On 7/20/2011 7:56 PM, pyotr filipivich wrote:
I got this in the Email:

Manufacturing Job Fair

Come meet companies with job openings
· Bring your resume
· Dress professionally
· Prepare to interview

Great, cool, groovy. But what does it mean "dress professionally"?
Dress like when I go to report for work? As I do when I've had the
job a while?

Or dress like I'm going to talk to an HR drone who doesn't realize
that manufacturing jobs aren't management, or service, or white collar
- but blue collar? That we don't manage production, but "make
stuff"?

fnord.

I'll wear something clean, w/o holes, and probably not the BDUs I wear
everywhere else but to job interviews.


--
pyotr filipivich.
Discussing the decline in the US's tech edge, James Niccol once wrote
"It used to be that the USA was pretty good at producing stuff teenaged
boys could lose a finger or two playing with."

I won't consider an applicant if:
-Smells bad
-Dirty clothes
-Unkept appearance
-Pants below the waist
-Drunk or high
-Slouching or other disrespectful body language

THEN I look at general and specific skills, work record and education.
Then I'll do a background check and a drug test. Then the applicant
will be interviewed by the workcell manager.

On Thu, 21 Jul 2011 15:55:41 -0400, Tom Gardner mars@tacks wrote:

On 7/20/2011 7:56 PM, pyotr filipivich wrote:
I got this in the Email:

Manufacturing Job Fair

Come meet companies with job openings
· Bring your resume
· Dress professionally
· Prepare to interview

Great, cool, groovy. But what does it mean "dress professionally"?
Dress like when I go to report for work? As I do when I've had the
job a while?

Or dress like I'm going to talk to an HR drone who doesn't realize
that manufacturing jobs aren't management, or service, or white collar
- but blue collar? That we don't manage production, but "make
stuff"?

fnord.

I'll wear something clean, w/o holes, and probably not the BDUs I wear
everywhere else but to job interviews.


--
pyotr filipivich.
Discussing the decline in the US's tech edge, James Niccol once wrote
"It used to be that the USA was pretty good at producing stuff teenaged
boys could lose a finger or two playing with."

I won't consider an applicant if:
-Smells bad
-Dirty clothes
-Unkept appearance
-Pants below the waist
-Drunk or high
-Slouching or other disrespectful body language

I would suggest NOT advertising being a smoker if that's applicable.

THEN I look at general and specific skills, work record and education.
Then I'll do a background check and a drug test. Then the applicant
will be interviewed by the workcell manager.

Tom Gardner wrote:

I won't consider an applicant if:
-Smells bad
-Dirty clothes
-Unkept appearance
-Pants below the waist
-Drunk or high
-Slouching or other disrespectful body language

THEN I look at general and specific skills, work record and education.
Then I'll do a background check and a drug test. Then the applicant
will be interviewed by the workcell manager.


Would you pass those requirements, today?


I used to service electroincs in schools, and it was impossible to
find qualified help that met any reasonable requirements.


--
It's easy to think outside the box, when you have a cutting torch.

Spehro Pefhany wrote:
On Thu, 21 Jul 2011 15:55:41 -0400, Tom Gardner mars@tacks wrote:
On 7/20/2011 7:56 PM, pyotr filipivich wrote:
I got this in the Email:

Manufacturing Job Fair

Come meet companies with job openings
· Bring your resume
· Dress professionally
· Prepare to interview

Great, cool, groovy. But what does it mean "dress professionally"?
Dress like when I go to report for work? As I do when I've had the
job a while?

Or dress like I'm going to talk to an HR drone who doesn't realize
that manufacturing jobs aren't management, or service, or white collar
- but blue collar? That we don't manage production, but "make
stuff"?

I'll wear something clean, w/o holes, and probably not the BDUs I wear
everywhere else but to job interviews.

Discussing the decline in the US's tech edge, James Niccol once wrote
"It used to be that the USA was pretty good at producing stuff teenaged
boys could lose a finger or two playing with."

I won't consider an applicant if:
-Smells bad
-Dirty clothes
-Unkept appearance
-Pants below the waist
-Drunk or high
-Slouching or other disrespectful body language

I would suggest NOT advertising being a smoker if that's applicable.

I got lucky in this respect - the boss is also a smoker. :-)

Cheers!
Rich

On 7/21/2011 8:11 PM, Michael A. Terrell wrote:

Tom Gardner wrote:

I won't consider an applicant if:
-Smells bad
-Dirty clothes
-Unkept appearance
-Pants below the waist
-Drunk or high
-Slouching or other disrespectful body language

THEN I look at general and specific skills, work record and education.
Then I'll do a background check and a drug test. Then the applicant
will be interviewed by the workcell manager.


Would you pass those requirements, today?


I used to service electroincs in schools, and it was impossible to
find qualified help that met any reasonable requirements.



Well, I do like to wear my pants down below my ass!

I did have a couple of young guys that did wear their pants down. It's
a safety issue and nobody wants to see their underwear. I told them
that if I ever saw that again on my property that they would be fired.
Both soon quit anyway, they didn't like getting to work at 7:00 AM.
You'd think it would be easy to get a job with a little "common" sense.

Tom Gardner mars@tacks wrote:

I won't consider an applicant if:
-Smells bad
-Dirty clothes
-Unkept appearance
-Pants below the waist
-Drunk or high
-Slouching or other disrespectful body language


How about....

-Takes a call during the interview

No, he didn't get the job.

Wes

On 2011-07-22, Tom Gardner mars@tacks wrote:
On 7/21/2011 8:11 PM, Michael A. Terrell wrote:

Tom Gardner wrote:

I won't consider an applicant if:
-Smells bad
-Dirty clothes
-Unkept appearance
-Pants below the waist
-Drunk or high
-Slouching or other disrespectful body language

THEN I look at general and specific skills, work record and education.
Then I'll do a background check and a drug test. Then the applicant
will be interviewed by the workcell manager.


Would you pass those requirements, today?


I used to service electroincs in schools, and it was impossible to
find qualified help that met any reasonable requirements.



Well, I do like to wear my pants down below my ass!

I did have a couple of young guys that did wear their pants down. It's
a safety issue and nobody wants to see their underwear. I told them
that if I ever saw that again on my property that they would be fired.
Both soon quit anyway, they didn't like getting to work at 7:00 AM.
You'd think it would be easy to get a job with a little "common" sense.


If there is one thing that I hate, it is waking up early and going to work.

i

On Fri, 22 Jul 2011 06:44:03 -0500, Ignoramus29156
wrote:

On 2011-07-22, Tom Gardner mars@tacks wrote:
On 7/21/2011 8:11 PM, Michael A. Terrell wrote:

Tom Gardner wrote:

I won't consider an applicant if:
-Smells bad
-Dirty clothes
-Unkept appearance
-Pants below the waist
-Drunk or high
-Slouching or other disrespectful body language

THEN I look at general and specific skills, work record and education.
Then I'll do a background check and a drug test. Then the applicant
will be interviewed by the workcell manager.


Would you pass those requirements, today?


I used to service electroincs in schools, and it was impossible to
find qualified help that met any reasonable requirements.



Well, I do like to wear my pants down below my ass!

I did have a couple of young guys that did wear their pants down. It's
a safety issue and nobody wants to see their underwear. I told them
that if I ever saw that again on my property that they would be fired.
Both soon quit anyway, they didn't like getting to work at 7:00 AM.
You'd think it would be easy to get a job with a little "common" sense.


If there is one thing that I hate, it is waking up early and going to work.

In -an- office, yes. The daily grind tends to suck, and rush hours are
the truly sucky!

In my own home office or shop or outside/onsite, I love working
whenever, at my own pace without a gruesome and clueless micro-manager
staring over my shoulder.

I'll start at 7am today, then work until noonish, whenever it gets too
hot. When I have web work, I usually start at 4am, when I get up and
am at my freshest.

--
Always bear in mind that your own resolution to
succeed is more important than any one thing.
-- Abraham Lincoln

On 7/22/2011 7:44 AM, Ignoramus29156 wrote:


If there is one thing that I hate, it is waking up early and going to work.

i

Some of the guys are coming in at 5:00 AM in this heat. Everybody else
in starting at 6:00 AM, they asked and it's fine by me. Flex-time helps
everybody, the machines run longer per day without overtime.

On 7/22/2011 5:26 AM, Wes wrote:
Tom Gardnermars@tacks wrote:

I won't consider an applicant if:
-Smells bad
-Dirty clothes
-Unkept appearance
-Pants below the waist
-Drunk or high
-Slouching or other disrespectful body language


How about....

-Takes a call during the interview

No, he didn't get the job.

Wes

I could understand forgetting to turn off his cell but to TAKE the
call??? Nope, that's a deal killer.

On Fri, 22 Jul 2011 09:56:55 -0400, Tom Gardner mars@tacks wrote:

On 7/22/2011 5:26 AM, Wes wrote:
Tom Gardnermars@tacks wrote:

I won't consider an applicant if:
-Smells bad
-Dirty clothes
-Unkept appearance
-Pants below the waist
-Drunk or high
-Slouching or other disrespectful body language


How about....

-Takes a call during the interview

No, he didn't get the job.

Wes

I could understand forgetting to turn off his cell but to TAKE the
call??? Nope, that's a deal killer.

Well, without explanation anyway. If an otherwise okay person took a
call because his kid or wife was in trouble, I'd not think less of him
or her. Just because I'm (potentially) their boss, I don't expect them
to forsake all others...

On 2011-07-22, Tom Gardner mars@tacks wrote:
On 7/22/2011 5:26 AM, Wes wrote:
Tom Gardnermars@tacks wrote:

I won't consider an applicant if:
-Smells bad
-Dirty clothes
-Unkept appearance
-Pants below the waist
-Drunk or high
-Slouching or other disrespectful body language


How about....

-Takes a call during the interview

No, he didn't get the job.

Wes

I could understand forgetting to turn off his cell but to TAKE the
call??? Nope, that's a deal killer.

It would not be a deal killer to me, if the interviewee picked the
phone and politely said that he or she is not able to talk.

i

Tom Gardner wrote:

On 7/21/2011 8:11 PM, Michael A. Terrell wrote:

Tom Gardner wrote:

I won't consider an applicant if:
-Smells bad
-Dirty clothes
-Unkept appearance
-Pants below the waist
-Drunk or high
-Slouching or other disrespectful body language

THEN I look at general and specific skills, work record and education.
Then I'll do a background check and a drug test. Then the applicant
will be interviewed by the workcell manager.


Would you pass those requirements, today?


I used to service electroincs in schools, and it was impossible to
find qualified help that met any reasonable requirements.



Well, I do like to wear my pants down below my ass!


PERVERT!!! ;-)


I did have a couple of young guys that did wear their pants down. It's
a safety issue and nobody wants to see their underwear. I told them
that if I ever saw that again on my property that they would be fired.
Both soon quit anyway, they didn't like getting to work at 7:00 AM.
You'd think it would be easy to get a job with a little "common" sense.


Unfortunately, common sense isn't common.

I agree about the safety hazard of sloppy clothing.


--
It's easy to think outside the box, when you have a cutting torch.

Wes wrote:

Tom Gardner mars@tacks wrote:

I won't consider an applicant if:
-Smells bad
-Dirty clothes
-Unkept appearance
-Pants below the waist
-Drunk or high
-Slouching or other disrespectful body language

How about....

-Takes a call during the interview

No, he didn't get the job.

Wes


Or the guy that brough a six pack of beer to an interview?


--
It's easy to think outside the box, when you have a cutting torch.

On Fri, 22 Jul 2011 13:00:44 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:


Wes wrote:

Tom Gardner mars@tacks wrote:

I won't consider an applicant if:
-Smells bad
-Dirty clothes
-Unkept appearance
-Pants below the waist
-Drunk or high
-Slouching or other disrespectful body language

How about....

-Takes a call during the interview

No, he didn't get the job.

Wes


Or the guy that brough a six pack of beer to an interview?

As a modest bribe, or to guzzle during the interview? Anything up to a
bottle of 18-year-old single-malt might be okay.

Ignoramus29156 on Fri, 22 Jul
2011 06:44:03 -0500 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:

Well, I do like to wear my pants down below my ass!

I did have a couple of young guys that did wear their pants down. It's
a safety issue and nobody wants to see their underwear. I told them
that if I ever saw that again on my property that they would be fired.
Both soon quit anyway, they didn't like getting to work at 7:00 AM.
You'd think it would be easy to get a job with a little "common" sense.


If there is one thing that I hate, it is waking up early and going to work.

I'll tell you what is worse: being out of work. I mean, you wake
up and 'bang' - you're not on the job. And it is like that all day -
no breaks! Then you do not know when you are done for the day, so
that you can relax and rest up for the next day!

--
pyotr filipivich
We will drink no whiskey before its nine.
It's eight fifty eight. Close enough!

Spehro Pefhany wrote:

On Fri, 22 Jul 2011 13:00:44 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:


Wes wrote:

Tom Gardner mars@tacks wrote:

I won't consider an applicant if:
-Smells bad
-Dirty clothes
-Unkept appearance
-Pants below the waist
-Drunk or high
-Slouching or other disrespectful body language

How about....

-Takes a call during the interview

No, he didn't get the job.

Wes


Or the guy that brough a six pack of beer to an interview?

As a modest bribe, or to guzzle during the interview? Anything up to a
bottle of 18-year-old single-malt might be okay.


The news story said he offered the boss one, and was told to leave
the building, that he was no longer being considered for employment.


--
It's easy to think outside the box, when you have a cutting torch.

On 2011-07-22, pyotr filipivich wrote:
Ignoramus29156 on Fri, 22 Jul
2011 06:44:03 -0500 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:

Well, I do like to wear my pants down below my ass!

I did have a couple of young guys that did wear their pants down. It's
a safety issue and nobody wants to see their underwear. I told them
that if I ever saw that again on my property that they would be fired.
Both soon quit anyway, they didn't like getting to work at 7:00 AM.
You'd think it would be easy to get a job with a little "common" sense.


If there is one thing that I hate, it is waking up early and going to work.

I'll tell you what is worse: being out of work. I mean, you wake
up and 'bang' - you're not on the job. And it is like that all day -
no breaks! Then you do not know when you are done for the day, so
that you can relax and rest up for the next day!


Good point.

If you really are unemployed, try going to surplus auctions.

i

On Fri, 22 Jul 2011 09:54:58 -0400, Tom Gardner mars@tacks wrote:

On 7/22/2011 7:44 AM, Ignoramus29156 wrote:


If there is one thing that I hate, it is waking up early and going to work.

i

Some of the guys are coming in at 5:00 AM in this heat. Everybody else
in starting at 6:00 AM, they asked and it's fine by me. Flex-time helps
everybody, the machines run longer per day without overtime.

What? You run a union shop and they don't mandate A/C everywhere?
Amazing!

--
Always bear in mind that your own resolution to
succeed is more important than any one thing.
-- Abraham Lincoln

On Fri, 22 Jul 2011 09:54:58 -0400, Tom Gardner mars@tacks wrote:

On 7/22/2011 7:44 AM, Ignoramus29156 wrote:


If there is one thing that I hate, it is waking up early and going to work.

i

Some of the guys are coming in at 5:00 AM in this heat. Everybody else
in starting at 6:00 AM, they asked and it's fine by me. Flex-time helps
everybody, the machines run longer per day without overtime.


I much prefer going in at 5-7pm and working 8-10 hours from that point.

but then..Im nocturnal by nature.

Gunner

--
Maxim 12: A soft answer turneth away wrath.
Once wrath is looking the other way, shoot it in the head.

On Fri, 22 Jul 2011 13:00:44 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:


Wes wrote:

Tom Gardner mars@tacks wrote:

I won't consider an applicant if:
-Smells bad
-Dirty clothes
-Unkept appearance
-Pants below the waist
-Drunk or high
-Slouching or other disrespectful body language

How about....

-Takes a call during the interview

No, he didn't get the job.

Wes


Or the guy that brough a six pack of beer to an interview?

I actually had one of those about 20 yrs ago.

I pondered a moment about hiring him for the head honchos driver..then
passed on him. But I did think really really hard about it.


Shrug


--
Maxim 12: A soft answer turneth away wrath.
Once wrath is looking the other way, shoot it in the head.

Gunner Asch wrote:

On Fri, 22 Jul 2011 13:00:44 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:


Wes wrote:

Tom Gardner mars@tacks wrote:

I won't consider an applicant if:
-Smells bad
-Dirty clothes
-Unkept appearance
-Pants below the waist
-Drunk or high
-Slouching or other disrespectful body language

How about....

-Takes a call during the interview

No, he didn't get the job.

Wes


Or the guy that brough a six pack of beer to an interview?

I actually had one of those about 20 yrs ago.

I pondered a moment about hiring him for the head honchos driver..then
passed on him. But I did think really really hard about it.


From what I read, it was a tech job where he would work at customer
sites that the guy was applying for. Totally inappropriate.


--
It's easy to think outside the box, when you have a cutting torch.

Gunner Asch on Fri, 22 Jul 2011 21:28:37 -0700
typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
On Fri, 22 Jul 2011 09:54:58 -0400, Tom Gardner mars@tacks wrote:

On 7/22/2011 7:44 AM, Ignoramus29156 wrote:
If there is one thing that I hate, it is waking up early and going to work.

i

Some of the guys are coming in at 5:00 AM in this heat. Everybody else
in starting at 6:00 AM, they asked and it's fine by me. Flex-time helps
everybody, the machines run longer per day without overtime.


I much prefer going in at 5-7pm and working 8-10 hours from that point.

So did I. But in the summer, you miss all the dark.

In the winter, I'd only see the sun the ten minutes it took to get
to work. Selah.

but then..Im nocturnal by nature.

Nice thing about second or third shift - fewer suits around.

Gunner
--
pyotr filipivich
We will drink no whiskey before its nine.
It's eight fifty eight. Close enough!

Tom Gardner mars@tacks on Fri, 22 Jul 2011 04:12:26 -0400 typed in
rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
On 7/21/2011 8:11 PM, Michael A. Terrell wrote:

Tom Gardner wrote:

I used to service electroincs in schools, and it was impossible to
find qualified help that met any reasonable requirements.



Well, I do like to wear my pants down below my ass!

Only time I did that, was at my SO's. Right after I arrived. Just
loosen the belt, and the pants would do the rest. "Why yes, I am
happy to see you!"

I did have a couple of young guys that did wear their pants down. It's
a safety issue and nobody wants to see their underwear. I told them
that if I ever saw that again on my property that they would be fired.
Both soon quit anyway, they didn't like getting to work at 7:00 AM.
You'd think it would be easy to get a job with a little "common" sense.

I think it is called "common sense" because it is so rare.
--
pyotr filipivich
We will drink no whiskey before its nine.
It's eight fifty eight. Close enough!

On Mon, 25 Jul 2011 17:10:59 -0700, pyotr filipivich
wrote:

Gunner Asch on Fri, 22 Jul 2011 21:28:37 -0700
typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
On Fri, 22 Jul 2011 09:54:58 -0400, Tom Gardner mars@tacks wrote:

On 7/22/2011 7:44 AM, Ignoramus29156 wrote:
If there is one thing that I hate, it is waking up early and going to work.

i

Some of the guys are coming in at 5:00 AM in this heat. Everybody else
in starting at 6:00 AM, they asked and it's fine by me. Flex-time helps
everybody, the machines run longer per day without overtime.


I much prefer going in at 5-7pm and working 8-10 hours from that point.

So did I. But in the summer, you miss all the dark.

Not in California. G


In the winter, I'd only see the sun the ten minutes it took to get
to work. Selah.

but then..Im nocturnal by nature.

Nice thing about second or third shift - fewer suits around.

Ayup.

Makes servicing machines in clients shops easier too, when there isnt
all the gawkers floating around.



Gunner

--
Maxim 12: A soft answer turneth away wrath.
Once wrath is looking the other way, shoot it in the head.

On Jul 22, 1:12*am, Tom Gardner mars@tacks wrote:

Both soon quit anyway, they didn't like getting to work at 7:00 AM.
You'd think it would be easy to get a job with a little "common" sense.

I wouldn't like getting to work at 7:00 AM either. I prefer an
earlier start time. Actually my shift doesn't start until 5:30, but
I'm at work forty five minutes early.

Gunner Asch on Tue, 26 Jul 2011 00:07:24 -0700
typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
On Mon, 25 Jul 2011 17:10:59 -0700, pyotr filipivich
wrote:

Gunner Asch on Fri, 22 Jul 2011 21:28:37 -0700
typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
On Fri, 22 Jul 2011 09:54:58 -0400, Tom Gardner mars@tacks wrote:

On 7/22/2011 7:44 AM, Ignoramus29156 wrote:
If there is one thing that I hate, it is waking up early and going to work.

i

Some of the guys are coming in at 5:00 AM in this heat. Everybody else
in starting at 6:00 AM, they asked and it's fine by me. Flex-time helps
everybody, the machines run longer per day without overtime.


I much prefer going in at 5-7pm and working 8-10 hours from that point.

So did I. But in the summer, you miss all the dark.

Not in California. G

That's right, you got long nights down there.


In the winter, I'd only see the sun the ten minutes it took to get
to work. Selah.

but then..Im nocturnal by nature.

Nice thing about second or third shift - fewer suits around.

Ayup.

Makes servicing machines in clients shops easier too, when there isnt
all the gawkers floating around.

--
pyotr filipivich
We will drink no whiskey before its nine.
It's eight fifty eight. Close enough!