very large portion of their income to buy a
house (and can no longer be so sure inflation will wipe out most of the
mortgage debt). So doing up a place while living comfortably elsewhere
is not an option for most, having a spare room to move the junk into at
best. So not suprising that making a house clean and tidy and bland
helps sell. But doing anything more, but for your own benefit, is just
a sunk cost.

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In article ,
Owain wrote:
For the now shortly to be 'pulled' Family Affairs, I built them a bell box
as was common on 'live' days. Ie, a box with front door bells in it that
would be used in the studio to save on dubbing time.

If it was dubbed on, wouldn't it have a different reverberation
characteristic from the studio sound?

You add reverb if necessary at the dub. Most decent sound FX are recorded
tight and clean so you can 'muddy' them to match.

But doing it in the studio is much better since it also gives the artists
their cue.

And would have liked several different sounding ones. But couldn't
find them. Just a bell, a ding dong and a Maplin chime.

Built them a telephone ringer as well... Now at least they do sound
different.

They shouldn't do, in fact proper Converters Ringing are readily
available, I got mine from J Bull but they come up on Ebay.

Sorry, I meant phones often sound different. So ringing them for real in
the studio makes more sense than even doorbells.

It always used to annoy me when TV dubbed a Statesman ring when a
Viscount phone was in vision (etc)

Yup. Same with cars. But keeping sound FX up to date for where they're not
supplied 'live' or as a wild track is extremely costly.

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On 24 Aug,
wrote:


We found out that our neighbours and us had both looked at the same
house that had been on the market for a while and had not been touched
since it was built in the early 70's (Green bathroom suites, Crystal
"texture vein" tiles throughout, etc). Their reaction was "it needs
£1000's spending on it". Our reaction was "it's a bargain".


It sounds like our bathroom. Is it time to upgrade yet?

There's no law against keeping green bathroom suites.

:-(

There should have been a law against their introduction...

Mary

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"Owain" wrote in message
...

It always used to annoy me when TV dubbed a Statesman ring when a Viscount
phone was in vision (etc)

What ARE you talking about???

Mary

Owain

"DJC" wrote in message
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chris French wrote:

I suspect that the posters to uk.d-i-y are not a representative cross
section of the house buying population in this respect. It's not
necessarily about being taken in by ploys though. I think many people
want house which they feel they can move into and not have to do much to
it unless they want to.

Most people have to commit very large portion of their income to buy a
house (and can no longer be so sure inflation will wipe out most of the
mortgage debt). So doing up a place while living comfortably elsewhere

Why live elsewherewhile doing up a house?

We (two parents, three children under 3yo) lived in this house while making
the plumbing stop leaking so that we could have a fire (in December) and
sorting out the neglected electrics (OK, before part P) and gas supply.

is not an option for most, having a spare room to move the junk into at
best.

Those people have too many possessions. And aspirations.

So not suprising that making a house clean and tidy and bland helps
sell. But doing anything more, but for your own benefit, is just a sunk
cost.

I don't understand that last sentence.

Mary

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"Owain" wrote in message
...
wrote:
We found out that our neighbours and us had both looked at the same
house that had been on the market for a while and had not been touched
since it was built in the early 70's (Green bathroom suites, Crystal
"texture vein" tiles throughout, etc). Their reaction was "it needs
£1000's spending on it". Our reaction was "it's a bargain".
It sounds like our bathroom. Is it time to upgrade yet?

I hear whispers that coloured suites are starting to come back into
fashion.

Heigh ho! The Fishers will be unfashionable AGAIN!

Mary

Owain

In article , Dave Plowman (News)
wrote:

I can imagine someone doing up a place to rent out to want it to look
good, but surely most buying somewhere would prefer the cheapest possible
price and then redecorate, etc, to choice?

Most people are lazy. They want to move straight into a house and be able to
live with it for long enough to decide how to redecorate.

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In article , Dave Plowman (News)
wrote:

Problem with modern ding dongs is they're just too quiet. My parents had a
50s one with 3 ft long tubes - now that was ok. More tubular bells than
ding dong.


My old gran had something similar. She also kept a Billy goat and a baby
sheep. So she had a ram a lamb a dingdong. :-)


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In article ,
Mary Fisher wrote:
It always used to annoy me when TV dubbed a Statesman ring when a
Viscount phone was in vision (etc)

What ARE you talking about???

Telephones don't all have the same ring.

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